No one is worried about “hate speech” against Judaism and Christianity. This is all about Islam. A law criminalizing “hate speech” against religion will almost certainly be used to silence all criticism of Islam, including even simple opposition to jihad violence and Sharia oppression. After all, such opposition has been smeared as “hate speech” by jihad sympathizers and jihad enablers for years.
More on this story. “NZ Election 2020: Labour wouldn’t stop with just religion in hate speech crackdown,” by Tova O’Brien, Newshub, September 24, 2020:
Labour leader Jacinda Ardern has promised a crackdown on hate speech if two things happen: one, if she’s re-elected Prime Minister and two, if she can avoid governing with New Zealand First.
The policy announcement wasn’t planned, but after a visit to Christchurch’s Al Noor mosque on Thursday, the Imam there called for the Government to step in on hate speech to prevent another attack like March 15.
Ardern returned to Al Noor mosque to finally unveil a memorial plaque, after the last two attempts were curtailed by COVID-19 restrictions. Survivors of the March 15 attacks and their families couldn’t have been more thrilled to see her.
Taking the opportunity to push for change, the Imam Gamal Fouda expressed how he wanted to prevent another attack.
“Freedom of speech becomes hate speech,” he said at the unveiling. “Hate turns into hate crime as we have seen at the 15th of March.”
There’s no specific hate speech law in New Zealand. The Human Rights Act covers it, but only on the grounds of colour, race or ethnicity – not religion. Fouda wants to see a new law differentiating between hate speech and free speech.
“I’d like to see a new law in New Zealand and I think New Zealand has seen a lot and we went through a lot. The blood of those people shouldn’t be forgotten,” he said.
Labour had promised change this term but failed, but on Thursday renewed its pledge to make it happen.
“We haven’t been able to deliver that last term but my intention would be, if we’re able to form Government, that we would,” Ardern said.
“Religion hasn’t been included in that, my view is that does need to change and that would be our plan if we were privileged enough to form Government again.”…
Abu Ha'emet says
So much for free speech in New Zealand. There is something profoundly tragic when a democracy self-destructs when confronted by the islamic death cult.
curious george says
Jacinda Ardern is a typical airhead leftist and it appears that she has been carefully indoctrinated and is now another useful idiot of the “global elite.”
In 2007 she was elected president of the International Union of Socialist Youth (IUSY), a position that took her to destinations such as Algeria, China, India, Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jacinda-Ardern
Sadly, the Red/Green Alliance is winning the culture war.
“Socialists must explain to the masses that they have no other road of salvation except the revolutionary overthrow of their government.”
– Vladimir Lenin (1870-1924)
Rob says
Ms Ardern has her eyes on a top post with the UN under the guidance of her predecessor Helen Clark. She and HC know that to get such an appointment she will need the support of China and the Islamic bloc.
Accordingly she is now burnishing her credentials at the expense of NZ’s foreign and domestic policy. She also said post Christchurch, that the intelligence services are ‘looking in the wrong direction’ i.e. towards Islamic violence. During the trial of the Christchurch perp, the Manchester bombing trial was proceeding almost in tandem. The NZ media ran nothing on Manchester the entire time in order to bolster the White Supremicist narrative.
tim gallagher says
Good comment, Abu Ha’emet. I also find this process which is going on in our western countries where islam is given so much undeserved respect, profoundly tragic. I would also call it profoundly stupid. We have developed decent, civilised, democratic life styles and, as you say, Islam, this vile, evil “death cult” is being protected and respected, none of which this barbaric load of crap deserves. I agree with you, curious george, Ardern is indeed a “typical airhead leftist”. Unfortunately, there are so many of these fuckwits, at least when it comes to their respectful attitude to islam, around.
Jack Callcott AU says
One problem with both Australia and NZ is that neither country has a constitutional guarantee of free speech.
BegrensEuropa! says
The idea of Jacinda Ardern is fine on condition that the law will also apply to all texts in the Koran and other main islamic sources that by the criteria of every normal reasoning adult must be considered “hate speech” against Judaism, Christianity and other forms of polytheism (such as Hinduism) or atheism (such as Buddhism).
Phil says
Sir, Christianity is not a polytheist religion. Neither is Judaism. They are Monotheist. Atheism is a religion in itself as it fits the definition of such:
According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
However, I do agree with your statement in general.
Politicallyincorrectistruth says
Oxford Dictionaries defines religion as the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. This is the standard definition of religion….a belief in a invisible sky daddy, without a thread of evidence. Atheism is nothing like a religion. Atheism, is not accepting the theists claim that there is a “god”. Does a catholic believe that allah is the one true “god”? No? Why not?
There are 21 terrorist organizations listed on the New Zealand gov website and 17 are islamic jihad terrorist organizations….not buddhist or jewish or amish or janes or right wing. Bringing in hate speech laws will mean that even criticism of islamic jihadists will no longer be allowed. Being put on a terrorist list could be considered hate speech.Brenton tarrant is on the list, but he is not a terrorist organization….so he should not be on it.
Australia has 27 terrorist orgs on it’s list and every single one is islamic jihad terrorists.
NZ has 17..AUS has 27…what the hell is going on here?? Seems like New Zealand has a soft spot for islamic terrorists. Maybe they should let more in and see how that turns out…
Richardw says
Atheism doesn’t fit that description. Atheism is the absence of a belief.
BegrensEuropa! says
Sorry, you are right. Slip of the pen. Judaism is most definitely not polytheism. Christianity has the concept of trinitarianism, according to which God exists as three persons but is one being. Instead of “other forms” I should have written “certain forms”.
Bikinis not Burkas says
Thank you for saving me the time, I was going to list the main passages of HATE speech in the QURAN!
Quran 5:51, 3:28 and 8:12 just to name a few.
mortimer says
To the ban the criticism of religions would make most speech illegal in the end and a good supreme court would overturn such a ban, because 1) you must have an official definition of BLASPHEMY 2) for there to be a definition of ‘blasphemy’, you need an OFFICIAL ESTABLISHED RELIGION 3) there must be a religious authority to define blasphemy so the court may act on it. New Zealand has none of those in place.
What naïve politicians do not understand about banning criticism of Islam, is that they are making Islam the DE FACTO ESTABLISHED RELIGION OF THEIR STATE WHICH MEANS IT EVERYONE MUST PAY HOMAGE TO ITS SUPERIORITY.
The RCC may be criticized, Hinduism may be criticized, atheism may be criticized and Marxism may be criticized. Islam is at once a political ideology and a religious cult. As with other ideology or cult (by the shoe-on-the-other-foot principle) ISLAM MAY BE CRITICIZED IN THE SAME MANNER as we criticize those ideologies and cults.
There is no legal way around permitting the criticism of Islam short of declaring New Zealand an Islamic republic.
Westman says
Simply wearing a hijab will be taken by the Muslim leaders as submitting to Islam. They are likely stone-faced without and grinning inwardly at her weakness. Her willingness to do this in a free, minimally religious, small nation smacks of desperation against a shifting tide to secure votes.
I spent some time in New Zealand in the 1960s and never met a more independently-minded people(sans Austrailians). Jacinda Ardern does not represent the citizens I knew who would never accept any religion-driven laws to control their speech.
Ron Bunting says
you are quite right, Adrern doesn’t represent anyone. She was gifted the premiership by Winton Peters.
The Tarrent atrocity played right into her and Peters hands, her next step was to censor all debate in the press regarding her ineptitude . Now she is binging in Sharia law. The love of money has never before plunged NZ into the abyss of tyranny as the rattle of the thirty pieces of oil soaked silver crosses her palm .
Bikinis not Burkas says
Muhammad said women are deficient of intelligence!
https://muflihun.com/bukhari/6/301
Pull on an Islamic head dress raise your hand and scream “Look at me, look at me, I agree with Muhammad, I am STUPID!”
Istvan Vogel says
I guess it all hinges on the definition itself of “hate speech”. For example, is it “hate speech” to say that pork is not a kosher meat? Or is it “hate speech” to say that “God” says all homosexuals should be killed or executed? If it is, then the Koran will become a banned publication in New Zealand.
mortimer says
The Koran is filled with ‘hate speech’ directed towards the DIRTY KUFAAR. Under a strict ‘hate speech’ law, the Koran could not be quoted and copies of it would have to be confiscated and removed entirely from circulation in the manner that Saudi Arabia confiscates any Bibles found within their country.
underbed cat says
Vogel I hope you are correct, that the New Zealand leaders have knowledge, were not gullible to deception to see the problem hopefully she does not get re-elected…..save yourself grief and save your culture and country. If not hate speech laws of sharia will silence the danger.
mortimer says
correction: “To BAN the criticism of religions … ”
addenda: U.S. law values and permits the right to blaspheme.
-Justice Clark in 1952 wrote: “[I]t is enough to point out that the state has no legitimate interest in protecting any or all religions from views distasteful to them. … It is not the business of government in our nation to suppress real or imagined attacks upon a particular religious doctrine.”
-Justice Frankfurter noted that beliefs “ … dear to one may seem the rankest ‘sacrilege’ to another,” and added concerning “sacrilegious” speech: “[H]istory does not encourage reliance on the wisdom and moderation of the censor.”
Jaladhi says
She is Islam promoter – can she be re-elected? It’s not her job to promote one religion over the other!
mortimer says
precisely … not the job of a modern political party to prevent ideas that are distasteful to one group of people. We would soon be afraid to make any comment about anything.
Europeans fought bloody wars for the right to say what they think, even to criticize the power and authority of the Holy Roman Empire and its official dogmas.
We cannot turn back the clock to the 7th century.
Jaladhi says
Unfortunately, its non-Muslims who are turning the clock back to 7th century intimidated by Muslims.
FYI says
To criminalize criticism of islam is to interfere with free speech and is itself criminal and so are any treasonous politicians who facilitate that.
Not surprising it is ‘Labour’:lefties are the best friends of islam in that Red-Green axis.
Political islam needs this ‘hate speech’ trick to faciltate the agenda of Religious islam.
And the morally bankrupt Lefties and Treasonous politicians are happy to assist them.
{Notice who is behind this ‘hate speech’ campaign and see if you can spot the muslims…}
Politicians who stifle free speech or who pander to the muslims are Criminals because they are enabling tyranny.At the very least ,they are criminally negligent.
No religion should ever be exempt from criticism:muslims want an exemption for their cult.
They should not be allowed any special status.
Ex-muslims,non-muslims,atheists ,agnostics etc can be silenced for being critical of islam.
This is intolerable.
Politicians{..and they are usually Lefties..}who introduce ‘hate speech’ rules are Treasonous crooks and liars.
Bikinis not Burkas says
Please do not refer to Islam as a religion as it is just a MURDEROUS IDEOLOGY.
gravenimage says
Islam is a murderous ideology *and* an evil religion.
Walter Sieruk says
This prime minister of New Zealand who has committed herself to having critizem of Islam a criminal affront exposes many terrible things.
Such as the arrogant gall her and other stealth jihadists to even try to impose and force ,any part, of Sharia Law on a Western nation.
The ways of the West are not the cruel ways of the Islamic East with its brutal and oppressive Sharia law. Muslims living in a Western country should recognize this reality or leave theWest and go live in a Islamic country where they can feel “at home.”
Furthermore that Muslim politician and stealth jihadist who wants the criminalize criticism of Islam in New Zealand is actually exposing the fragile and weak nature of Islam .So much so that if Islam is criticized it will collapse like a “house cards” . Since Islam terribly lack a foundation of reason and logic and is only based on emotions and feeling many Muslims thus deem the criminalization of the criticism of Islam both important and necessary.
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Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
(Oh my gosh, look how dhimmified she looks in the above photo!)
“Freedom of speech becomes hate speech,”~Gamal Fouda
No, that’s a false statement; there’s nothing inherently “hateful” about free speech. It’s just a non sequitur, like saying, “automobiles become drunken driving,” or that “guns become murder.” It never bothers these taqiya liars to embarrass themselves with ridiculous statements like this. And then Gamal Fouda adds the following,
“Hate turns into hate crime as we have seen at the 15th of March.”
Actually, that’s undoubtedly true sometimes, hate can morph into hate crimes. And let me offer an even greater truth: hate taught as religious truth will be an even greater catalyst for hate crimes, as nothing inspires conviction like religion. And that explains why there is so much violence done for the sake of islam, because the political aspirations within islam are built upon bigoted hate toward “unbelievers.” It’s the hate in islam, taught as divine truth to the muslim masses, that compels so many of them to kill, discriminate, and terrorize. And perhaps that’s why Gamal feels so qualified to preach about hate, because as an imam nobody knows better the power of hate to motivate violence. Muslims need to realize that it is they who create this climate of hate with all the terror and murder they do for their politically motivated religion: 10’s of thousands of terror acts committed to advance islam in recent years, an entire army of ISIS soldiers terrorizing much of the Middle East, the mass persecution of Jews and Christians, the mass rape of our kids and women, our neighborhoods lost to exclusive enclaves, the undermining of our laws and politics for sharia… Islam’s political agenda is totalitarianism for religion backed by threats of murder and terror, that’s a universal truth that all honest thinking people know. And anyone who is not a member of their religious “party” is an enemy to be killed, subjugated, or extorted. This is how it’s been for 1400 years and there’s no reason to think that’s going to change any time soon.
So the solution is not to silence critics of islam, even the harshest of them, because their hate is an understandable human response to a deadly and immoral threat. The onus is on muslims themselves to refrain from the hateful and murderous actions against us first, they are the instigators of the negative response they get. It is up to muslims to look within and recognize the hate in their own religion, and take responsibility for the majority part they play in all this. And if they can’t even take that step of integrity then non-muslims will naturally feel they have no other option than violence in their own defense–sad but true. I don’t condone killing muslim civilians on the street, I don’t think we’re at civil war quite yet. But I can see a day in the not-too-distant future where that ugly option is all westerners have left. Hopefully I’ll be dead before that happens.
Seth says
Ardern is one of the most brainless, pandering, slithering snakes on the western political scene. That photograph is vomit-inducing. That repulsive thing on her head. That prideful vacuous gurn. Ugh.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
You expressed my feelings perfectly well. She couldn’t look anymore dhimmified, with that sad defeated look on here face, the one that says, “I deserve this slavery to a demon, I’m white and so f*cking privileged.” PUKE! Why don’t these people have a spine? Do they love that violent religion more than their own human rights? their own freedoms? these people don’t need a psychiatrist, they need an insane asylum.
roberta says
This bitch needs the stupid slapped out of her. But if the stupid were slapped out of her, Im pretty sure her skin would collapse.
FYI says
She should go live in iran and see what happens when she wants to take off that head covering in public like say,on a bus.
The Truth about that head covering..
“If they do that{i. e wear the head covering} it will be known that they are free and that they are not servants or whores”
Tafsir Ibn Kathir 33:59
Note the implications of NOT wearing it:”it will be KNOWN..”
Wear it:’free'{…sure,free from being molested!..}
Discard it:slave,servant,whore,infidel woman.
That has nothing to do with any god of course: it is predictably in the koran where allah{muhammed’s sock puppet} insists women wear this but the koran we know to be an Arabian Fantasy.
It is a man-made rule to classify women.Ardern is actually showing her status of submission to it although no doubt she thinks it is a sign of respect.
Curtis Miller says
In their lust for power, politicians will always make ignorant and senseless comments and promises. I would venture to say the the NZ Prime Minister has never read the Koran, thus her ignorance.
roberta says
Politicians are the type of parasite that kills the host they feed upon.
Not all parasites are so stupid.
gravenimage says
Not all politicians are like this.
Rob R (Brit stuck in Britainistan) says
Gross. Look at the pathetic cow. You know in every office there’s that “snooty” woman who thinks she’s amazing when she’s a ditzy nobody? And acts like she’s better than everyone? This is her, except they made her head of a country.
You’d think if Muslims were supposedly such quality people, they’d be offended by her “trying on” a headscarf as though Islam was a fashion trend or something. (which to her and other liberals it is, one they never get bored of) I mean wouldn’t they find it… “patronising” or whatever?
They’re not offended they’ll take attention and fawning from whichever gullible leaders they can get it from.
Ron Bunting says
Only one man made her PM, Winston Peters .No one elected her to the PM job.
Yogi says
She is pure bitch , nothing else ..
Peter Dale says
She is a politician; she wants power. And she will do and say anything to get it. Just like all the other politicians all over the world. What she does if she wins may be something completely different. We all know about the promises of politicians and how quickly they evaporate after the election is over. She may have done a calculation about saying this nonsense to garner Moslem votes, knowing that the Supreme Court will toss the legislation out or severely limit its range. Then she can blame the judges. An approach which has worked elsewhere. Or maybe not.
ELI says
“A law criminalizing “hate speech” against religion will almost certainly be used to silence all criticism of Islam, including even simple opposition to jihad violence and Sharia oppression. After all, such opposition has been smeared as “hate speech” by jihad sympathizers and jihad enablers for years.”
Not sure. I think she means saying typical jihadwatch stuff like Muslims are all (fill in the blank) and should be deported from Western countries is dangerous and can lead to violence.
Of course it can, we know it can.
Imagine if someone tells you that Muslims are commanded to rape and kill every single infidel. Then they tell you that the ones who seem nice are using taqqiya. Then they tell you that the political establishment is trying to facilitate a Muslim takeover. Then they tell you that if we don’t do “something” in a very short future it will be too late.
Of course some people are going to take violent measures. Just look at the response to the attacks at Christchurch on jihadwatch.
If I really honestly believed what jihadwatch was telling me about Islam AND Muslims, the only thing stopping me would be cowardice and/or love of comfort. It’s not just jihadwatch of course, there is international terrorism which fuels hate and revenge attacks.
gravenimage says
The appalling ELI wrote:
“A law criminalizing “hate speech” against religion will almost certainly be used to silence all criticism of Islam, including even simple opposition to jihad violence and Sharia oppression. After all, such opposition has been smeared as “hate speech” by jihad sympathizers and jihad enablers for years.”
Not sure. I think she means saying typical jihadwatch stuff like Muslims are all (fill in the blank) and should be deported from Western countries is dangerous and can lead to violence.
Of course it can, we know it can.
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The idea that this law is fine so long as it prevents anyone from exposing the violence of Islam is just sickening.
ELI cannot, of course, point to any instances of Jihad Watch calling for violence, because it never has.
More:
Imagine if someone tells you that Muslims are commanded to rape and kill every single infidel. Then they tell you that the ones who seem nice are using taqqiya. Then they tell you that the political establishment is trying to facilitate a Muslim takeover. Then they tell you that if we don’t do “something” in a very short future it will be too late.
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Jihad Watch does not say this, because it is not true. Islam does indeed teach that rape and murder of Infidels is a valid part of Jihad to be waged until Infidels submit to Islam, though. Of course, ELI does not want anyone to be allowed to expose this.
Note that he pretends that exposing the violence of Islam is violent, whereas the violence of Islam itself is supposedly not. This is known as projection.
More:
Of course some people are going to take violent measures. Just look at the response to the attacks at Christchurch on jihadwatch.
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The implication that Jihad Watch supported this violence is, of course, just grotesque calumny. Citations, please. Not that I will be holding my breath, of course.
More:
If I really honestly believed what jihadwatch was telling me about Islam AND Muslims, the only thing stopping me would be cowardice and/or love of comfort. It’s not just jihadwatch of course, there is international terrorism which fuels hate and revenge attacks.
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What utter claptrap. The claim that everyone who exposes savagery is themselves a savage is a sick lie.
Then, note the weasel words at the end, here–what is ELI pretending “international terrorism” is, save Jihad taught by Islam itself? Very few acts of terrorism are *not* Jihad.
john smith says
Very few acts of terrorism are not jihad, so true, but after every attack they come out with the same bullshit.
“We muslims are the real victims in this”
gravenimage says
Grimly true, John.
tgusa says
This is new age leftist female empowerment which is about as crazy as they can get. Over a century ago western women marched for all the rights and responsibilities of citizenship and now we see leftist women calling for this. It took women nearly 100 years to achieve their goals. Leftist women, not a chip off the old block at all. What a decline. It doesn’t realty matter if courts overturn their craziness it is their actions that cannot be ignored.
gravenimage says
There are dhimmi women *and* men who want to cave in to demands that Islam not subject to criticism.
James Lincoln says
If Heat (1995) were made today, I wonder if Neil would still want to take Eady and flee to New Zealand after the final big score.
Maybe Poland or Hungary…
Peter WF says
I guess one approach is to define “The Perfect Man” and put it in legislation.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/marion-county/2017/06/06/anti-muslim-billboard-owned-businessman-history-inflammatory-rhetoric/375344001/
Then follows that there will be a definition for “The Perfect Woman”.
somehistory says
moslims demand that governments criminalize criticism of “religion,” but they don’t view the faith or belief or others as “religion.” Pretending that they have the rights of all religious people in mind, they say that it should be illegal to say anything negative about ‘religion,’ when they really mean only islam.
If they didn’t mean only islam, but Christianity, Judaism, etc,. they would be outlawing the very speech they have going on every day, every week, every year…multiple times a day, calling Jews “apes and pigs,” and saying Christ will return to massacre Christians for not becoming moslims…and many other “hateful” and untrue things about others.
And when they say criticism, they actually mean anything, even the basic facts, such as their “prophet” was a mass-murdering liar who took a young girl from her family in order to rape her daily and call it “marriage.” moslims call it “hate speech” when the Truth is told about what jihad means, how they feel about the people they call “infidels,” what they say in their daily preying ( yes, preying, not a typo) sessions, and that their goal is to replace all other religious belief and practices with islam, by the sword and by having multiple wives who have multiple children to be raised to plot and carry out terror attacks, and by being elected, by lying…any trick they can conceive to take over and rule others.
This is the “hate speech” and criticism they want to be outlawed and punished with fines and jail time…and death where possible, as they do in countries such as Iran and Pakistan.
And this woman has already shown that she is a total fool…donning the scarf and demanding that all of New Zealand do the same because some guy supposedly committed a terror attack inside a moslim barracks.
It’s a trap. A trick and a trap to keep the truth of islam from being made public so everyone can know what and who wants them enslaved to evil…or dead for refusing slavery.
gravenimage says
New Zealand Prime Minister vows to criminalize criticism of Islam if reelected
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Crushing freedom of speech and imposing Shari’ah law–utter madness.
Stpeheybo says
GravenImage, freedom of speech got crushed years ago in New Zealand, everyone jumped on the “Oh whoa, poor muslims” bandwagon and it only takes a sniff of news to make it the #1 story in NZ, it’s sickening because if you ask any NZ’er how they felt about the 300 Nigerians that were murdered by muslims ON THE SAME WEEKEND,,, no-one will say they heard of it.
And they’re right because it wasn’t splashed over every news outlet in the country. no-one heard of it because it was anonymous, invisible, and defiantly had no political horsepower …
infidel says
The feminist Sweden way…. What else can we say here? The road to ruin for one of the last remaining idyllic paradises on earth.. NZ…
infidel says
And last I heard that there is a growing enclave of these vile creatures in Queenstown… I shudder to think what will Queenstown be in 2050.. another no go zone like Kashmir..
libertyORdeath says
The Enlightenment was propelled by the fair criticism of all things INCLUDING RELIGION. We must stand up for our rights to observe, develop our own opinions and voice them and not be pushed back to the middle ages by these modern day Inquisitionists. In a nutshell, THINK FOR YOURSELF.
gravenimage says
+1
notnolib says
Suppose someone were to merely “point out” the many “features” if islam? For example, it’s a “feature” of islam to hate Jews. Another feature is pretending that the pig-faced dog pedophile mohammed is “the perfect man”. Can things like that be “pointed out”?
gravenimage says
Not if Adern has her way.
Bikinis not Burkas says
The perfect man, NOT, defective DNA.
Muhammad was WHITE!
http://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/Reference/Hadith-2340/
Muhammad was a dwarf and fat!
http://sunnah.com/abudawud/42/154
Bikinis not Burkas says
If Adern loves Islam so much, to be in sync. with them, has she had her genitals mutilated?
Bob Ollocks says
I live in NZ and sadly Kiwis just sit back and do nothing. I wish there was a proactive group I could join to defend against Islam and this kind of bullshit
gravenimage says
Hi, Bob. There is this:
Stop The Islamization of New Zealand
https://www.facebook.com/Stop-The-Islamization-of-New-Zealand-608716655811189/
Good luck!