“Sufan ventured that the riots are due to the Islamic Association and parents not teaching its young people and children how to behave properly.”
Maybe. But a more likely possibility is that the members of the mob were behaving just the way the Islamic Association and parents taught them to behave, in accord with Islam’s doctrines counseling warfare against unbelievers (cf. Qur’an 8:39, 9:29). But no one in Sweden or anywhere else dares to contemplate the implications of that.
“Immigrant Mob Tried to ‘Burn Down the Church’ in Swedish Town – Witnesses,” by Igor Kuznetsov, Sputnik News, September 1, 2020 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
During the immigrant riots in the Swedish town of Ronneby in Blekinge county that are seen as an aftermath of the Quran-burning in Malmö, fires were started, stones were thrown and storefronts were smashed.
Amid the riots that broke out in the tiny Swedish town of Ronneby during the weekend, an immigrant mob attempted to torch the local church, Swedish Radio reported citing local witnesses.
Local man Naem Sufan, himself an immigrant, told Swedish Radio that he attempted to intervene when the perpetrators, both young people and adults, wanted to burn down the church. By his own admission, he was beaten because he “defended the church” by extinguishing the fire with his jacket.
The church survived undamaged, unlike Sufan, who was hit with a stone and ended up with a broken shoulder and a sore neck. He also confirmed that the perpetrators were immigrants, and voiced his outrage.
“You get so disappointed when you see immigrants do that. I’m an immigrant myself. And I don’t get it. Sweden has given them everything they want. We have fled war, so we can not start new wars here,” Sufan told Swedish Radio, pointing out that people who come to Sweden must become part of society and learn the language.
Sufan ventured that the riots are due to the Islamic Association and parents not teaching its young people and children how to behave properly….
Lightship Chaplain says
The old school Europeans understood what would happen; this new school of the “thought police” are in denial of what was known in history for a millennium!
toomanyhobbies says
if a Christian tried to do that to a Mosque it would be national news…
gravenimage says
It would be international news.
medforth says
” Mediterranean man” knocks down priest during the service and shouts “Whore Maria” in Berlin, Germany
My God, now the German mainstream media is even disguising anti-Christian violence as “anti-religious” as if this most likely Muslim attacker had also desecrated a mosque.This is what the tabloid BILD reports about the attack on a priest during the service:
What kind of godless man is this, who knocks down a priest with his fist during mass?
In the St. Joseph Church in the street Müllerstraße (Berlin district Wedding) the service last Sunday was already being held for about 30 minutes, when a man, who until then had been sitting quietly, got up and spat into the church. “Afterwards he is said to have walked purposefully to the altar room and in the meantime loudly expressed himself hostile to religion,” the police reconstructed after witness statements.”Whore Maria”, he is said to have yelled. Arriving at the front, he knocked down the 61-year-old priest, holder of the papal honorary title, ” Monsignore,” with a fist punch.Immediately afterwards, the unknown man grabbed the Bible and tore out several pages from it. The 56-year-old brother (of the priest, Ed.) rushed to the aid of the beaten man. The attacker knocked him down with the Bible and then fled from the church.According to the police, the attacker is a Mediterranean type of man, about 30 to 40 years old. Strong figure, about 1.80 meters tall. The State Security is investigating.
bild.de/regional/berlin/berlin-aktuell/berliner-pfarrer-bei-messe-niedergeschlagen-der-taeter-schrie-hure-maria-72692178.bild.html
gravenimage says
Thanks for that ugly story, Medforth.
Rufolino says
My God, what is Europe going to be like 10 years, 20 years from now ?
Templer says
Well I live in the UK these animals have tacken over mare off Oldham ‘royton’rochdale’biringham ,spark hill,dewsberrey all Muslim mare allnone muslims treated as secondhand citizens London muslim mare muslimmojorty Muslim houseing Islamic Center hala shops beatingsfor eating ham well USA as a lot to look forward to a
Church’s turnend into islamic centres crises tacken down
gravenimage says
That’s what I worry about.
somehistory says
Par for the course. hey, vatican ambassador to Nigeria, what is the “important” thing to say about this? Why are moslims in Sweden behaving the same way as moslims in Nigeria toward Christians and their property if islam has nothing to do with it?
Catholics go to “confession.” This rep and others like him…including the pope guy…need to “confess” and tell the Truth, admit to lying, and “come clean,” regarding islam and the vile, evil, demonic behavior of moslims.
Wellington says
Islam is a curse to mankind. It is especially a curse to Western Civilization PRECISELY due to two factors: 1) The West is the most creative by far of any civilization in history, not only in technical and scientific fields, but in artistic areas too (think Homer, Dante, Michelangelo, Shakespeare and Beethoven for confirmation here respecting the arts—who of any other civilization surpasses such geniuses let alone equals them?), but also in the realms of government, economics and personal liberty, including women’s rights, and the entire Islamic mindset impedes this creativity, locked as it is in a 7th-century regressive mindset.
And 2): Much of the West today has lost its collective mind, due to too much self-criticism, aided by general ignorance by deficient, ignorant teachers aplenty by way of pc/mc, and therefore the now pathetic West makes excuses for inferior societies in so-tired out anthropological mode, anthropology being yet another invention of the West and which, where physical anthropology is concerned, has made enormous strides, but where social anthropology is concerned such has descended into an almost mindless moral and intellectual relativism whereby a horribly regressive Islamic world, and even lesser worlds, is put on the same plane as the Western world, or even more stupidly, placed above the latter.
Bizarro World continues unabated. You bet it does. For instance, in Sweden.
Michael Copeland says
Yes, 7th-century regressive mindset.
There is a need for people to be informed of this mindset.
This article, “The Mindset Need’, should help:
https://gatesofvienna.net/2014/10/the-mindset-need/
gravenimage says
+1
infidel says
I will digress with certain points U make. While I agree wholeheartedly that Western civilization is one of the peaks reached by human evolution, IT IS NOT THE ONLY ONE.. Hindu civilization has its own zenith too in terms of creativity as well as in the sciences. It was the onslaught of constant rapaciousness by Islam and later by colonial forces that threw the spanner in our works. But now we Hindus are getting back on our feet and asserting ourselves in the arts, science, and tech. U may have already come across many Hindus in the West who are doing spectacularly in their respective fields and many of them are even trial blazers. They are fast becoming part and parcel of the cream of Western society, And I promise that U will hear more from us in the coming decades PROVIDED Islam does not eat us up as it may do to even Europe. Hindus, Jews, and the West MUST UNITE ROCK SOLID to counter this Jehaadi scrooge.
Wellington says
Well, infidel, while I certainly think Hindu Civilization is one of the most sophisticated ever developed by man, I would point out that it was the ancient Greeks who first separated philosophy from religion (beginning with the Milesian School c. 620 B.C.) and were also the first to develop democracy. The West also explored personal liberty as no other civilization has and the two main Western religions, Judaism and Christianity (I consider Islam a rip-off of these two religions and replete with many horrible aspects) place the greatest emphasis on the dignity and worth of the individual and thus work best with the democratic tenets invented by the ancient Greeks. The West was also the only civilization to develop a true scientific method, i.e., reason plus tested observational methods, and thereafter produced the most technologically advanced civilization on earth—just look around at all the technology that is now part of your world; it was almost entirely invented by the West—the steam engine, the telegraph, railroads, the telephone, cars, planes, radio, television, satellites. It’s a very, very long list. Yes, sometimes improved upon by non-Western civilizations (e.g., Japan) but first invented by Western Civilization.
There is also the great problem historically of the Hindu caste system, which certainly mitigated against the conviction that merit alone should be what should be prized above all. Yes, many Western societies took a long time to fully develop this, and many still haven’t, but one Western polity in particular pushed the idea of merit alone determining how high a person might rise and that polity is America, which is presently being attacked by a very old totalitarian system, Islam, which also did much damage to Hindu Civilization which I know you know only too well, as well as by the newest totalitarian ideology, Leftism, which in many ways is warmed over Marxism. And no civilization has pioneered women’s rights and the capacity to apologize for past wrongdoing as much as Western Civilization has. And let’s not forget the Hindu practice of suttee, which was simply barbaric. The West was also the first civilization to realize that slavery was wrong and took many measures to end it.
What sets the West apart from all other civilizations more than any single factor is its emphasis on individual freedom and this is why many, myself included, think the West is best. Ibn Warraq certainly does—the very title of one of his works reveals this, i.e., Why the West is Best, and Victor Davis Hanson in his great work, Carnage and Culture, explains the dominance of Western militaries (and with copious examples) over all other militaries precisely due to the West’s exploration of freedom such as no other civilization can compare.
I mean no affront to Hindu Civilization, which has much merit, but I remain possessed of the conviction that Western Civilization is the greatest civilization of them all. This is an opinion of course and not a fact, but some opinions are very much in alignment with the truth.
James Lincoln says
Wellington says,
“…the newest totalitarian ideology, Leftism, which in many ways is warmed over Marxism.”
100% true.
For some very strange reason, I immediately thought of a scene from the 1987 movie “Planes, Trains and Automobiles.”
Neal Page’s “warmed over” lasagna at 1:10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztbHu8PMMzU
Wellington says
Greatly enjoy that movie, James. I’m not a big fan of Steve Martin but in that film with John Candy (who died way too young) the combo is perfect. Thanks for the link.
gravenimage says
Good exchange.
infidel says
People in the West do not have the complete info on the basis of the Caste system, which was actually based on merit and not birth for which I will be forced to digress and get away from the main point, Let me also add that the practice of Suthee was done as a security against barbaric Muslim invaders who used to rape the Hindu women after killing their husbands. By entering the fire and burning themselves to ashes, the Hindu women ensured that these barbaric beasts did not get to indulge in their favorite grisly pastime of necrophilia with their corpses.
As for scientific invention, Hindus could have achieved as much as the West did but for the 800 plus years of vicious and stifling Islamic rule and invasions from which we had no respite. The West did not suffer as much from this pestilence as much as Hindus did. U got rid of these pests from ur lands thru the Crusades and that gave U ample time to recover from the Dark Ages and come out into the Industrial Revolution. Great Britain, one of the foremost engines of the IR, could finance all its inventions from the loot that it managed from India.
But in spite of all this, Hindus were very persistent with scientific inquiry. Jagadish Chandra Bose had edged out Marconi in demonstration of wireless transmission and so also the Talpude brothers did the same to the Wright brothers .. But both never got the credit due to Colonial discrimination.
But believe me, U will hear more from Hindus in the decades ahead… Just give us the chance to do unhindered progress… After all, this is the land that invented Yoga.. And there is one more area which the world is yet to hear… Vedic Ghanam chanting in permutations and combinations of Sanskrit words that not only involves grammatical combo of words but also of tones with such super-sophistication.. the world has never seen. No other culture has demonstrated this to date.
gravenimage says
Infidel–with all respect–being born into a Caste is not “merit” unless you believe that this is based on conduct in past lives.
I have a great deal of respect for Hindu culture, but that does not extend to the appalling Caste System. I am glad that India today has jettisoned this oppressive system.
Nor does it extend to the horrors of Suttee.
As for the claim that Hindus had to burn widows to death because of Muslims, this does not hold water. Firstly, the practice of Suttee predates the Muslim invasion. Then, the idea that Muslims respected Hindu women who were married, and only targeted ones whose husbands had died is incorrect. You yourself admit this is the case.
Then, Suttee was not limited to areas where widows would be at risk from Muslims–this is quite mistaken.
Then, there are Hindus *today* who want to see the return of widow burning, even though no Muslim has a legal right to rape Hindu widows now. (Luckily there are few Hindus who think like this, but grimly they *do* exist). None of them use the threat of Muslim rape as an excuse for this.
I’m *glad* that the British abolished Suttee.
There is a great deal to admire in Hindu culture, but not the Caste System and Suttee.
infidel says
And let me also add:
While U are mentioning the literary and musical greats of the West… let also tell U that we Hindus in India have our own literary greats and master playwrights like Kaalidaasa who wrote masterpieces in Sanskrit rivaling and even exceeding what Ur Shakespeare created. Because Kaalidaasa did his works in that ancient tongue of Sanskrit, U people are not familiar. The first grammatical treatise and rules of grammar in any language was written by Paanini in Sanskrit . And not only in Sanskrit, We here in India have literary gems in all our 23 languages,, each with its own grammar and script and rich literature, As an example, the word’s most ancient languate, Tamil, spoken in the Southern state of TN has some of the most exalted literature in terms of prose and poetry,…And when U talk about music, U people in the West have greats in the Western Classical music system. In parallel, we Hindus in India have NOT ONE but TWO highly evolved classical music systems (Northern Hindustani & Southern Caranatic) with our own doyens in these two systems and legends and highly evolved theories in music. And we have 5 established classical forms of dance, each with their own theoretical background. And so also a very rich drums and percussion history… highly evolved in beats too… U will hear more from us in coming decades, I promise. provided once again, Islam and to a lesser extent Christianity does not wipe us out.
infidel says
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/nasa-congratulates-indian-astronomers-on-star-galaxy-discovery/articleshow/77881469.cms
Ps check out this latest link on how NASA has congratulated Indian scientists.. almost all of them Hindu
James Seagrove says
I don’t blame Muslims for being they what they are, this is their normal behavior and it can’t be corrected or changed. I blame the lunatics that let them loose on civilized society and all the rape, murder and mayhem that followed. Those lunatics must be held responsible from the bureaucratic level to the highest official, they are all equally complicit in the rape, the murder and the mayhem.
talleyrand says
+1
Gork says
Most Europeans didn’t even give a second thought to when the cathedral in Nantes burned.
Those who do not believe in something will fall for anything.
gravenimage says
This story has actually gotten a lot of coverage–and yes, arson is suspected.
gravenimage says
Sweden: Muslim migrants try to burn down church, beat a man who defends it
………….
This is not about not knowing how to behave–Islam teaches the destruction of churches.
Naem Sufan is a brave man–kudos to him! His name is Greek.
Prabhakar Shetty says
Many Jurassic Parks have been established in Europe. It is nurtured by, bloc vote seeking politicians. They have come to eliminate you. Don’t be under any illusions otherwise. In case you have any doubts, read about infidels in their book.
OLD GUY says
Migration invasion in action. This is the future when you allow the islamic/muslims into your country.