“Detectives quickly ruled out terrorism, saying there was ‘no suggestion’ that it was a hate crime or that gangs were involved. They said the stabbings appeared to be random, with no obvious links between the victims.”
It all depends on what your definition of “terrorism” is. There are three indications here that this was a jihad attack:
1. The attack is, as the notice below says, “a male of Somalia descent.” Somalia is almost 100% Muslim and the jihad group al-Shabaab is active there.
2. The attacker stabbed at least one of the victims in the throat. “When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks…” (Qur’an 47:4)
3. We have seen random stabbings by jihadis in the West many times. The Islamic State issued this call in September 2014:
So O muwahhid, do not let this battle pass you by wherever you may be. You must strike the soldiers, patrons, and troops of the tawaghit. Strike their police, security, and intelligence members, as well as their treacherous agents. Destroy their beds. Embitter their lives for them and busy them with themselves. If you can kill a disbelieving American or European — especially the spiteful and filthy French — or an Australian, or a Canadian, or any other disbeliever from the disbelievers waging war, including the citizens of the countries that entered into a coalition against the Islamic State, then rely upon Allah, and kill him in any manner or way however it may be….If you are not able to find an IED or a bullet, then single out the disbelieving American, Frenchman, or any of their allies. Smash his head with a rock, or slaughter him with a knife, or run him over with your car, or throw him down from a high place, or choke him, or poison him….
But the British political media establishment cannot and will not admit that any of this allows for the possibility that this was a jihad attack. And so even before this man has been apprehended, and before police know the first thing about him, they have ruled out terrorism. It is a manifestation of the willful ignorance that is pandemic in our age.
An update on this story. “Police release footage of Birmingham murder suspect on the run after one is killed and seven injured,” by Victoria Ward and Mason Boycott-Owen, Telegraph, September 6, 2020 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A manhunt is underway for a young, black “Somalian” murder suspect behind a spate of stabbings in Birmingham city centre.
On Sunday night, police released footage of the suspect, whom the public has been warned not to approach, pacing the street shortly before 2am.
Dressed in black jeans, with a black hoodie and black cap, he had already stabbed most of his victims, killing a 23-year-old man.
Detectives quickly ruled out terrorism, saying there was “no suggestion” that it was a hate crime or that gangs were involved. They said the stabbings appeared to be random, with no obvious links between the victims.
A 32-year-old woman, who was stabbed in the throat as she was pinned up against a wall, and a 19-year-old man suffered critical injuries. Five others, aged between 23 and 33, received relatively minor injuries, West Midlands Police said….
Nathan Hudson, assistant chief ambulance officer with the WMAS, said: “We had an attacker with a knife going round randomly stabbing people.
“We had an ongoing incident and didn’t really know at what point that would end.”
A security guards’ chatroom sent out a description of the suspect, warning local bar owners to be vigilant.
“The suspect is described as 5ft 5 in, a male of Somalia descent, dark skinned & wearing dark clothing – a hoodie and tracksuit bottoms,” it said….
mortimer says
Did he kill people because he is a Somali? That would be ‘racism’.
Did he kill people because he is a jihadist? That would ‘ideological’ killing.
Rob says
This is madness. Why should there be a CONNECTION between the victims? The victims in Manchester and Boston had no ‘connection’ other than interest in the same activity – running or pop concerts.
Roger Woodhouse says
The reason British police are slow to give any information about the killer is because they all need to co ordinate the right response.That comes from a higher authority ie British government.The delay will give time for any outrage by the people to dessimate.If the killer is identified as a muslim receiving his permission to go on a killing spree his mosque would be investigated and shut down but the British government darent do that.No ,all the usual platitudes will come out ie mental illness ,nothing to do with Islam etc.And so it continues.
James Lincoln says
Roger,
Your analysis is correct.
Platitudes for now, and no mosque investigations.
If the UK stays on its current glide slope, eventually these attacks will not even be reported.
David Curtis says
I bet my wife £5 it would be a guy from some dump like he turned out to be, a total waste of limited UK soil, how do we keep lettin them in, crap laws, gullible civil servants, dim MP,s, do tell Borris, how many lives have we lost to these madmen of islam, just as an enquiry starts on the 2 manchester madmen, they dont need an expensive enquiry, as we all know what, why, who did it, and who will be next to do it. AGAIN. Nothin g has changed since the string of bombs in londo years ago, to stem the flow, boatloads arrivin every day, Im glad the weather is gettin bad.
JamesC. says
Don’t you mean “The polizei have yet to cook up a plausible-sounding cock-and-bull story, to feed to the ignorant & uncritical masses” ?
I’m amazed that the police have not said the arrested man is a “lone wolf” who “in no way represents” the “great and noble religion” of “love and peace” that is Islam. And that they have not pointed out that the real threat is from “right-wing extremists”; and that the local spokespervert for the MCB has not yet pointed out that “Muslims are the real victims”.
Rufolino says
You murder someone with a knife but “there is no suggestion” of any hate crime ?
What kind of logic is THAT ?
Murder is always a hate crime if death isn’t an accident.
(The UK is now a ship stuck up the creek.)
mortimer says
Clue for Birmingham police:
Koran 8.60 – “TURHIBUNNA” (terrorise them)
CogitoErgoSum says
Did he stab people of all skin colors or was he a racist and choose only white people as his victims?
Mark M says
That’s the key question. Birmingham is approximately 50% white now, so stabbing 7 white people at random would be fairly low, depending on which part of Birmingham this was in. I suspect that the authorities would not release this key information if it was 7 white people, but their silence on this matter would then be a giveaway.
Eleanor says
The authorities might not release this information, but someone in Birmingham will know exactly the race of those who were attacked, so hopefully they will provide details publicly.
David Curtis says
It has been a big silence since it happened. Our “protectors” were asked to stop, question abedpan in manchester arena, brush of was how the person who approached security, go away dont be stupid, that massive backpack he is wearing coz he is goin campin after the show, many lives lost ruined coz we are scared to be percieved to be pickin out certain types, so the deaths will continue
OTTER says
There is no explanation for this worldwide cover up of the murders by Islam and Muslims other than the disconcerting insight that Islam is a very lucky religion.
Ismail Ali says
The truth is truth ,and nothing but the truth …Those that have objective minds see Islam in that light …but some diehard racist and religious gingoist like Robert Spencer and his cohorts ,can never and will never see the truth ..
CogitoErgoSum says
What is the truth?
JamesC. says
Or in Latin, “Quid est veritas ?” (Pilate’s question in St John 18.38)
Which is an anagram of “Est vir qui adest”. (“It is the man before you”.)
James Lincoln says
Ismail Ali,
Thank you for demonstrating the thought process of a devout muslim.
It definitely helps the cause here at Jihad Watch.
Wellington says
+1
gravenimage says
Spot on, James.
dawne says
And the truth is that Islam is a violent religion that promotes murder and terror.
Wellington says
You encapsulated Islam almost perfectly.
David M says
Actually a political ideology masquerading as a false religion.
gravenimage says
Note that when this story was first reported yesterday that Ismail Ali laughably claimed that there was no way a Muslim was the perpetrator. No that he is caught out, he is still yelling that everyone else is a liar. Just sad.
And how is reporting a story where the perpetrator is Somali “racist”? This is simply the facts.
David M says
Because to him Muslims are always the victims, even when they are out murdering kafirs.
Mike 2 says
It’s people like Ismail Ali that are giving Wogs a bad name.
Keith O says
IA, Just worked out what your initials stand for.
Idiots Anonymous!
IF you truly believe what you wrote? then you are indeed an idiot, probably born of first cousins.
screw u says
This is the twisted thinking of someone who’s family tree is a straight line.
Your mind has become so clouded by the lies of islam that you can’t see nor understand the simple truth that you like all of your ilk have been decieved.
Seeking Deliverance says
Ismail Ali is a Fascist racist I see. Go away Ismail Ali. You’re unwanted here. I’m sure you can find fellow Fascists in some U.S. Democratic Party region to hang out with.
Roger Woodhouse says
Without Mohammeds lies and subsequent ‘Jihad’Islam would have disappeared 1000 years ago.Fear and fear alone keeps it alive amongst the most ignorant of people.
JamesC. says
Isn’t it ever so slightly odd that “the religion of peace”, has, since September 11 2001, killed over 30,000 people ?
Is that how Islam seeks to persuade us kaffirs that Islam is a wonderful, beautiful, good, attractive, virtuous, truly Divine religion ?
Does that not need explanation ?
Oh, BTW, “jingoist” is spelt……”jingoist”.
gravenimage says
Yep. And remember, most of these Jihad terror attacks have had more than one victim.
Roger Woodhouse says
I wonder just how many more innocent victims are to be slaughtered on our streets before Islmists are finally ‘integrated fully ‘into our way of life.?Surely it can only be a matter of a few more years?Twenty perhaps? Sarc off.
Tony Naim says
Catholic UK Detectives ???!
UK government must be coordinating its policy of permissiveness to radical Islam with the Pope.
gravenimage says
There are a lot of British Catholics, Tony, but this is not the majority faith there. The is no particular reason to suppose that these detectives are Catholic, and no reason to think this would make a difference one way of the other if they were.
JamesC. says
Catholics in the UK form about 6 million or so out of about a total UK population of 64 million. How many are practicing, is less than that. Most Londoners are not Catholics. The majority (nominal) religion in England is Anglicanism. In Scotland, it is Presbyterianism.
The UK is *highly* secularised, and there is simply no reason to postulate Papal influence on policing in London. The US seems to be far more influenced by the Pope’s thinking than the UK is. Catholicism here is perhaps a force to be reckoned with only in Northern Ireland – not that it counts for much even there, especially given recent events.
Christians of any kind are widely regarded as undesirable, anti-social, weird, backward, or as repellent in other ways: and the crimes of the Churches are well-publicised. The prospect of senior churchmen (of any Church) influencing policing policy is nil.
Culturally, Islam seems to have far more real influence in the UK than most forms of Christianity, or than any other religion.
R Russell says
There are none so blind as those who will not see
Ismail Ali says
Yes ,like Robert Spencer who has eyes but can not see.
CogitoErgoSum says
You have a brain but can not think.
Wellington says
Think, Ismail Ali, you would win a debate with Robert Spencer?
Hey, what are you afraid of? Why not challenge RS to a debate? I’m sure he would accept. How about you?
john smith says
Ismail Ali, Robert Spencer can see alright, he can see evil in the death cult you follow, he can see the evil in many of the followers of Islam, he can see the evil in this Somalian murderer.
I have to admit that you are a fine example of a pious Muslim, by showing your hatred to those that oppose hatred.
gravenimage says
Note that Ismail Ali cannot say what Robert Spencer has supposedly gotten wrong in citing a story from a mainstream, respected news source.
Really, this is Muslim “reasoning”.
john smith says
This certainly is Muslim reasoning.
gravenimage says
Yep.
David M says
He’s a WAYCIST for reporting it according to the inbred Muslim Ismail.
Seeking Deliverance says
Islam is the ideology of torture, rape, and murder. How many of those crimes have you committed Ismail Ali?
J Morgan says
It’s maddening when it is so blindingly obvious that it is a jihadi hate crime. There really is no other explanation for it especially if he did not know the victims beforehand, but something about their looks triggered him?
Ismail Ali says
A bundle of contradictions…because the crime officer was professional in his investigation, you are now accusing him of covering up terrorism.. Not all are racists and hopeless like the likes of Robert Spencer and his cohorts.
CogitoErgoSum says
What do you know about professional investigations?
J Morgan says
As Robert Spencer said,
It all depends on what your definition of “terrorism” is. There are three indications here that this was a jihad attack:
1. The attack is, as the notice below says, “a male of Somalia descent.” Somalia is almost 100% Muslim and the jihad group al-Shabaab is active there.
2. The attacker stabbed at least one of the victims in the throat. “When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks…” (Qur’an 47:4)
3. We have seen random stabbings by jihadis in the West many times. The Islamic State issued this call in September 2014:
The fact that he attacked people he did not even know shows evidence of a hate crime, as something about the way the people looked drove him to such a horrid, violent murderous attack. Where did that preexisting level of anger come from? It points to a brain washed adherent of the religion of pieces.
gravenimage says
Yes. And Ismail Ali will never condemn this savagery in the Qur’an, either.
gravenimage says
Muslims have been stabbing victims all over the West for years now in Jihad terror attacks. And–again–Islam is not a race. Muslims of all ethnicities have been doing this.
Note, further, that Ismail Ali has never actually condemned this stabbing spree. Very telling.
Roger Woodhouse says
GI he cant condemn these murderous attacks as it would be going against the teachings of their precious book (works manual)Koran
David M says
The police think if they stick their head in the sand & admit nothing the general public won’t know what just happened. Be interesting to know how far up this order they are following has come from.
somehistory says
These guys saying ” not terrorism,” need some lessons in just what constitutes terrorism.
If there is an “incident” that causes people to feel terror, it is terrorism. The main thing is whether or not the attacker, stabber, bomber, murderer, etc. is doing his foul, evil and dirty deeds for the purpose of changing the existing government…by attacking its citizens. One lone attacker, murderer, stabber, rapist…terrorist…cannot go up against a government and cause it to make drastic changes, but a group of terrorists go against a group of citizens…even one on one…and if it happens enough times, the government will make changes…sometimes to actually rid the country of the terrorists…other times, to appease them.
This was terrorism….being of somalia extraction, moslim terrorism, terrorism for islam, for the goals islam sets for its adherents.
Not calling it terrorism will not make it not terrorism. “A rose is a rose by any other name,” and terrorism is terrorism, jihad is jihad…no matter what it is called by those who “investigate” it.
It was “murder” and attempted murder by knife attack…not an “incident.” That word is too mild for murderous attacks by a moslim from any extraction upon anyone, “random” or otherwise.
Ismail Ali says
Giving a dog a bad name in order to bury it? The crime officers in charge of investigation ,said it was not terrorism ,but because of the mindset of Robert Spencer ,,who is predetermined and programmed to label anything that involves Islam as terrorism… That’s why he needs to check his state of mind ,with the psychiatric .because he is not Normal.
J Morgan says
Abusing a dog in speech as an example is unfortunately very Islamic and just another indicator of the abusive, violent culture of Islam.
CogitoErgoSum says
Comparing Islam to a rabid dog has been done very aptly by Winston Churchill. Rabid dogs should be shot to stop the spread of the disease and, indeed. the carcass then either burned or buried very deeply to avoid further infection. I congratulate you for comparing Islam to a dog.
J Morgan says
Understood, CogitoErgoSum. Great quote by Churchill. To Kill A Mockingbird taught us that it is not abuse to kill a rabid dog. A rabid dog is dangerous and unfortunately for the dog, it is fatal. According to the American Humane Society: There is no cure for rabies, and it is almost always fatal. Once clinical signs occur, an infected animal usually dies within five days. Islam is like a rabid dog spreading death and life threatening mayhem everywhere it goes.
CogitoErgoSum says
Hey, I meant to respond to Ali, not you, J Morgan. Sorry for the mix-up. I hope Ali still gets the message.
somehistory says
iamil ali will never “get the message.” He is too stupid and ignorant…and arrogant in believing he is intelligent and smart…to “get” anything. He doesn’t even “get” that islam is a pile of rotted nonsense from centuries ago…as in ba’al worship, and before with Nimrod and the Tower of Babel… and it came straight from satan the devil.
He will never “get” the Truth because as Jesus says, “The Truth is not in him,’ nor is it in this ali guy who is replying without knowledge.
The Proverb says to “Answer a stupid person according to his stupidity,” and “Do not answer a stupid person according to his stupidity.” Little ali will never “get” that either.
He must be “little” because everything is whizzing by over his head.
James Lincoln says
Ismail Ali,
Again, thank you for demonstrating the thought process of a devout muslim. Very predictable thought patterns.
It definitely helps the cause here at Jihad Watch.
FYI says
@James Lincoln
Yes,islamic trolls do a great job defaming their islam and revealing to us how much hatred and contempt they have for ‘infidels’ which is not surprising given their koran’s supremacist religious apartheid system of koran 98;6:all non-muslims are the ‘WORST of created beings’.Note all the hate,the projection,the cogntive dissonance,constant reference to ‘psychiatric’:gives it away doesn’t it?
Ironically,most of the trolls who post here show us that it is THEY who appear to be the worst people:defending hitler,cursing Jews and Christians.But of course muslims don’t get Irony or Logic.Most of them have no knowledge of their koran.
“shukran gazilan” to these trolls;they make it easier for us.
Keep up defaming your islam muslim trolls!
gravenimage says
So true–these “defenders of Islam” just expose how vicious their creed really is.
Mike 2 says
When did a modern western country ever give in to terrorism? When did a population ever plead with its government to surrender to terrorism? If never, what is the point? Are terrorists simply mad? Tell me, Ali; I really want to know.
David says
ali would you feel terrorised if attacked, stabbed, throat cut whilst on your way home?
No Muzzies Here says
The UK is already allowing its new overlords to control minds and thoughts.
James Lincoln says
“Detectives quickly ruled out terrorism, saying there was “no suggestion” that it was a hate crime or that gangs were involved.”
As Frank Anderson would say “Deliberate ignorance constitutes knowledge of the truth.”
gravenimage says
+1
Michael Copeland says
There have been numerous multiple stabbings of unsuspecting pedestrians by muslim knife-wielders, some of whom shouted “Allahu Akbar!”, such as in Finland, France, and Austria.
British police cite the fact that the victims were random as indicating that this was not terrorism. They are wrong: there is no such easy conclusion available. Random killings are RECOMMENDED as acts of terrorism by Islamic State simply BECAUSE they are random: it enhances the terror aspect because it is unpredictable.
Random (terror) killings of kaffirs by a muslim are a straightforward example of Islamic terrorism. They are done in promotion of Islam’s political agenda, to humiliate, subdue, and terrorise the kaffir, making Islam dominant.
https://gatesofvienna.net/2020/02/islams-agenda-muslims-speak/
gravenimage says
So true, Michael.
Wellington says
To all who posted on this thread, including the clueless and very confused Ismail Ali (actually, especially this person), I have never come across a defense of Islam that meets even the lowest of expectations for something good and proper.
Christianity does. Judaism does. Hinduism does. Buddhism does. Skepticism of all religion even does. But Islam clearly does not.
Every time, no exceptions, that someone tries to defend Mohammedanism, it invariably results for me in a defense of something clearly not defensible at all.
You gettin’ any of this, Ismail Ali? Very likely not at all—but that is your problem and not mine.
gravenimage says
Excellent post.
James Lincoln says
+10
DavidR says
When people are left to fend for themselves while their protectors are aggressively hunting down the same people for naming the enemy. It’s all so turvy topsy.
gravenimage says
UK: Cops rule out terrorism in case of man who stabbed people at random, say attacker is ‘of Somali descent’
………………………..
All they mean is that they haven’t received a communique from ISIS. Utter denial of reality.
David says
100% correct
JamesC. says
When someone shouts “allahu akbar !” and then stabs someone in the neck, he may reasonably be supposed not to be interested in Star Wars.
Other admirers of Admiral Ackbar, or possibly of the Mogul Emperor Akbar, have shouted the same thing. Before attacking people.
There is a very decent probability that the Somali is indulging a spot of jihad, in order to destroy the fitna of the “crusaders” and mushriks and other kaffir “worst of mankind”. Presumably, like “the perfect man”, he hoped to be “made victorious through terror”.
Especially if he comes from a country with a population that is overwhelmingly Muslim.
Crusades Were Right says
If the UK “authorities” put as much effort into protecting CITIZENS as they do into protecting ISLAM then the UK would be a very safe country indeed!
andrew mckendrick says
The U.K. does not have citizens ,only subjects on their way to subjugation.
tim gallagher says
I don’t know what will turn out to be the truth in this case, but on the news on the radio this morning in Australia, a reporter from England said that the attacker had been arrested and is believed to be a schizophrenic. It did seem to take quite a long time to arrest this murderer. Who knows whether there is some Muslim angle being covered up or not. It seems to happen a lot, or, at least, there often seems to be a delay in coming clean about the motives for these murderous attacks.
JamesC. says
These attackers have a way of turning out to be “mentally ill” – so, no surprises there.
Phil Copson says
“We had an ongoing incident and didn’t really know at what point that would end.”
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What a helpless, hopeless comment: What a total lack of belief in the local police this remark betrays.
How could the police not find and shoot him inside two hours ? How can a town-centre not be able to rustle-up half-a-dozen people prepared to over-power the psychopathic short-arse ? and why was it local security staff, door-men etc who were alerting the pubs and clubs to the danger, and not the police ?
Student of History says
Having lived in the UK for nearly two decades before getting out, I know that the people there are not only conditioned to not round up a dozen and take out the terrorist (or any other murderous criminal) and the laws there would put that dozen people who safeguarded the public in SERIOUS jeopardy. It is simply not worth the risk.
As an aside, when I arrived about 20 years ago, I was delighted to live in the UK, but within 10 years it changed significantly for the worse and suddenly there were all these women wearing islamic garb – even burkas – as if someone had thrown a switch. Weird. It got worse from there, and where I live now, I see the same process repeating.
Has something to do with traitors in office and the UNs Compact on Global Migration it seems from what I have found out.
Rolf Wittwer says
Why it should not be permissible to claim that Islam has long been at war with the rest of the world?
The purpose is the conquest by all means – including violent – as the “Quran” and a lot of other documents commands. Pat Condell speaks in clear text – with reference to Europe – in the older, still highly topical video created on Sept. 7, 2017: “Europe is killing itself”.
A real eye-opener!
But obviously with no great result – as one can see once more again – Birmingham a dangerous Islamic hotspot!
By the way: Why “Muslim-victims” by “Muslim-Terror” do not convert in masses, organise themselves and fight back?
Jedothek says
A general comment: When someone tells you that some events are just “random,” it is time to start thinking for yourself. There is likely to be a pattern that those alleging randomness do not want to acknowledge.
Yohanan says
“The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.”― Confucius.
Spencer does great work to expose the obvious connection to jihad – Islamic supremacist genocidal terror.
UK is going the way of Birmingham…
Donalduk says
No sign of hate crime eh, well if you dont hate someone your pretty sure to not cut their throat, stab random folk, how can anyone say that unless wearing rose tinted glasses. Totally stupid statement from the rossers.