This is essentially a call to surrender and accept Sharia blasphemy laws, so as to avoid insulting the feelings of religious believers, and thereby remove the need for more killing. It is a bow to violent intimidation, which will only encourage more violent intimidation.
“Kremlin, after French attacks, says wrong to kill but wrong to insult religion too,” Reuters, October 29, 2020 (thanks to Robert):
MOSCOW (Reuters) – The Kremlin, commenting on recent beheading incidents in France, said on Thursday it was unacceptable to kill people, but also wrong to insult the feelings of religious believers.
The Kremlin was commenting after a knife-wielding attacker shouting “Allahu Akbar” beheaded a woman and killed two other people in a suspected terrorist attack at a church in the French city of Nice.
Avenger says
It looks like Russia is using the US game book on how to placate Muslims and foster sharia law.
gravenimage says
What? Where is the United States telling France that it is wrong to oppose Muslims beheading them? And where is the US fostering the imposition of Shari’ah law there?
In fact, President Trump has just expressed concern for both France and the US re Jihad terror attacks:
“Trump warns ‘horrifying attacks like in France’ will come to US if Biden elected as world shocked by church beheading”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13059672/trump-biden-elected-horrifying-attacks-france-beheading/
Avenger says
My apologies GI. I wasn’t thinking Trump he’s spot on, I thinking B Clinton, GW Bush and Obama. All three stooges didn’t stop and even accelerated the worldwide colonization of Islam.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Avenger.
J Morgan says
What about the religious feelings of the people in the church who were murdered while in their place of worship?? That is dangerous and foolish what the Kremlin said. More Muslimes will feel justified now in their constant attacks on the “non-believers.”
Chris says
That’s exactly what I thought!
gravenimage says
+1
Isaac Marshall says
Well, the Kremlin has just hurt my religious feelings in saying that, so where’s the objective standard to differentiate? Truth is, offence is taken, not given, so it’s irrelevant.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Isaac.
Mark says
Moscow is full of Chechens and other Muslims. I guess they are trying to keep a lid on things there. Short-sighted perhaps but understandable.
gravenimage says
Grimly true–and Moscow built the largest Mosque in Europe there a couple of years ago, with Putin, Erdogan, and Abbas at the dedication.
But no–this kind of appeasement is not understandable–it will instead just make things much worse.
CogitoErgoSum says
Which is worse: killing a man or insulting him? That is the question I have for the Kremlin. Does insulting a person’s religion, even unintentionally, deserve the death penalty? According to the Koran my very existence as an unbeliever in Islam and Allah deserves the death penalty. You Russians are okay with that? That is just ridiculous – unless your brain has been damaged by Islam – or maybe Communism. Russians never have been known for their unwavering defense of freedom of speech.
jewdog says
Well, they’re pals with Iran and Erdo. We aren’t dealing with idealists here.
Tim says
Being insulted doesn’t give you the right to kill somebody.
Naildriver says
I can see how Putin would like Islam, in it’s thuggish and male entitlement aspects.
That’s why it’s a danger in the USA as well, since plenty of men would embrace it who are currently conservative; but macho or threatened by feminism.
Already many black males haves embraced it who are felons in prisons — were it not problematic to embrace systems of those who are found contemptible a great many more white males would by now have embraced Islam — as they do in England and Scotland. Gingers I bet, tend to convert in the goals of Great Britian since Islam feeds the fantasies of the resentful and racist.
It is important to make progress in denouncing Islam and electing in politicians who denounce it, before society breaks up in these partisan squabbles, in such a way that permits Islam’s fungus like growth. Islam is also filling the vacuum left by communism’s fall, as Islam also appeals to the crude greedy nature of simple, uneducated people.
Avenger says
Seventy six percent of Russians identify themselves as Orthodox Christians. This statement from the Kremlin isn’t pro Islam – anti French at all. You can not defame Jesus Christ in art, comedy etc either in Russia. Contrast this to the EU and USA where Christians and Christianity is drug through the mud on television, social media, in the Arts and even in politics. Amy Barrett is considered flawed by one half of the US adult population because she might be “too Christian” to be an effective Supreme Court judge. This is also why Charlie Hebdo is not circulated in Russia as well. The magazine taunts Christians and Christianity non stop.
So all you Cold War stooges and ass kissing bidenites put blame where it belongs and that’s on the Wests kid glove handling of Islamic colonization.
gravenimage says
Avenger wrote:
Seventy six percent of Russians identify themselves as Orthodox Christians. This statement from the Kremlin isn’t pro Islam – anti French at all.
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The idea that if you say anything critical about the horrors of Islam that this is morally equivalent to Muslims beheading someone for daring to criticize Islam does indeed wind up being pro Islam–other Infidels are not behaving like this.
And do you *really* beleive that no one in Chechnya, which imposes Shari’ah law, is saying anything negative about Jesus? This is orthodox Islam, no matter what you might want to pretend here.
Russia is only semi-free at best, but this does not mean that it is not also threatened by Islam.
Avenger says
Chechnya has eight Russian orthodox churches along with Armenian and Ukrainian. About 40,000 people out of a population of 1,300,000 are Christian. The country is an oddity for Russia that it is governed by Shafi Sharia law.
I have never been to Chechnya but I think they may be more tolerant of Christians then presumed because the Christian population there hasn’t fluctuated much in the last 100 years.
gravenimage says
Avenger, are you *really* lauding Shari’ah law on Russian soil?
As for the claim that Christians and other Infidels are not threatened in Chechnya, here are a couple of grim stories:
“Russia: Muslims with guns and petrol bombs storm church, murder two police officers and a churchgoer”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/russia-muslims-with-guns-and-petrol-bombs-storm-church-murdering-two-police-officers-and-a-churchgoer
“Chechnya top dog: Jews “main enemy of Islam,” Muhammad “killed Jews more than any other people””
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/08/chechnya-top-dog-jews-main-enemy-of-islam-muhammad-killed-jews-more-than-any-other-people
In a speech Ramzan Kadyrov’s he referred to Christians as “Allah’s dogs”.
somehistory says
Equating murder with hurt feelings…only moslims are considered **worth*y* of this equality.
If a moslim woman got her feelings hurt by her moslim husband…probably a regular, daily event in moslim households, could she escape punishment if she killed him for his insults to her? No, of cur not. But if she killed an ‘infidel’ for insulting her, other moslims would praise her
he whole world…”lying in the power of the wicked one (satan),”… has gone completely mad/at bi
At no other time in mankind’s history have so many given such license to kill to a murderous bunch of losers… through outright lies, justification, excuses, pretense, and stupid unthinking remarks that panders to these killers.
Jesus said that the ‘nations would not be able to see or “know,” “a way out.”
…(Matthew 24)
Don McKellar says
I’m sure Putin laughed himself silly for a few minutes after issuing that statement. He has a very dark sense of humour.
vatoaz says
I agree. He won’t let radicals get out of line in Russia. He won’t allow it. He gets upset when his own citizens get out of line.
gravenimage says
Well, he’s been allowing Shari’ah law in Chechnya for many years now, so I’m not sure I’d count on that.
Boycott Turkey says
What a pathetic statement by the Gremlin they allowed Agia Sophia to be turned to a mosque and now they are letting Armenians get genocided by Turkey and NAZIbaijan funny how Russia didn’t care about Christian believers being insulted when Turkey turned Agia Sophia to a mosque and now it’s comparing killing to insulting Islam and they allowed Chechnya to be a sharia law state where killing homosexuals is ok and now they telling us to adopt blasphemy laws Putin is a traitor to Orthodoxy
OTTER says
Make the surrender official. It is not permitted to draw a caricature of Muhammad and if a Muslim kills you if you do, it’s not a crime.
Andrew says
I await with bated breath the words from Putin when muslims around the World insult my religion and attack me… So if I tell a muslim that I think his religion is very violent and then he attacks me very violently for saying that, is he a good muslim for proving my point?.
Fred van de Bunt says
The Kremlin is sort of right within the narrow context they give.
According to the penal code in European countries it is wrong to kill people deliberately, and this is punished with the highest penalty.
It is also wrong to hurt feelings, of (religions) people intentionally, which is a matter of decency.
So, to kill people deliberately, for a matter of decency, is punished in Europe with the highest penalty.
But for Islam to kill people deliberately, for a matter of (Islam) decency, is not punishable at all.
Michael Copeland says
Did it hurt the feelings of the scribes and Pharisees to be called “hypocrites” and “white-washed tombs”? Poor dears.
Did it hurt the feelings of the moneychangers in the Temple to have their tables overturned and to be referred to as “thieves”.
Perhaps there should be a law against it.
Michael Copeland says
What, exactly, Reuters, is a “suspected terrorist attack”?
Was it suspected IRA? Or Red Brigades? Bader-Meinhof? Basque Separatist? ETA? EOKA?
Come clean, now: the word “terrorist” is standing in for “Islamic”, but the reporters do not want to have their heads cut off. There we are: that makes it clear.
Aloha Akbar says
Says the country that is currently illegally persecuting & imprisoning Jehovahs Witnesses for their Christian faith.
Dan says
Kremlin on jihad attacks in France: It’s wrong to kill, but wrong also to insult feelings of religious believers
Yeah, well it’s WRONG-ER to kill someone just cause they insulted your religion.
By the way RUSSIA.
It’s also wrong to:
SUPPRESS THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, RELIGION, RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE, PETITION, THE PRESS.
and
SUPPRESS THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.
and
QUARTER TROOPS
And.
Oh.
You know.
The “Thing.”
JamesC. says
I think the Kremlin is correct. In principle.
But it is difficult to avoid offending the sensitivities of Muslims, when they do not reciprocate, but instead attack non-Muslims, Islam is an existential threat, no less so than Communism was and is, or than Nazism was.
I’m all for avoiding needless offence to people of other beliefs and convictions, but when Islam triess to bomb, behead, rape and enslave its way into non-Muslim societies, including one’s own, how can one simply allow it to do so ?
Most of the insult to which Muslims object is based on the ascertainable facts about early Islam. If Mohammed existed, but was a scoundrel, that is nobody’s fault but his. Non- Muslims cannot be expected to prettify and falsify the facts about him in order to avoid offending Muslims. It goes without saying – or it should – that this is not an anti-Muslim point: truthfulness is a duty regardless of the subject. Deliberate falsehood is detestable, and is all the worse when told for a good cause. If Islam cannot stand up to the full light of truth, that may well grieve Muslims, but it is no fault of non-Muslims.
gravenimage says
Yes–exposing the horrors of Islam is a good thing.
Steve Meikle says
when will the west GROW UP and realize that feelings have nothing to do with it.
Babies respond on the basis of feelings only. I thought the Kremlin had more sense than this. Or maybe it was an empty gesture to a supine and pampered West
any faith which responds in tears or vindictiveness because their feelings are hurt is not a good faith belief
if the west determines to continue down the path of emotional self indulgence it is committing suicide by choosing infantilism to agency and accountabi8lity.
Well, they can cry to their heart’s content from the piles of rubble and superstition their sloppy thinking will engender
gravenimage says
Good points, Steve.
Pal says
If it will be anti-Western, then Russia is ready to make a union with the Devil!
Cf.: Nazism – A. Hitler & Russia, 1939-1941 (in fact, 1920-1941)
A. Hitler in a way regretted Islam couldn’t overtake Europe and Germany thus making his country (nation) stronger, more aggressive and victorious. And “by means of” the German nation, Islam to be more successful in its international conquests.
https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Table-Talk-1941-1944-Conversations/dp/1929631057
But Russia – it will be the one most probably overtaken by Islam. Thus fulfilling Hitler’s-type dream!
Russia will be one-third Muslim in 15 years
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/05/russia-will-be-one-third-muslim-in-15-years-chief-mufti-predicts-a64706
gravenimage says
Kremlin on jihad attacks in France: It’s wrong to kill, but wrong also to insult feelings of religious believers
…………………
Despite the beliefs of a lot of people that Russia is tough on Jihad, we have actually seen a great deal of this bowing to the diktats of Islam from both Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church–I am sad to see it. In fact, Russia has allowed Chechnya to impose Shari’ah, right on Russian soil.
Hermes says
Maybe the right wingers who idolize putin the thug will come to their senses.
Jeanette Victoria says
Did the Kremlin really say that or is Reuters just twisting what was really said….I do not believe a word the US media writes about anything.
gravenimage says
Nice try–here’s Al Jazeera reporting the same:
“Russia’s Kremlin said it was unacceptable to kill people, but also wrong to insult the feelings of religious believers.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/29/how-the-world-reacted-to-deadly-nice-attack
And Reuters is not American–it is based in the UK.
Jeanette Victoria says
I found it. FYI I happen to find CharlieHebdo absolutely disgusting that doesn’t mean I think anyone should be murdered.
https://vse42.ru/news/31448518
gravenimage says
This is true.
Jeanette Victoria says
Ok I’ve done a search on major Russian papers and can find no such statement the Kremlin or Putin.
Pal says
Here, from Kremlin, with love, Oct 29, 2020:
D. Peskov, Kremlin & Putin’s jester:
“In Russia, it is not possible an edition such as Charlie Hebdo to appear and to exist.”
“Unequivocally, to insult feelings of religious believers is wrong, at the same time to kill
is wrong/ inadmissible too. Absolutely.” He underlined.
https://tass.ru/politika/9848853
gravenimage says
Thanks for that link, Pal.
James Lincoln says
So, the feature article said:
“The Kremlin… said… it was unacceptable to kill people, but also wrong to insult the feelings of religious believers.”
I’m not sure what they are really saying.
Are they saying that both actions are equal in degree of criminality?
For example, could they have also said:
“it was unacceptable to kill people but also wrong to” throw, say, a candy wrapper on the sidewalk?
Lt Mason says
I am “insulted” and deeply offended by Kremlin; still I would not kill for the “insult”.
SJ says
Well, the Russians give in to political correctness because they are unable to keep a lid in their Chechen problem.
SJ says
^ on their
Correcting typo
DavidR says
Freedom qualified is government.