Once again we get the same mind-numbing denial and willful ignorance we always see after jihad attacks. My latest in FrontPage:
It happened again on Friday: a Muslim migrant from Chechnya, screaming “Allahu akbar,” beheaded a schoolteacher, Samuel Paty, on a street in a Paris suburb for the crime of showing cartoons of Muhammad to his students. The response to this gruesome jihad murder has been as predictable, and dreary, and drearily predictable, as one might expect.
In response to the murder, French President Emmanuel Macron said: “This battle is ours and it is existential. They will not pass. Obscurantism and the violence that goes with it will not win. They will not divide us. That’s what they seek and we must stand together.”
This sounds great on the first hearing. That’s the idea. But in reality, “They will not divide us” is a statement that is designed to reassure Muslims in France. Macron is saying that he will do nothing to “divide” the supposedly happily united French people. What would “divide” them? Well, something like scrutinizing the Islamic death penalty for blasphemy and challenging Muslim leaders in France to repudiate it explicitly and declare their support for the freedom of speech, and to demonstrate their sincerity by instituting programs in mosques and Islamic schools in France to teach against Sharia blasphemy laws and emphasize the importance of the freedom of speech. That would “divide us.” Macron is saying it won’t happen, as expected.
Meanwhile, according to the Telegraph, “Jean-Luc Mélenchon, head of the far-Left party, Unbowed France, said: ‘Horrible crime in Conflans! In fact, the assassin takes himself for the god that he claims he follows. He is sullying religion. And he is inflicting on us all the hell of having to live with murderers like him.’”
Jean-Luc Mélenchon, like so many non-Muslims who assure us that Islam is the most peaceful, benign and cuddly of religions, clearly has no clue about what Islam actually teaches.
Islam mandates death for non-Muslim subjects of the Islamic state who mention “something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o11.10), and such laws are based upon passages in the Hadith and Sira in which Muhammad orders the murders of people who have insulted him.
These include Abu Afak, who was over one hundred years old, and the poetess Asma bint Marwan. Abu Afak was killed in his sleep, in response to Muhammad’s question, “Who will avenge me on this scoundrel?” Similarly, Muhammad on another occasion cried out, “Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan?” One of his followers, Umayr ibn Adi, went to her house that night, where he found her sleeping next to her children. The youngest, a nursing babe, was in her arms. But that didn’t stop Umayr from murdering her and the baby as well. Muhammad commended him: “You have done a great service to Allah and His Messenger, Umayr!” (Ibn Ishaq, 674-676)
Then there was Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf. Muhammad asked: “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” One of the Muslims, Muhammad bin Maslama, answered, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” When Muhammad said that he would, Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab).” Muhammad responded: “You may say it.” Muhammad bin Maslama duly lied to Ka’b, luring him into his trap, and murdered him. (Sahih Bukhari, volume 5, book 59, number 369)
Likewise, the popular fatwa website Islam QA used to call for death for blasphemers, using both Qur’an and Hadith to make its argument, although now it has removed this. “The scholars are unanimously agreed,” the site explained, “that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) becomes a kaafir [unbeliever] and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others.”
In light of all that, what this migrant did Friday is not in the least out of the ordinary, or unexpected.
When is France, and when is the West in general, going to recognize the danger that mass Muslim migration without any attempt at assimilation poses for the freedom of speech and other aspects of a free society? Note that Paty invited Muslim students to leave the room before showing the Muhammad cartoons. He was beheaded anyway. His crime, as far as his attacker was concerned, was daring to show the cartoons at all, even if the tender eyes of Muslim students were not assaulted by this blasphemy. The Islamic supremacist demand is that all people, Muslim and non-Muslim, in non-Muslim as well as in Muslim countries, bow to Islamic law.
The West is eventually going to have to decide whether it is going to do so, or defend free society. So far it has gotten along by pretending that the conflict doesn’t exist and that the showdown will never come. Samuel Paty is dead today because of that pretense. At a certain point, France is going to have to choose between the freedom of expression and Sharia blasphemy laws. Which it will choose is anyone’s guess, but in Sweden police are already hunting down people who burned the Qur’an, and the social media giants are increasingly open about their silencing of all dissidents from their hard-Left agenda, so the overall prognosis for free societies is not good.
Saydalii says
Interesting that Samuel’s name can be translated to obey God. Yet he was murdered by a muslim who no doubt thought he was doing just that.
mortimer says
No quite … Shemu-el means either ‘name of God’ or ‘heard of God’.
Of key importance here is that the Muslim assassin ‘heard’ the words of the Sharia law punishment for blasphemers, he believed in Sharia and carried it out. He is now a hero to other pious Muslims.
Islam is hereby seen to be a death cult … at least to anybody with the ability to put two and two together.
The assassin used the authentic Islamic playbook of Sharia law.
mortimer says
typo: ‘not quite’
jirtu says
The list of 37,947 terrorist attacks you cite is not complete. These are the known ones. How many more were not listed as such because the authorities failed to identify the terrorists or decided the criminal was mentally unbalanced and thus not a terrorist.
gravenimage says
Yes–no doubt the number of Jihad terror attacks worldwide are even higher.
11B40 says
Greetings:
I still get some of my TV news from the France24 English-language broadcasts, in particular its “The Debate” segment hosted by M. François Picard. This mornings debate focused on the latest Islamic gift to La Republique.
It was well put together. The designated Muslim ameliorator, in a carefully knotted tie and v-neck sweater worrying for all the “good” Muslims in France and deeply troubled by the government’s inability to prevent the atrocity. The father of a victim of a previous Islamic attack, and now the head of the required 21st Century “foundation”, was there to promote education as the key to unity and comity. There were a couple of academics, both well practiced at straddling tricky fences and offending virtually no one.
Neither “the kuffar should feel himself subdued” nor “strike at the neck of the kuffar” intruded on the 30-40 minutes of discussion.
gravenimage says
Sadly, no surprise there.
Lavéritétriomphera says
@11B40,
Jean Messiha, political lieutenant of Marine Le Pen’s parti refuses to distinguish between Islam and islamism https://youtu.be/U2P0ia0-2Xs.
b.a. freeman says
Lavéritétriomphera, there *IS* no such distinction. if one accepts islam, one accepts muhammed as the al-insam al-kamil (perfect man) and therefore the uswa hasana (the model of conduct for all muslims), and also accepts the quran as the direct word of allah (nothing written in it as being spoken by a human) and the sunnah as stories of the behavior of muhammed. thus, one must accept abrogation of revelations in the quran (see quran 2:106) and do everything that muhammed did in the sunnah. since the sunnah tells us in at least 3 places (sahih al bukhari 9:84:57; sahih al bukhari book 52:260; sahih al bukhari book 83:17) that it is OK to kill a muslim who leaves islam, and allah himself tells us in quran 9:5 to kill non-muslims (in ambush, yet), how can anybody with knowledge of the brain-disease cult deny that killing a kuffar is not only acceptable, but EXPECTED?
gravenimage says
Good for Marine Le Pen!
peter says
Exactly ,like distinguishing between theft and thief.
mortimer says
Thanks to 11B40 for that report. The Muslim host (animateur) whitewashed authentic Islam for the ignorant among his audience, knowing that most have not studied Sharia law blasphemy laws.
Punishment of Blasphemers from Sharia manual Reliance of the Traveller’:
“The (DHIMMI) agreement is also violated (A: with respect to the offender alone) if the state has stipulated that any of the following things break it, and one of the subjects does so anyway, though if the state has not stipulated that these break the agreement, then they do not; namely, if one of the subject people:
-5- mentions something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam.” – Reliance of the Traveller’ Chapter ‘O’ 11.10.05.
Sharia permits anyone to kill those who verbally oppose Islam, since they are at war with Islam:
“There is no indemnity obligatory for killing a non-Muslim (harbi) at war with Muslims.” -Reliance of the Traveller, o4.17, p.593
“We have already discussed killing the person who, with intent, curses the Prophet, belittles him or slights him in any way. The judgement in this case is clear.” (i.e. death) – Qadhi Iyaadh in ash-Shifa, Volume No.2, Page No. 27
b.a. freeman says
thanks for the quote from ash-Shifa (the book of healing … *not* a medical book), mortimer. it’s probably not well-known that avicenna (ibn sina) was not as cuddly as the left likes to make out.
+1
gravenimage says
Thank you, Mortimer.
Emilie Green says
A set of images that depicts exactly what Robert is saying,
http://www.parsonrob.com/uploads/1/2/1/6/12161577/emergency-plan_orig.jpg
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Emile. I’ve seen this cartoon before–all too accurate.
James Lincoln says
Emilie Green,
First time I’ve seen this – surprisingly accurate cartoon.
The definition of insanity…
FYI says
And of course,along with the candlelight vigils, that fraudulent ‘interfaith’ ‘prayer’ show with the usual naive smiley Christian clergymen{who are CURSED in the koran for believing in Jesus Christ koran 9:30}and the Rabbi{one of those people,the Jews,the koran insists are ‘to be despised and hated’ koran 2:65}
Perhaps the Rabbi and the Priests think they worship the same god as the muslims.
But we are not all children of allah due to allah’s APARTHEID SYSTEM that classifies infidels as inferior to muslims{koran 98:6},the muslims considering themselves to be superior to infidels and ‘the best community that hath been raised up for mankind’ {koran 3:110}
Since all infidels are classified as ‘the WORST of created beings’ {koran 98:6}that includes any Lefties,any politicians:the very fools who keep insisting we need more islamic immigration{which of course makes things much worse:more antisemitism,more antichristianity,more crime,more rape,more murders of innocent….more candlelight vigils}
Anyway,allah doesn’t approve of muslims being friendly towards infidels{koran 5:51} but muslims won’t tell the Rabbi/the Priests that of course.
allah is so antisocial he teaches that any muslim who befriends an infidel becomes an infidel{koran 5:51}and you cannot have ‘interfaith’ with muslims when they CURSE Christians[and Jews} in their koran and in their fatiha ‘prayers’.
muslims will ALWAYS be dissembling and lying to promote the religion of ‘peace’
Sam says
Just a tiny note:
The Islamic Quran is 90% a photo copy of the Jewish Torah … you can say that the Quran is an internationalised Torah, and translated into another language called Arabic.
Also, Allah is an Arabic term that means GOD in English… that’s all, all religions worship a supreme entity they call a GOD in their own language … Christians of the Arab world call their God as ALLAH , the same applies to Arab Jews…
b.a. freeman says
funny thing, that. i’ve read, although not confirmed, that the nonsense words in the quran (about every fifth arabic word in the quran doesn’t mean anything in arabic, either modern or classical arabic) might actually be syriac words, and that 90% to which U refer might be from a syriac christian liturgical document.
FYI says
And yet the koran does not conform to the Laws given in that Torah.
‘allah’ missed both the purpose and the meaning of the Laws given.
Thus allah cannot be the same as the God of the Torah.By giving freedom to violate the Laws given, that defeats the purpose of the Law being given in the first place.
It cannot be that ‘allah’ is merely an Arab version of the same God revealed in the Bible.
Logically and Theologically that is quite impossible.
‘allah’ is an Arab counterfeit and the Quran was written by plagiarizing parts of the Bible,Jewish sources and Arab tales.
gravenimage says
The dishonest “Sam” wrote:
Just a tiny note:
The Islamic Quran is 90% a photo copy of the Jewish Torah … you can say that the Quran is an internationalised Torah, and translated into another language called Arabic.
Also, Allah is an Arabic term that means GOD in English… that’s all, all religions worship a supreme entity they call a GOD in their own language … Christians of the Arab world call their God as ALLAH , the same applies to Arab Jews…
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Ah, yes–just like the Torah, save for all those exhortations to force everyone to submit to Islam through violence, and to slaughter them if they do not do so.
As for “Allah”, this can indeed just be another name for God–this is how Arabic-speaking Christians use the term.
But the Islamic conception of the savage “Allah” could not be more different from the loving Christian God–and indeed includes such horrors as beheading “blasphemers”, as here.
Notice, too, that “Sam” here says nothing against his coreligionist murdering this poor teacher.
gravenimage says
Muslim Beheads Man on French Street, and Here We Go Again
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Yes–both horrifying and depressing to see the predictable dhimmi reaction from most.
Sam says
Do you even know what’s the real meaning of ” dhimmi”, I mean DHIMMI ?
You guys, and perhaps girls, and here I must say that girls are smarter than boys, you guys are very silly, programmed and brainwashed creatures, you believe in history ( his-story), .
Anyway, the term DHIMMAH, means CONCIOUSNESS, and a non Muslim who lives in an Islamic state is a DHIMMI , which means an individual who is to be treated kindly and with dignity in accordance with the human consciousness.
I’m no Muslim, I just believe in honesty and justice for all, and I can see clearly that most of the hateers of Muslims are governed by fake knowledge that has been, and is being built by the satanic forces who engaged humanity in an endless bloodbath using ideologies such as religions, political and economic ideologies such as communism, socialism etc … , most musl8ms hate non Muslims, Christian hate Muslims, Hindus think that Muslims and Christians are silly, vice versa is the same…. etc etc etc … so again I say, get out of the BOX and start using your brain the right way ….
😁 one of you said that I’m a stupid man, wellll😎, so here is a tiny note, I have to marriages, from each I have one officially recognized genious, my first born is one of the top international 10% … so I’m not a silly man😎 … and, English is not my first, nor second, nor 3rd language…
b.a. freeman says
OK, now we know. Sam, who says he isn’t a muslim but probably is, writes lies here in order to deceive people. unfortunately for him, most of the posters here *do* know islam, and will not be fooled by his lies.
i will accept that his progeny might be geniuses, and that he may well not be stupid. it is doubtful that *any* leading pious muslim is stupid, because they are masters of manipulation. being knowledgeable in a given field, or in manipulating one group of people, is no guarantee that one may be knowledgeable in another field, or in manipulating people of another group. thus, sam incorrectly assumes that his insults (“get out of the BOX and start using your brain”) will cause us to reconsider our – to him – obviously uninformed opinions.
Sam, did U know that muhammed (may pig feces fill his mouth forever) is considered the al-insan al-kamil and uswa hasana of islam? the former phrase means “perfect man,” and the second phrase means “model of conduct.” this means that muslms need to do what muhammed did – even in such trivial matters as cleaning one’s teeth. were U unaware that IS stopped traffic in mosul and other iraqi cities they controlled in order to hand out miswak sticks so that muslims could clean their teeth like muhammed did? the reason i mention this is that truly pious muslims do what the quran and sunnah command. have U not read quran 33:21 (indeed in the messenger of allah (muhammad) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the meeting with) allah and the last day and remembers allah much.)? there are also quran 68:4, quran 4:80, sahih al bukhari 89:251, and sahih al bukhari 92:384. this means that a pious muslim should – indeed, *MUST* – do what muhammed would do. thus, to see how a pious muslim should behave, let’s take a look at what muhammed DID do during his life.
muhammed
– owned slaves, traded in slaves, gave slaves as gifts, owned
concubines (a nice word for “sex slave”);
– called black people “raisin heads;”
– killed unarmed farmers whom he ambushed;
– killed all the men of a group of jews who had surrendered to
him, selected sex slaves from the women, and sold all the
women and children whom he did not rape into slavery;
– allowed his followers to rob caravans and kill the people in
the caravan;
– contracted hits on people whom he didn’t like;
– allowed muslims to lie if it benefits allah, islam, or muhammed;
– told his companions (the first musliims) to kill anybody who
left islam;
– told his followers that muslims are the best of people, that
non-muslims are the worst of *ALL* creatures.
therefore, we should expect pious muslims to rape infidel women and children, kill infidel men, sell infidels into slavery (especially sex slavery), hate black people and use them for slaves, lie to infidels in order to ambush and kill them, rob infidels (especially after killing them), and to kill apostates. keep in mind that absolutely *NOTHING * is known about muhammed except for what is in islamic scripture; i didn’t just make up this stuff. i hate the brain-diseased cult of islam – NOT muslims – because of its evil effects on people. i do NOT hate people of any religion, and to the best of my knowledge, no other religion is a cult like the gangsta cult of islam.
if U are not a muslim *AND* are willing to subjugate yourself to people who are more than willing to kill U and rape your wife and children, then have at it. if U are not a muslim, then i recommend that U get access to a translation of the quran and a book of sharia, such as “umdat al-salik wa uddat al-nasik” (“the reliance of the traveler and tools of the worshiper”); it would also help to get access to the sunnah; the 6 sunni books of sunnah can be found in sahih al bukhari, sahih musliim, sunan abu dawud, jami al-tirmidhi, sunan al-sughra by al-nasai’i, and sunan ibn majah (the 4 books of shi’ite sunnah are az-zaidiyyah, al-ithna-‘ashriyyah, al-ja’fariyyah, and az-zaheriyyah, but i know less about them … except that they almost completely echo the sunni sunnah). of the books of the sunni sunnah, the most important are the sahih (most reliable) collections of al bukhari and his student, muslim. finally, keep in mind that the surat of the quran are usually published in rough order from shortest to longest surah rather then chronologically, and that in quran 2:102, allah tells muslims that if 2 or more revelations clash, the latest-revealed is what muslims should obey. oddly enough, most of the latest revelations – the ones revealed while muhammed was in yathrib – are the most viiolent. fifnally, if U *ARE* a muslim, i ask U to check your scriptures rather than just taking what your imam says
i refuse to submit, and will fight the gangsta cult until either the hard-core left or the ummah kill me for mouthing off. i’m an old fart by now, but once civilization begins to collapse, i will nevertheless use arms to defend my family, my community, and myself. if U are not muslim, i wish U well in the coming civil war in the western nation in which U presumably live.
b.a. freeman says
oops – i forgot to note that as long as muhammed lived, 20% of all the “booty” (the english word selected by muslim translators of the quran and sunnah – not by me) from muslim raids. i have forgotten, so perhaps Sam can remind me, how much of the loot Jesus allowed His followers to keep.
GreekEmpress says
He states that a non-Muslim who lives in an Islamic State is a Dhimmi, which means an individual who is to be treated kindly and with dignity in accordance with the human consciousness.
And yet, see how the Copts are treated.
FYI says
@B.A freeman
To be one of the ‘top international 10%’ certainly does not qualify one to be a genius.
It is nothing to boast about!So what if one is in the ‘top 10%’?Big deal!
You would most likely have to be in the top 1% for it to be impressive.
{ I know a guy who has THREE Ph.Ds which is amazing but then he really,really likes studying}
And an MBA doesn’t mean much these days.
{I subscribe to the Socratic idea that I assume I know nothing:I have a few ‘certs’ from a few universities but I actually prefer Wisdom to Knowledge.In fact I don’t really believe in the idea of a genius because I believe God{the Judeo-Christian God} gives people such talents.’allah’ doesn’t seem to give his ‘scholars’ such gifts}
Girls are not necessarily smarter than boys:That is sexist feminist nonsense.
I don’t believe that sexist garbage:my nephews and nieces all graduated from their colleges this {difficult} year and ALL did very well in their chosen subjects and will go on to be postgraduates.
This men vs women nonsense is silly.
A wise man or woman can see that.
gravenimage says
The Taqiyya-spewing “Sam” wrote:
Do you even know what’s the real meaning of ” dhimmi”, I mean DHIMMI ?
You guys, and perhaps girls, and here I must say that girls are smarter than boys, you guys are very silly, programmed and brainwashed creatures, you believe in history ( his-story), .
Anyway, the term DHIMMAH, means CONCIOUSNESS, and a non Muslim who lives in an Islamic state is a DHIMMI , which means an individual who is to be treated kindly and with dignity in accordance with the human consciousness.
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More bald-faced lies. Here is the definition of “dhimma”:
Unadapted borrowing from Arabic ذِمَّة (ḏimma, “protection, custody”), from ذَمَّ (ḏamma, “to blame”)
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dhimma
As for the claim that these Infidels in the custody of the Islamic State are treated with kindness, here is the original dhimma contract, the Pact of Umar, which I include in full here:
We heard from ‘Abd al-Rahman ibn Ghanam [died 78/697] as follows: When Umar ibn al-Khattab, may God be pleased with him, accorded a peace to the Christians of Syria, we wrote to him as follows:
In the name of God, the Merciful and Compassionate. This is a letter to the servant of God Umar [ibn al-Khattab], Commander of the Faithful, from the Christians of such-and-such a city. When you came against us, we asked you for safe-conduct (aman) for ourselves, our descendants, our property, and the people of our community, and we undertook the following obligations toward you:
We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries, Churches, convents, or monks’ cells, nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such of them as fall in ruins or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims.
We shall keep our gates wide open for passersby and travelers. We shall give board and lodging to all Muslims who pass our way for three days.
We shall not give shelter in our churches or in our dwellings to any spy, nor bide him from the Muslims.
We shall not teach the Qur’an to our children.
We shall not manifest our religion publicly nor convert anyone to it. We shall not prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it.
We shall show respect toward the Muslims, and we shall rise from our seats when they wish to sit.
We shall not seek to resemble the Muslims by imitating any of their garments, the qalansuwa, the turban, footwear, or the parting of the hair. We shall not speak as they do, nor shall we adopt their kunyas.
We shall not mount on saddles, nor shall we gird swords nor bear any kind of arms nor carry them on our- persons.
We shall not engrave Arabic inscriptions on our seals.
We shall not sell fermented drinks.
We shall clip the fronts of our heads.
We shall always dress in the same way wherever we may be, and we shall bind the zunar round our waists
We shall not display our crosses or our books in the roads or markets of the Muslims. We shall use only clappers in our churches very softly. We shall not raise our voices when following our dead. We shall not show lights on any of the roads of the Muslims or in their markets. We shall not bury our dead near the Muslims.
We shall not take slaves who have been allotted to Muslims.
We shall not build houses overtopping the houses of the Muslims.
(When I brought the letter to Umar, may God be pleased with him, he added, “We shall not strike a Muslim.”)
We accept these conditions for ourselves and for the people of our community, and in return we receive safe-conduct.
If we in any way violate these undertakings for which we ourselves stand surety, we forfeit our covenant [dhimma], and we become liable to the penalties for contumacy and sedition.
Umar ibn al-Khittab replied: Sign what they ask, but add two clauses and impose them in addition to those which they have undertaken. They are: “They shall not buy anyone made prisoner by the Muslims,” and “Whoever strikes a Muslim with deliberate intent shall forfeit the protection of this pact.”
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/pact-umar.asp
It is *quite* obvious that dhimmis are second-class citizens here, and that their situation is precarious at best. Add to this the crushing Jizya tax, intended to humiliate unbelievers, and the fact that anyone breaking this contract can be murdered outright–along with others in the Infidel community, even if they had nothing to do with it.
Just look at the history of the brutal treatment of dhimmis throughout history–as well as in the Muslim world today, even if it is too impolitic to have formal dhimma at this time. Non-Muslims are persecuted and murdered all the time in places like Pakistan, Egypt, and Nigeria.
A good place to start is Bat Ye’or’s book, “Islam and dhimmitude”.
By the way, I’m female–does that mean that “Sam” will respect the truth from me? I wouldn’t count on it..,.
More:
I’m no Muslim, I just believe in honesty and justice for all, and I can see clearly that most of the hateers (sic) of Muslims are governed by fake knowledge that has been, and is being built by the satanic forces…
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What claptrap–“Sam” cares *nothing* about honesty–he just hopes to whitewash this foul creed. It seems unlikely that he is not Muslim, given that all he does here is try to distract from the horrors of Islam like this beheading of a man who dares to assert freedom of speech in the face of Islamic savagery.
Ecosse1314 says
Just an aside…history does not come from ” his story” but from the greek meaning finding out or narrative.
gravenimage says
Quite so, Ecosse–there was so much bs in “Sam’s” post, I didn’t even get around to debunking this ludicrous assertion of his.
infidel says
One more ghastly crime by Islam and Muslims on humanity will be washed away by the LEFT and another even more ghastlier crime of jehaad is just hatching round the corner in another democracy near U …
Fred van de Bunt says
The present conviction of academics in Western Europe is that one can knead society with laws.
These academics believe that traditions, values and believes can be made by their laws, and that laws are not mere codifications of the traditions, values and believes in society.
Western European academics do not see any problem in mass immigration of adherents to Islam and its sharia laws, since these (law) academics can knead Islam at their will.
In essence these (law) academics carry a type of supremacist thinking too, I am afraid of.
Giacomo Latta says
Democracy: a type of supremacist thinking. Well, that’s the first time I’ve heard it described as that but given the numerous muslim apologists to this website I fully expect to hear it again.
ManchesterLad says
I can’t see the poster is making any reference to ‘democracy’ as being supremacist. It is academia being referred to, and in particular the leftist academics (the majority of them, as far as I see). Leftists have supremacist tendencies, certainly.
They think they are superior to non-leftists. Even worse, they believe that ‘the means justifies the end’ … it does not really matter who suffers now due to their policies as they have the key to the future utopia.
So plenty of similarities to Islam.
Jayell says
“The West is eventually going to have to decide whether it is going to (bow to islamic law), or defend free society.”
Absolutely right, but I would perhaps change that to ‘defend civilised society’ or even ‘civilisation’. It really is astounding that damning evidence of the primeval nature of islam and the criminally destructive intent of its adherents has been staring people in the face in Europe for some decades now, yet, like terminally deluded cock-eyed optimists, they continue to insist on showing normal civilised respect for a ‘religion’ that (a) patently shows no respect for anyone/anything else and (b) not only fails to conform to the philosophical standards of a bona fide ‘religion’ according to informed Western values, but also manifests all the evidence in its history of being a deliberate, cynical fraud from the very start. It’s also quite amazing that the disciples of islam, the imams and islamic apologists, are apparently accorded respectful deference in the establishments and media when they are clearly heard to articulate (if that’s the right word!) little more than crudely plagiarised, illogical, antediluvian gibberish; one wouldn’t install a dubiously ‘qualified’ advocate of medieval alchemy into a position of authority at one of our prime scientific institutions, so why do the advocates of islam have any place in our societies?
When Hitler’s troops were driven out of Paris, I believe that the Fuhrer vowed to devastate the place and destroy Notre Dame Cathedral in his wake. He never quite got round to it, but the muslims have certainly made a mess of Notre Dame and a bit more. And I don’t recall any stories of Nazi troops decapitating any Parisians for insulting the Fuhrer. It seems like the French establishment as a collective short memory.
Michael,B,Budinger says
There is a reason our elites want third world religion (islam here ) Look at the 1922 Coudenhove Kalergi Plan, which is to replace white working class with brown people, because our elites think they can control them easier.
What we are seeing is the extermination of the white working class, by muslims. This is also part of the New world Order,as already requested by the islamic controlled United Nations.
Fred van de Bunt says
One teacher that teaches “societal knowledge” said yesterday in a Dutch TV program that she is adherent of “free speech”, but that one should not hurt feelings.
Now that she has children herself, she became more careful.
Nowadays she first contacts the (Muslim) parents, if she can teach a subject, since she admits having children and she has to be more careful.
I think she just should look for advice in the Quran, so she can live without fear under sharia law rule.
Maybe it is even better to let the imam take care of the lessons in the Dutch madrasas.
Demsci says
Good post, Fred. Peter R de Vries, an otherwise courageous man, also found it unnecessary + wrong to hurt Muslims feelings.
Such people don’t understand how freedom of speech (FOS) is supposed to work. They don’t see that exceptions to the FOS gives advantage in this case to Islam, because all other religions and parties and persons can and will be ridiculed, and by Muslims too.
Giacomo Latta says
So freakin’ what?
Giacomo Latta says
Sorry to disturb your peaceful mental meanderings but I think it is you who should seek advice in the koran. Not that I feel you should be ”killing them where you find them”, ”strike them” (arrogant wives) and much, much more, (Whoops! Would a spoiler alert be too late now?) but you are truly so ignorant of its contents that must call you a total ignoramus. Do you like Shakespeare? I suggest you read his works first before you start keyboarding.
This may come as quite a shock for you but the law rarely gives a rat’s ass about anyone’s feelings. Did you just witness someone picking his nose? Oh, my goodness, say it ain’t so! Quick, off to the local police station then over to your lawyer’s. You are responsible for your own feelings not someone else.
gravenimage says
Caving in the the demands of Islam of course does *nothing* to keep our children safer.
Maximilian Jehuda Ewert says
With the exception of Trump all leaders western countries, clearly the EU have already decided to bow to Islamic rule.Even communist China ( the OIC agreed to all contracts, because China does neither criticize the islamic scripture, nor the self declared prophesy Mohammed.They just kill Muslims)
b.a. freeman says
actually, Max, the approach of the CCP in china is actually merciful by commie standards. when the commies first took over china, they “accidentally” killed about 35 or 40 million people. had the uighurs given them trouble back in those days, the commies would have just killed them all, which would only have upped the death toll to by 10-13 million (what’s a million or so bodies among comrades?). today, the CCP monitors all uighur mosques, laser-inscribes all commercial knives and cleavers with the name of the purchaser and owner, and puts troublemakers and their families into “re-education” camps. that’s pretty benign by commie standards. in order to speed up the process of “assimilation,” the CCP removes very young children of troublemakers from their parents and has them adopted by “acceptable” people in remote provinces (read: CCP members first, then highly-compiant non-commies). the parents and older siblings *might* get out of the camps, but will go back in for much longer periods if they continue to misbehave, while the youngsters will never be seen by them again, and will likely grow up to be good little commies. it’s an abhorrent approach, but it will likely work – much the same as stalin’s approach of killing 1 out of every 7 or so people to ensure that *everybody* was *always* afraid, and feared the state. uncle joe’s approach was truly horrific, but it worked, and that’s the only criteria that socialist states – either fascist or commie – use to gauge success.
thus, i don’t think that china is failing to handle the uighur situation in the same fashion that leaders of western nations are failing; they just are using the same strict standard that they used at the beginning of commie china.
b.a. freeman says
sigh … Yet Another typo:
“… they just are using the same strict standard …”
should be
“… they just areN’T using the same strict standard …”
Demsci says
David Wood volunteered to give lessons in FOS (Freedom Of Speech) in France, Because they are mandatory in France (and should be in every democracy). But of course we can’t now force teachers to give FOS-lessons WITH the cartoons of M. But these are now more than ever essential.
So let governments look for specialized vetted FOS-teachers who DARE give the lessons, WITH these cartoons, who are well protected, who can travel the land to all the schools to deliver the FOS-lessons.
There now DO exist brave souls who dare do that!
mortimer says
Robert Spencer makes a key point: ““They will not divide us” is a statement that is designed to reassure Muslims in France. Macron is saying that he will do nothing to “divide” the supposedly happily united French people.”
Indeed, Macron is speaking to his Muslim supporters who realize that Macron is the best president for Muslims … they can count on Macron not to excite any REAL KNOWLEDGE of Islam.
Macron will continue the absurd and irresponsible lie that Islam is benign.
OLD GUY says
So vary Sad that these muslim/islamic people are so ignorant as to kill another human for showing a cartoon picture. The muslim/islamic followers should not be allowed to migrate into christian western countries. They cannot deal with the idea of freedom of speech and press.
Martin says
French MPs hold minute of silence in homage to beheaded teacher
b.a. freeman says
it would only have been believable if they had all help up cartoons of muhammed.
gravenimage says
+1
Martin says
Beheading blowback | Ordinary French Muslims are afraid of police raids
b.a. freeman says
strangely, Martin, the reporter never says anything about “islamophobia” being bogus, nor anything pointing out that the islamic god allah hate kuffars, nor that kuffars are the worst of created beings. the State is only targeting those who are dangerous, not all muslims, but because all muslims also believe that they are the best of peoples, any raid on any muslim is automatically an attack by the worst of creatures (worse than the worst of peoples) on the ummah.
i guess this RT report is all we can expect from russia. mr. putin no doubt wants the u.s. to collapse, so maybe *that* is why islam isn’t called out; if americans aren’t told about islam by rt.com, nor by our own media, then our destruction may continue apace.
gravenimage says
I predicted that Muslims would soon be whining that the were afraid of the mean Infidels–even though they were the ones beheading victims. Of course, this was entirely predictable…
Sam says
This whole incident is a false flag operation (crime).
Both the Chechen teenager and the poor French teacher were murdered by the forces of evil who’s intention is to drown the entire humanity into wars and total poverty so that this evil force will start the desired objective of culling the human species and reducing its population to less than a billion of total slaves.
The same forces that are using the corinavirus to impoverish and destroy economies all over the world are the one who killed the French teacher and the Chechens “killer”, are the same forces that commited 9-11 , which caused the ongoing genocide and destruction that’s ongoing against arab/Muslim countries as Iraq, Syria and Libya etc.
Even the current Armenian-azerbaijani fight is a product of the same evil forces who’s final goal is total and final domination of the entire humanity regardless of color, raced or religions.
Try to use your brain and simple pure logic, don’t allow yourself to be used as a pawn in the evil force that is the satanic power.
THINK, USE YOUR BRAIN, GOD IS LOVE, SATAN IS HATE.
Martin says
MEMRI – Sheikh Ali Al-Yousuf: Killing of French Teacher Paty Was in Keeping with the Ruling of the Shari’a
Sheikh Ali Al-Yousuf of the International Union of Muslim Scholars said in an October 18, 2020 interview on Channel 9 (Turkey) that from the perspective of Islamic law, one cannot say that the Chechen teen who recently beheaded French history teacher Samuel Paty is guilty of a serious crime.
Rather, he said that the teen’s transgression was that he took it upon himself to carry out the death penalty for insulting the Prophet Muhammad, while the sentence should be carried out by a shari’a court in an Islamic state.
Sheikh Al-Yousuf said that people should focus on the fact that Paty had been teaching people to “hate” the Prophet Muhammad, and he argued that France is undergoing a crisis, since “Islam is growing because of its moral values.”
He added that Muslims in France should integrate into French society because French people would not hate Islam if they were familiar with its virtues.
He also speculated that Samuel Paty would not have acted as he had if he had been familiar with the qualities of the Prophet Muhammad.
Sam says
The pre final step toward the total enslavement of the entire human species is the final world war 3 , which is called the ARMAGEDDON, and WW1,WW2 were just two steps toward that so called ARMAGEDDON.
The likes of Spencer, you, the Muslim imams, the Christian right wingers … etc etc are all shallow pawns in the forces of Satan.
b.a. freeman says
so Sam, what religion are U? U seem to believe in armageddon, the prediction of which battle is a christian belief from the book of revelations in the new testament, but U appear to be slandering christians in this post. perhaps U are actually a leftist who is using some of the religious words U know to try to fool people who know as little about christianity as U do.
Sam. says
So Freeman, I follow no particular religion, I just believe in a supreme entity that created and designed this universe.
As far as my religion, I do not believe in any of the 3 Semitic religions, I just believe in the existence of a supreme entity that designed and created the universe we know.
The silly thing about all religions on this planet, each one of them thinks and believes that he/she is the final and the only truth, and all the others will go to hill … , everyone who belongs to one of these three is programmed from the moment he/she is born, just like a computer … so, Mr. Freeman, what’s kind of Program do you have? Java? Microsoft? Apple? Islam? Jewish? or Linux? or Christian?
gravenimage says
“Sam” here again has no problem with the Islamic diktats of violence–not so he says, anyway.
Martin says
IN THE SERIES… ” NOTHING TO DO WITH …”
the guardian – French imam calls for Muslims to ‘cry with families’ mourning beheaded teacher
French imams have visited the school of the teacher who was beheaded by a suspected Islamist militant to pay their respects and call on Muslims to rally behind freedom of expression.
Hassen Chalghoumi, an imam at Drancy mosque, said of the victim, Samuel Paty: ‘He’s a martyr, he’s a wise man, he taught about tolerance, about civilisation and the respect of others.’
b.a. freeman says
good propaganda piece; should play well with those ignorant of islam. after all, islam is Just Another Religion, and all religions are peaceful; therefore, islam is peaceful.
i’m afraid that islam is PIECEful, not PEACEful.
gravenimage says
More from “Sam”:
This whole incident is a false flag operation (crime).
Both the Chechen teenager and the poor French teacher were murdered by the forces of evil who’s intention is to drown the entire humanity into wars and total poverty so that this evil force will start the desired objective of culling the human species and reducing its population to less than a billion of total slaves.
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“Sam” here hopes that we have forgotten that *many* Muslims threatened Samuel Paty with death–not just his murderer:
“Breaking: Video that Motivated Muslim ‘Refugee’ in France to Behead Teacher Samuel Paty Revealed”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/10/breaking-video-that-motivated-muslim-refugee-in-france-to-behead-teacher-samuel-paty-revealed-watch
Moreover, that Muslims all over the world are *celebrating* this poor man’s murder:
“France: Muslim students cheer burning of French flags in response to Muhammad cartoons”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/10/france-muslim-students-cheer-burning-of-french-flags-in-response-to-muhammad-cartoons
“Tunisia: MP glorifies the beheading of a French teacher for showing a Muhammad cartoon”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/10/tunisia-mp-glorifies-the-beheading-of-a-french-teacher-for-showing-a-muhammad-cartoon
Why would this be the case if Muslims didn’t agree with murdering anyone who dares criticize Islam?
And the idea that French police shooting this beheader are “forces of evil” is just sickening.
More:
The same forces that are using the corinavirus to impoverish and destroy economies all over the world are the one who killed the French teacher and the Chechens “killer”, are the same forces that commited 9-11 , which caused the ongoing genocide and destruction that’s ongoing against arab/Muslim countries as Iraq, Syria and Libya etc.
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More crap. 9/11 and the murder of this teacher are Jihad terror–not a virus.
And it is Muslims ruining Iraq, Syria, and Libya.
More:
Even the current Armenian-azerbaijani fight is a product of the same evil forces who’s final goal is total and final domination of the entire humanity regardless of color, raced or religions.
Try to use your brain and simple pure logic, don’t allow yourself to be used as a pawn in the evil force that is the satanic power.
THINK, USE YOUR BRAIN, GOD IS LOVE, SATAN IS HATE.
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The Jihad against Armenia is another Jihad:
“‘Jihad jihad jihad’ — Azeris demonstrate in Washington, DC”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/10/jihad-jihad-jihad-azeris-demonstrate-in-washington-dc
Why would Muslims admit that this is a Jihad if it were not?? Other Azeris have done the same, even threatening to finish the Armenian Genocide.
More:
The pre final step toward the total enslavement of the entire human species is the final world war 3 , which is called the ARMAGEDDON, and WW1,WW2 were just two steps toward that so called ARMAGEDDON.
The likes of Spencer, you, the Muslim imams, the Christian right wingers … etc etc are all shallow pawns in the forces of Satan.
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So daring to point out the hideous savagery of Islam makes one a “pawn of Satan”? As I said, more Taqiyya from “Sam”.
Martin says
MEMRI – Qatari Sociologist: Samuel Paty’s Murder May Have Been Orchestrated Like 9/11
Qatari sociologist Abd Al-Aziz Al-Khazraj Al-Ansari said in a video he uploaded to his YouTube channel on October 18, 2020 that the recent murder and beheading of history teacher Samuel Paty in Paris may have been a “fabrication,” similar to how the 9/11 attacks had been “orchestrated” to distort the reputation of Islam.
He said that the Chechen killer may have been paid to carry out this attack, and that Paty may have even been paid to insult the Prophet Muhammad.
Al-Ansari further said that while he condemns the murder, killings and stabbings are “normal reactions” to attacks against the Prophet Muhammad.
He also said that Muslim ambassadors to France should be recalled and that French President Emmanuel Macron should be told that France’s freedom of speech laws are “stupid.”
Martin says
TURKISH RADIO & TELEVISION – TRT – Are Muslims in France being demonised after teacher’s beheading?
Human rights activist Yasser Louati weighs in on whether Muslims in France are being targeted following last week’s murder and beheading of a schoolteacher who had shown his students controversial cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.
Martin says
FRANCE PR4VD4 – French mosque shut over message linked to teacher beheading
A mosque in a Paris suburb is being closed for six months starting Wednesday night on orders from France’s interior minister in a crackdown following the beheading last week of a teacher.
President Emmanuel Macron is increasingly concerned by what he calls Islamist separatism: the attempt by elements within France’s large Muslim community to impose conservative Islamic beliefs over the traditional values of the French Republic in some communities.
FRANCE 24’s International Affairs editor Philip Turle tells us more.
Martin says
TURKISH RADIO & TELEVISION – TRT – Macron uses anti-Muslim rhetoric to ‘cover up’ failures – Erdogan
“Islamic and anti-Muslim discourses are today the most useful apparatus used by Western politicians to cover up their failures,” Erdogan said in a speech today
Martin says
Samuel Paty | Tribute march for murdered French teacher in Paris
Martin says
IN THE SERIES …”NOTHING TO DO WITH …”
Insulting Religions Provokes Hatred: Al-Azhar Grand Imam
The grand imam of Al-Azhar condemned the beheading of a French teacher but said insulting religions in the name of free speech was an “invitation to hatred,” in a speech read out on Tuesday.
The address written by Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb of Egypt’s prestigious Sunni Islamic institution was read out in Rome’s Capitol Square in front of a gathering of Christian, Jewish and Buddhist leaders including Pope Francis and France’s Chief Rabbi Haim Korsia.
They had come together to sign a joint call for peace.
“As a Muslim and the Sheikh of Al-Azhar, I declare that Islam, its teachings and its Prophet are innocent of this wicked terrorist crime,” Tayeb said in his speech, referring to the beheading of French teacher Samuel Paty on Friday.
“At the same time, I emphasise that insulting religions and attacking their sacred symbols under the banner of freedom of expression is an intellectual double standard and an open invitation to hatred.”
Paty, 47, was attacked and killed by an 18-year-old Chechen on his way home from the junior high school where he taught in Conflans-Sainte-Honorine, near Paris.
He had shown his pupils cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, infuriating one father who led an online campaign against the teacher and was in contact with the killer in the lead-up to the crime, an investigation revealed.
The killer, Abdullakh Anzorov, posted images of the decapitated body on Twitter before he was shot dead by police.
“This terrorist doesn’t speak for the religion of the Prophet Mohammed any more than the terrorist in New Zealand who killed Muslims in the mosque spoke for the religion of Jesus,” Tayeb said in his speech.
Police have arrested 16 people, including a known Islamist radical and four members of Anzorov’s family.
On Monday, Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said the radical and the father had in effect issued a “fatwa” against the teacher.
Al-Azhar, one of the world’s leading Islamic seats of learning, had in September condemned French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo’s decision to reprint cartoons of Prophet Mohammed, as a trial opened over the 2015 terror attack on its Paris office.
In February 2019, Pope Francis and Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb signed a document on “human fraternity for world peace” condemning religious extremism and support to terrorists.
https://www.barrons.com/news/insulting-religions-provokes-hatred-al-azhar-grand-imam-01603220704
Sam. says
jirtu says
Oct 20, 2020 at 10:05 am
The list of 37,947 terrorist attacks you cite is not complete. These are the known ones. How many more were not listed as such because the authorities failed to identify the terrorists or decided the criminal was mentally unbalanced and thus not a terrorist.
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37,947 , and let’s say another 37,947 has not been listed due to whatever reasons, so all in all we have 75,894 terrorist attacks in carried by Muslims in Europe(?) … so my question would be, what about the “lovely” kind of attacks that the west waged against Islamic and Arab countries during the same period? and how many Muslims did the west nicely treated during the same period? mmmm If I remember right, just during the sanctions that were placed on Iraq by the marvelous Bush the heavenly man, 0.5 Million kids under the age of 5 years died, and the pretty miss Albright said something similar to ” It’s not a big deal ” … do you remember? do you even read? Orr, is it OK for the Christians to maim and and kill Muslims, but Muslims have to kiss their butts and say thank you masters? ….
Ecosse1314 says
Those figures you refer to are world-wide not as you infer european.
your arguements regarding the wests actions might hold weight, apart from the fact that you are wrong and that a lot of jihad attacks take place in non-western countries i.e Africa and Asia
You are defo a mudslime as you use all their defences for violence.
gravenimage says
Yet more from “Sam”:
jirtu says
Oct 20, 2020 at 10:05 am
The list of 37,947 terrorist attacks you cite is not complete. These are the known ones. How many more were not listed as such because the authorities failed to identify the terrorists or decided the criminal was mentally unbalanced and thus not a terrorist.
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37,947 , and let’s say another 37,947 has not been listed due to whatever reasons, so all in all we have 75,894 terrorist attacks in carried by Muslims in Europe(?) … so my question would be, what about the “lovely” kind of attacks that the west waged against Islamic and Arab countries during the same period? and how many Muslims did the west nicely treated during the same period? mmmm If I remember right, just during the sanctions that were placed on Iraq by the marvelous Bush the heavenly man, 0.5 Million kids under the age of 5 years died, and the pretty miss Albright said something similar to ” It’s not a big deal ” … do you remember? do you even read? Orr, is it OK for the Christians to maim and and kill Muslims, but Muslims have to kiss their butts and say thank you masters? ….
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Note that “Sam” originally pretended that none of these Jihad terror attacks existed, and instead claimed that they were all “false flag” attacks–carried out by whom? He didn’t bother to say, but one presumes some of the ‘filthy Infidels’, since the attacks he cited took place in France and the US.
But now he seems to be fine with almost 76,000 Jihad terror attacks in Europe itself–more than have even been documented. *Very* strange.
Then he claims that *defense* against Jihad terror attacks are to blame–somehow–for the Jihad terror attacks that preceded them. How does that work?
His mask is slipping again.