This is what interfaith dialogue leads to, at least for the Christian side: total capitulation, the relativization of the faith, and the holding of contradictory ideas. The fruit of the dialogue between Muslims and Catholics has not been the protection of Christians in Muslim countries, but a silence from the Catholic Church on this persecution. Bishops in the U.S. and Europe have now have been teaching for years that any discussion of such matters is “Islamophobic,” and will harm this wonderful dialogue that has actually no accomplishments to its name. In 2013, Bishop Robert McManus of Worcester, Massachusetts canceled my scheduled address to a Catholic Men’s Conference and explained: “Spencer’s talk about extreme, militant Islamists…might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims.” So you see, even talk about “extreme, militant Islamists,” and Boko Haram and the Fulani herdsmen are quintessentially “extreme, militant Islamists,” is out of bounds, because of the dialogue.
“‘Death Penalty’ Imam Debunks Fratelli Tutti,” by Jules Gomes, ChurchMilitant.com, October 6, 2020:
VATICAN CITY (ChurchMilitant.com) – Pope Francis’ abrogation of the death penalty in Fratelli Tutti is being blown sky-high by his chief dialogue partner Grand Imam Ahmed al-Tayyeb — who, in accordance with Islamic jurisprudence, supports the execution of apostates from Islam.
“Today we state clearly that ‘the death penalty is inadmissible’ and the Church is firmly committed to calling for its abolition worldwide,” Francis declares in his latest encyclical, contradicting Scripture and 2,000 years of Sacred Tradition.
But al-Tayyeb, who is named five times and upheld as the pontiff’s inspiration in Fratelli Tutti (All Brothers), trashes Francis’ declaration, stating: “The four schools of law all concur that apostasy is a crime, that an apostate should be asked to repent, and that if he does not, he should be killed.”
“[Contemporary] jurisprudents concur — and so does ancient jurisprudence — that apostasy is a crime,” al-Tayyeb asserts in a 2016 Arabic interview, translated into English by the Middle East Media Research Institute.
“We should be aware that the concepts of human rights are full of ticking time bombs,” the grand imam warned, labeling apostasy “high treason” and “a rebellion both against religion and what is held sacrosanct by society.”
Al-Tayyeb cites the “exception of the Hanafi School,” which legislates “that a female apostate should not be killed.” He explains the exception is “because it is inconceivable that a woman would rebel against her community.”
‘Only the Pope’ Confused
Church Militant’s Arabic translator, who is himself an “apostate” living in fear of the death penalty for converting to Christianity, confirmed that the translation was accurate.
Distinguished Islamic historian Robert Spencer, author of 21 books on Islam, told Church Militant:
Al-Tayyeb clearly teaches that those who leave Islam must be killed. This is in accord with traditional Islamic teaching. Al-Tayyeb has shown no sign of moving toward the Christian position of the freedom of conscience and dignity of the human person. Only the pope is moving in the other direction.
Spencer drew our attention to the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam (CDHRI).
Article 2(a) of the CDHRI states: “It is prohibited to take away life except for a Sharia prescribed reason,” explaining that, “since all four Islamic schools of jurisprudence concur on the death penalty for apostates,” this made apostasy a valid “Sharia-prescribed reason” for the death penalty.
“Pope Callixtus III vowed in 1455 to ‘exalt the true Faith, and to extirpate the diabolical sect of the reprobate and faithless Mahomet in the East,'” Spencer noted. “Now his latest successor is quoting the holy book of this ‘diabolical’ sect as if it contained wisdom that Christians should heed.”
Interpretations of ‘Equality’ Differ
In a 2019 Arabic interview verified by Church Militant, al-Tayyeb contradicts Pope Francis’ encyclical by condemning the Western notion of equality as “false” and stating that “the Islamic notion of equality is limited.”
But Francis states in Fratelli Tutti: “I have felt particularly encouraged by the grand imam, Ahmed al-Tayyeb, with whom I met in Abu Dhabi, where we declared that ‘God has created all human beings equal in rights, duties and dignity, and has called them to live together as brothers and sisters.'”
Pope Francis’ statement on equality is a partial citation of the words of Muhammad, the founder of Islam. “It would be unrealistic to assert the absolute equality of human beings, although humans are basically equal in rights, duties and accountability,” Muhammad declares, according to a narration in Ayub al Tabarani.
Orthodox Islam rejects the biblical concept of man created in God’s image as blasphemous and the phrase “image of God” never occurs in the Qur’an. Pope Francis avoids declaring this as the basis for equality “because he does not want to upset his Muslim interlocutors. Instead, he adopts the words of Muhammad as the basis for his teaching on equality, with the notable omission of Muhammad’s denial of the ‘absolute equality of human beings,'” Spencer told Church Militant.
“The Western notion of equality is, I’m very sad to say, absolute. It has destroyed — or has strived to destroy — many of the values that are more vital for the stability of people’s lives,” al-Tayyeb observes in his interview.
“If we examine the Western notion of equality … As a researcher I have the right to say that in my opinion, this notion is false,” he adds, noting that this is the basis for gay marriage in the West.
Francis Ignores Islamic Sexism
Catholic feminists, who have expressed outrage at what they claim is a ‘sexist‘ title for Fratelli tutti, are yet to challenge the pontiff for celebrating the grand imam as an “inspiration” despite al-Tayyeb’s views on “wife-beating.”
In the 2019 interview, the grand imam defends the right of a man to beat his wife under “certain conditions.”
People should realize that “the Qur’an’s mentions of wife-beating are not an order. Rather, the Qur’an allows using this method,” al-Tayyeb explains, “when there is no other way, and when he [the husband] strongly believes that this would help resolve the problem. Only in this case, the husband is allowed to beat his wife.’…
Matt says
Without the death penalty for apostasy there would be no Islam.
janicevanguilder says
too bad they don’t require a psychological exam before installing a new pope. This moron, former night club bouncer, NWO-Communist, etc. should have been crossed off the list with the first purge.
maria says
this antichrist -Pope should be fired or most Roman Catholic should leave the church and choose a real Pope
DazzleMe says
+2 maria!
abad says
+1
revereridesagain says
Crikey, I hope there is a zoo on the Vatican grounds, because at this point they must be feeding more crocodiles than the Irwins.
In the philosophy I follow it is absolutely a crime of the most despicable nature to murder a human being for the perceived content of their thoughts or the expression of those thoughts. But then what do I know, I’m just a “godless” being, and therefore automatically amoral and “unforgiven” by your various gods.
Donald Repp says
Sounds like you and I share a common trait – that of “infidel.”
Brando says
The Pope is a Jesuit,a group where you have to have a high IQ to graduate,but Francis is the exception.The Jesuits or Society of Jesus,have done better things:
THE JESUIT REPUBLIC IN SOUTH AMERICA
They convinced the king of Spain(who at the time was also king of Portugal) to grant them land and for some 150 years ( 1609-1767):
1.Ruled a territory the SIZE of FRANCE ( eastern Paraguay,northeast Argentina, southeast Brazil, part of Uruguay)
2.With a population of 100,000 Guarani amerindians.
3.In about 30 towns with each having about 3,000 inhabitants directed by 2 priests.
IT WAS AN AGREEMENT
Jesuits met with Guarani chiefs (who were nomads and even cannibals )and they came to an agreement:they would accept Jesuit rule and become CITIZENS of the empire).
THE RESULT
Inspired in part by THOMAS MORE’s book UTOPIA:
1. SUNDAY was a day of rest, and people worked only 6 HRS a DAY: from 9 am to 12pm,
then 2 HRS for lunch and a nap(siesta),then from 2 pm to 5 pm.
2.No Spaniards,Portuguese or others were allowed to enter the territory without Jesuit permission.
3.It was a COMMUNIST society: NO money, people would get things through BARTER.
4.The Jesuits NEVER tried to impose Spanish or Portuguese on the Guarani,instead they learned Guarani.
5.The children actually had to go to SCHOOL,to learn to read and write,learn a trade,etc.
6.Everybody was GUARANTEED a home on marrying and after age 60, did not have to work but was given FREE FOOD.
7.There was NO DEATH PENALTY, the worst punishment was getting WHIPPED.
8.Under the very competent Jesuits,the territory became prosperous,producing many different products,
and the king of Spain and Portugal was happy since the Jesuits payed him much in TAXES that were very welcome to the crown.
9.Since Spanish and Portuguese were never learned there, linguists say the reason GUARANI did not DISAPPEAR as a language there,and is now spoken by 5 MILLION , was because of Jesuit rule
gravenimage says
Actually, bartering is not Communism. It is more cumbersome than trading using money, but can nonetheless be free trade.
Here’s more on the Jesuit Reductions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuit_reduction
An interesting period of history.
Brando says
Hello, yes, it is interesting,it shows the West is capable of creating extraordinary things, to those who think it was an easy thing to manage the Jesuit towns:
After the Jesuits were expelled in 1767, from South American, they were replaced by government administrators and Franciscan priests BUT
since they were Less Capable for the Job,after a few years it all fell apart,the Guarani abandoned the towns.
Giacomo Latta says
The last time I was in northwestern Argentina the average citizen looked half-European at most. When I stepped into a haberdashery to buy a local product I was pleasantly surprised to see that the two owners, dressed to the nines, were certainly 100% indigenous. I had been taught by a left-leaning Spanish Culture professor that Quechua was still the predominant language there although the ladies of the local market all spoke castellano to each other. I had also been told by the same prof that hurricanes never visited Cuba, so …
FYI says
No doubt francis thinks his close buddy Ahmed{MWAH}, the Grand Wizard of islam and his muslim brother from a different mother, is one of his ‘fratelli’.
But ahmed and the muslims are not and never will be, ‘fratelli’ to infidels:their god allah curses Christians {koran 9:30} and calls them and all non -muslims ‘the WORST of created beings'{koran 98:6}and demands muslims should not be friends with Christians{koran 5:51}muslims don’t reciprocate,they don’t share the love{probably because allah completely missed the Golden Rule,the 2 chief LOVE commandments of Deut 6:4-9 and Lev 19:17-18}and the infidel concept of Genesis 1:27{people being made in the spiritual image of God and not unequal as allah’s religiou apartheid of koran 98:6 insists}
A ‘proper reading’ of the koran would have shown all that.The Jesuit ‘genius’ that appears to have missed all that.
francis produces so much rotten fruit{7 Heresies to date I believe,Apostasy within Catholicism,false eco-theology,promoting his pro-islam,pro-globalist henchmen to more senior position,being silent on persecution of christians etc..}that it is astonishing so many don’t see it or get the whiff of unsanctity from the Man in White.
In future any encyclical of his should be called…
‘Frutti Tutte Male'{‘all bad fruit’}
Brando says
I find your reference to LEV 19 fascinating since it contains the POSITIVE GOLDEN RULE.These laws were given, at least for the most part, during the year that Israel camped at MOUNT SINAI.
The NEGATIVE Golden Rule is the one enunciated by CONFUCIUS (500 years before Jesus ) in the collection of his sayings called the ANALECTS:
“Do NOT do to others what you do NOT want them to do to you”.
A REDPILLER/BLACKPILLER notices the Golden Rule in Lev twice:
The Golden Rule:
LEV 19:18:”Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but LOVE your NEIGHBOR as YOURSELF.”
LEV 19:33-34: “‘When a FOREIGNER resides among you in your land, do NOT mistreat them. The FOREIGNER residing among you must be TREATED as your NATIVE-BORN.
LOVE them as YOURSELF, for you were foreigners in Egypt.”
THE GOLDEN RULE IS THE BASIS OF HUMAN RIGHTS
1.Since Jesus of Nazareth also emphasized it, and called it the LAW ( law =law of God ),in that way his thought has become an INTEGRAL part of European SELF-IDENTITY.
2.Europe is POST-CHRISTIAN,few believe Jesus resurrected,yet today’s agnostics,atheists,theists,deists there: continue to believe in HUMAN RIGHTS as being UNIVERSAL.
Human Rights are( according to the UN):
https://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/human-rights/
“Human rights are rights inherent to all human beings, regardless of race, sex, nationality, ethnicity, language, religion, or any other status.
Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education, and many more.
Everyone is entitled to these rights, without discrimination.”
ALMOST ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE (though Not Equally Probable)
That is what redpillers/blackpillers learn.For example:
ORTHODOX JEWISH intellectual PINCHAS LAPIDE was an admirer of Jesus and after examining the data:
concluded Jesus was a HOLY MAN of God,
but NOT the MESSIAH, but according to the data:
nevertheless Jesus RESURRECTED from the DEAD. It is in his book:
“The Resurrection of Jesus: A Jewish Perspective “(1977)
FYI says
And here is the Golden Rule in the Gospel being equated with the law of Moses..
“Do for others what you want them to do for you:this is the MEANING of the Law and the teachings of all the prophets”
Matthew 7 v 12
The Golden rule=the MEANING of ‘the law of Moses…”
Both Judaism and Christianity have this Golden Rule,and yet it is not in islam which means ‘allah’ does not understand the MEANING behind ‘the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets”
Besides,the Golden Rule{like the 2nd chief commandment of Lev19:18} is impossible in islam as allah classifies non-muslims as ‘the WORST of created beings”:you cannot ‘love thy neighbor’ if he is classified as inferior or as someone to be ‘despised and hated'{=a Jew ..koran 2:65}
The two chief commandments of Deut 6:4-9 and lev19:18{and the Exodus 20 Decalogue} and the Golden Rule{=the MEANING behind the law} are the basis of Judaism and Christianity.
Brando says
I agree
gravenimage says
Yes–there is no Golden Rule in Islam.
somehistory says
They are both wrong. God decreed that “anyone shedding man’s blood, by man will his own blood be shed,” had given special protection for Cain after the ill-tempered man murdered Abel, his brother so that Cain wouldn’t be killed by another,, and gave special instructions in the Law He gave to the Jews about certain sins…crimes…that merited the death of the sinner.
However, when Christ was on earth instructing mankind is what was to be the “Way” we are to live in order to have “life in abundance” and please our Creator, He said the Judgment was to be with God as to who pleased Him and who didn’t.
In Romans, the Apostle Paul said that God had given some authority to governments of men for the safety and protection of their citizens and for this reason, “It bears the sword.’
Both of these spiritually dead creeps have it all wrong. And i’t’ no wonder…one is a moslim and the other kisses up to moslims as a moslim wannabe.
As Paul also wrote about the behavior and thinking of “bad associations ” rub off onto others.
Keith O says
From the photo, the Pope is kissing the wrong part of that Mudslimes anatomy.
His attitude will bring about the final destruction of the Vatican, just one more thing that Nostradamus predicted.
Personally, can’t wait for this evil organization to collapse.
Rufolino says
Francis certainly encourages the destruction of the Vatican’s moral authority, which after numberless scandals is in shreds anyway.
But the destruction of such a massive authoritarian institution won’t happen overnight. It is rotting from within, the dry-rot being hypocrisy. Its destruction, already begun, will be a long, gradual process.
The Christian Church won’t die, it is continually reborn by the Grace of God,, and maybe one day a new, fresh kind of Pope, a real leader with clean integrity, will emerge from the ruins.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
We ran out of real popes a few popes ago, says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
gravenimage says
Pope’s new encyclical praises imam who supports wife-beating and death penalty for apostates
……………..
Oh, great… Is this just ignorance on the pontiff’s part, or something even worse?
James Lincoln says
gravenimage says,
“Is this just ignorance on the pontiff’s part, or something even worse?”
Not sure, but so far the results have been about the same…
gravenimage says
Too true, James.
Reziac says
I’m wondering when he’ll declare that he’s converted to Islam and that the Vatican will be turned into a mosque. (…not sure I’m being sarcastic.)
GreekEmpress says
The pope also rejected the Catholic Church’s own doctrine justifying war as a means of legitimate defense, saying it had been too broadly applied.
So I guess countries are just supposed to lay down now and let the invaders have at it—no more defending yourselves.
liuwgiwhfo says
Not quite. He approved of defense and peacebuilding and disapproved of offensive warfare.
gravenimage says
Not so–Pope Francis has condemned the entire concept of just war, without which no one can defend themselves and their people from aggression:
“In new encyclical, Pope questions usefulness of Church’s ‘just war’ doctrine”
https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2020/10/in-new-encyclical-pope-questions-usefulness-of-churchs-just-war-doctrine/
He said, “We can no longer think of war as a solution, because its risks will probably always be greater than its supposed benefits. In view of this, it is very difficult nowadays to invoke the rational criteria elaborated in earlier centuries to speak of the possibility of a ‘just war.’ Never again war!”.
Imagine if the Allies had thought this–the world would be Fascist today. Needless to say, this also prevents any defense against Jihad.
curious george says
Nothing new here, nothing. As stated numerous times on JW, Pope Francis is not the problem, he is a symptom of the problem. He is just one of many useful idiots helping to bring about a One World Religion.
tim gallagher says
I cannot understand any of this support for Islam by any Christian church leaders. To my mind, Christianity is the absolute opposite of Islam. Their ideals seem like chalk and cheese to me. Anyone with half a brain should be able to see this. Christian leaders have a duty to call out barbaric evil wherever they see it, they are not meant to cosy up to evil barbarism such as Islam. As a Christian, I believe that the Christian God is going to judge this particular Pope, for his support of evil islam,very harshly. This Pope and his fellow travellers in the church had better wake up to islam’s obvious evil and start calling that evil out or he’ll face a very harsh judgement from God. I don’t know if it is monumental ignorance or cowardice that leads this Pope to be supportive of Islam, but it is hopeless and bloody pathetic.
James Lincoln says
tim gallagher,
You clearly state what should be painfully obvious to any clear-thinking individual.
Again, your bullsh*t detector is working perfectly…
tim gallagher says
Thanks, James. I believe we both have good bullshit detectors. I was going to mention, when I was making my original comment, the slaughter of Christians, day after day, such as the report next to this one (here at Jihad Watch) about the Congo, and then the one up above about Nigeria. The Pope must know about these evil acts by Muslims, yet he seems not to care about these murders of Christians. As a Christian and a Catholic, I do believe we are all going to face a judgement for what we have done or failed to do in this life (I suspect I’ll be spending a long, long time in Purgatory,which I see as kind of like doing time in God’s jail, before, hopefully, making it into Heaven) and this Pope is definitely failing to call out Islam for its evil nature, something I’m betting that God will not be pleased about. These church leaders are, above all, meant to fearlessly call out evil for what it is.
James Lincoln says
tim gallagher says,
“I suspect I’ll be spending a long, long time in Purgatory…”
Me as well.
And I’ll also have to do some fancy talking to make it through those Pearly gates…
gravenimage says
I’m not in a position of ultimate judge (obviously), but you both seem like pretty good guys to me…
gravenimage says
Good exchange, Tim and James.
tim gallagher says
Thanks, gravenimage. For not calling out Islam as evil, which it so clearly is in so many ways, this Pope is derelict in his main duty as a moral leader. As I said, up above, I’m pretty sure that God is not pleased with this Pope’s failure to call Islam what it is, ie evil and barbaric.
Fela Marley says
A very big dilemma. I think human rights should be first and then we let the creator judge. Every religion should evangelize, preach your doctrine, tradition and values but every human has the right to his or her absolute freedom to live and to choose. For the creator left us with freewill, who is man to judge man.
gravenimage says
Alas, Islam does not agree with freedom.
Fela Marley says
He’s playing the politics.
Ronald Joseph Lorette says
Hi. The reason the Pope supports these Islamic leaders is that He looks back at the history of the catholic church when popes had absolute control of Life and Death over every member of Christs Church and longs for :THE GOOD OLD DAYS: Life is much more fun when you love tyranny and hegemeny and have absolute power to carry it out. PATHETIC. Hard to believe I used to be an altar Boy.!!!!
gravenimage says
I don’t think so–Pope Francis seems to be more about Marxism than anything else.
OLD GUY says
Islam is the snake from the Garden of Eden slowly creeping through the grass waiting to strike its fatal blow.
DazzleMe says
+1 OLD GUY!
Coram Deo says
ROME ON ROME: DR TAYLOR MARSHALL’S 8 POINT REVIEW OF POPE FRANCIS’ NEW ENCYCLICAL FRATELI TUTTI
video – 64 mins 40 secs
I want to share with you a countdown of words [from Fratelli tutti]. This document has
43,000 words
God the Father – 0
Jesus Christ – 2
The Holy Spirit – 2
This document is not about our faith. It’s about Humanism, Globalism, Naturalism etc.
https://3speak.co/watch?v=vladtepesblog/zfmwegbh
+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Marshall
Michael Zorn says
This is the first encyclical not written in Latin.
Is there a reason for that?
Mahendra Singh says
For a moment I thought the were smooching. Perish the thought.
DazzleMe says
LOL, could be Mahendra!! Wouldn’t surprise me!
DazzleMe says
Pope might as well say he is muslim! He cannot be Christian and their activities be okay with him!