Maybe that consensus is broader than it should be.
Muhammad said: “I have been made victorious through terror” (Bukhari 4:52.220).
The Qur’an says: “Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah and your enemies…” (8:60)
“When your Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers; so strike the necks, and strike every finger of them!” (Qur’an 8:12)
“We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 3:151)
“And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out; persecution is worse than slaughter. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, kill them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is all-forgiving, all-compassionate. Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.” (Qur’an 2:191-193)
“They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore do not take friends from among them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, seize them and kill them wherever you find them; do not take for yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
“This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth to do corruption there: they shall be killed, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall be struck off on opposite sides; or they shall be exiled from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.” (Qur’an 5:33)
“Fight them, till there is no persecution and religion is all for Allah; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.” (Qur’an 8:39)
“Then, when the sacred months are over, kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.” (Qur’an 9:5)
“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” (Qur’an 9:29)
“Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.” (Qur’an 9:111)
“O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.” (Qur’an 9:123)
“When you meet the unbelievers, strike their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.” (Qur’an 47:4)
“Violence and the responsibility of theology,” translated from “Gewalt und die Verantwortung der Theologie,” ORF, November 5, 2020 (thanks to E.):
There is a fairly broad consensus that Islamist violence and terror like the attack in Vienna on Monday have nothing to do with the religion of Islam itself. But experts also see Islamic theology as having an obligation to delegitimize violence in the name of God.
Immediately after the attack, Muslim associations, above all the Islamic Religious Community in Austria (IGGÖ), expressed their horror and dismay and distanced themselves from the perpetrator, who is likely to have acted in connection with the terrorist group “Islamic State” (IS). Among others, the Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister, Adel al-Jubeir, condemned the terrorist attack in Vienna as a “heinous crime”. Islam is a religion of mercy, jihadism is anti-Islamic, one can read again and again.
The sociologist Kenan Güngör said in an interview with the ORF religious magazine “Orientation” that he “believes that all Muslims know that it was an attack on them, too”. Public resentment towards Muslim people will increase. What he would like would be the confession: “(…) we stand for an open and liberal society. Standing up is different from distancing yourself.” But that shouldn’t just be “lip service”.
A critical internal discourse is required, said Güngör. The question is: “What kind of breeding ground do we have in parts of the Muslim community that at least favor or legitimize extremist ideas?”
But how do you deal with people who use the Koran and other Islamic sources as legitimation for acts of violence? For years, experts have been pointing out how important it is to see the Koranic passages that call for violence against people of different faiths in a historical context.
Read sources in historical context
The young Muslim community of the seventh century had to defend itself in Medina after it was attacked, said Gernot Galib Stanfel, cultural advisor for the Islamic religious community of St. Pölten, in an interview with religion.ORF.at at the end of 2015 – more on this in “Allahu akbar”: Battle cry or peace greeting?
In the history of Islam and in the sources of world religion, however, there is a lot of violence – just as Güngor recalls, as is the case with Christianity. But Christianity went through a “strong secularization and humanization”. There are also sources in Islam that “reject violence”. He sees “a very quiet segment of Muslims” who felt uncomfortable with all this, and found it “interesting that they never stand up and bravely speak up”.
Critical culture “not very well developed”
One problem is that “when it comes to Islam, the culture of criticism is generally not very well developed.” Critical discussion does not take place sufficiently. According to the sociologist, this has to happen “in the interests of the Muslims, sustainability”. And “it would be important for Muslims themselves to take such steps”.
Debate: how big is the shock?
The Viennese theologian Jan-Heiner Tück would like more reflection on the sources and legitimation of terrorism. The Islamist-motivated terrorist attack with four deaths and 23 injuries should “not leave the interreligious dialogue unaffected”, Tück said in a statement to Kathpress the day after the attack.
“Address hard, uncomfortable questions”
It is time to finally remove the theological basis from jihadism and to make it clear from the Koran and other normative texts of Islamic tradition that violence in the name of God is an act of blasphemy. Tück: “The good connections that exist between the churches and the Islamic Faith Community in Austria are a good basis for tackling tough, uncomfortable questions beyond friendly dialogues.”
In addition, it would be “desirable if Islamic authorities, in addition to expressing solidarity with the victims, would once again make it clear that the killing of innocent people is a crime.” Murder in the name of God is “not an act of worship, but blasphemy,” said Tück.
“Semantic Dynamite” of the IS
The theologian, who teaches dogmatics at the Catholic Theological Faculty of the University of Vienna, referred in this context to the “archaic theology of violence” that stands in the background of the “Islamic State” and its sharp distinction between believers and unbelievers, and forms a kind of “semantic dynamite” “that makes militant jihadism so dangerous”.
This fact must be openly addressed and discussed against the background of the Koran “and other normative sources” of Islam – and without conjuring up a conflict between Christians and Muslims, said Tück, who at the same time recalled that Austria in particular, since the Islamic Law of 1912, is a pioneer in matters of integration.
The most important question to be clarified in the interreligious dialogue is how Islam itself “can theologically clearly and unequivocally condemn such acts of terrorism in the name of Allah”. The assertion that Islam is a religion of mercy is important, but “is hardly sufficient here”.
tedh754 says
Oh yeah. The majority are peaceful. Until the preachers tell them to be violent.
Rob says
Remove Islam remove attacks. If salt water gets into fresh you throw it ALL out. You don’t hunt through the water looking for the salt molecules and attempt to remove them.
Savvy Kafir says
Agreed! That’s the only real, long-term solution. The West must be made Islam/Muslim-free. Otherwise these attacks will continue, and eventually the Demographic Jihad will destroy all free, civilized societies.
mortimer says
Nothing to do with Islam … unless you read the following.
The Koran’s 164 Jihad Verses: K 2:178-179, 190-191, 193-194, 216-218, 244; 3:121-126, 140-143, 146, 152-158, 165-167,169, 172-173, 195; 4:71-72, 74-077, 84, 89-91, 94-95,100-104; 5:33, 35, 82; 8:1, 5, 7, 9-10, 12, 15-17, 39-48, 57-60, 65-75; 9:5, 12-14, 16, 19-20, 24-26, 29, 36, 38-39, 41, 44, 52, 73, 81, 83, 86, 88, 92, 111, 120, 122-123; 16:110; 22:39, 58, 78; 24:53, 55; 25:52; 29:6, 69; 33:15, 18, 20, 23, 25-27, 50; 42:39; 47:4, 20, 35; 48:15-24; 49:15; 59:2, 5-8, 14; 60:9; 61:4, 11, 13; 63:4; 64:14; 66:9; 73:20; 76:8.
Lion heart says
It’s TAQUIYYA ( Quran 3:28) cad hen Muslims are in minority , they are commanded to promote peace and teach a message of tolerance( like here in Canada , and I am a Canadian Christian guy originally from Iraq) but when in majority, they will change their tune and they will not call for peace ( Quran 47:35 ) I wonder when will the hibernated westerners wake up to the evil ideology of Islam???
AdaptivelyEmergent . says
It is clear from the Islamic texts and doctrine that Islam is a political religion of terrorism!
mortimer says
Terrorism is the core of all jihad.
“Only a strategy that aims at STRIKING TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THE ENEMIES from the preparation stage can produce direct results and turn (the) dream into a reality.” – Pakistani Brig. S.K. Malik, “Quranic Concept of War”.
Jaladhi says
Delusion or outright lying?? Islamic terror is more than 1000% coming out of Islamic texts!
“>Muhammad said: “I have been made victorious through terror” (Bukhari 4:52.220)<".
gravenimage says
Kenan Güngör is himself likely Muslim. He is of Turkish background.
somehistory says
This liar may “fool some of the people,” but he’ll never “fool all of the people,” and even a dumb woman could consider the evidence and see through his balderdash.
When I read the word “broad,” or “abroad,” I am reminded of old gangster or mob movies where all of the guys called women “broads” and usually referred to them as “dumb.” Whether or not the ladies were dumb.
He is engaging in propaganda. All of the ones like him are trying to cover for the evil that is islam and they lie and fabricate and twist and try to hide the facts from the ignorant and uninformed, hoping to keep them in the dark. If they tell the lies often enough, from a large number of deceitful lips, they will “fool some.”
They murder. They rape. They steal. They extort. They threaten. And lie about it all. Such devilish behavior will be receiving “full recompense for their error.”
Beside the fact that a majority saying the same wrong thing won’t make it the right thing. No matter how many repeat the lies.
AntiIslamicman says
Sounds to me that these people want to be killed, they refuse to identify that Islam is what is killing them, it’s the Muslims guide book. Surah 9:29 is all the evidence you would need, it’s right there in their so called holy book.
The question is what are you going to do about it. They will keep on killing you as they have been instructed to do so by their called God Allah or is it Allan?
abad says
Islam is extremely violent and has no place in the western world.
There is nothing peaceful about Islam.
Dude says
I guess the unspeakable truth is that islam is just not Islam, except where superiority prevails.
I imagine most people would just walk away if they thought they would actually have to murder and rape and rob and enslave to please god.
However, if they thought they would get away with it, then many would follow the evil in the scriptures. And then some, well they’re just nuts, and they will shout akbhar and celebrate their demonic hearts with a smile, day in and day out.
Tony Naim says
“الاسلام دين ودولة”
Such is the definition of Islam by Islam: a theology and political dogma.
The choreography of prayer, culinary tradition, dress code and calendar of feasts may be considered a benign tradition. However, Islam’s political dogma is an exercise in savagery, sharia law is riddled with discriminatory teaching, incompatible with human rights, decency.
Unless the 2 are separated, the confusion will persist. The Islamic world will never accept such separation unless it is demanded or somehow imposed by the west.
Carol says
Well said!
Walter Sieruk says
That quote from that man of Austria who used that term “Islamist violence ” instead of the right and right term proper terms ” Islamic violence or Jihadist violence. For how many times does it need to be repeated , that there is no such real word as”Islamist .”
For the words “Islamist” and “Islamism” is a fake words that used that was made up after September 11, 2001 in order offend or upset non-violent Muslims. The real, actual, word is just “Islam.” Likewise, the word “Islamist” is also a bogus word that was made up after 9/11 in order not to offend or upset peaceful Muslims. To keep with reality, terms should better be used as “Islamic terrorist” or “Muslim terrorist” . Let’s call people and thing as the really are.
Likewise ,the terms “Radical Muslim” and “Islamic extremist” is actually a misuse of terms. “Moderate Muslim” are actually Western term and not that well known in the Islamic Middle East. This is because what In the Islamic mindset in the Muslim Middle East as well as in Indonesia and other Muslim controlled countries what the non-Muslims of the Western nations view as “radical and “extremist” the Muslims of those places in the world see as “Normal” and even Devout and committed to the Cause of Islam”.
Furthermore, those “Moderate Muslims” are those of the Islamic worldview and non-devout and non –committed Muslims. The violent jihadists even see them as “hypocrites.” Therefore, this explains the jihadist chant of those jihad-minded Muslims in different Islamic terror organizations. When they chant out loud “Death to infidels and hypocrites.” Meaning Death to people who and not Muslims and people who are non- jihadist Muslims.
Concerning the last part of this above essay, the violent spirit of that vicious jihadist chant “Death to infidels and hypocrites.” The later word of the chant “hypocrites” in the jihad –minded Muslim worldview is further explain in the book titled JIHADIST PSYCHOPATH by Jamie Glazov , for on page 42 the reader is informed that “Islam mandates that devout and real Muslims must punish , and in some circumstances kill, those Muslims whom they regard as neither legitimate nor properly devout.”
Fred van de Bunt says
According to Tück it is easy. Just throw away parts of the Quran, being Gods (Allah’s) words, and the Hadith, kick out half of the imams, that is the one’s that preach violence, and let 56 IOC countries declare that Gods sharia laws are bullshit.
Piece of cake.
b.a. freeman says
“…in the sources of world religion, however, there is a lot of violence – just as Güngor recalls, as is the case with Christianity…”
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it appears that Güngor doesn’t know his a** from a hole in the ground about christianity (or judaism, either, for that matter). the violence in the bible is *HISTORICAL*, not mandated by God for His believers to carry out for all time. furthermore, the Law was enforced only so long as there was a temple; after the temple was destroyed, judaism reverted to oral rabbinical tradition, an exposition of and commentary on pentateuchal law (i.e., it’s peaceful). as for christianity, the old covenant (keeping law) has been superseded by the new covenant. because no human being can keep law *PERFECTLY*, which is *REQUIRED* in order to be in the presence of God, Jesus, the only human who *did* keep law perfectly (rather than legalistically), sacrificed His life to be able to offer perfect forgiveness for the rest of us. He did not command christians to kill *anybody*; instead, He commanded us to reach others for Him. God the Holy Spirit does the rest, and death does not enter into the conversion process.
so what about european christians killing jews, and even other christians? Jesus said that He will forgive us, but He did *not* say that we would be able to stop sinning. like adherents of any other religion, christians can be ranked on scales of understanding of, obedience to, and belief in, the scriptures. new adherents often don’t have a deep understanding of their new belief system, and so can violate commands by mistake. later on in their adherence, they may have better knowledge, but they may not always obey scriptural commands (e.g., “do not kill”). some believers pick and choose which commandments they believe. and finally, almost everybody in medieval europe was illiterate, and so got their belief system from the parish priest, who may not have been able to relate the essence of christianity to their parishioners; this became traditional, even when literacy became more widespread. i have some quite literate catholic friends who would rather learn from their priest than from the bible. in fact, in a similar fashion, the ummah is in a similar position, but about 4 or 5 centuries behind the european world; according to IINA (International Islamic News Agency, the propaganda arm of the OIC), 40% of muslims are illiterate (see http://www.iinanews.com/page/public/report.aspx?id=10377); the IINA has no reason to make the estimate *low*, so this is probably a *high* estimate. illiterate muslims have no place else to get their religion other than the local imam. i will grant that there is a faint possibility that the literacy situation may improve for the ummah in the future, but due to the gangsta nature of the death cult, that possibility is ephemeral. in any case, christians killed jews for “killing Jesus,” when anybody who actually read the bible would know that every christian is responsible for the death of Jesus; after all, He died for *M*Y* sins, and would have died had i been the ONLY human ever in existence. mix religious ignorance with xenophobia, and murderous riots are never far away, regardless of the religion.
i rather suspect that other religions are similar to christianity, in that they command an approach of one kind or another to the divine, but do *NOT* command killing (if i am wrong, *PLEASE* let me know!!!). i can virtually guarantee that examples of adherents of *every* non-islamic religion killing non-believers can found with lilttle effort. islam, the gangsta booty/rape/sex slavery death cult, is, to the best of my knowledge, the ONLY exception to the rule of its approach to the divine. allah promises “booty” (the english word chosen by *pious* muslim translators) to jihadis if they live through the battle, and 72 whores in jannah if they croak. best of all (from the pious muslim perspective) is that allah will let those who croak in battle into jannah with NO JUDGEMENT. every muslim who does *NOT* die in battle – even if he has been in battle as a jihadi – MUST undergo judgement … and no muslim *ever* knows if what he has done in his life is enough to please muhammed’s sock puppet, allah, until that judgement is over. who knows; this may be why suicide bombing is so popular among the pious ummah.
bottom line: kenan güngör is either a f***ing leftist liar, or an uneducated victim of lying leftist indoctrination, which has replaced education in eurabia (and canadastan, and amrikistan, and …).
b.a. freeman says
sigh … bad editing:
“…the IINA has no reason to make the estimate *LOW*, so this is probably a *HIGH* estimate.”
should be
“…the IINA has no reason to make the estimate *HIGH*, so this is probably a *LOW* estimate.”
gravenimage says
He is probably Muslim with his background, and not a leftist per se.
John says
Islamophilia, islam is islam, and extremist follows the quran, 100% TO THE LETTER.
gravenimage says
Austria: ‘There is a broad consensus that Islamist violence like the attack in Vienna has nothing to do with Islam’
Maybe that consensus is broader than it should be.
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*So true*.
More:
The sociologist Kenan Güngör said in an interview with the ORF religious magazine “Orientation” that he “believes that all Muslims know that it was an attack on them, too”.
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Were this true, then we would not see so many Muslims applauding Jihad terror attacks, like the beheading of the teacher in France. Of course, in reality JIhad terror is a core part of Islam, supported by most Muslims.
Note that this is not dhimmitude, but Taqiyya–Kenan Güngör describes himself as a “an Austrian with Turkish-Kurdish background”.
Giacomo Latta says
Yes, where are the demonstrations of 100,000 Pakistanis in the street demanding Islam reform itself as when they wanted Asia Bibi dead for drinking water from the bottle of a muslim.
gravenimage says
Very true, Giacomo.
Goofy says
There is a broad consensus about global warming, about Covid-19 band a lot of other stuff. Broad consensus may be politically correct but it doesn’t make anything true and it commits nobody.
There is a broad consensus amongst Muslims about the sun setting in murky waters, but that doesn’t make the statement correct. I could live with this idiotic belief as it hurts noone but I cannot live with the rest of the Islamic beliefs which conflict with the laws of all civilized countries including laws on human rights and the laws pertaining to war crimes.
R Thomasson says
There is a broad consensus that Islamist violence like the attack in Vienna has nothing to do with Islam’. Certainly not! BLAME IT ON THE BOOGIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV3DGdbtWeQ
Joe Scott says
Blame islam ??? NEVER
David Kavanagh says
Why do I keep hearing about this god of mercy? I neither want nor need mohammed’s mercy
James Lincoln says
Be careful evaluating a “broad consensus”.
Among hard-core Democrats, there is a “broad consensus” that CNN / MSNBC are reliable news outlets.
And that Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham at Fox are conspiracy theorists.
I’m not kidding, I wish that I were…
OLD GUY says
That is a false consensus, violence is a major factor in the islamic cult. Islam exists through intimidation and violence of its populations.