See the difference? Me neither. pic.twitter.com/vRkGJOoyZ9
— Renée Graham 🏳️🌈 (@reneeygraham) October 31, 2020
I could begin to enumerate all the differences — the beheading of captives, the sex slaves, the jihad massacres, the commodification women and institutionalization of second-class status for them, and so much more, but that would be to act as if the Boston Globe’s Renée Graham were a rational human being. But Graham, like Sam Harris, is so blind with hatred for Trump that the lives destroyed by the Islamic State pale in comparison, in their view, to the atrocities of the Orange Man. There is no reasoning with this kind of frenzied hatred. It would be like trying to reason with a brainwashed member of a sinister religious cult.
Huh!?! says
Someone is stuck on stupid. She clearly needs to study Jihad Watch and learn. Remember to vote and in person.
eddie Mulrenan says
Mohammed married if you could call it that to a 8 yr. Old girl child. She was 12 when he died.. Mamluks and jannisarries muslims thugs storm troopers were formed from children kidnapped from Christian sex slaves… …. Send this bizarre columnists to Iran or taliban.isis i run near east areas.. She will find out the difference between Isis- taliiban and pres. Trumps rep. Supporters then for sure.
gravenimage says
This is grimly true. Just one small point–Aisha was 18 whe n Muhammed finally shuffled off the mortal coil.
Edward of CT. Usa. says
Thank.you for the info. In 1526 after the battle of Mohscs there were15 Million.people living in Hungary then…Turks over ran.most of Hungary ??……… In1680 s the. turks were pushed out . Only TEN million.people remained there. .As a historian said “A pretty Hungarian gal were sold in to SEXUAL slavery etc. for a price of a pair of boots..” That is what happened to One third of the Hungarian. Pop. Then…… This why except for Paprika a turk spice that thrives in their soil NO TRACE of islam remains there from1680, Obviously onward.for sure ..
mortimer says
I agree with Huh!?! Indeed, someone at Boston Globe is making the most stupid and unsupportable comments. It’s over-the-top, even hysterical partisanship without a reasonable point in it.
CogitoErgoSum says
They even have the Biden bus running red lights to get away from them. Notice the hearse keeping up at the end of the line. I guess Joe’s next speech is at the cemetery to get out the Democratic vote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4lu4hm5gcg
Keys says
LOL !
curious george says
CogitoErgoSum says
Notice the hearse keeping up at the end of the line. I guess Joe’s next speech is at the cemetery to get out the Democratic vote.
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Sadly, it appears that IS what the demoncrats are doing. I wonder how many people have voted from the grave in this election?
Gavin Newsom signs bill to mail ballot to every California voter for November election
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/18/gavin-newsom-signs-bill-mail-ballot-every-californ/
Early Voting to Double in 2020
https://www.statista.com/chart/23347/early-voting-total-votes-us-presidential-election/
James Lincoln says
CogitoErgoSum,
I guess I thought that the hearse was for Sleepy Joe – if he went into the “deep sleep”…
revereridesagain says
I love that someone is driving what looks like a hearse. They really must have chased that bus all over town!
CogitoErgoSum says
Hey, you know that bus could be the decoy and Joe actually is in the hearse. Those Democrats are clever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu6PH9E5jiA
curious george says
NO ONE SHOWS UP AT OBAMA-BIDEN RALLIES – NO ONE!
https://canadafreepress.com/article/no-one-shows-up-at-obama-biden-rallies-no-one
THX 1138 says
“Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone.” – Ayn Rand
“There is no reasoning with this kind of frenzied hatred. It would be like trying to reason with a brainwashed member of a sinister religious cult.” – Robert Spencer
Mr. Spencer, whether it’s a sinister or benevolent religion makes no fundamental or consequential difference, that which is accepted on faith, in opposition to or contradicting reason, cannot be proven to be true and such a belief can only be implemented by FORCE . The crucial, fundamental, conflict mankind is perishing from is not Islam versus Christianity, or the mysticism of Marxist socialism versus the mysticism of Hitler’s fascism, it is the conflict of FAITH versus REASON.
“Faith and force . . . are corollaries: every period of history dominated by mysticism, was a period of statism, of dictatorship, of tyranny….
I have said that faith and force are corollaries, and that mysticism will always lead to the rule of brutality. The cause of it is contained in the very nature of mysticism. REASON is the only OBJECTIVE means of communication and of understanding among men; when men deal with one another by means of reason, reality is their OBJECTIVE standard and frame of reference. But when men claim to possess supernatural means of knowledge, no persuasion, communication or understanding are possible. Why do we kill wild animals in the jungle? Because no other way of dealing with them is open to us. And that is the state to which mysticism reduces mankind—a state where, in case of disagreement, men have no recourse except to physical violence….
What is mysticism? Mysticism is the acceptance of allegations without evidence or proof, either apart from or against the evidence of one’s senses and one’s reason. Mysticism is the claim to some non-sensory, non-rational, non-definable, non-identifiable means of knowledge, such as “instinct,” “intuition,” “revelation,” or any form of “just knowing.”
Reason is the perception of reality, and rests on a single axiom: the Law of Identity.
Mysticism is the claim to the perception of some other reality—other than the one in which we live—whose definition is only that it is not natural, it is supernatural, and is to be perceived by some form of unnatural or supernatural means.” – Ayn Rand
Wellington says
“…and such a belief can only be implemented by FORCE.”
Respectfully disagree—and I admire Ayn Rand. Faith can often times be implemented by way of love, compassion, experience and even reason (respecting reason specifically, there are arguments for God and for a particular religion that can take a person to a certain extent in an intellectual journey but whereafter, a la Kierkegaard, a leap of faith is necessary).
Faith is not the problem per se. The problem is an adulterated version of faith, no better example being Islam. By the way, I am an agnostic, have no faith at all, but I do not see the faith of the Christian or Jew as something that can only be implemented by force.
Reconsider. And consider this as well by another skeptic’s sage opinion, one Benjamin Franklin, to wit, if man is bad with religion, imagine what he would be without it. The history of the last hundred years of mankind bitterly proves Franklin’s point, though Islam most assuredly is the exception to Franklin’s rule here.
curious george says
Wellington,
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“And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.”
– Mark 6:11
Wellington says
Thanks for that, curious george.
revereridesagain says
Force may not be necessary in the physical sense, but faith IS the problem as believing in things that can’t possibly exist because one would like them to, or fear death, or long for “divine” justice or “eternal life”, or because one thinks existence is meaningless without gods. I’ve certainly heard all those arguments. I had been atheist for 5 years before I happened to discover Ayn Rand’s work and the philosophical underpinnings of what I had concluded just by observation. Our rights are derived from out nature and we all have the same rights, which may not be violated by force or fraud. What is so hard to understand?
Would you take someone up to the top of a skyscraper and assure them that the Law of Gravity is a supernatural being who loves them and will hold them up in the air if they only have faith? And then give them a shove? Can you imagine the terror such a person would feel? Is that “love”? Those committed to reason and reality feel that chill down our spines when told we must just “have faith”.
And why imply that those of us without religion must be driving around all night robbing ATM machines because Jesus isn’t there to slap our wrists? I, THX 1138, and yourself are “without religion”? I can’t speak for you but I’m not a criminal and neither are any of my fellow atheist friends. Claiming that faith is all that holds evil in check is ignoring, among other things, the entire Islamic world of oppression and slaughter.
James Lincoln says
revereridesagain says,
“I’m not a criminal and neither are any of my fellow atheist friends. Claiming that faith is all that holds evil in check is ignoring, among other things, the entire Islamic world of oppression and slaughter.”
Just an observation from a devout Christian, but you seem to be overly sensitive to any criticism regarding atheism. Even more sensitive than many Christians are regarding criticism of Christianity.
If an atheist criticizes my faith, I simply wish them well and pray for them. And as I’ve said before, I know many atheists and agnostics who are good people and follow the Golden rule – and I consider the fact that they are an atheist or agnostic a nonissue.
Christian faith, if practiced correctly, can help to keep personal bad behavior in check. But there are certainly Christians who stray away from this, and there are atheists / agnostics who are model citizens.
To be clear, the only major faith practiced today that is violent *by nature* is islam…
gravenimage says
Agree, Wellington.
THX 1138 says
What precisely should I reconsider Wellington? The myths of Adam and Eve, Original Sin, A Talking Snake, The Universe Created In 7 Days, Noah’s Ark, The Parting of the Red Sea, A Virgin Birth, The Raising of Lazarus, The Resurrection, The Ascension Into Heaven, The Second Coming, The Rapture, 72 Virgins In Paradise, Camel Urine Cures Cancer?
All of the above violate the confirmed laws of nature, physics, and biology, they violate rationality and science, what is there to reconsider?
Or should I reconsider the Ten Commandments? Does it really take a leap of faith to figure out one should not steal? One should not covet another man’s wife? One should honor one’s mother and father, if they deserve to be honored, after all there are evil parents out there. Should I reconsider loving my neighbor as I love myself? What if my neighbor is Hitler or Ted Bundy, why should I love them? One does not need a leap of faith to establish a rational morality for living on earth.
So please tell me precisely what I should reconsider about religion and why?
Wellington says
What I suggest you reconsider, THX 1138, is not the “events” you mentioned, which I too am fully skeptical of, but rather your statement that faith can only be implemented by force. Faith, as I previously wrote above, can be implemented often times not by force but by other means which are not unethical.
Virtually no Christian today wants to implement Christianity by force. And when in the past many Christians did use force in the name of their faith they were violating the tenets of their creed, contra Muslims who when using force to spread their religion are fulfilling directives straight from the Koran and other Islamic texts. 109 verses in the Koran authorizing force to spread Islam as opposed to 0 verses in the New Testament authorizing force to spread Christianity helps validate what I have stated.
Again, and to be very specific, and speaking as one skeptic to another, I think you are clearly wrong when you state that faith can only be implemented by force. This is the matter I wish you to reconsider.
b.a. freeman says
as Wellington noted above, THX, neither judaism nor christianity must needs be implemented by force. this is *NOT* to say that neither jews nor christians have not been unjustifiably violent and murderous in the past (or in the present, or in the future); it just means that force is completely unnecessary for either religion to gain adherents and flourish.
as a born-again christian, i pray even for pious muslims who wish to see me dead, and in particular, for either the leftist or the muslim who will eventually put a bullet into my head (unless things change *far* more radically than i can envision as possible). just because they are doing evil does not make them unforgivable; God will forgive any living human for *any* sin. all he must do is acknowledge His lordship (and why not? He is *INFINITE*!) and ask forgiveness, and we are forgiven.
islam, OTOH, *commands* its cult members to kill unbelievers. since its perverted, psychopathic “prophet” is the al-insan al-kamil (perfect man; allah says so in quran 33:21), and is therefore the uswa hasana (model of conduct) for every muslim, every muslim strives to be as much like him as possible. thus, to see how a pious muslim is supposed to act, according to the scriptures of islam, one must learn how muhammed acted. muhammed owned sex slaves and labor slaves, forced defeated peoples into sex slavery and labor slavery, and gave people slaves. he issued more than 40 hits on people who had insulted him. he “married” a little girl (6 at time of “marriage,” 9 when “consummated”). he ordered his followers to rob caravans, and kept 20% of the loot for himself; this tradition continued for the remainder of his life. he murdered people who had surrendered to him, then “married” the widows whom he considered the best looking, and muslims have ever since claimed that this was an example of his “generosity.”
one might argue that everybody did these sorts of things back then, and he would be correct. unfortunately, it is blasphemy to criticize muhammed for any of these things (mostly because even *mentioning* what he did is embarrassing to muslims), and the penalty for blasphemy in sharia is death. therefore, *N*O*N*E* of these things can *E*V*E*R* change in islam, because sharia is not just part of islam; it is the legal distillation of the cult’s scriptures. “moderate” muslims who have been hanging around non-muslims for their entire lives might think that they are pious, but they are most likely unaware of these aspects of their religion. this is because most muslims throughout history have been illiterate, and got their religion exclusively through their local imam. europeans were also mostly illiterate at one time, but once the printing press was introduced in the mid-15th century, it spread widely quite fast, books became widely available, and literacy became a much-more valuable (and more-easily obtained) skill. the ummah under the ottomans got a muslim-owned and produced printing press going in the early 18th century, but its use was not widespread until the mid-19th century. according to the explanations by turks which i have read, this was because the ottoman book production “…process was not one of creating demand for the available supply, but matching the supply with the demand…” (see https://icraa.org/ottomans-and-the-printing-press-answering-misconceptions/). the *government* did the “matching,” and most of the ulema (the educated class, as well as the religious elites) preferred pretty hand-copied books over utilitarian mass-printed books. even today, most muslims in muslim-majority s**hole nations are illiterate. literate muslims continue the practice of learning from the imam, not only because the imam has always been seen as the “smart” person in the town, but more because humans resist changing their traditions (ask the left, who have been trying to crush christianity and the nuclear family for over a century).
thus, it is always best to view adherents to a religion on a scale of belief in the scriptures of the religion ranging from total disbelief to total belief (regardless of the actual actions of the adherent). one should also view the behavior of the adherents on a separate scale ranging from total disobedience to the scriptures to total obedience. one cannot know any of this unless one knows the scriptures. learning every religion in the world would take a *long* time, however, so perhaps one should pick the religion with the most misbehaving adherents, and check the scriptures of *that* religion to see if they command violence. using this approach, one may not need to learn more religions than the top 1 or 2. i have enough of a grasp of islam to know that it commands violence, and has done so since its beginning. i also know enough about judaism to know that rabbinical oral tradition teaches peaceful behavior, even though earlier pentateuchal law had violent sections in it. christianity has no violent commands (i am a born-again christian, so i know the new testament).
stay away from islam, because it is a dangerous gangsta cult.
Wellington says
Just one more example demonstrating that the Left is unhinged, vile and stupid.
abad says
+1
THX 1138 says
Leftism is a mystical FAITH. A collection of incoherent, illogical, contradictory, beliefs and ideas closed to and in opposition to REASON and the LAW OF IDENTITY.
Wellington says
Agreed, THX, about Leftism, but what you fail to distinguish here is aberrant kinds of faith and defensible kinds of faith.
As an example, a belief in American exceptionalism is rooted at least in part in faith. Have a problem with this particular faith?
Faith is not the problem. Misguided faith is.
THX 1138 says
How do you establish and confirm what faith based claims are misguided or wrong except by REASON?
And if you can establish right and wrong by reason what need is there to take things on faith?
Wellington says
You ask, “How do you establish and confirm what faith based claims are misguided or wrong except by REASON?”
Not a bad question. I should think that subset of reason known as common sense would go a long way often times in correctly determining what faith based claims are misguided or wrong. Another form of reason, moral intelligence, would be very useful too as would yet another kind of intelligence, street smarts.
And I am not certain that you can establish right and wrong by reason alone. Like you I am a skeptic and my skepticism leads me at times to consider the distinct possibility that the universe is indifferent about us and that right and wrong established by humans using reason alone arguably can be treated with skeptically as much as right and wrong established by some kind of religious faith. For instance, and assuming only reason alone is being invoked, if one society thinks euthanasia is OK with very sick people and another society thinks it is not, which is correct? I suggest that what we are faced with here is the distinct possibility of the relativism of reason.
Ironically, relying upon reason alone itself takes a kind of faith to do so. May I suggest here a tome by the American historian, Carl Becker. The work is “The Heavenly City of the Eighteenth Century Philosophers,” first published in 1932. Becker’s primary thesis is that the so-called rationalists of the 18th century, people like Hume and Voltaire, took as much of a leap of faith believing in reason as people in previous ages did with religion. It’s worth the read I assure you.
b.a. freeman says
“…if you can establish right and wrong by reason what need is there to take things on faith?”
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well, i could say – by reason alone – that i don’t want to die, that i like women and money (or the things that money can buy), and that i should therefore kill all potential rivals and take their women and things for myself. evolution has distilled the “look out for number 1” in me because any contemporaries of my remote ancestors who would rather talk than fight got killed by my ancestors; therefore, i should go with evolutionary flow.
but Jesus died for my sins; i accept that on faith. the world is therefore a safer place, because my behavior is restrained by my love for Him.
gravenimage says
This is not reason, b.a. freeman. We know what the world looks like if everyone adheres to this attitude.
mgoldberg says
What’s the quote….’For all our human potential, the biggest growth is downwards”
The columnist is supposed to have skills digging into info, data- drilling down to discover what’s underneath and also, right in front of the person. Here, a mere picture of cars and people with flags has no meaning whatsoever, unless the context not seen in the picture is supplied. The reported relied only on the picture, manufacturing equivalence when there not only is none, but ignored the obvious differences that such a picture demands be explored. Instead, he defies reason, and pretends, it’s all the same- the same tyranny and homicidism. That the homicidism is nowhere, never in the Trump parade, nor in the man it’s a parade for, is the exact opposite of the parade for Allah- for whom terror in the hearts of unbelievers is mandated.
Ade Fegan says
Boston Globe islamophobes
Wellington says
“…no meaning whatsoever….”
Sums up, mgoldberg, modern Western journalism, Islam, the UN, the EU, and the modern Democratic Party of the USA, among so many other errors mankind has unfortunately produced.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
Comparing these two photos [ISIS and Trump supporters] is an example of a False Equivalence fallacy. That is, there is a false equivalence suggested between those two groups as being of the same nature and purpose because of some superficial similarities. The person posting those photos is conflating patriotism and peaceful political affiliation with terrorism like ISIS. But as Robert Spencer so aptly pointed out, the differences are vast and so the comparison is a grotesque distortion of the truth. Such propaganda could only appeal to retarded people or those whose minds are so biased against reality that the truth has no effect on their thinking. We conservatives who appreciate and respect our president recognize this bigotry because we experience it on a daily basis. But I don’t let this deter me from speaking and caring about the truth and my nation. My sense of duty will always fall in favor of my country over the socialist tyrants who rudely conflate love of country with head-chopping terrorism. Such tactics are the act of unprincipled clowns. They have no respect or integrity for the truth, only fallacious quips that reveal their antifa-loving, America-hating agenda. Sooner or later they will have to face themselves, or spend the rest of their lives wallowing in the disreputable filth of their own making.
He who laughs last, laughs best. And in three days we’ll be laughing our asses off. 🙂
James Lincoln says
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says,
“He who laughs last, laughs best. And in three days we’ll be laughing our asses off. ?”
I needed that.
Best “pick me up” I’ve had today – thanks!
gravenimage says
+1
LB says
“False equivalence fallacy” I was looking for this comment. This is exactly what it is. Someone should tweet at him a picture of his face on one side and a face of a random ISIS jihadi in a similar position on the other and say “See the difference here? Me neither.”
Crusades Were Right says
“See the difference? Me neither.”
This helps explain why leftist Western females keep getting kidnapped, raped and murdered in Third World Islamic hell-holes.
revereridesagain says
The Boston Globe stopped being useful once caged birds when out of fashion and markets stopped wrapping fish in newspaper.
And Robert’s right on the mark in equating Trump haters with cult members. Nearly 20 years of working with cult-opposing organizations made that easy to recognize!
gravenimage says
Boston Globe columnist likens Trump supporters to ISIS
……………
Just grotesque–as though all ISIS were doing was flying flags–and as though all flags have the same meaning. Is this tool also saying that the American flag is the same as the savage flag of ISIS?
Where have Trump supporters been beheading innocent people? This is just grotesque calumny.
tgusa says
If Trump supporters were akin to isis she wouldn’t be spewing this kind of crazy.
gravenimage says
This is quite true.
Krishna says
Her iq must be 60
tgusa says
I can tell that you are a very generous person.
James Lincoln says
Krishna,
Whatever IQ points that she has are not being used to maximum advantage…
Rooster says
It’s morons like Renée Graham that continue the “systemic racism” in America. She can’t even see the difference in the two pictures she posted, but we know she’s on the communist payroll to propagandize their agenda. Patriots will never be fooled by the foolish.
munchenfez says
I have to say, the apparent humanoid named Renée Graham is incredibly fugly as well.
gravenimage says
The witless Renée Graham was also ranting about this administration being Fascist:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/09/22/opinion/is-it-fascism-yet/
Larry says
TDS lives loudly within him.
gravenimage says
Her–but I take your point.
OLD GUY says
Renee Graham what a fool. Wonder what liberal far left school of fake journalism she attended. She needs to report news not make it up. If she can’t see the difference between Trump supporters and ISIS she needs to get a better grade of weed.
Aussie Infidel says
Renee Graham is an ignorant fool – but typical of many modern journalists. The only similarity between Trump supporters and ISIS is that both belong to the species Homo sapiens. But unfortunately ISIS supporters are psychopaths, and their brains have been damaged further by indoctrination with a criminal religious and political ideology.
jil says
this editorial is from people who have never stood up eye to eye with the enemy of the world called Isis – I guarantee if they got a hold of this so called editor – they would make them a sex slave first and then off comes the head – watching what they do to people in person, you can tell how twisted these ISIS guys are – they are all murdering psychopaths- the editor has never seen action up close and personal and will hide from the enemy instead of facing it head on – all they can do is spew out their hate for American citizens
gravenimage says
This is more Renée Graham slandering conservatives than anything else, jil.