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Egypt: Christian arrested for ‘insulting Islam’ on Facebook

Nov 27, 2020 8:00 am By Robert Spencer 32 Comments

A glimpse into the future of the West. This is where the Left’s “hate speech” rhetoric is tending. We are very close to this now, far closer than most people realize, as critics of jihad terror and Sharia oppression of women and others are now routinely excoriated, vilified, demonized, deplatformed, and shunned by all decent people. What is the next step? This. Remember: Biden has pledged to combat “hate speech,” which is any speech that those in power dislike, and a member of his transition team wants to outlaw desecration of the Qur’an. So we are far closer to this than most people think.

An update on this story.

“Christians, Others in Egypt Arrested for ‘Insulting Islam,’” Morning Star News, November 23, 2020:

CAIRO, Egypt (Morning Star News) – A young Christian teacher in northeastern Egypt is facing charges of insulting Islam after he posted comments on Facebook, according to local reports.

Youssef Hany of Ismailia, a city on the Suez Canal 78 miles northeast of Cairo, posted the comments earlier this month in reply to a Muslim who had expressed her opposition to criticisms of Islam by the president of France and other French citizens.

Hany was reportedly arrested on Nov. 11, as was a Muslim woman identified only by her Facebook name, Sandosa, for comments on social media allegedly defaming Islam. The next day they were reportedly charged under Article 98(f) of Egypt’s penal code, which outlaws insulting a “heavenly religion,” namely Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

Hany and the Muslim woman could face up to five years in prison and a fine of 500 to 1,000 Egyptian pounds (about US$30 to US$60) under a law that calls for a minimum of six months of prison. They were released on bail on Nov. 14, one of the attorneys volunteering to represent them told news outlet Al-Monitor.

The attorney, Makarios Lahzy, told Al-Monitor that the charges they are facing are unconstitutional. Egypt’s “blasphemy” law against insulting religion has come under fire for violating the country’s constitutional guarantees of freedom of expression and religious freedom. Used almost exclusively against criticisms of Islam, the law is rarely invoked against frequent, public anti-Christian comments.

The law has also been criticized for arbitrary use. Lahzy, director of the Minority and Religious Groups department of the Egyptian Commission for Rights and Freedoms, said the law “does not clearly and expressly define contempt of or defamation [of religion] and leaves the notion loose and unreliable.”

After Hany’s comments appeared in a heated exchange on Facebook, other social media users circulated the comments, creating a swirl of opposition leading to a Twitter hashtag calling for him to be tried and sentenced with the maximum punishment as an example to others who might criticize Islam, according to online news outlet Al Wafd News.

Advocacy group Copts-United pointed out a social media post calling for Hany and others to be killed.

“He must be killed,” reads a screenshot of the post. “Someone volunteer, people, we will not continue to debate with a few absent-minded minorities…We will squash them…”

While Hany was arrested for allegedly insulting Islam, those who subsequently insulted Christianity and called for Hany to be killed were not detained, Copts-United noted. The group reported that writer Ernest William commented on the arrest of Hany on his Facebook page, asking if Egypt’s blasphemy law applied only to comments critical of Islam.

“Did the authorities not see the comments transcending the contempt for Christianity to contempt for Christians and the outright call to kill not only Mr. Hany, but the Copts as a minority, as one of them claimed?” William wrote.

After Hany’s post circulated online, an attorney filed a complaint against him and his Facebook page at the district attorney’s office, which also received complaints from other lawyers, leading authorities to investigate and arrest him, according to online new outlet Al Masry Alyoum….

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Comments

  1. Raymond Hietapakka says

    Nov 27, 2020 at 8:21 am

    …3 day FB posting ban for calling some loser a “class-A dick”…

    Reply
    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Nov 27, 2020 at 12:40 pm

      Facebook hands out a three day ban for calling someone a “class-A dick” and yet YouTube has no problem at all with allowing a racist video such as this one to remain on its site:

      Reply
      • CogitoErgoSum says

        Nov 27, 2020 at 12:41 pm

        Well, what do you know. At least they do make it a bit harder to watch if you post a link to it.

        Reply
      • Keith O says

        Nov 27, 2020 at 3:41 pm

        Amazing what a bit of artful editing will achieve.
        You ask the same question about blacks to a group of Asians or Hispanics about Blacks and see what the answers would be.
        And, yeah, Farce book should have taken this down asap!

        Reply
  2. mortimer says

    Nov 27, 2020 at 9:19 am

    The Leftist/Globalist inquisition is here. Twitter is the head office. Facebook follows the lead of twitter.

    Biden is no friend of freedom of expression. The American Left now wants ‘compelled speech’ in all domains of life. Any dissenters (so they believe) are heretics who must be made jobless and homeless and left to starve or freeze on the streets as their punishment for disagreeing with the Leftist/Globalist apparatchiks.

    They are hysterical.

    Reply
  3. Michael Avery says

    Nov 27, 2020 at 9:25 am

    Sounds like Britain

    Reply
  4. guenter says

    Nov 27, 2020 at 9:32 am

    mortimer as stupid as usual and indeed hysterical with his sick babbling. its not even clear if he is referring to the “class a dick” of his before-poster (a type of remarks which will always be banned by FB, whoever says it) or if he talks about this islamic law in egypt, which isnt leftwing at all, but MAINLY used against leftwingers and atheists (while the far rightwing “thoughts” of mortimer &co.comes very close to those of the islamists).
    also, “globalisation” is an objective process inside his beloved capitalism, which cant neither be introduced nor stopped by the decision of a few politicians (“leftwing introduced globaliation”-LOL).if he dont wanna globalisation, than he must go against capitalism.

    Reply
    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Nov 27, 2020 at 11:18 am

      Guenter, from your study of the Koran could you explain to me your understanding of how abrogation works concerning the verses of the Koran and also your understanding of whether or not verse 9:29 concerning the Jizya has ever been abrogated?

      Reply
      • guenter says

        Nov 27, 2020 at 7:34 pm

        cogito, ur reply is beside the point and has nothing to do with what i said to mortimor. to funny that u seem to think i had anything to do with the quoran- iam fighting the islam since 1979. so u see how prejudice leads u to totally wrong suspicions.

        and its not worth to reply the paranoid phantasies of wpm.

        Reply
        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Nov 27, 2020 at 8:07 pm

          I’m not sure how asking you to explain your understanding of abrogation and how it relates to verse 9:29 makes me prejudiced but – okay. I’m not wasting my time with any more of your dumb-ass comments. I shall ignore anything posted under your name from now on. Thanks for nothing.

    • Brando says

      Nov 27, 2020 at 12:37 pm

      You said:

      “if he doesn’t want globalisation, than he must go against capitalism.”

      Globalization is NOT the Same Thing as Capitalism: it has ASPECTS of it.

      1.ADAM SMITH in 1776 wrote “The Wealth of Nations” which has his THEORY of CAPITALISM.

      2.The book is in favor of FREE MARKET in ECONOMICS and is against MERCANTILISM.

      3.Free Market is Against MONOPOLIES by BIG TECH companies.While GLOBALIZATION is in Favor of it,

      the FACTS of how they BEHAVE show it.

      Reply
      • Brando says

        Nov 27, 2020 at 12:43 pm

        PLUS:

        1. Adam Smith’s greatest statement regarding the NEED for GOVERNMENT REGULATION of CAPITALISM

        occurs at the END of BOOK ONE of the “Wealth of Nations”

        2. It is Against Monopolies because MONOPOLIES Hurt Capitalism.

        3.This is because monopolies tend to be FAR LESS EFFICIENT, since they have NO REAL Competitors threatening to break into their market.

        Reply
      • guenter says

        Nov 27, 2020 at 7:30 pm

        brando: but we are living since long in the age of big trusts and monopolies, morover in an age where the power of the monopolies and the state did become one, as statemonopolist capitalism. the age of free market is long gone and cant be restored..

        Reply
        • gravenimage says

          Nov 27, 2020 at 11:38 pm

          No, monopolies and state monopolies are not Capitalist–Capitalism is free trade. If the state is enforcing this, then it has elements of either Fascism or Socialism.

          And note that guenter *still* has not said anything against Jihad and Shari’ah here.

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 27, 2020 at 11:34 pm

      I see that the appalling guenter is again insulting Anti-Jihadists here for daring to oppose the abuse of Infidels. Just sickening.

      Then he claims that understanding the vicious laws of Islam are somehow irrelevant.

      He wrote, replying to CogitoErgoSum:

      cogito, ur (sic) reply is beside the point and has nothing to do with what i said to mortimor (sic). to (sic) funny that u (sic) seem to think i (sic) had anything to do with the quoran- iam fighting the islam since 1979.
      ……………..

      Well, *this* is an interesting Freudian slip. I suppose he meant to say “nothing” rather than “anything”–but given his never having opposed any of the horrors of Islam here, including in his posts above, I think he was right the first time…

      Reply
      • guenter says

        Nov 28, 2020 at 8:21 am

        LOL. i was waiting that nonsense girl grapefruitimage -the nanny of mortimer- rushed in to speak for the child she protects and declare that monopols have nothing to do with capitalism !hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

        note: since a year she´s to stupid to fnd my several anti-jihad postings on the jw-website and speaks slander which is punishable by law. in my country she would end up in psychiatry for her mad babbling.

        she must be highly frustrated now, that all her huge skills for lies, slander and falsifications couldnt help the trumpeters to win the election.

        but dont worry, lil´nonense-girl, ur uncle donald may start a little civilwar to keep himself and clowns like u in power.

        Reply
        • gravenimage says

          Nov 28, 2020 at 5:24 pm

          guenter wrote:

          LOL. i (sic) was waiting that nonsense girl grapefruitimage -the nanny of mortimer- rushed in to speak for the child she protects and declare that monopols (sic) have nothing to do with capitalism !hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
          ……………………………

          My standing with other Anti-Jihadists here does not make me their “nanny”–Anti-Jihadists stand with each other on a regular basis. That guenter considers this an abberation is very odd.

          In fact, he himself has spouted apologia for Marx and Trotsky–rather ineptly, but still, this is much the same.

          Then, no–there is no way that any company can enforce a monopoly in a democracy–businesses do not have that kind ot power, and democracies don’t act like that.

          So the only places you can find true monopolies are in Socialist, Fascist, and other authoritarian nations.

          More:

          note: since a year she´s to (sic) stupid to fnd my several anti-jihad postings on the jw-website and speaks slander which is punishable by law. in my country she would end up in psychiatry for her mad babbling.
          ……………………………

          This is guenter claiming–as he has many times–that there is some sort of secret German Jihad Watch–or something–where he regularly posts Anti-Jihad comments. He has refused scores of times to link to this site, whatever it might be–and he does not link to it here, either.

          Of course, he might just post Anti-Jihad comments here–but he never has, including on this thread.

          And the idea that I can be punished by German law–or commited to an institution–for not finding this mythical site is just bizarre.

          More:

          she must be highly frustrated now, that all her huge skills for lies, slander and falsifications couldnt help the trumpeters to win the election.

          but dont worry, lil´nonense-girl, ur uncle donald may start a little civilwar to keep himself and clowns like u in power.
          ……………………………

          This is just really odd–no, I just voted. Voting is not “lying”, whatever guenter might believe.

          And if guenter is *actually* Anti-Jihad, as he keeps claiming, why would he have a problem with a leader who cut Muslim immigration by 90%, who supports Israel against Jihad, and who has cut aid to Nigeria and Pakistan due to their support of Jihad terror and their enabling the persecution and murder of their non-Muslim populations?

          Why would any Anti-Jihadist oppose these measures? Of course, he does not say.

          Then, it is the Left here that threatened civil war if Biden did not win. Where has President Trump ever said any such thing? Citations, please. (Not that I will be holding my breath, of course…).

      • guenter says

        Nov 28, 2020 at 10:50 pm

        i wont reply to nonsense girl gravenimage again, who was often enough proofed as an professionel liar and falsificator who does twist any word around.

        first she claimed again that i never ever posted on jw, then -after almost 2 years- she suddenly found one (1) of many dozens postings of mine on a site where she always claimed not to excist.

        also, she replies all of my postings to any other person, what has nothing to do wth “standing for each ohter” cause never others replied for her. she is simply a “domina” (i pity her husband) who wanna dominate anything and acts as if she knows anything better, while she says so highly funny things as, , monopols (big trusts) dont excist in usual capitalist countries as in USA.

        Nobody over here does take such persons serious. if we lived in the same country, i would invite her to speak on political events that she coud ridicoule herself in public.

        over here this is my last timewasting reply to her. and if others, as wilkinson, dont forbid her to speak for them, then i will also no more reply to them, sorry.
        silly provocateurs like her destroy any possible conversation.

        Reply
        • guenter says

          Nov 28, 2020 at 11:03 pm

          P.S:: sorry for wilkinson. i meant lincoln

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 29, 2020 at 12:00 am

          guenter wrote:

          i (sic) wont (sic) reply to nonsense girl gravenimage again, who was often enough proofed (sic) as an (sic) professionel (sic) liar and falsificator (sic) who does twist any word around.
          ………………………….

          What have I ever said here that is untrue? Citations, please. Note that guenter has never been able to cite a single thing.

          Then, guenter has vowed many times not to reply to me, yet he keeps on going.

          More:

          first (sic) she claimed again that i (sic) never ever posted on jw, then -after almost 2 years- she suddenly found one (1) of many dozens (sic) postings of mine on a site where she always claimed not to excist (sic).
          ………………………….

          This is of course untrue. I have been asking guenter to link to this site for ages, whatever it might be. This was the first time–on this very thread–that he mentioned Jihad Watch’s Facebook page. And even here, he would not link to it–I had to track it down myself. Then, he has never posted anything against Jihad here on the this site, including on this thread.

          He got a lot of things wrong in that post on Facebook, as I noted, but this *was* generally an Anti-Jihad post–the first such that I have seen in the years he has been posing here at Jihad Watch.

          More:

          also (sic), she replies all (sic) of my postings to any other person, what has nothing to do wth “standing for each ohter (sic)” cause (sic) never others replied for her. she (sic) is simply a “domina” (i pity her husband) who wanna dominate anything and acts as if she knows anything better, while she says so highly funny things as, , monopols (sic) (big trusts) dont excist (sic) in usual capitalist countries as in USA.
          ………………………….

          The idea that I must be a bad wife because I oppose the horrors of Communism that guenter so often champions is simply bizarre. How so?

          Then, no–there are no businesses in the United States that can enforce a monopoly. The United States does not engage in such enforcement on the behalf of any company. Ergo, any business can set up as a rival. This happens all the time, often very successfully. There was a period where MySpace was ubiquitous–and Blackberry, and Blockbuster, and Compaq, and many others–but this is no longer the case. Blackberry was so ubiquitous it was known as the “Crackberry”–but now it is defunct.

          And I think this first is my referring to guenter in the third person. I directly address honest actors here; that does not include guenter. Hence, I dissect his twaddle for any other readers here who may be interested.

          More:

          Nobody over here does (sic) take such persons serious (sic). if we lived in the same country, i (sic) would invite her to speak on political events that she coud ridicoule (sic) herself in public.
          ………………………….

          Actually, guenter has previously said that if I were in Germany and opposed Communism that I would be dragged into court, fined for “slander”, and then committed to a mental hospital. His now saying that I would merely “ridcoule” myself seems to indicate he is back-pedalling here. Interesting…

          More:

          over (sic) here this is my last timewasting reply to her. and if others, as wilkinson (sic), dont (sic) forbid her to speak for them, then i (sic) will also no more (sic) reply to them, sorry.
          silly provocateurs like her destroy any possible conversation.
          ………………………….

          Actually, guenter has said several times that he will not only never reply to me again, but that he is done with the Anti-Jihadists here in general. Here is one such post:

          guenter says

          Oct 26, 2020 at 9:32 am

          a little byebye gift of mine for a number of raving nonsense-clowns around here…

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/10/north-carolina-leftist-who-wanted-to-kill-biden-to-save-bernie-had-pro-jihad-video-praised-9-11#comment-2287163

          That was from over a month ago.

          Then, I don’t speak for anyone but myself, and have never pretended to do otherwise.

          And if guenter is unable to speak to anyone who doesn’t share his twisted views on Communism, then he must be a *very* lonely guy.

          And who is “wilkinson”? Does he mean Wellington, or has he just renamed James Lincoln, or is this some other unrelated reference?

    • James Lincoln says

      Nov 28, 2020 at 10:43 am

      guenter,

      I have read most of your recent posts here at Jihad Watch.

      Do you support the Anti-Jihad movement?

      1. Yes.

      2. No.

      If “No”, which of the following do you support:

      1. islam.

      2. Communism.

      3. Leftism.

      Simple questions, readers deserve to know exactly where you stand. No need to deflect, resort to name-calling, etc.

      Reply
      • guenter says

        Nov 28, 2020 at 2:01 pm

        lincoln: i dont think that u read most of my comments in the last 1-2 years on the facebook-postings of jw (i guess u mean those below the full-length articles here) otherwise it was out of quest for you to doubt my anti-jihadism (i prefer the term anti-islamism, cause jihad is not the only problematic part of that cult). gravenimage claims, that every discussion which does touch other subjects, means that this person is not antijihadist- while her type of people here, espec. since the elections, does discuss other subjects than islam all the time.

        also ur demagoguel rhetoric, to ask if someone does support antijihadism OR “something else”, as leftism, does include the wrong assumtion, that someone leftwing cant be antijihadist, while in plain opposite, conservative and rightwing views are in many subjects much closer to islamic thinking than leftwing thinking.

        some leftwingers may underrate the danger of islamism and refugee-wave, but having a wrong opinion is not the same than actively supporting islam or jihadism. but this foul narrative (leftism=jihadism) did guys like spencer effectively implant in the heads here. while a few times he also praised leftwing antijiahd-activists as mina ahadi, a iranian women in german, but did hide from his readers that she is far left. and while i once said to gravenimage, that he hides that with intention, she claimed that this has no importance while giving me the silly answer “he also didnt inform what icecream she likes”.–
        –
        so, we discussed that here all before, and i neither have the time to discuss the whole subject again, nor do i have the impression from u yet, that u may understand more than she did.

        Reply
        • James Lincoln says

          Nov 28, 2020 at 3:57 pm

          guenter,

          From your reply, it appears that that you believe in:

          1. anti-islamism

          as well as

          2. leftwing thinking.

          Am I correct in that assumption?

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 28, 2020 at 6:00 pm

          guenter wrote:

          lincoln (sic): i (sic) dont (sic) think that u (sic) read most of my comments in the last 1-2 years on the facebook-postings of jw (i (sic) guess u (sic) mean those below the full-length articles here) otherwise it was out of quest (sic) for you to doubt my anti-jihadism (i (sic) prefer the term anti-islamism, cause (sic) jihad is not the only problematic part of that cult). gravenimage claims, that every discussion which does touch other subjects, means that this person is not antijihadist- while her type of people here, espec. since the elections, does discuss other subjects than islam all the time.
          …………………………..

          Actually, I have never claimed that comments that touch on other subjects mean that one is not an Anti-Jihadist–I have instead noted that guenter has never posted Anti-Jihad comments here–not once. Very odd for a supposed Anti-Jihadist.

          If he is referring to Jihad Watch’s Facebook page, I have not seen his comments there, either.

          https://www.facebook.com/JihadWatch/

          I did a search, and cannot find any of this comments there, even in the past. He could link to any such comments–but then, he has never done so, and probably will not now.

          More:

          also ur (sic) demagoguel (sic) rhetoric, to ask if someone does support antijihadism OR “something else”, as leftism, does include the wrong assumtion (sic) , that someone leftwing cant (sic) be antijihadist, while in plain opposite, conservative and rightwing views are in many subjects much closer to islamic thinking than leftwing thinking.
          …………………………..

          How are Conservatives Jihadists? Citations, please.

          Then, it is certainly possible to be Leftist and Anti-Jihad at the same time–but guenter usually comes here to either flog Communism or to insult Anti-Jihadists. So his being far-Left and Anti-Jihad at the same time is not something he has ever demonstrated.

          More:

          some (sic) leftwingers may underrate the danger of islamism and refugee-wave, but having a wrong opinion is not the same than actively supporting islam or jihadism. but this foul narrative (leftism=jihadism) did guys like spencer (sic) effectively implant in the heads here. while (sic) a few times he also praised leftwing antijiahd-activists (sic) as mina ahadi (sic), a iranian women in german (sic), but did hide from his readers that she is far left. and while i once said to gravenimage, that he hides that with intention, she claimed that this has no importance while giving me the silly answer “he also didnt (sic) inform what icecream she likes”.–
          …………………………..

          Yes, there are some on the Left–as everywhere else on the piolitical spectrum–who underestimate the threat of Islam without actually supporting Jihad–I have noted this many times myself. But there are also Leftists who actively support Islam. This exists among Conservatives, as well, but is *far* rarer. There is nothing wrong with actually acknowledging this.

          Then, guenter presenting “he also didnt inform what icecream she likes” as an exact quote from me is terribly dishonest–for one thing, I am not so illiterate.

          Here is the *actual* exchange:

          guenter says

          Aug 18, 2020 at 11:09 pm

          what mr. spencer does not mention in his article -for public like u- is the fact, that this wellknown critic of Islam and founder of the councils of ex-muslims is also since decades a leading member of the workercommunist Party of Iran, as i told u some time ago. he must hide that fact cause it would contradict his constant Claims about “the” leftwing to be pro-Islam, ignoring the many who are not at all.

          gravenimage says

          Aug 18, 2020 at 11:37 pm

          Robert Spencer doesn’t mention that Ahadi was married, nor that she is opposed to male circumcision, either–nor what her favorite ice cream flavor is. It is not possible to cite everything about a person in every article.

          The idea that Spencer is “hiding” this is of course absurd.

          Muslims are targeting Ms. Ahadi because she is an apostate and critic of Islam–they would likely send her death threats if she was a conservative Christian just as much as her being a communist Atheist.

          One can condemn a person getting death threats–that does not mean that one has to agree with the victim on all political points.

          https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/08/germany-critic-of-islam-gets-new-wave-of-death-threats-as-soccer-team-features-mosque-on-its-jersey#comment-2265987

          Of course I stand by this. The idea that Robert Spencer has to laud Communism if he cites a story is ridiculous.

          More:
          –
          so, we discussed that here all before, and i (sic) neither have the time to discuss the whole subject again, nor do i (sic) have the impression from u (sic) yet, that u (sic) may understand more than she did.
          …………………………..

          By this guenter means that he is not convinced that James Lincoln is easier to manipulate into serving as a stooge for the horrors of Communism. He is certainly correct there.

      • guenter says

        Nov 28, 2020 at 4:45 pm

        lincoln: yes thats correct. (why had ur new posting no new reply button?). and, because gravenimage claims since a very long time, never to have seen any of my postings on the frontside, i include now what i just posted there about the new clash of the pakistani ruling muslims with their other, ahmadiya muslims:

        ..then we´ll have a new wave of ahmadi refugees here. they got an official status in germany same as the church!! but they are not better or more democratic than the govtm muslims, as they claim. the same fundamentalists!
        · Antworten · 1 Min.

        Reply
        • gravenimage says

          Nov 28, 2020 at 6:12 pm

          guenter wrote:

          lincoln (sic): yes thats (sic) correct. (why had ur (sic) new posting no new reply button?). and, because gravenimage claims since a very long time, never to have seen any of my postings on the frontside, i (sic) include now what i just posted there about the new clash of the pakistani ruling muslims with their other, ahmadiya muslims:
          ……………………………

          Every layer of replies indents–obviously this cannot proceed indefinitely. So after a point comments do not have reply buttons–but you can reply on the same thread by simply clicking on the last reply button above the post in question. I have actually explained this to guenter several times–it’s not rocket science.

          Then, where has guenter provided a link–if that is what he is claiming? There is no link here.

          More:

          ..then (sic) we´ll have a new wave of ahmadi refugees here. they (sic) got an official status in germany (sic) same as the church!! but (sic) they are not better or more democratic than the govtm (sic) muslims, as they claim. the same fundamentalists!
          · Antworten · 1 Min.
          ……………………………

          Actually, the Ahmadi do not wage violent Jihad, which is a good thing. But they do still believe in imposing Shari’ah law, and they regularly whitewash orthodox Islam for the ‘filthy Infidels’.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 28, 2020 at 6:22 pm

          I checked the Jihad Watch Facebook page again and guenter *has* now actually posted something there, in reply to the post by a Mike Krick on the story about Ahmadis in Pakistan:

          Günter Meisinger
          Mike Krick there are no good ones.. the ahmadya muslims in pakistan, named after their founder, all get asylum in europe for the claim to be different/more democratic than the rruling govtm muslims. but their only quarrell with them is about a)who the real follower of the prophet was, and b) while the usual musims still await the return of muhammad, the A.´s claim, that their calif aready is the returned or reborn one. this makes them deathworthy in the eyes of the others. but they are the same type of quran followers who wanna kill the jews, christians an dother “nonbelievers”.

          https://www.facebook.com/JihadWatch/

          He could have linked to it–but did not.

          He got several things wrong here, though. Muslims do not await the return of Muhammad. Then, Ahmadis do not actually wage violent Jihad.

          Then, it seems unlikely that Germany and the rest of Europe–which deny the threat of orthodox Muslims–is actually giving special status to Ahmadis.

          Nonetheless, errors and all, this *is* an actual Anti-Jihad post from guenter.

  5. wpm says

    Nov 27, 2020 at 10:43 am

    Mortimer is talking about Biden in his remarks, and yes Biden talk about censoring “hate speech”. Mortimer did not say he told someone he is a” class A dick” on face book or tweeter “Raymond Hietakka ” posted on this site he did. Calling someone a “class A dick” is insulting but not a crime on line or in person, threating to kill someone on line or in person is a crime, or encouraging a violent mob against someone who holds a different religious or political opinion is terrorism. Islamic law is used against all ,atheist, Jews Christians ,western cultural, western freedom of speech, in every part of the world. Yes the media giants and the people on the left, BLM, and others want to dox you so you can not hold a job, live freely because you hold a different political opinion. They want a list of Trump supports just as stated by AOC and other squad leaders and to dox plus boycott other backers of western cultural , capitalist free market, free and open markets place of ideas. The left have adopted a terrorist methods to advance their opinions by trying to censor others ,threating the jobs of people who political opinion clashes with their” world view”.

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  6. Westman says

    Nov 27, 2020 at 12:29 pm

    The laziness and corruptions of politicians are proportional to their creation of laws which are useful as weapons. The adoption of controlled-speech laws is a signature of totalitarian societies, whether secular, theocratic, or both.

    We have endlessly observed Islamic nations persecuting criticism instead of being tolerant or checking its validity. Such societies remain stagnant.

    And now the UK and US are turning into “snitch” societies over masks and gatherings during this pandemic. We certainly don’t want this same behavior created by new laws canceling free speech. This is the road to thought control that Orwell described in the novel, 1984.

    The real Al-Azhar reasoning for “blasphemy” laws?: “We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”
    ― George Orwell, author, from the novel 1984

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  7. Infidel says

    Nov 27, 2020 at 2:45 pm

    Of course! It’s only obvious that non-Muslims in Muslim countries like Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh will go out of their way to criticize Islam/Muslims for slights against the religion, despite knowing fully well the retribution that will follow! Such geniuses, those Muslim authorities!

    While we should definitely prefer the Arab bloc within Islam to the Turkish one, this should give us pause about giving those countries – be it Saudi Arabia, Egypt or any of those ‘moderate’ countries – a carte blanche on human rights

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  8. gravenimage says

    Nov 27, 2020 at 11:25 pm

    Egypt: Christian arrested for ‘insulting Islam’ on Facebook
    ………………..

    Just awful–this *poor man*. And more proof that Al Sisi is not the “moderate” many hoped he was.

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  9. Rob R (Brit stuck in Britainistan) says

    Nov 28, 2020 at 5:30 am

    “critics of jihad terror and Sharia oppression of women and others are now routinely excoriated, vilified, demonized, deplatformed, and shunned by all decent people”

    Why are the quote marks around “decent” missing…?

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