If Macron is serious about enforcing “republican values” in France, which is by no means clear, he is likely to find that the “political Islam” he has criticized is far more deeply embedded than he thinks.
“Harassment: after virulent comments about Islam, teenagers threatened with death,” translated from “Harcèlement : après des propos virulents sur l’islam, des adolescents menacés de mort,” by L. Feuerstein, N. Perez, and D. Fuchs, France 3, November 18, 2020 (thanks to Mason):
The spark that ignited the powder started from a video on social networks, posted three days after the assassination of Samuel Paty. It was a criticism of Islam and religion by a homosexual high school student; immediately hateful comments are sent to him. He sent copies of them to France Télévision. “Dirty PD of your dead walahi [I swear to Allah] I will find you and slit your throat”, said one of them. “We’re going to find you and behead you,” threatens another.
“Her life has changed”
Now, the young man says he fears for his safety. Another high school student, Mila, 17, was also threatened in the week of November 16 for harsh words about Islam. Since her first statements in January, she has reportedly received 50,000 insulting messages on social media. “Her life has changed: she is 17 years old, she lives like the people of ‘Charlie Hebdo’ now, bunkered. It’s unbearable ”, testifies Mr. Richard Malka, her lawyer….
SB says
Deport, deport, deport, and stop bringing them to civilized country’s!
I can eat my words, I just thought about fake president Biden.
John Hawk says
I wonder if it ever occurs to these mindless suck-ups of Morris “Mo” Ham Head that either Allah cuckoo or they are.
DavidR says
It seems that Muslims are trending away from pretending they’re the religion of peace.
eduardo odraude says
Muslim leaders and their fanatics are following the pattern of Muhammad: when weak, you call for mutual tolerance between Muslims and non-Muslims. When Muslims have gained sufficient strength, wage jihad in order to subjugate the unbelievers under an Islamic ethos about what may be done and said. Later, the use of violence and intimidation to impose an ethos will become the use of violence to transform ethos into actual Islamic law.
Jim Haugland says
They play the victim until their populations are large enough to expand and establish political clout, then their demands for special treatment increase with the ultimate goal to establish Sharia Law displacing local and national law. Condemnation of Jews and Christians continue with verbal and physical violence against them.
Wellington says
It will take a de Gaulle to rescue France from itself. Macron doesn’t come anywhere near “cutting it.” He’s at best a Renaud, at worst a Daladier.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
Makes me wonder how someone like Viktor Orbán would handle the islamic problems in France…
Christopher Watson says
Viktor Orban wouldn’t have to because he wouldn’t have allowed so many moslems into his country. The number would be zero.
Keith O says
Let me get this straight, 50,000 threatening messages on social media for young Mila?
I wonder how many of them were said to “breach community standards”?
For far too long there have been two sets of rules and now, I wouldn’t mind betting that the individual who threatened this high school student and made death threats didn’t “breach community standards” either.
This behavior has become so entrenched and people have become so conditioned to it that, unfortunately, this sort of thing is the new normal and the population has been conditioned to accept it.
gravenimage says
France: High school student criticizes Islam, Muslim responds, ‘I swear to Allah, I will slit your throat’
………………
French authorities need to protect this kid.
mortimer says
Robert Spencer identifies that Macron “is likely to find that the “political Islam” he has criticized is far more deeply embedded than he thinks.”
Indeed, it is.
Fr Henri Boulad said: “Islamism is not a caricature, nor a counterfeit, nor a heresy, nor a fringe or atypical phenomenon versus classical, orthodox, Sunnite Islam.
To the contrary, I think Islamism is naked Islam, Islam without a mask and without paint, Islam perfectly consistent and true to itself, an Islam that has the courage and lucidity to go all the way to its ultimate conclusions and final implications.
Islamism is Islam in all its logic and in all its rigour. Islamism is present in Islam as the chick is present in the egg, as the fruit is present in the flower and as the tree is present in the seed.
Islamism is political Islam, the bearer of a project for a model society and whose aim is to establish a theocratic state based on Sharia, the only legitimate law—since it is divine—since it was revealed and enshrined in the Koran and Sunna—it’s a law that applies to everything.
Here is an all-inclusive and all-encompassing project, one that is total, totalizing and totalitarian.
For Islam is a whole, at the same time a faith and a cult, an outlook and a moral system, a way of life and vision of the world. Uncompromising, it offers salvation or perdition. Islam is the truth that may not be doubted and its adherents form “the best of people”.
Islam is at once a religion, a state and a society—din wa dawla.”
gravenimage says
Yes–how many times do we see Muslims posing with the Qur’an and a sword (or gun)?
Carol says
Right you are, my dear fellow American Jewish Atheist!
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
After hundreds of French bodies have been sacrificed on the alter of political correctness, perhaps the time has finally come when the politicians realize the worshipers of the child molester, sex slave owner, rapist, mass murderer, have been fixing for a show down for quite some time now. These people only respect power. Compromise is seen as weakness. Know your enemy.
mortimer says
The only way to deprogram jihadists is to convince them the Koran is of human origin.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, when have Muslims ever been “deprogrammed” against their will?
John Hawk says
Well, they were deprogrammed against their will in Iraq and Syria by the U.S. Air Force.
Rod says
I suppose with a sufficient quantity of high explosive, the USA could deprogram anybody. There are lots of folk now six feet under in many, many parts of the world who could testify.
Were all those Iraqis deprogrammed, killed, made homeless, made refugees, and/or made into terrorists in Operation Iraqi Freedom, or was it Operation Iraqi Liberation?
eduardo odraude says
Rod,
99% of civilian casualties in Iraq have been documented as caused by insurgents blowing themselves up in crowds and making no effort to avoid killing civilians. Even the website Iraq Body Count, hardly a pro-Iraq-war site, shows when one looks through all the documentation of each civilian death, that 99% were caused by jihadist insurgents’ indiscriminate methods, as well as by Sunnis massacring Shia civilians and Shia massacring Sunni civilians, while both massacred Christian civilians. And you, Rod, are making yourself complicit in those deaths, because you try to hide them and their source.
gravenimage says
True, Eduardo.
Rod says
Holy smokes Eduardo, am I to believe that all those bombs and missiles, made in USA, launched from US bombers and US ships, didn’t go off? I watched lots of explosions on my TV on the great day the US Liberation was launched. (Must have been storm clouds.)
I understood Baghdad was extensively damaged, including vital services, like power, water supply and sewerage, which caused major health problems and deaths for innocent civilians. All part of the US “liberation” process. And later Fallujah was almost completely destroyed by attacking US forces. How? Not explosives?
But don’t you think an enquiry is warranted into why US bombs don’t work? Long overdue.
This fake news really is a problem, isn’t it? In my country, we have our own non-American journalists and photographers. They must all be lying too. Disgraceful!
gravenimage says
This is what “Rod” does–when told that a Muslim threatens to slit the throat of an Infidel teacher in France that it is–somehow–actually the fault of the US military. Bad dhimmis!
eduardo odraude says
To a certain extent, “deprogramming” cannot happen against the cultist’s will, and yet it often does take place only with quite a struggle intellectually and spiritually. People who at first rejected their “deprogrammers” as liars are sometimes at last brought to see the truth that Islam was produced by “the most obvious false prophet in all of history,” as David Wood puts it. He describes how numbers of Muslims write comments calling him a liar, then some time later write again to thank him for helping them to recognize Islam as a lie.
gravenimage says
I *do* believe that it is important to expose the horrors of Islam–but to do so simply hoping that this some Muslims will also find this appalling makes little sense. After all, truly pious Muslims *know* how violent Islam is, and like it that way.
James Lincoln says
mortimer,
This deprogramming of muslims has had very limited success. That being said, David Wood has convinced a few muslims to leave islam – basically one-offs.
In order for this to happen:
1. The muslim is on the fence about islam and is starting to question, etc.
2. “Deprogramming” must be voluntary in a Western society.
3. The muslim has to feel safe about leaving islam (regarding his family and geographical area.)
Did I forget anything Jihad Watch readers?
eduardo odraude says
Depends what you mean by “very limited.” That is not how David Wood characterizes it. He says occasionally he will go back to look at comments on his videos, and that he then finds, even if he only looks at a single comments thread, numerous comments by Muslims saying they have left Islam because of Wood’s videos. And Wood points out that he is just one of many Islam critics fostering apostasy via the internet.
I think Wood has at least four videos in which he goes over some of the comments by people leaving Islam because of his videos. Also, many Muslims do not leave Islam publicly, but privately, for obvious reasons. If they go public, they tend to be shunned by many former Muslims, may be disowned or sometimes even killed by relatives, etc., will also receive death threats and sometimes violence from strangers and jihadists and, depending on the country, may get killed or imprisoned by an Islam-influenced government.
James Lincoln says
eduardo odraude,
Thank you for the reply.
I certainly hope that the percent of muslims leaving islam due to deprogramming / reasoning, etc. , is not as limited as I believe.
Nothing would make me happier than to be totally wrong!
gravenimage says
Exactly, James.
Rod says
When a single crazed fanatic says something like : ‘I swear to Allah, I will slit your throat’,
is it more, or less dangerous and contemptible than a world leader speaking to the United Nations, who threatens to “totally destroy” an entire other country?
(No, I’m not recalling Adolf Hitler, though the mentality, intellect, and attitude are remarkably similar.)
I suppose in the Jihadwatch world, there are good and bad forms of manic, criminally irresponsible behaviour. You just need someone like Mr Spencer to help you know which is which.
eduardo odraude says
You just need a bit of intelligence and honesty to know which is which, “Rod.” Because if you were half-way informed and half-way honest, you would not act as if this were a “single crazed fanatic.” Anyone who dares to publicly criticize Islam and its global totalitarian program gets extremely numerous death threats and all too often actual violence. And you, Rod, are making yourself part of that lying, criminal movement. So I have to ask, Rod, are you a sociopath?
Also, in response to your initial question, since you seem to be hampered by some mental debility in answering it for yourself, I’ll ask you in return, was there any moral difference between the bombing of Dresden by the Allies during WW2, and what Hitler did? Both actions were horrible and yet there is a difference, for one thing because the Allies, in laying waste to Dresden, were fighting for democracy and the rights of the individual and fighting against Hitler’s spreading dictatorship, genocide, and madness. Such obvious differences should not need to be pointed out, but evidently you need that help, Rod. And you have no justification for whining about insults, when you started this by making a snarky, arrogant, ignorant comment. Your mediocre or low IQ could be tolerated, after all, that can’t be helped, and even ignorance can be tolerated, but your combination of stupidity with arrogance and snark, well, that is really asking to be put in your place.
Rod says
Dresden? Are we changing the subject, ed? Why? It was just getting interesting.
These standard issue jihadwatch insults are very stimulating too, but couldn’t we just try to behave like adults?
Giacomo Latta says
Absolutely right, Rod, we don’t need Mr. Spencer; we need a pseudo-intellectual like you who calls all of us racists but cannot describe the Islamic race. We need someone who seems to visit this website so often yet cannot find the time to investigate the threads that deal with the Great Satan and the Little Satan being threatened with non-existence at some unspecified time in the future. And no, I don’t see you comparing any muslim leader to Hitler, although it needs it.
gravenimage says
“Rod” doesn’t want us to know that A) Islam teaches the murder of “blasphemers”, and B) that Muslims regularly cut the throats of their victims. This pious Muslim was, in fact, referring to the beheading of teacher Samuel Paty, who was indeed beheaded.
Then, President Trump successfuly negotiated with North Korea. How is peacefu negotiation something Hitler was known for? Of course, it is not.
Clifford Fodor says
As Christians, we try not to offend anybody. If some Muslim came up to me and said that to my face for no reason, I would expect God to protect me and punish this man who threatened my life. Otherwise, I think I would take a knife and say to God, “It’s either him or me.”
K. Harapriya says
What kind of an upbringing allows a person to make this kind of threat? Maybe China has it right in thinking that it should be classified as mental illness. Unfortunately, so is communism.
eduardo odraude says
What kind of upbringing allows a person to make that kind of threat? An upbringing that is fully informed about the teachings of Muhammad (i.e, knows the core Islamic texts in detail) and seeks to follow those teachings and Muhammad’s example to the letter.
gravenimage says
Yep.