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Macron: We are fighting against ‘hatred shared in the name of a distorted Islam…never against Islam’

Nov 6, 2020 2:00 pm By Robert Spencer 60 Comments

“I will not allow anybody to claim that France, or its government, is fostering racism against Muslims.”

Great. But can you please enlighten us as to what race Muslims are? I had the silly idea that Muslims, and jihadis, were of all races.

Here is more about that supposedly distorted Islam, courtesy of the authoritative sources in Sunni Islam, the schools of Sunni jurisprudence (madhahib):

Shafi’i school: A Shafi’i manual of Islamic law that was certified in 1991 by the clerics at Al-Azhar University, one of the leading authorities in the Islamic world, as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy, stipulates about jihad that “the caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians…until they become Muslim or pay the non-Muslim poll tax.” It adds a comment by Sheikh Nuh Ali Salman, a Jordanian expert on Islamic jurisprudence: the caliph wages this war only “provided that he has first invited [Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians] to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya)…while remaining in their ancestral religions.” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.8).

Of course, there is no caliph today, and hence the oft-repeated claim that Osama et al are waging jihad illegitimately, as no state authority has authorized their jihad. But they explain their actions in terms of defensive jihad, which needs no state authority to call it, and becomes “obligatory for everyone” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o9.3) if a Muslim land is attacked. The end of the defensive jihad, however, is not peaceful coexistence with non-Muslims as equals: ‘Umdat al-Salik specifies that the warfare against non-Muslims must continue until “the final descent of Jesus.” After that, “nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent” (o9.8).

Hanafi school: A Hanafi manual of Islamic law repeats the same injunctions. It insists that people must be called to embrace Islam before being fought, “because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith.” It emphasizes that jihad must not be waged for economic gain, but solely for religious reasons: from the call to Islam “the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war.”

However, “if the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax [jizya], it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.” (Al-Hidayah, II.140)

Maliki school: Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), a pioneering historian and philosopher, was also a Maliki legal theorist. In his renowned Muqaddimah, the first work of historical theory, he notes that “in the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force.” In Islam, the person in charge of religious affairs is concerned with “power politics,” because Islam is “under obligation to gain power over other nations.”

Hanbali school: The great medieval theorist of what is commonly known today as radical or fundamentalist Islam, Ibn Taymiyya (Taqi al-Din Ahmad Ibn Taymiyya, 1263-1328), was a Hanbali jurist. He directed that “since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought.”

This is also taught by modern-day scholars of Islam. Majid Khadduri was an Iraqi scholar of Islamic law of international renown. In his book War and Peace in the Law of Islam, which was published in 1955 and remains one of the most lucid and illuminating works on the subject, Khadduri says this about jihad: “The state which is regarded as the instrument for universalizing a certain religion must perforce be an ever expanding state. The Islamic state, whose principal function was to put God’s law into practice, sought to establish Islam as the dominant reigning ideology over the entire world….The jihad was therefore employed as an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state.” (P. 51)

Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee, Assistant Professor on the Faculty of Shari’ah and Law of the International Islamic University in Islamabad. In his 1994 book The Methodology of Ijtihad, he quotes the twelfth century Maliki jurist Ibn Rushd: “Muslim jurists agreed that the purpose of fighting with the People of the Book…is one of two things: it is either their conversion to Islam or the payment of jizyah.” Nyazee concludes: “This leaves no doubt that the primary goal of the Muslim community, in the eyes of its jurists, is to spread the word of Allah through jihad, and the option of poll-tax [jizya] is to be exercised only after subjugation” of non-Muslims.

All these and many, many others got Islam wrong. Emmanuel Macron has it right. Trust Emmanuel Macron. He will thread the needle between the “distorted Islam” and the true, peaceful Islam, and we will all march arm-in-arm into the glorious multicultural future. Won’t we?

“Letter: France is against ‘Islamist separatism’ — never Islam,” by Emmanuel Macron, Financial Times, November 4, 2020:

For its readers, and I am one, being informed by the Financial Times means being certain of accessing robust facts, rich analysis and reliable information, without needing to verify its veracity. Therefore, who could imagine that the statements made publicly by the head of a G7 member state could be distorted by this news organisation?

And yet, that is what happened in a column published online yesterday. The piece misquoted me, substituting “Islamic separatism” — a term that I have never used — for “Islamist separatism”, which is a reality in my country. It accused me of stigmatising French Muslims for electoral purposes and of fostering a climate of fear and suspicion towards them….

For over five years now, and since the attacks on Charlie Hebdo, France has faced a wave of attacks perpetrated by terrorists in the name of an Islam that they have distorted. Some 263 people — police officers, soldiers, teachers, journalists, cartoonists, ordinary citizens — have been assassinated in our homeland. Most recently, an attack that fortunately did not result in any casualties once again targeted the premises of Charlie Hebdo; a history and geography teacher, Samuel Paty, was decapitated; in Nice, two women and a man were assassinated in a church….

France has been attacked by Islamist terrorists because it embodies freedom of expression, the right to believe or not to believe and a certain way of life. The French people have risen up to say that they will not surrender any of France’s values, its identity, or its imagination. Nor any of these human rights that it proclaimed for the world, back in 1789….

But since 2015 it has become clear, and I said this even before I became president, that there are breeding grounds for terrorists in France. In certain districts and on the internet, groups linked to radical Islam are teaching hatred of the republic to our children, calling on them to disregard its laws. That is what I called “separatism” in one of my speeches.

If you do not believe me, read the social media postings of hatred shared in the name of a distorted Islam that resulted in Paty’s death. Visit the districts where small girls aged three or four are wearing a full veil, separated from boys, and, from a very young age, separated from the rest of society, raised in hatred of France’s values.

Speak to government prefects who are confronted on the ground with hundreds of radicalised individuals, who we fear may, at any moment, take a knife and kill people. This is what France is fighting against — designs of hatred and death that threaten its children — never against Islam. We oppose deception, fanaticism, violent extremism. Not a religion….

I will not allow anybody to claim that France, or its government, is fostering racism against Muslims. France — we are attacked for this — is as secular for Muslims as for Christians, Jews, Buddhists and all believers. The neutrality of the state, which never intervenes in religious affairs, is a guarantee of freedom of worship. Our law enforcement forces protect mosques, churches and synagogues alike.

France is a country that knows what it owes to the Islamic civilisation: its mathematics, its science, its architecture all borrow from it, and I announced the creation of an institute in Paris to showcase this great wealth. France is a country where Muslim leaders speak out when the worst happens, and call on followers to fight radical Islamism and defend freedom of expression….

Editors note: the online opinion piece that this letter refers to was published briefly on November 2 and then removed for review after readers pointed out factual inaccuracies.

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  1. terry sullivan says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 2:09 pm

    KALERGI PLAN

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    • Warren Raymond says

      Nov 7, 2020 at 2:39 am

      That’s why ToyBoy Macron will never be anything but ToyBoy Macron.

      He is an airhead, installed by the French Deep State, by Soros & by the cabal that pulls the strings in Europe.

      Macron is a worthless POS.

      We all knew he was going to cave, and cave he will. Again & again. Hopeless.

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      • deepstateinvester says

        Nov 7, 2020 at 7:08 am

        wow tell us how you really feel. Can someone point to an article that explains the change in French policy that we are all seeing now. Macron is talking like Le Pen but I don’t understand why.

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      • Lavéritétriomphera says

        Nov 7, 2020 at 10:56 am

        I don’t know if Macron has read Quran, but reading between the lines, it might be understood that Islamism = radical Islam.
        As far as I know islam of Enlightenment to which Macron aspire, doesn’t exist yet. Macron was very clear, the only islam tolerated is the one that is compatible with the values of the Republic: freedom of conscience and religion as well as freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression in conjunction with freedom of press.

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  2. John says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 2:23 pm

    Mr. Macron,
    Devout Muslim killers have not distorted Islam. They’ve CLARIFIED it.

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    • SemiDave says

      Nov 6, 2020 at 2:46 pm

      Indeed that is the case!

      Reply
      • revereridesagain says

        Nov 6, 2020 at 3:42 pm

        But Macron would rather preserve his “woke” credentials than acknowledge that. Even if it kills him — or, preferably, someone else so he can continue his marathon suck-up to the whores of Allah.

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        • Sylvia Drummond says

          Nov 6, 2020 at 4:08 pm

          revereridesagain – True

    • gravenimage says

      Nov 6, 2020 at 5:07 pm

      Good post, John.

      Reply
      • John says

        Nov 7, 2020 at 1:23 pm

        Thanks

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    • Michael Copeland says

      Nov 6, 2020 at 6:07 pm

      “Kill Them: Muslims Explain”

      Print Your Own leaflet for pocket or purse.
      Give it to people.
      Send it to your representative.
      Leave it where it can be seen.

      https://gatesofvienna.net/2020/11/kill-them-muslims-explain/

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  3. tgusa says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 2:27 pm

    So Mac is Mr knowitall regarding islam and islamic doctrine.Tell em what they are doing wrong Mac! I’m sure muslims will take your opinions on islam under serious consideration.

    Meanwhile we are fighting not only against islam but also his distorted view of islam.

    I have a great white shark that I have trained to be a pet. Would you like to buy it Mac?

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    • John says

      Nov 6, 2020 at 2:34 pm

      I have a dog with rabies that never bites. He can have that for free.

      Reply
      • Eleanor says

        Nov 6, 2020 at 9:17 pm

        I have a kitchen full of cockroaches, but they are mostly peaceful, and only come out at night.

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  4. Honest Ali says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 2:54 pm

    And this moral cowardice, is why the entire world is losing to that evil religion… well, except for China… The Communist Party will be the only ones to survive Islam, and that is just sad and shameful.

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    • Kolga says

      Nov 6, 2020 at 9:44 pm

      It will be the Mohammedans and the Chinese fighting it out at the end, when all the rest of us have been totally subjugated or killed.

      Reply
      • gravenimage says

        Nov 6, 2020 at 9:55 pm

        At least Macrom is starting to stand up to Jihad, even if he doesn’t understand where it comes from. Please don’t preach surrender here.

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  5. tim gallagher says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 3:01 pm

    People like Macron need to read Robert Spencer’s books to find out that it is all of Islam, just basic Islam, that is the enemy of our civilised way of life. Until our politicians wake up to the threat that all of Islam poses, we’ll get nowhere with this struggle. I see signs of hope when I hear the views of politicians like Orban, the Le Pens, Wilders, the leaders of Poland, the Czech Republic, Trump also seemed to get it, in Australia Pauline Hanson seems to understand the truth about Islam, but most politicians, including Macron, either don’t understand Islam or are simply too gutless to tell the truth. Our countries will never win this war with islam until they wake up to the truth. I will give credit to Macron for at least getting a little bit tougher on islam (baby steps) lately, but it is nowhere near enough to deal with the menace of Islam.

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    • underbed cat says

      Nov 6, 2020 at 8:53 pm

      Macron’s France has been flooded with “muslims with a mission’, but described as refugees from war, but not too long ago an older French population fought a real war within their borders. They were rescued…now they have been decieved by omission or were they sympathetic to the fib when mass muslim movements entered their country, kind of like an invasion without weapons, which should have set off alarms had the source doctrines or the Quran or sharia law had been read. But the alarms were disconnected, deception is the key for entry, diversity was a solution, Islam is peaceful they say the imams, they teach muslims not to kill, but fighting jihad especially for the martyrs, is deadly for citizens. The Islamic settlements and training ;mosques were established so now they have millions around the country…who turn out to have a doctrine classified as religion instead of poltical movement that is a serious problem with no fix. Macron needs a French unislamic army and to prep the population. They need freedom of speech restored but will have to do so slowly to reeducate the public with the problem. This will no doubt be somewhat resisted by French citizens not familiar with the facts, and the resistant muslim will send and be sacrificed to instil fear and fight the facts. So he has a big problem. If Biden succeeds we will soon be an America as we actually already have, without leadership or one the will hug the jihadi.

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      • James Lincoln says

        Nov 7, 2020 at 7:46 am

        underbed cat,

        A frighteningly accurate post, my compliments.

        Yes, islam is “classified” as a religion – albeit a horrific one. It is, of course, a total way of life including a totalitarian political ideology with the goal being to establish sharia law throughout the world. But you knew that already.

        Yes, Macron has a very big problem – but he is not alone. All Western countries with significant muslim populations are in the same boat.

        And if Joe Biden is ultimately elected, and the Democrats take the Senate – the last backstop – the United States is in very, very serious trouble.

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        • underbed cat says

          Nov 7, 2020 at 2:29 pm

          Thanks James Lincoln, I am aware of the danger I am in, free speech and truthful examination has been suppressed by leftist lies, or when or if the FBI and Pentagon can’t address it, that we may have flipped on fighting Islamic terror, to me President Trump finally realized that was the deep state was fighting him and he was our hope to survival. After helping the auto industry return, the union paid for tons of Biden ads and the betrayal was terrible, Biden did nothing but be quiet and won an election with mail in vote and finished Obama’s fundamental change and sedition or subversive flooding of America with refugees that Saudi Arabia won’t do since the point was to destroy America with enough population to take over, that in time will take American citizens who were clueless but nice and never knew that Islam kills and radical Islam is Islam with a smiling face. Details excluded.

  6. Crusades Were Right says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 3:02 pm

    If Macron (and the rest of the sorry bunch who rule in the West) want to persist with this idea of “distorted” Islam and “Islamists” being the threat, then why can’t they DEPORT the “Islamists” BEFORE they strike?

    Is it because they secretly know that if they examine the doctrines of “Islamism” they will discover they are an EXACT MATCH of the doctrines of “Islam”?

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  7. Brando says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 3:06 pm

    I can’t believe how ILLOGICAL Macron was to say Muslims are a RACE,then what RACE are EX-MUSLIMS?

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    • gravenimage says

      Nov 6, 2020 at 5:10 pm

      Good question, Brando. Of course, Islam is not a race–but too many fools seem to think this is the case.

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      • peter says

        Nov 7, 2020 at 9:38 am

        I do not think it is ignorance .It is wilful ignorance as long as it suits their propaganda.

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  8. Crusades Were Right says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 3:06 pm

    Love that pic of Macron, btw. VERY suggestive!

    Nuff said! lol

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  9. Brando says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 4:04 pm

    POSITIVE CRITIQUE OF BOOKS BY EX-MUSLIMS IN FRANCEThe Most Famous ones are WOMEN and they have written books ANALYZING Islam.

    I have read them and NEVER ( personally I think it is they do NOT know,Lack of Knowledge) is there mention of:

    1.That CHAPTER 5:14 of the KORAN Allah CURSES CHRISTIANS “till the DAY of RESURRECTION”.

    2.That CHAPTER 5:64 of the KORAN Allah CURSES JEWS “till the DAY of RESURRECTION”.

    It is guilty of HATE SPEECH and JUDEOPHOBIA( anti-Semitism) and CHRISTIANOPHOBIA.

    3.That CHAPTER 24:33  says to free a SLAVE but Only if the MASTER thinks the slave DESERVES it.

    And to add that slavery CONTINUED to Exist After Mohammed’s death under the rule of Mohammed’s FOLLOWERS:

    a.ABU BAKR:his FATHER-IN-LAW,father of AISHA,Mohammed’s last wife,ruled 632-634.

    b.OMAR:pesonal disciple of Mohammed,ruled 632-644, ASSASINATED by an IRANIAN SLAVE.

    c.OTHMAN:another personal disciple,ruled 644-656, also ASSASINATEDd.

    d. ALI: Mohammed’s SON-IN-LAW and COUSIN of Mohammed,married to Mohammed’s daughter FATIMA, ruled 656-661. He was also ASSASINATED.

    Again, since NONE of this info appears in their books,you wonder, How Much about Islam do those Ex-Muslims Really know?  They know a lot,but INCLUDING THAT info in their books would make their attack on Islam Far More Effective.

    FATIHA AGAG-BOUDJAHLATShe  has written:

    1.  “Le grand détournement : Féminisme, tolérance, racisme, culture” (The Great Diversion )(2017)

    Here she denounces the FEMINIST leaders in the WEST, who Refuse to Denounce the Anti-Human Rights commited Against Muslim WOMEN by Muslim Men in the West and in Muslim Countries.

    2.   “Combattre le voilement : Entrisme islamiste et multiculturalisme”( Combatting the Veiling )(2019)

    ENTRYISM  is POLITICAL STRATEGY in which an Organisation or State encourages its Members or Supporters to join another, usually larger, organisation in an attempt to EXPAND INFLUENCE and expand their ideas.

    Surprisingly,the PREFACE to this book is by one of the MAJOR Feminist leaders in FRANCE:by ELISABETH BADINTER ( her father was Jewish).

    And Badinter AGREES that ISLAM is ANTI-HUMAN RIGHTS.Badinter wrote a famous book AGAINST today’s version of FEMINISM in 2003:

    “Fausse route : Réflexions sur 30 années de féminisme” ( Wrong Route,wrong road: Reflexions about 30 Years of Feminism)

    4.CHAHDORTT DJAVANN (atheist)She is IRANIAN and has written:

    1.  “Bas les voiles/  Down with the veils(hijabs)” (2003)

    That book was Very INFLUENTIAL and CONVINCED the French President to FORBID wearing the HIJAB in the Public Schools of France in 2004.

    2.”Que pense Allah de l’Europe? / What does Allah think of Europe?” (2004)

    3.”Comment lutter EFFICACEMENT contre l’ideologie islamique / How to EFFECTIVELY fight against the Islamic Ideology” (2016)

    3. JEANNETTE BOUGRAB (atheist )

    She even had to go live in FINLAND as an EXILE (several years) to live in peace because of the hounding by Muslims in France.She wrote:

    A.   “Ma République se meurt” ( My Republic is dying ) (2013)

    B.   “Lettre d’exil, La barbarie et nous” ( Letter from Exile, Barbarism and Us ) (2017)

    C.   “Lettre aux femmes voilées et à ceux qui le soutiennent” 
    ( Letter to Veiled Women and to those who Support Them )(2019)

    Her latest book is a plea to help the Muslims of YEMEN who she says are in danger of dying of hunger:

    “Un silence de mort” ( A deadly silence )(2020)

    2.ZINEB EL RHAZOUI (atheist)

    She worked in CHARLIE-HEBDO,the weekly magazine,and by LUCK( because she was on a trip abroad) was NOT killed with the 13 other employees by Muslims in 2015.She wrote:

    “Détruire le fascisme islamique”( Destroy Islamic Fascism) (2016)

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  10. Brando says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 4:11 pm

    I forgot to add that FATIHA AGAG-BOUDJAHLAT is an ATHEIST

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  11. Ade Fegan says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 4:18 pm

    Mental gymnastics par excellence

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  12. Wellington says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 4:20 pm

    Often times there is no bottom to a person in denial of some reality. Denial is frequently unfathomably deep among those who cannot, a la Jack Nicholson, handle the truth. I strongly suspect this is the case with Macron where Islam is concerned.

    Of course, it is possible, not likely but possible, that Macron actually does realize that Islam is a monumental menace and distinctions between a “distorted Islam” and “Islam” are bogus, but to admit this confronts him with an even greater problem short-term than making the faux distinction between “distorted Islam” and “Islam.”

    Politicians, after all, ordinarily tend to seek short-term tactical solutions over long-term strategic solutions, but, whichever where Macron specifically is concerned, it does no good for France, or all of the West in the final analysis, to pursue temporary tactical solutions over real long-term problem solving where the worst religion of all time is the matter at hand.

    Ultimately, the only realistic and accurate way to deal with Islam is to call it out for the mortal enemy to freedom which it surely is, i.e., as a belief system inimical to the best of the Western tradition, and which has no more place in Western societies than Nazism does. After all, Islam is as supremacist as Nazism, only better disguised and a religious totalitarian ideology rather than a secular one. Both preach a master rot—faith for Islam, race for Nazism. Wonder how much Macron “gets” this.

    Not sure, but right now I am sure he is not doing France or the West any favors. Thus, sadly, Islam is still in the “driver’s seat.” France and so many other Western nations will need far better informed and courageous leaders than the current crop like BoJo, Merkel, Macron and Trudeau. And now, that complete nothing, one Joe Biden, is poised to become the leader of the most powerful country on the planet and, per his own words, wishes “to place Muslims at every level of government.”

    Damn. I sense a new dark age on the horizon. Deeply wish I am mistaken.

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    • James Lincoln says

      Nov 6, 2020 at 5:08 pm

      Wellington,

      A frighteningly accurate post – my compliments.

      Just wondering, how would Viktor Orbán or Andrzej Duda handle the situation – if either of them were the President of France?

      And you’re certainly right about Joe Biden, but it’s *not* over yet.

      Pres. Trump may yet prevail against the Democratic Party organized crime machine – along with its enablers…

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      • Wellington says

        Nov 6, 2020 at 5:36 pm

        I welcome and admire your optimism, James.

        Well, if the Democrats were ready to pursue a bogus three-year Russian collusion hoax, actually initiated by a paid-for fake dossier by the Clinton campaign, and then impeach President Trump over a phone call, only fools or worse would or could conclude that the Democrats stealing the 2020 election is not a possibility. Oh yes it is. In fact, likely I would assert.

        And again is my distaste of cities validated. If this election has been stolen from Trump, the root of the theft can be found in cities—Philadelphia, Detroit, Atlanta, etc. Minus the five to ten largest cities in America, this democratic republic would be far better off. Yes, large cities provide some advantages but the negatives far outweigh them.

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      • underbed cat says

        Nov 7, 2020 at 2:35 pm

        God, I hope Trump prevails.

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  13. SJ says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 4:39 pm

    Muslims think globally & act locally.

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  14. Yogi says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 4:55 pm

    He just meet Jihadi Justin for “ discussion about Islam” , another idiot another global puppet, nothing will change , people will still killed by this savages, perhaps French wake up and vote for Marine La Pen ..

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  15. gravenimage says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 5:02 pm

    Macron: We are fighting against ‘hatred shared in the name of a distorted Islam…never against Islam’
    ………………

    Sadly, Macron *still* doesn’t get it.

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    • Rufolino says

      Nov 7, 2020 at 5:44 am

      All the leaders of the West are clinging to this blatant falsehood. As if clinging to a piece of debris in the middle of a shipwreck, under the illusion that it will save them from drowning.

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  16. Peter WF says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 5:31 pm

    How slowly the pollys learn.

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  17. Clarino says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 5:31 pm

    Macron is in an impossible position. On the one hand he has to condemn the islamic extremists, but on the other he has to try not to alienate the islamic ‘moderates’ or , more accurately, the indifferent muslims. What he and other westerners do is to try to create a false distiction between ‘islamic’ and ‘islamist’. It is, in the words of William James, a difference which makes no difference. Any criticism of islam offends all muslims, and they are certailnly not going to accept any comment on islam from a non-muslim.

    The only strategy with any hope of success is to make it clear that in our society there will be no pandering to muslim ‘demands’ : no face coverings; no time off for ‘prayer’ during work hours; no halal cruelty in slaughtering animals; no segregation of sexes at any public gathering (including mosques). No tolerance which is interpreted as weaknss.

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  18. James says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 5:45 pm

    it is Macron’s thinking that is distorted. It boggles the mind how blind they are.

    Let me make it simple,

    Hypothesis: “Distorted Islam” = Islam
    Proof: Koran and hadiths
    Q.E.D.
    Theorem: “Distorted Islam” = Islam

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  19. James says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 5:50 pm

    For those not mathematically inclined, a theorem is a proven truth. People should really be saying, “Well, that’s the hypothesis,” if they question the validity of a statement.

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  20. Michael Copeland says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 6:14 pm

    IT’S – ALL OF IT – JUST ISLAM

    No, no, no, Mr. Mac,
    It’s – all of it – just Islam.
    Not “warped, twisted, perverted, fanatical,
    misunderstood, extreme”,
    not “hi-jacked, Islamist, terrorist, violent” –
    Ordinary normal Islam,
    Plain, old, basic, predictable,
    True-to-Koran Islam,
    “Strike-at-their-necks” Islam,
    “Kill-them-wherever-you-find-them” Islam.
    It’s – all of it – just Islam.

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    • Carol says

      Nov 7, 2020 at 2:13 am

      I second that!

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  21. abad says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 6:22 pm

    Monsieur Macron:

    Neither Islam nor Moslems belong in France. Period.

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  22. somehistory says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    Doesn’t “islam”…the word…mean “submission”?

    If that is what he meant…which it is not…then it is true that everyone has to “submit” to something or someone.

    Even in “free” countries, such as the U.S., people “submit” to the government to some extent. We pay taxes, get driver’s licenses, buy insurance, tell the truth to the Courts, the police, etc.; we submit to searches at airports and other places of business, we have all had to begin wearing masks to work, to shop, or not be allowed inside the business.

    But, he is talking about the ‘religion’ of islam and that is a different ‘word’ and a different ball game in which those who refuse to throw fast balls, curve balls, call strikes against the ‘other side’…the moslims…and umpires freeze up rather than call the guy out…even when he murdered to get to first base or ‘home,’…

    Macron was on a course that might have led to some victory of sorts…but this is a wimpy cave-in to the enemy within his gates..

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    • James Lincoln says

      Nov 7, 2020 at 7:51 am

      somehistory says,

      “Macron was on a course that might have led to some victory of sorts…but this is a wimpy cave-in to the enemy within his gates..”

      Macron is under very intense pressure – and has been given *far* less than 100% full support from other Western countries.

      It doesn’t excuse his cave-in, but it helps to explain it…

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      • somehistory says

        Nov 7, 2020 at 11:46 am

        What you say is true, James Lincoln. But it’s sad to witness. Sand to see so many give in to the evil, the threats, the lies…when they won’t stop committing the evil, the threats or the lies…no matter what he does to appease them and try to lessen the pressure on himself.

        He might have gotten more support from Mr. Trump had the president not been fighting his own battle against evil forces.

        Reply
  23. Walter Sieruk says

    Nov 6, 2020 at 9:45 pm

    Maybe Macron said that that erroneous statement about all this Muslim terrorism is a result of “distorted ” Islam. Could it be that Macron put put the word “distorted is that the said because he doesn’t want the French to start up a “witch hunt” ‘ against all the Muslims ? That would make some kind of sense.

    For if the French people started to treat non- terrorist Muslims with harassment that would do no good but only harm , For if the French behaved rude and disrespectful to peaceful Muslims ,those same non -violent Muslims might become so terribly provoked that harassment that they might be encouraged, ,go join the jihadist camp.

    The other reason that Macron might have inserted the word “distorted” in referring to Islam could possibly that he has blindly accepted the false information provided to him by the Muslim propagandists the false claim that “All those Muslim taking in violence are going because of a warped type of Islam.”

    In either case the sad and terrible reality is all this Islamic violence is not a result of “warped” or “distorted” Islam but hard core non-watered down Qu ‘ran based Islam, as found in Sura 2:191. 4:89. 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4.

    The harsh truth should be made known.

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    • gravenimage says

      Nov 6, 2020 at 10:02 pm

      Walter, the idea that the ‘filthy Infidels’ are poised to wreck wholesale violence against Muslims unless people whitewash Islam is really nothing but calumny.

      Reply
  24. Fred van de Bunt says

    Nov 7, 2020 at 2:14 am

    In the living rooms of French Muslims they are watching the speech from Macron carefully.
    “So he does not want a distorted Islam”, Tarek?”
    “Me neither Fatima. There is only one Islam.”
    “Your right, Tarek, Macron says he is for Islam.”
    “Okay Fatima, like I said already, and change the channel to Taliban TV then, or wait, better Al Qaeda news.”

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  25. Ron says

    Nov 7, 2020 at 5:09 am

    Islam is a totally distorted, bestial pseudo religion from neginning to end.

    Reply
    • Michael Copeland says

      Nov 7, 2020 at 8:30 am

      “which that false prophet very grossly invented…”
      From the Introduction by George Sale, 1784, to the Koran belonging to Thomas Jefferson.

      https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?cc=eebo;c=eebo;idno=a47589.0001.001;node=A47589.0001.001:3;seq=8;vid=36900;page=root;view=text

      Reply
  26. Mach1Duck says

    Nov 7, 2020 at 8:30 am

    Hey Macron, Islam is as Islam does.

    Reply
  27. Rasmussen says

    Nov 7, 2020 at 9:27 am

    Perhaps Macron should try to disscotiate alcoholism from alcohol in order to comprehend the futility of his disscociating islamism from islam. Or would that be asking too much…

    Reply
  28. Horseman says

    Nov 7, 2020 at 12:35 pm

    Radical Islam IS ISLAM. Just read the Koran and associated texts.

    Reply
  29. jca reid says

    Nov 7, 2020 at 1:20 pm

    Macron is a naive, little boy. He doesn’t know what he’s dealing with. Islam IS distorted. The pages of the Quran & hadiths are dripping with hate & detestation of ALL things non-Muslim. It openly causes for the murder, rape, enslavement & subjugation of ALL of Humanity.
    It has the brass neck to call itself, a “Religion”.

    Reply
  30. Artful Dodger says

    Nov 7, 2020 at 2:16 pm

    Macron is a dolt!
    ISLAM ≠ RACE
    Islam is a CULT with the sole design to rule the world using the same tactics that Hitler’s Nazis used.

    Reply
  31. Giacomo Latta says

    Nov 7, 2020 at 4:48 pm

    ”’substituting “Islamic separatism” — a term that I have never used — for “Islamist separatism”’
    So ‘Islamist’ only means ‘like Islam.’ Well, there’s nothing more like Islam than Islam itself.
    ”France is a country where Muslim leaders speak out when the worst happens, and call on followers to fight radical Islamism and defend freedom of expression.” – the late mind of Emmanuel Macron.
    Name one.
    Macron, next time you call for a conference with muslims make sure you prove your point by turning around on stage then do a faith jump back into the crowd. Something has to work on you.

    Reply
  32. OLD GUY says

    Nov 8, 2020 at 12:12 am

    Your wrong it is against the Islamic religious dictatorship for the world.

    Reply
  33. Rob Roy says

    Nov 27, 2020 at 11:54 am

    if all this bad things by muslims would be done just by group that has nothing to do with the ‘real islam’, why do muslims never condemn those acts? they say they are victims but glorify the acts of terror.
    Peaceful islam is a lie!

    Reply

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