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The Disputed Election of 2020 Could Make America Into Venezuela

Nov 19, 2020 7:00 pm By Robert Spencer 158 Comments

My latest in PJ Media:

President Trump promised to make America great again, but as the 2020 election disputes continue, America could go in two sharply divergent directions: it could indeed become great again, or it could become Venezuela.

Sidney Powell explained one of the many alleged anomalies of the 2020 presidential election on the Rush Limbaugh show: “Trump votes were programmed to switch to Biden ahead of time, but Trump’s votes were so high, it didn’t work right because they didn’t set their algorithms high enough.” Could that explain the sudden pauses in the counting of votes in crucial swing states on election night? Trump was too far ahead, and adjustments had to be made to ensure a Biden victory? Powell has also released information claiming that Smartmatic voting software, which was used extensively in the United States in the 2020 election, was manipulated in Venezuela to ensure the victories of socialists Hugo Chavez and Nicholas Maduro.

That isn’t evidence that this software was used in a fraudulent manner in the United States, but it raises the question, and we will likely not get definitive answers until the disputed election reaches the Supreme Court, and even then the arguments will go on. Nevertheless, the ongoing revelations about the 2020 election are more than enough, if not to overturn the result, then at very least to underscore the fact that whether or not President Trump’s efforts to throw out illegal votes and stop voter fraud this year succeed, America will have no more free elections if this problem is not thoroughly addressed, and concrete actions taken to ensure that future elections are tamper-proof.

Thoroughgoing electoral reform, however, depends upon all concerned parties actually wanting fair elections. Therefore, if the Democrats control the presidency, and even worse, the presidency and both houses of Congress, any effective action to ensure an honest electoral process is extraordinarily unlikely. If the Leftist establishment returns to total hegemony by means of electoral fraud, it is not likely to give up its most effective weapon in its now five-year struggle against the evil Orange Man who (almost?) ruined all of their arrangements.

And so it’s all on the line now with Sidney Powell, Rudolph Giuliani, and the rest of Trump’s legal team. Those who are dismissing even the possibility that the presidential election could have been rigged lack a historical sense. America has had fraudulent elections before, even at the presidential level: as Rating America’s Presidents details, Andrew Jackson raged (although he almost certainly wasn’t as unhinged as Hillary) for four years against what he called the “corrupt bargain” that he charged John Quincy Adams had made with Henry Clay to secure victory in the 1824 election, which went to the House of Representatives; he then rode that rage to a landslide victory over Adams in 1828.

There is much more. Read the rest here.

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  1. gravenimage says

    Nov 19, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    The Disputed Election of 2020 Could Make America Into Venezuela
    ………….

    Oh, boy…just what we were hoping for. sarc/off

    Reply
    • Reziac says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 2:13 am

      More literally than we knew…

      Reply
      • mortimer says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 8:54 am

        To err is human, but to really screw things up, you need a computer.

        The American socialists want the US to become a copy of Venezuela.

        The election machines have to be discontinued and hand-counting of paper ballots resumed.

        Reply
    • curious george says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 3:46 pm

      Democrats have demonized every Trump voter as a ‘deplorable’

      https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/democrats-have-demonized-every-trump-voter-as-a-deplorable/

      “Daniel answered and said: “Blessed be the name of God forever and ever, to whom belong wisdom and might.
      He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding;
      he reveals deep and hidden things; he knows what is in the darkness, and the light dwells with him.”
      – Daniel 2:20-22 (ESV)

      Reply
  2. nicholas tesdorf says

    Nov 19, 2020 at 7:26 pm

    Like Venezuela, America is on the track from Democracy to Kleptocracy under Biden and Harris.

    Reply
    • mortimer says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 8:56 am

      Biden is the payola king.

      Reply
  3. Infidel says

    Nov 19, 2020 at 7:28 pm

    Watched the press conference by Rudy, Jenna Ellis, Sid Powell today. It was reassuring, and there is enough reason to prevent the certification of the electoral votes in all the states mentioned. Ultimately, I think this is only gonna be resolved by a Congressional vote for both president and VP. Not ideal, but sure beats an election where votes were flipped, invalid votes were cast, valid votes were dumped and so on

    After Jan 20th, the US government needs to announce a ban on the use of Dominion voting systems, and have a return to paper ballots that needs to be used until a future, simple digital voting machine (translation: not a computer IT system) can be designed that does only 2 things: accepts and accumulates the votes. Other things, like identity verification and so on need to be done separately, so that there’s no way of getting in fake ballots into the system. Oh, and future elections need to be federalized, so that rogue secretaries of state don’t get to rig the election mechanisms in their states

    Reply
    • Rod says

      Nov 19, 2020 at 11:53 pm

      Infidel, I’m puzzled that reports of voting irregularities always, without fail, use the words “baseless claims”.

      And that courts at all levels of the justice system seem to uphold those opinions.

      How can so many supposedly well-informed responsible people be so unanimously mistaken? A massive conspiracy? Mass insanity in high places? A brilliantly clever foreign program of subversion?

      There must be an explanation. Can you assist?

      Reply
      • Don Ameche says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 2:46 am

        I can assist you…. Rod.

        Courts at all levels of the “justice system” are inhabited by leftists. These ” courts” are using the term the press is broadcasting to them….. ” Baseless claims”. From CNN/FOX News mouth tot the ” Judges” mouth.

        See how that works…. Rod?

        Reply
      • mortimer says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 9:18 am

        Yes, Rod, Do you think that Silicon Valley couldn’t hack the election? (Are you naive?)

        Do you think that if the Dems had the ability to CYBER-HACK the election, that they are too moral to do it? Far from it.

        Here is the explanation to your query: Are they all lying?

        Yes, the Dems who know about it are certainly lying about hacking the election. Why would they admit this crime?

        The Dems feel entitled to be in charge. The Dems are caught up in a mass hysteria of seeing Trump as an embodiment of evil, a Hitler who must be destroyed by whatever means. I listen to the conversations of my Leftist relatives and acquaintances and hear their unfettered rage and fury and see it daily on CNN. It is 24-hour self-hypnosis.

        They are stuck in the ‘Orange-Man-Bad’ fantasy. They believe that any means used to defeat the evil Trump is acceptable.

        Rod, if you do not search for a cyber-crime, you will certainly not uncover a well-planned computer crime like this perpetrated by some of the top hackers in the world.

        CYBER-CRIME IS VERY HARD TO DETECT BECAUSE HACKER ENCRYPT

        – Most companies take over 6 months to notice a data breach !!!
        – 780,000 records ‘disappeard’ per day in 2017
        – Over 24,000 malicious mobile apps are blocked daily
        – Cyber Crime will cost $6 trillion by 2021
        – French president Emmanuel Macron emails hacked
        – More than 60% of fraud originates from mobile devices
        – Japanese exchange lost $530 million due to hacking
        – 90% of hackers use encryption

        Do you think that Silicon Valley couldn’t hack the election? (Are you naive?)

        Reply
        • mortimer says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 10:43 am

          “I bought a voting machine, then hacked it ” … (video)

        • curious george says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 2:11 pm

          Mortimer,

          👍

          To add to your excellent points. IF the demoncrats have NOTHING to hide, WHY are they so adamant about NOT allowing a full investigation into the election results in the states that are most questionable?

          One would think that they would want to assure the American people that there is nothing to be concerned about and that it’s the Republican Party that can’t be trusted.

      • Infidel says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 9:58 am

        Rod, a few quick points, in addition to what mortimer described:

        – Any affidavit submitted under oath and subject to perjury is evidence, regardless of what the media might think. There have been hundreds of them submitted at various states, both by the GOP and by individuals

        – The entire mainstream media – including Fox – is in the tank for Biden. Which is why on election night, they were deliberately premature in calling states (like Virginia) for Biden, while delaying every bit they could states (like Florida) for Trump. It’s why they’re unwilling to analyze the arguments or data of people who have sworn under affidavits that they’ve been witness to fraud

        – There are rules about voting. Dead people are not supposed to vote. People are not supposed to vote in more than one place. There are supposed to be voting deadlines: one doesn’t get to keep voting for days after an election. Non citizens don’t get to vote. And so on

        – In Washington DC, which is a totally Democrat city, the GOP gets 7% of the vote. It’s inconceivable that there would be precincts in remote parts of battleground states where 100% of the votes that are turned in happen to be for Joe Biden, no matter how popular he might be in such places

        – With the mail-in ballots (note: not absentee ballots), a lot of fraud can and does happen. There were a lot of ballots w/ only Biden/Harris’ names on it, but no down-ballots, and no opposition listed. There were cases of ballot sheets being run through machines 4-5 times, so that 5,000 votes would become 25,000 votes. There were cases of GOP poll watchers not allowed anywhere near the counting, and being forced to observe w/ binoculars. With mail-in voting, once the envelopes were separated from the actual ballot, there was no way to later verify whether a ballot was a valid one or not. These examples were all in individually submitted affidavits across states

        And then, there’s all the stuff about Dominion Software, which is a whole new scam of historic proportions, which has been used in other countries as well to flip votes to the Left, something alluded to by Mortimer above

        People on the right are willing to lose elections fair & square. In not one GOP run state was counting halted b’cos Dems were ahead. But that doesn’t mean that we can take a rigged election lying down, b’cos that may well be the last free and fair election before every subsequent election is engineered to put Dems on top

        Reply
        • mortimer says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 10:14 am

          ADMINISTRATIVE ACCESS TO DOMINION VOTING SOFTWARE IS EASILY OBTAINED …

        • mortimer says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 10:36 am

          VOTING MACHINES MAY BE EASILY HACKED BY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW

        • curious george says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 8:27 pm

          The Great Election Fraud of 2020

          https://www.wnd.com/2020/11/great-election-fraud-2020/

      • mortimer says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 11:29 am

        Rod said, “There must be an explanation. Can you assist?”

        Just yesterday, Ted Cruz grilled Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg. Both men admitted under oath that Facebook and Twitter are colluding to censor targeted people.

        The election and the news about the election are being rigged from different directions.

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        • Rod says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 12:16 am

          It seems the whole system has been crooked and corrupt for ages – Silicon Valley, the Dems, the courts, judges, the electoral system, voting machines, the media, Cuba, Venezuela, (even Chavez according to Rudy, though he’s been dead for seven years), China, Socialists, Communists, Facebook, Twitter. How could they have burrowed so deep and poisoned the very heart of US existence?

          (None of this happens in my part of the world, but Americans tell us that they’re the best).

          Yet Trump, and the Republicans, in office for four years, invested with enormous power, haven’t even begun to sort this mess out. What good is building walls, banning Muslims, cutting taxes, starting trade wars?

          I’m beginning to wonder whether Donald is not utterly incompetent, or just stupid, and should be voted out. Perhaps 80 million Americans were right.

        • Demsci says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 1:12 am

          I for one am actually glad that a proven critic (of Trump) like you Rod asks good questions. In short how could all.this have happened? Is it believable and not a conspiracy theory when so many bad actors are involved? And still none of them has broken ranks? Can it be that CIA + FBI were either involved or taken by surprise?

          And, on the other hand; why weren’t the Republicans better prepared? When they were in power?

          I am very grateful for Mortimer, Infidel here and those media who so well outlined (part of) the problems with this whole election-situation.

          And I think that fear for COVID-19 and thus mail-in-voting on a massive scale was an unexpected occurrence and that gave key voter-fraudeurs a big chance.

          And for what it’s worth I and many like me were yet surprised about the staggering apparent dangers of “vote counting machines and their software
          ‘ as well as the depravity of people to want to DILUTE honest voters votes. I guess Millions of voters and onlookers were childish NAIVE.

        • Rod says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 6:43 am

          Now the CIA and the FBI might be involved too! As well as almost everybody else. Is there anybody above suspicion, Demsci? The Pope, perhaps, or is he in it too?

          My god, it’s beyond belief! If you wrote it in a book, nobody would believe a word.

      • E T says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 1:08 pm

        YES, it is called the Great Reset.

        Reply
        • curious george says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 8:18 pm

          John Kerry: Biden presidency opens door to globalist ‘Great Reset’

          https://www.wnd.com/2020/11/4871642/

      • mortimer says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 3:45 pm

        What ‘Rod’ is doing is called ‘gaslighting’. He doesn’t know what that is nor would he recognize that he is the first victim of media Gaslighting.

        “Gaslighting” Definition: Gaslighting is a malevolent form of psychological manipulation in which intentionally false information is given to the victims in order to make them doubt their own observations, memories, thoughts and perceptions.

        Gaslighting is a premeditated, malevolent manipulation, a calculated fallacy and a systematic, purposeful, methodical deception which deliberately changes or distorts facts, memories, scenes, events and evidence in order to disorient and to cause a vulnerable victim to doubt his/her sanity or perceptions of reality. This malicious manipulation of others is named after British playwright Patrick Hamilton’s 1938 stage play “Gas Light,” also known as “Angel Street.”

        ‘Rod’ is like the crowd in Hans Christian Andersen’s ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’.

        ‘Rod’ thinks those who disagree with CNN are insane.

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        • Wellington says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 4:03 pm

          Concise and damning. Thank you, moritmer.

          Whenever I see the term “Gaslighting” I think of the 1944 film, Gaslight, which is all about what you described. Ingrid Bergman won the Oscar for Best Actress in that film. She deserved it.

        • Demsci says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 1:23 am

          Oh, Aha, for quite a while now I came across this term “gaslighting’ and in the back of my mind tried to figure out what it meant. I thought it was “lighting a gas leak”, giving incitement to an already volatile situation, but that isn’t it I now know. Thanks Mortimer.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 6:02 pm

          Spot on, Mortimer.

    • Reziac says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 2:18 am

      Even back in the days of 100% mechanical voting machines, there were reported irregularities (ie. the machines cheated). Anything that’s a black box can conceal malfeasance. Nope, paper ballots and hand-count right out in the open is the only way that’s secure, and then only if tightly supervised by a crowd of suspicious citizens.

      Reply
      • mortimer says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 9:21 am

        Yep, a black box.

        But the Leftist Dems also have the all the geniuses of Silicon Valley to do their malfeasance.

        Reply
        • curious george says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 2:41 pm

          mortimer says

          But the Leftist Dems also have the all the geniuses of Silicon Valley to do their malfeasance.
          ………………………………..
          Absolutely! To think otherwise is foolish.

      • LB says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 10:07 am

        I was about to say that. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING that’s digital or automated (like those money-counting machines) IS SUSCEPTIBLE TO FRAUD!! No, the only way to go is pure old-school analog (pen and paper) with tallying and counting IN THE OPEN and with LIVE VIDEO FEED OF THE PROCESS.

        Needless to say, the Dems aren’t about that honest life. I’ve seen multiple reports from Project Vertias and others where Trump representative watchers were BARRED from watching the counting process. There are also clips of vote-counters BOARDING UP WINDOWS and preventing onlookers from watching them from outside. If they were truly innocent, they’d have nothing to hide. Stalin was right: “It’s not about who votes, it’s about who’s counting them”.

        Reply
        • mortimer says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 3:06 pm

          Canvasser from Detroit exposes the fraud and THREATS TO HER FAMILY:

    • Don Ameche says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 2:54 am

      After Jan 20th we do indeed need to address this voting scam fiasco. By banning the use of Dominion and by (2) banning mail-in ballots. And using absentee ballots minimally. (3) we need to address the early voting schemes and shorten early voting to maybe 4 days before the election….. and completely stop the counting of votes after 8pm on Election day.

      Sydney Powell said the flipping and other software defect in Dominion lives in virtually all other “voting” software. We need to go back to paper ballots period ! And enforced law that equal numbers of each party are present during ALL counting and tabulating and receiving.

      Absolutely NO !! to federalizing the vote…. THAT would be the beginning of the end. It would hasten the Venezuelanization of America. As uncomfortable as it is….. we have some breathing room because of the way we are established now.

      VOTER ID yes !!!!!

      Reply
    • James Lincoln says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 7:35 am

      Infidel,

      You are correct regarding voting machines, etc.

      Also, other *absolutely ironclad* safeguards could be put in place.

      The problem is, the Democrats do *not* want to fix the *fixable* problems…

      Reply
      • mortimer says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 9:27 am

        As you realize, Mr. L., each state sets its own standards. That is a big part of the problem.

        George Soros has his hand in the election machines and software. Big bribes are being paid to people.

        Biden is the unindicted king of bribes.

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        • Infidel says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 10:02 am

          I get the Tenth Amendment and all that, but federal elections need to be nationalized. They can’t be left at the mercies of crooked secretaries of state to rig whichever way they want. Maybe have a chain of reporting that goes up to the judiciary, as opposed to the executive or the legislature, but have that as the structure on which it’s based

        • E T says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 1:12 pm

          George Soros vowed after the 2016 election that Donald Trump would NOT be re-elected in 2020. Rod should check out who the collaborators were who attended Soros’s meeting in Davos, Switzerland in 2016.

      • E T says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 5:24 pm

        Here in Canada when the government decided to align the federal and provincial boundary lines, the Liberals sent out the “new lists” and in Windsor West the Liberal list left 40,000 eligible voters off the list and then had the audacity to blame the Conservatives.

        There is a lot of rot in politics and oh so many ways to cheat. That is how you end up with 11 Muslim members of parliament in Canada and in the US, you have more additions to the squad. Many, many people are willing to sell their soul.

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      • Demsci says

        Nov 21, 2020 at 1:41 am

        Indeed a huge problem, James. But it seems these “In-the-know” election fraudeurs worked stealthily. But now tens of millions of voters are aware of the dangers of stolen elections. These can somehow, together with the right leaders and news outlets can be mobilized to pressure for secure transparent elections.

        Victors in elections do need “loser’s consent”.

        And even Dem party voters should not want to win in dishonest murky ways. And I like to remind them that what election fraudeurs did to Republicans, they can do to you too in future.

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  4. Rod says

    Nov 19, 2020 at 7:36 pm

    The pandemic raging out of control, after eight months during which proper measures should have been taken, as they have been in many other countries. Your health system in crisis, hospitals under-equipped, understaffed. Co-ordination ineffective or absent. Thousands dead and dying. Death rates rising.

    Your electoral system seems not to function. You don’t trust the courts or the justice system. You don’t trust most of your media.

    The nation divided as never before in living memory. The gap between rich and poor ever widening (as it did in Venezuela). Constant fear of widespread violence. A murder rate which is horrifying. Your country viewed with contempt and pity around the world. International relations at an all time low. Your leader a sexual predator, an incorrigible liar, and a laughing stock.

    All this after four years of Trump.

    So what’s the remedy? Four more years of Trump. Of course!

    Reply
    • gravenimage says

      Nov 19, 2020 at 7:45 pm

      Actually, the economy was excellent under Trump until the Coronavirus hit–the same is true of the murder rate, and we were much safer with Muslim immigration down. “Rod” hopes no one knows this, though.

      Reply
    • J. Morgan says

      Nov 19, 2020 at 7:59 pm

      Trump sexual predator? Joe Biden actually – Fingered – a woman. He actually violated Tara Reade. Biden is as corrupt as the summer day is long – a summer day in Alaska. Biden is also a mentally diminished lying fool who would make America unsafe and at risk in regards to immigration and our relationship with China and with every nation in the world.
      Trump loves this nation, unlike the traitorous Joe Biden and has done more for this country in his 47 months of office than all of Joe’s 47 years. The Democrats are trying to turn this place into Venezuela – including using the same voting machines that assured Hugo Chavez of his wins. Yes, four more years of Trump.

      Reply
      • revereridesagain says

        Nov 19, 2020 at 9:56 pm

        Biden’s pervert son Hunter might as well march down the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue with his fly open because by now everyone without blinders on has seen what he’s got all over the internet. Biden is head of a degenerate corrupt crime family enabling the pushers of the “WuFluManchu” hysteria in manipulating Americans into accepting a socialist state out of fear and intimidation. Harris is ready to assume authority and enforce her “reparations” dreams.

        I’m 76 and have never seen anything remotely like this, not even in the 60s. And that’s not even factoring in the enabling of Islamic infiltration into our legal system. If this election is finally stolen and these people installed to rule us, there had better be some serious “resistance” or we will find ourselves stripped of most of our rights in very short order.

        Usually I would look at a lot of what is coming out as “conspiracy theory”, but it is impossible to do that when heretofore unimaginable restrictions are becoming enforced policy all around us, on a daily basis.

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      • Rod says

        Nov 19, 2020 at 10:20 pm

        Thousands dying daily, hospitals overloaded, health workers exhausted, chaos worsening daily. But everybody anxious to divert attention away from the disaster of Donald.

        Incidentally, what is the stable genius doing in the face of a national emergency? Co-ordinating the efforts of state governors, reallocating resources and staff to meet demand, inspiring his people, planning a speedy and efficient distribution of vaccines, determining vaccination priorities and preparing everybody for this to happen smoothly when the time comes?

        Last I heard he was playing golf and whining pathetically about his election loss. And firing people who contradict him – isn’t that infantile, or do Americans do it always?

        In my country, the sore loser is a figure of fun. Isn’t that the case everywhere?

        Reply
        • gravenimage says

          Nov 19, 2020 at 10:43 pm

          “Rod” is certainly a loser, trying desperately to distract from the threat of Jihad here. I wouldn’t call him a figure of fun, though–he’s much sadder than that.

        • don vito says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 9:12 am

          Congrats, you are publicizing the agenda and goals of the dhimmicrats, marxist, and moslems have for our Republic. If I, or any other person were to publish such as you have, the agenda would have been slandered, mislabeled, or smeared as conspiracy by you and others with the said agenda and goals.

        • Giacomo Latta says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 9:44 am

          Rod, the concerned world citizen who wishes to slam everything American, forgot to inform us all about the latest COVID-19 statistics:
          Case Fatality Rate: USA, 2.3 % ; Rod’s beloved haven of non-existent cases of COVID-19, 4.0 %
          Deaths per 100,000 Population: USA, 73.91; Rod’s beloved haven of non-existent deaths from COVID-19, 75.89
          Better move to Vietnam if you want to cling to your self-righteousness, o king of all ignorance.

        • mortimer says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 11:38 am

          Anyone who blames Donald Trump for the pandemic raging around the world is not only a total fool, but an amoral one.

          The worst states for the pandemic are Democrat. Why is that?

        • Giacomo Latta says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 4:15 pm

          I neglected to add: Rod’s beloved haven = UK.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 4:27 pm

          Giacomo, I don’t believe that “Rod” is using the UK as a base–he has said he is not from there. By a process of elimination from other things he has said, he is probably operating out of Australia.

    • Wellington says

      Nov 19, 2020 at 8:19 pm

      The nation is divided, Rod, precisely to the extent that the Left did not accept the 2016 election results. For four years the Left pursued phony accusations, the first being the Russian collusion hoax, based on a fake dossier paid for by the Clinton campaign, and the second being due to a phone call to the Ukrainian President.

      Meanwhile, Trump, through various executive actions, many of them getting rid of the moronic burdens placed upon businesses, insured the lowest unemployment rate in American history for black Americans.

      Obama put millions of blacks on food stamps and Trump put millions of blacks back to work and yet you think Trump is the nemesis. This is how stupid you are—and yes, you are stupid.

      Trump also never uttered a racist sentiment, though the MSM, which you foolishly believe, asserted otherwise. But Obama would not only not condemn Black Lives Matter, which by its own admittance is a Marxist organization per Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza and Opal Tometti, its three founders, he invited representatives of BLM to the White House. Obama even refused to condemn the New Black Panther Party which has called for the eradication of the white race, and yet Trump who, by name, condemned the KKK and the Neo-Nazis, is the racist. You are ignorant enough to not be aware of any of this.

      As for the nation being divided, thanks here goes to the Hillary Clintons and the Barack Obamas, accompanied by metaphorical fecal matter like Comey, Brennan, Clapper and McCabe.

      The attempt to undermine President Trump even before he took the oath of office (e.g., the January 5th, 2017 meeting in the last days of the Obama Administration which, if you took the time to look into {you won’t}, serves as prima facie evidence of the greatest attempted coup in all of American history.

      You, Rod, are, at best, a complete fool. At worst, someone extending knowing approbation to the derailing of an incoming President. You don’t even grasp that the modern Democratic Party, which is a betrayal of the old Democratic Party, made a tacit alliance with Antifa and BLM to create havoc through most of 2020. And did you even bother to grasp that when Trump didn’t win outright two weeks ago, no violence by his followers occurred? All the boarding up of businesses aplenty occurred because of the possibility that Trump might win. And you’re effing clueless of this—or even worse, quite knowledgeable of this.

      You make me sick. You suck.

      Reply
      • gravenimage says

        Nov 19, 2020 at 8:36 pm

        Excellent post, Wellington.

        Reply
        • revereridesagain says

          Nov 19, 2020 at 9:58 pm

          +1

        • Don Ameche says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 2:57 am

          +1

      • Huh!?! says

        Nov 19, 2020 at 9:36 pm

        +1

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      • Rod says

        Nov 19, 2020 at 11:02 pm

        Wellington, today, chaos reigns after four years of Trump. Obviously it’s the fault of the Democrats – Clinton, Obama, Comey, etc., people all long gone and powerless.

        But wasn’t Trump the President? For the whole four years? Weren’t the Republicans in control of the Senate? Didn’t Fox, Breitbart, etc, give them endless support? Isn’t the man a very stable genius? Weren’t his edicts guaranteed to make America great? Wasn’t he just the man to use his charisma and authority to unite his people behind him? Didn’t he fire everybody who wasn’t performing, and replace them with somebody competent? Weren’t his actions in response to the pandemic entirely appropriate? How could it all have gone wrong?

        There’s something fishy about your argument, Wellington. Can’t quite put my finger on it. Best to reelect him and make America even greater, again.
        (You probably know what Einstein allegedly said about doing the same thing and expecting a different result).

        I’m wondering whether, before Doomsday in January, he can remember all the things he needs to pardon himself for.

        PS the obligatory insults reassure me that your faculties are functioning at their usual level. So I needn’t wait for anything more rational.

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        • gravenimage says

          Nov 19, 2020 at 11:09 pm

          Note that “Rod” considers a great economy to be “chaos”. Only a supporter of Islam would think this way.

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 2:03 am

          Speaking of trying the same thing over and expecting different results, let’s try Socialism in America. It didn’t work out so well in the Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela, China, Vietnam and North Korea but maybe this time it will be different. Maybe the seventh time will be the charm … or is it more than that? Probably is. I’ve lost count.

        • Rod says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 5:31 am

          Seems we’re keen to discuss anything except Trump’s role in the current catastrophe. He’s been president for four years but he ain’t responsible for a goddam thing that’s happened since 2016.
          Let’s talk instead about Cuba, Venezuela, Obama, Biden, Islam – anything will do.

          I suspect Trump does not care if you people live or die. The pandemic can run its course, he cares for nothing except getting back into the White House.

          What is he doing to deal with this horrible crisis? Anything? Anything at all? What is he doing for you, your grandparents, your children? Whinging about illegal votes, that’s all.

          Playing golf while Rome burns.

        • Bada Bhai says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 7:42 am

          Salaam Rodders ….

          May I extend congrats to you on a well thought out and reasoned argument to Wellington and the viper GravenImage both understating and whitewashing the current madness in America today.

          They think that $270T of debt makes for a good economy (and the debt is getting bigger every day). If the petrodollar was not in place America would already have fallen over a cliff edge.

          There is the constant printing of dollars (they use the fancy word Quantative easing) so that people like Wellington and GI can afford to live and fake celebrate their 32nd wedding anniversary. Her hubby will think about all the additional expenses he will have to fork out to massage her massive ego ( like so many kuffar dames have these days) , bite his lip to the point of bleeding and wish that Allah SWT could step in to help keep her under control. .

          Anyway …why do they need so much money anyway? Countries like Pakistan Malaysia get by with far less and America needs to do the same.

          Cut out the never ending wars , space weapons and feed your starving people…even the farmers cannot get the seed to grow their wheat any longer.

          The leftist attacks has meant that the country is completely divided and there are far fewer GravenImages and Wellingtons left … they are aging and dying out (note 32nd anniversary means …OOOLLLLDDD).

          The young whites think and wish they were black and the blacks want power … to do what blacks do best the world over…

          Have fun for 6 months, take the land , farms shops etc and then bankrupt the country.

          Great examples of black power are Uganda, Zimbabwe where note printing has led to a 10million% inflation rate ( last time I checked anyway) … and South Africa is well on its way to bankruptcy.

          In America there is no difference now between the younger blacks and whites… together the younger generation will take it and make it the Zimbabwe of the West… and there is zilch that GravenImage and Wellington can do about it

          The solution… Islam and its discipline, food for the brain, young budding enterprises for completely remodelling clothes, new buildings for madrassas for the youngsters and closing of the drug, drink and cigarette Friday night culture …as this Juma (prayer day).

          NO bloody lefties, no far right, no blacks, no whites …only Islam … what a beautiful world that would be .

          TOP TIP : America needs Islam urgently ….

        • Giacomo Latta says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 9:49 am

          Once again, Antifaman litters the website with a litany of questions that he has no answer for. I appreciate he is looking for answers but I fail to see why he can find the answers absolutely nowhere else on the internet unless there is no website for 6-year-olds who choose to be ignorant.

        • Wellington says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 12:39 pm

          Rod: To the extent that chaos reigns after four years of Trump, it is in spite of Trump, not because of him. Look to Antifa, BLM and the Democratic Party for the chief culprits.

          Man, you keep getting most everything ass-backwards. And some people deserve to be insulted. Like you.

        • mortimer says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 3:09 pm

          Reply to Rod: the ‘chaos’ of American elections is the different rules of different states.

          Rod is obviously uninformed about US presidential voting.

          Keep talking, Rod. We are figuring out who you are.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 4:00 pm

          Bada Bhai wrote:

          Salaam Rodders ….

          May I extend congrats to you on a well thought out and reasoned argument to Wellington and the viper GravenImage both understating and whitewashing the current madness in America today.
          ………………………………

          “Rod” must be *so* proud that he has earned the respect of Bada Bhai–a vicious Muslim supremacist who wants to see the oppression and rape of women and the persecution and murder of Infidels.

          More:

          They think that $270T of debt makes for a good economy (and the debt is getting bigger every day). If the petrodollar was not in place America would already have fallen over a cliff edge.
          ………………………………

          I have actually criticized the debt here many times–but the United States is still an awesomely productive econonomy The idea that oil is all that fuels the US economy is just ludicrous–Bada Bhai must be confusing America with some Islamic crap hole. In reality, oil and gas make up just 8% of the US economy–not because we don’t produce a great deal–we are in fact the greatest oil and gas producing nation in the world–but because we are innovative and productive on so many fronts.

          More:

          There is the constant printing of dollars (they use the fancy word Quantative easing) so that people like Wellington and GI can afford to live and fake celebrate their 32nd wedding anniversary. Her hubby will think about all the additional expenses he will have to fork out to massage her massive ego ( like so many kuffar dames have these days) , bite his lip to the point of bleeding and wish that Allah SWT could step in to help keep her under control. .
          ………………………………

          Where to start? Firstly, Bada Bhai appears to be ignorant of the link between production and money in a healthy economy–money represents the production of the nation’s citizens. Money can more easily be traded than can labor and goods as in a barter system, but it is the same concept. We do not just print money–nations that have tried this wind up with immediate spiraling inflation, whereas the rate of inflation in the US is actually very low.

          Then, his comments about my anniversary are just ludicrous. My husband and I didn’t even go out–I just fixed him one of his favorite meals. Besides, Bada Bhai’s idea that it is only men who contribute to household finances in civilized nations is absurd. Then, most of my tastes are actually quite modest–it seems that his views of Infidel women has been formed by watching tabloid TV. Just laughable.

          More:

          Anyway …why do they need so much money anyway? Countries like Pakistan Malaysia get by with far less and America needs to do the same.
          ………………………………

          America has no interest in becoming Pakistan or even Malaysia. Pakistan has literacy rates of little over half the population, and below half for its oppressed women. Why would the US aspire to become such a backward craphole? And this is *with* aid from Western nations. And in cases of natural disaster, places like Pakistan rely on the West for rescue and charity. Where would they be if the US became another hellhole similar to them?

          And Malaysia relys on the productiveness of its oppressed Infidel popuation, or else it would be as bad as Pakistan. As it is, its per capita income is less than half of that of Americans.

          More:

          Cut out the never ending wars , space weapons and feed your starving people…even the farmers cannot get the seed to grow their wheat any longer.
          ………………………………

          Just laughable. The US is one of the top wheat producing nations in the world. The claim that our farmers cannot get seed is ludicrous.

          And no–there are no starving Americans. There are in Pakistan, though, which Bada Bhai lauds–Pakistan ranked 106 out of 119 countries on the Global Hunger Index (GHI), and almost half of Pakistanis face food insecurity, and a full 18% severely lack access to food. *This* is what Bada Bhai wants for Americans.

          More:

          The leftist attacks has meant that the country is completely divided and there are far fewer GravenImages and Wellingtons left … they are aging and dying out (note 32nd anniversary means …OOOLLLLDDD).
          ………………………………

          Bada Bhai appears to be incapable of understanding that civilized people consider high life expectancy is actually a *good thing*. Life expectancy is, of course pretty low in Pakistan, the place that he claims we should aspire to. Then, it is only as high there as it is because of Western aid. In the West itself, life expectancy is high and is growing.

          More:

          The young whites think and wish they were black and the blacks want power … to do what blacks do best the world over…

          Have fun for 6 months, take the land , farms shops etc and then bankrupt the country.

          Great examples of black power are Uganda, Zimbabwe where note printing has led to a 10million% inflation rate ( last time I checked anyway) … and South Africa is well on its way to bankruptcy.

          In America there is no difference now between the younger blacks and whites… together the younger generation will take it and make it the Zimbabwe of the West… and there is zilch that GravenImage and Wellington can do about it
          ………………………………

          In the United States we have *equal rights*–of course a Mohammedan who considers Blacks to be slaves is unable to understand this. Black people getting good jobs, running businesses, and being productive does not take away from the advances and achievement of other ethnicities, unless it involves some racial scam like “affirmative action”.  

          More:

          The solution… Islam and its discipline, food for the brain, young budding enterprises for completely remodelling clothes, new buildings for madrassas for the youngsters and closing of the drug, drink and cigarette Friday night culture …as this Juma (prayer day).
          ………………………………

          Just hilarious–in reality, Islam rejects reason and productive thought, and enforces immuring women in Burqas. The idea that this is any kind of step forward is grotesque.

          More:   

          NO bloody lefties, no far right, no blacks, no whites …only Islam … what a beautiful world that would be .

          TOP TIP : America needs Islam urgently ….
          ………………………………

          Islam is a retarding, intellectually arid creed that allows for slavery. Nothing could be a bigger step backward for the civilized world.

        • Wellington says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 7:30 pm

          Says Bada Bhai, “TOP TIP: America needs Islam urgently….”

          Note to BB: If America had Islam in a major way in its presence from its inception, America would have never been born in the first place. It would have just been another polity a slave to Allah and where liberty, equality under the law, expansion of the mind and the capacity to apologize for wrongdoing, all done in the effort “to form a more perfect Union,” would have never occurred in the first place.

          Understand this, gather this, reflect upon this. You won’t but you should.

          Done here—for now.

          Oh, btw, Islam sucks. I wanted to write this just in case you may have missed what I asserted above. What a loser you are.

      • James Lincoln says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 7:41 am

        Wellington,

        A well-written, factual, and evidence-based post.

        My compliments.

        Reply
    • Infidel says

      Nov 19, 2020 at 9:59 pm

      Rod, since you’re not an American, just leave the elections of our leaders to us! It’s none of your business!

      Reply
      • Rod says

        Nov 19, 2020 at 11:11 pm

        Infidel, if you’ll guarantee me that your leader, through vainglorious stupidity, won’t engulf me, my country, my world in a pointless, illegal, catastrophic war, and its disastrous consequences, OK, you can elect whomever you like.
        But you can’t give me that guarantee.
        You see, it’s happened before. Just stop electing idiots.

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        • gravenimage says

          Nov 19, 2020 at 11:13 pm

          By “war”, “Rod” means any efforts at defending against Jihad terror.

        • andra says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 9:44 am

          As far as I know Trump has not started a single war in these last four years. Other than Bush, Clinton, Obama.
          So I wonder who is the better American President for the rest of the world?

        • Giacomo Latta says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 9:53 am

          Yes, your ”concern” for the USA, Antifaman, makes ISIS sound like a bunch of bleeding-hearts.

        • Infidel says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 10:14 am

          Rod, not only can I give you that guarantee, but Trump has already done that. You mistook him for Bush and other neocons. Trump is the first president not to have started any way during his terms. The number of military actions that took place in his watch can be counted on one hand – the 2 attacks on the Syrian ‘chemical weapons bases’, the MOAB attack in Afghanistan, killings of Baghdadi and Soleimani… that’s about it! On top of that, there was that case of him pulling back at the 11th hour an attack on Iran in retaliation for downing a US drone: he didn’t want human casualties on the Iranian side when there were none on ours, which is as fair as one could want!

          He’s pulled troops out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Germany, over the objections of the military-industrial complex! Troops in these countries would be down to 2000, and decreasing when he’s done. If anything, it’s people on Biden’s side who would happily engulf you and your world in more wars: it was under the great Obama that NATO, which hasn’t had a good raison d’etre to exist since the 90s, made an unprovoked attack on Libya to remove Gaddafi from power, and that country has never been the same since. If Biden gets elected, the key person calling the foreign policy shots is likely to be Susan Rice, who’s the John Bolton of the Democrat side.

          Your arguments would have made sense if you were talking about the need to support BLM, Antifa, climate change and so on. The criteria that you picked to oppose Trump and support the Dems is the stupidest one that anyone could pick, since Trump has been a better Democrat than the Dems on this one issue

        • mortimer says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 3:12 pm

          Trump is removing US troops and did not start a war. Rod is an uninformed, careless clown running his mouth … short on facts.

        • Rod says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 6:58 am

          Oh dear. I ask for a guarantee that your president won’t start a war. You reply that Trump hasn’t started a war.
          Yet.

          And I’m supposed to believe that you are rational thinkers? You haven’t yet mastered the basics of the English language.

          Little wonder it’s so easy for Spencer to delude you.

        • Giacomo Latta says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 3:01 pm

          Reply to Rod concerning war: who owes you anything, Zero? And yes, Trump has yet t0 start a war. How sad for you.

        • Infidel says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 6:12 pm

          Rod, not only did he not start a war, but in what could be his last few days if the election isn’t decided his way, he’s ordering the rapid withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Middle East and Europe. Is that what war mongers typically do? If anything, they’d do the opposite – have troops present everywhere in the world, so that they can crack down on enemies at a moment’s notice

          The issue is not the English language w/ you: it’s basic logic! It’s an open secret in the conservative movement that Trump opposes the traditional conservative penchant for war! It’s what makes him completely different from your Bush or Romney or McConnell (who at this moment is actively critical of these troop withdrawals)

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 6:22 pm

          As “Rod” well knows, no one can guarantee the actions of another person–his pretending that one can is *anything* but rational as he pretends. But the fact that President Trump has not started a war in the past four years obviously makes it unlikely that he would do so now–the implication that noting this is immaterial is absurd.

    • infidel says

      Nov 19, 2020 at 11:17 pm

      How DISGRACEFUL of U Rod…!!! Trump has something that Biden don’t – HIS UNQUALIFIED LOVE FOR HIS COUNTRY… He never betrays his electorate and NEVER SOLD USA short in all these four years. Is that not what a leader ought to do.. And this I’m saying as an absolute 3rd party with no personal interests in the USA.

      Reply
      • Demsci says

        Nov 21, 2020 at 1:58 am

        Quite so Infidel, but I like to add to the assessment of Trump’s love for his country. You see, I would believe many citizens and also Muslims who say that they love their country, in all countries.

        But Trump also loves America’s Constitution, laws, the fundaments of a true democratic system and that’s something that for instance socialists and Muslims do not have so much love for.

        Reply
        • Rod says

          Nov 23, 2020 at 8:02 am

          I suspect he especially loves the bit that says the president can pardon himself.
          And the really crazy bit that says the president can veto the wishes of hundreds of congressmen and women elected by the people of the United States to manage their country for them. It’s like the Divine Right of Kings, which was scrapped centuries ago in less advanced countries.

    • andra says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 9:34 am

      What pandemic are you talking about. If we lived in 2009 no one would care about Covid19, because it had never reached epidemic standard at all. But in 2010 the WHO decided that our life is far too boring without any pandemic events and set down the regulations for what is called an epedemy.

      Reply
    • Phil Copson says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 9:38 am

      “Your leader a sexual predator, an incorrigible liar, and a laughing stock.”
      ——————————————————————————————-
      Rod is confusing Trump with Biden here, though I don’t doubt his expertise on being an “incorrigible liar”.

      Reply
    • E T says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 1:20 pm

      Rod knows everything negative. Funny the hospital workers I know can’t find all the COVID patients that CNN finds. Why are 800 hospital workers laid off? Casedemic. Remember when you are ordered to do the goose step, one must raise their right arm.

      HELL NO, YOU ARE NOT BEING CONDITIONED TO VIEW YOUR FREEDOM AS “SELFISH”.

      Did the flu disappear this year?

      Reply
      • J. Morgan says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 1:24 pm

        Rod is gullible. CNN or the like must be his source of news and he believes it all. He would be pitied if he weren’t a dangerous tool.

        Reply
  5. Brando says

    Nov 19, 2020 at 8:16 pm

    Hello,what a DISAPPOINTMENT, I am a Libertarian and the Most Prestigious Libertarian THINK TANK in the US,probably in the World is:

    The CATO INSTITUTE

    It claims to use REASON and LOGIC but it is false,regarding ISLAM.

    THEIR ACCEPTANCE OF THE WORD “ISLAMOPHOBIA”

    It should NOT be used ,the word to use is MUSLIMOPHOBIA.

    1.Islam is NOT a RACE nor a group of PERSONS

    2.It is a SET of IDEAS

    Like COMMUNISM or SOCIALISM: a set of IDEAS

    You can have ANY kind of reaction to Ideas,Negative reaction or Positive Reaction.The same for Communism and Socialism ( you can LOVE it or HATE it,those IDEAS).

    FOR a COMMUNIST

    If you fear and hate the IDEAS of Communism, you have a PHOBIA(irrational fear) of COMMUNISM,it is COMMUNISMOPHOBIA.

    Likewise for a SOCIALIST,but for those who are AGAISNT Communism and Socialism:

    like the guys at the CATO INSTITUTE,it is Not a Phobia.

    HOW TO DECIDE?

    By LOGIC and REASON,the Libertarian Way.

    HOWEVER

    In The Cato Institute EITHER they are Really Stupid,

    or as I believe, they have been BOUGHT,they are Too Smart to actually Not See the INTELLECTUAL FRAUD of the way THEY(the Cato Institue) use the word Islamophobia:

    PROOF

    Here are articles they have written:

    A. “True Islam Does Not Kill Blasphemers ” (NOVEMBER 21,2018)

    B. “Is Cruz and Trump’s Islamophobia the New McCarthyism? ” ( MARCH 25,2016)

    C. “Fearing a Muslim Planet “(DECEMBER 13, 2010 )

    It BEGINS MOCKINGLY as:

    “Would you like a spot of Islamophobia in your tea?”

    D. “In the Trump Administration Islamophobia is Truly a Family Affair” (FEBRUARY 1, 2017 )

    E. “Dangerous Lessons in Islamophobia at the FBI” (SEPTEMBER 16,2011)

    F. “Muslims should Disarm Islamophobia with Kindness” (FEBRUARY 27,2020)

    HHHMMM….. would the Cato Institue, where they Hate and Despise Socialism and Communism( a SET of IDEAS), not SNEER at an article:

    “Socialists and Communists should disarm SOCIALISMOPHOBIA and COMMUNISMOPHOBIA with KINDNESS”

    Reply
    • gravenimage says

      Nov 19, 2020 at 8:32 pm

      Good post, Brando–thanks.

      Reply
      • Brando says

        Nov 19, 2020 at 10:09 pm

        Your welcome,on French TV,not a word,as far as I can tell,about Smartmatic/Dominion and Fraud.

        The ONLY News program that talks about it a lot,and about the danger of Islam, is “TV Libertés” .

        WIKIPEDIA calls it FAR-RIGHT,it is a LIE, it is Classical Liberal. Today to call somebody FAR right means to say one is fascist,ANTI-Human Rights.

        Wikipedia tells lies like CNN,the BBC,The New York Times,The Guardian,The Washinton Post.

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        • James Lincoln says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 7:48 am

          Brando,

          Do not trust Wikipedia regarding anything political. It’s content is monitored / edited by leftists.

          If you’re looking for the specs on a ’65 Mustang it’s very accurate. That accuracy gulls the average reader into thinking that *all* content is, likewise, accurate.

          Reader beware…

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 6:24 pm

          Very accurate re Wikipedia, James. I often start there for basic information–but if the topic is the least political, I usually check elsewhere as well for confirmation.

    • Infidel says

      Nov 19, 2020 at 10:03 pm

      The Cato Institute, and just about every think tank in DC, be it Libertarian, Conservative or Liberal, has been sold out to Corporate America. A twist here – unlike the Corporate America of the 80s, 90s, 00s, Corporate America of today has gone totally woke. Not just the ‘tech’ companies like Amazon, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Twitter… but also companies that were once thought of as traditional American – Pepsi, Burger King, Dior, Cisco, Intel, et al

      Only think tank that still seems to be reasonably true to its original mission is the Federalist: other than that, they’ve all sold their souls for 30 trillion pieces of silver

      Reply
      • Don Ameche says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 3:03 am

        The Federalist has given us some very ” questionable” conservative, originalist judges though. Pretty bad record recently. You’d almost think the Federalist had linked with the Lincoln Project .

        Reply
        • Infidel says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 9:52 pm

          Interesting. From the Federalist people that I see on TV, like Molly Hemmingway, who’ve not only supported the president on traditional conservative policies and the judiciary, but also on some of his more populist policies, like bringing the troops home, normalizing relations w/ Russia, I was under the impression that the Federalist is still a good holdout. Not just Molly, but also Chris Bedford, Sean Davis, Bre Peyton, Ben Domenech (who despite being married to that insane Meghan McCain is still good)

          As far as the judges go, yeah, there have been a couple of bad calls from Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, but it’s too early to read them yet. The president has been using their recommendations, since they’ve done the groundwork on them. Yeah, many ‘conservative’ judges flip, like John Roberts most recently, but using the Federalist society has been a better benchmark than how Bush used to nominate judges

      • James Lincoln says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 7:51 am

        Infidel,

        You are correct.

        Corporate America is now almost totally *woke*. Only the exceptions stand out like, say, Goya Foods…

        Reply
        • Infidel says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 10:20 am

          James, I absolutely hate it that of all the burger chains that exist, my favorite had to be from Burger King, which is probably the wokest of them all!

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 4:10 pm

          Grimly true, James.

    • revereridesagain says

      Nov 19, 2020 at 10:05 pm

      I’m former Libertarian, Objectivist, and we’re getting similar junk to Cato’s out of ARI. I don’t know when some of these people are going to get their heads out of their behinds, stop with the airy theorizing and take a good hard look at what is actually happening in front of their faces. As Rand used to say, “Atlas Shrugged” is a warning not an instruction manual. Nobody in their right mind actually wants to see us have to claw our way out of a collapse, and no libertarian in his/her right mind should have anything but contempt for the superstitious socialist anti-individualist irrational cult of Islam.

      Reply
      • E T says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 5:30 pm

        Cato crossed over a long time ago.

        Reply
    • Kathy says

      Nov 19, 2020 at 11:18 pm

      Excellent comment, just one more point: a phobia is an irrational fear of something which does not constitute a real threat – Islam DOES constitute a very real threat to the non-Moslem society as a whole, and the fear of that is very real and by no way a phobia!

      Reply
      • Don Ameche says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 3:08 am

        +1

        Reply
  6. Westman says

    Nov 19, 2020 at 8:19 pm

    Of course there was election cheating in many forms and levels in the 2020 US electiions, some of which we are currently unable to imagine until they are discovered. The Chicago political machine, alone, was known for generations to change the outcome of elections.

    The question is always, was it enough to change the outcome? With marginal cheating, it gets lost in the noise of normal human error and only matters when both sides of the vote are very close.

    It would be accurate to say that neither Hillary or Biden won a popular vote that rose above the error noise. The Founders were wise enough to provide the Electoral College which tends to eliminate deadlock by changing the Presidential election into a state-by-state majority election.

    Perhaps the takeaway from this election is that media now tends to place its thumb on the scale much as it did in the 1800s. It’s likely that most voters of both main political parties have rightfully lost confidence in the media which lowered itself to the equivalent of The National Enquirer. Even Biden has lost credibility after calling Trump supporters “nazis” and then appealing to them for unity. He will be a “lame duck” from the beginning of his presidency after spewing such poison.

    Software controlled voting machines are dangerous, not only by their hidden functioning which allows manipulation, also, by the fact there is no error free software. For any computer scientist this an undeniable axiom of programming. Who checks for the voting machine’s errors, itself?

    Reply
    • James Lincoln says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 8:13 am

      Westman says,

      “With marginal cheating, it gets lost in the noise of normal human error…”

      That is correct.

      My personal take:

      In this 2020 Presidential Election, the Democrats likely felt that the race would only require – at most – a marginal cheating effort.

      When it became apparent that Pres. Trump was going to win in spite of a marginal cheating effort, they pulled out the very risky “insurance policy” and likely flipped tens of thousands of votes – after the polls closed…

      Reply
      • E T says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 2:05 pm

        I went to bed at 3 o’clock on the 4th of November. I knew then there had been a massive attack on the voting system of the United States of America.

        I will stake my life on Donald Trump winning the 2020 election.

        You cannot possibly have thousands of ballots all supporting only one candidate, in the middle of the night. Thousands with the same hand writing only voting for Biden. if it was not so tragic, one could have a good laugh at the brazen audacity of total bull shit.

        The press pushed the thought that Biden was way ahead in the polls, in order to plant the seed Biden won.
        We were told the Republicans would lose 27 house seats – hmmm the people who voted must have missed that message.

        Don’t buy into this attempt to remove president Trump.

        I love our wonderful neighbour, the United States of America and I love President Trump. Many Canadians believe Trump won, never surrender to tyranny.

        The freedom of the entire world is up for grabs.

        Reply
      • Demsci says

        Nov 21, 2020 at 2:17 am

        From Holland, where there are also many people pro-Trump, I followed the US election all night. Biden got off to a good start and 4,00 AM I went to bed for an hour being worried for Trump. That was 10,00 PM American time.

        At 5,00 AM (11,00 PM) I rose and saw Trump winning. Until 2,00 PM (8,00 AM) I felt confident in a Trump win and TFI global news from India then actually called the election “normally speaking” for Trump. But from 3,00 PM (09,00 AM) the tide turned again, I got more and more worried and for me the election and my mood went all downhill after that.

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  7. Brian Hoff says

    Nov 19, 2020 at 10:14 pm

    There is zero evidence of massive voters fraud. One MAGA teump voter got arrested at the polling site on election day for voting twice as trump tell his MAGA supporter to do.

    Reply
    • gravenimage says

      Nov 19, 2020 at 10:41 pm

      Where did President Trump tell anyone to vote twice? Just ludicrous calumny.

      Reply
      • Rod says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 12:13 am

        A ludicrous calumny which I saw and heard committed. I must have been hallucinating. The PussyGrabber has that effect sometimes – you’re not quite sure it is really happening.

        Remember when the virus was going to go away – like a miracle? He can’t have really said that. Ludicrous. Calumny.

        Reply
        • Giacomo Latta says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 9:57 am

          So COVID-19 is here to stay for eternity, Dr. Antifaman? Got your remdesivir handy?

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 4:13 pm

          Even Snopes–no fan of the President–debunks this ludicrous claim:

          https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-vote-twice-north-carolina/

        • E T says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 5:41 pm

          I have noticed, when half-wits are down, they come back with the “PussyGrabber” defence. Why do they never talk about the portrait in Jeffrey Epstein’s place, Clinton in a “blue dress”, red heels, with his legs draped over the chair arm. What a bloody proud moment that was.

          What about all the women’s lives Slick Willy destroyed?

          I would rather be in a room with Donald Trump any day. I would never be in a room with Clinton or Biden. Just sayin…….

        • Demsci says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 2:30 am

          Read Snopes, in GI’s link, Rod. ‘I saw and heard him say it”. Even that isn’t foolproof anymore. The media can manipulate someone’s words too, by selectively airing it, then distorting it.

          And ….. Yes pro-Trumpers may have done something akin to Joe Biden, ridiculing him about his dementia. I heard and at least am open to the possibility.

          Honest people on both sides Should abhor and reject media-manipulation, Rod. It is immoral and sooner or later someone YOU love or vote for get’s the same treatment, from the other side, or your own, once the other side is defeated.

        • Rod says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 7:06 am

          ‘Why do they never talk about the portrait in Jeffrey Epstein’s place, Clinton in a “blue dress”, etc, ‘

          Could it be, ET, because the Pussy Grabber is your president? And not mine?
          Just a suggestion.

          PS It’s not a “defence”. It’s a statement, however uncomfortable, of fact.

      • Infidel says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 10:22 am

        Only thing he did at his rallies was to encourage people to verify that their votes had been recorded, and if not, then vote ‘again’ in person! The MSM spun that as his asking people to vote twice

        Reply
      • curious george says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 6:44 pm

        gravenimage,

        It appears that this individual is a typical leftist, doing what leftist do best… D&P.

        Deflection and Projection!

        It appears those on the left are unhappy people and they want everyone else to be unhappy with them. They seem to have an emptiness that they can only fill by manufacturing a crisis, and then coming to the rescue. It gives them a false sense of fulfillment, as if they have done something worthwhile, something noble, when in reality, they are sad, empty lost souls, who destroy everything around them.

        Reply
        • Rod says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 7:33 am

          Sorry george, I’m not at all unhappy. I’ve lived a full and happy life, I’m not sad and empty, and have no wish to destroy anything, except perhaps the weird illusions under which some poor souls suffer.

          I’m concerned, like millions of others, that Americans chose an absurdly incompetent, slow-witted, self-obsessed, habitual liar to lead them, that he’s clearly a danger to world stability and world peace (which concerns my children and my grandchildren), and that having seen what he is, some of them want more, even at the risk of losing perhaps forever, what’s left of what was once a great society.

          So, if the above is beyond your comprehension, you’ll have to look elsewhere for my motives.

          Meanwhile, I hope you and yours can avoid the pandemic. The statistics i’ve just seen are horrifying.

        • curious george says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 12:42 pm

          Rodney,

          The comments were not directed toward you, however, since YOU chose to think that they do, well, that speaks for itself.

          https://hereistheevidence.com/

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 6:26 pm

          “Rod” constantly whitewashes the horrors of Islam–if this is not destructive, I don’t know what is.

        • Rod says

          Nov 23, 2020 at 12:02 am

          george, thanks for that. I think I now see why such a childish president has such a strong appeal for you

    • Westman says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 5:51 am

      10 million fraudulent votes out of 150 million would be undetectable if their creation happened in random times and places. It is only massive, coinciding, short-term variations that can be detected.

      An algorithm can easily be programmed with reference to internal clocks of a computer, coupled with a random number generator to slightly weight the outcome differently for particular races while creating a scattering of data that appears to be normally random.

      I doubt that any future election which uses computers to read ballots will be regarded with confidence, nor should it be. There is no transparency with computers running proprietary software. Loading new software on the eve before elections inspires as much confidence as casinos downloading new probabilities into slot machines.

      When insurance companies are willing to regularly insure driverless vehicles, at normal and lower rates, we might develop more confidence. However, the lack of transparency will always remain.

      GIGO – garbage in, garbage out, has generally been a human or a sensor error. Proprietary software opens itself to all kinds of software-in-the-middle manipulation plus undiscovered unintentional programming errors. What voting machine company will ever admit to any errors in its software even though we see new aircraft crashes and satellites lost through computer errors? Have any of them ever admitted to a software bug?

      There are critical functions of society where the desire to use computers brings less, not more, confidence.

      Reply
    • E T says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 1:26 pm

      LIAR, Brian Hoff, you are LIAR.

      Reply
    • E T says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 2:07 pm

      change your name to Huff and Puff

      Reply
  8. TKF says

    Nov 19, 2020 at 10:52 pm

    The sham 2020 presidential election was nothing short of a political Peal Harbor

    Reply
    • Don Ameche says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 3:04 am

      +1

      Reply
  9. Walter Sieruk says

    Nov 19, 2020 at 11:17 pm

    Joe Biden , no doubt , with his insidious scheming with high power democrats more intelligent then he, to take part in national election fraud is despicable ,unethical and corrupt , This all reveals that Biden doesn’t have the good character to be the President of the United States ,let alone not having the intelligence to be a competent Chief Executive of America.

    Nevertheless if ,God forbid, Biden does actually enter into White House this coming January ,in spite of massive voter fraud, Then he will be a disaster for America, a disaster for Europe ,a disaster for Israel and a disaster for the world.

    Reply
  10. Walter Sieruk says

    Nov 19, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    If Joe Biden actually gets away this voter fraud scheme and enters the Presidential Office and sits in the chair of the President then he will only be a pretend President..

    In other words Biden will be a president pretender.

    In addition it should be keyboarded that Biden doesn’t belong in the White House ,he belongs in prison for election fraud ,as well as for many other evil things

    Reply
  11. CogitoErgoSum says

    Nov 19, 2020 at 11:44 pm

    Venezuela, Cuba, China, the Democratic Socialists AND the Democrats are all working together toward a common goal: to replace Capitalism in the U.S. with Socialism – by any means necessary. The time to stop them is now. We are fortunate to have a leader like Trump who NEVER gives up. We must not either.

    Reply
  12. Rod says

    Nov 20, 2020 at 12:21 am

    Sorry Cog, you no longer have Trump as your leader. Best to retreat to your bunker and wait for the end of civilisation. Take your guns and lots of ammo.

    Reply
    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 1:37 am

      It’s interesting that you spell civilization differently than I do. I find it quite quaint.

      Reply
      • Reziac says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 2:27 am

        Betraying himself as a scion of some former British colony, perhaps Egypt. I also note phrasing reminiscent of Muslim Brotherhood materials.

        Reply
        • Rod says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 5:15 am

          Isn’t Trumpistan another former British colony? The one where they forgot how to speak and write real English.

        • Giacomo Latta says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 10:05 am

          What a joke coming from someone who thinks that the adjectival form of ‘logic’ is ‘logistical’, who does not know the definition of the word ‘denounce’, who thinks that remdesivir is a cure for COVID-19 and who calls the USA Trumpistan while asserting that Trump is no longer its president. No psychiatrist could possibly get that chaos of random thoughts in order. Must be foggier than ever in the UK these days.

        • gravenimage says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 6:27 pm

          “Rod” slams American English, but is fine with illiteracy in Dar-al-Islam.

      • Phil Copson says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 8:23 am

        It’s interesting that you say “differently than” when, of course, the correct (English English) construction is “differently from”. I find it quite quaint. LOL…..

        Reply
        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 11:47 am

          Phil, well, I can go both ways on that one. However, I can’t understand using the “S” when a word absolutely calls for the use of the “Z.” I do not pronounce “say” as “zay” or “zebra” as “sebra.” But it doesn’t really matter anyway since in another generation or two we will have reverted to using pictures to communicate. 😁 🤳🐱‍🏍🎉🤦‍♂️

    • E T says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 1:32 pm

      Donald John Trump IS the President of the United States of America. He won a second term with a landslide vote in spite of globalist George Soros. The “great reset” has been cancelled.

      Keep calm and carry on sports fans.

      Reply
  13. Walter Sieruk says

    Nov 20, 2020 at 12:22 am

    Joe Biden wants to force all Americans to always wear a mask when ever they go or where ever the are ,except at home. This is not the action ort right of a Constitutional US President. It’s decree of dictator.

    Furthermore, a few scientists have been bold enough to come out and say that “Wearing a mask for protection from the coronavirus is useless because that virus is so very small that trying
    to wear a mask as a guard against COVID -19 is like attempting to stop a BB shot out of a BB gun with a tennis net.”

    This might be true and likewise Biden might use this forcing people to wear a mask is really just his excuse to test his power of unconstitutional control over the American people.

    As stated before on this site “Evil is always looking for an excuse.”

    The dictatorship of Biden might is indeed similar to the dictatorship of Venezuela .

    What a fiendish character that politician ,Joe Biden, must be.

    Reply
    • Reziac says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 2:41 am

      Japan had a brief voluntary shutdown in April, but is back to business as usual. Everyone wears masks, also entirely voluntary. Otherwise they take no precautions other than their usual cleanliness. They have one of the lowest COVID rates in the world, despite being one of the most crowded places.

      That’s what we should have done — *brief* shutdown to give hospitals a chance to catch up, then masks in crowded public spaces — but all entirely voluntary: Be a patriot, not an idiot. And our rulers wouldn’t have had the chance to become little tin gods.

      Masks DO work; there’s good data on that. It’s not the virus they block, it’s the spittle carrying virus particles. And even if a mask only blocks some of what’s floating around — with this virus, dose matters: the fewer virus particles you ingest, the less sick you get, but you develop immunity all the same. (BTW while woven cloth works fairly well, knitted fabrics like gaiters are worse than nothing.)

      Reply
    • David M says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 5:28 am

      Wearing a mask is a virtue signal to show the elites who released this virus you are a slave, & they will get you to do more & more things like this as time goes on, & reduce your freedoms more & more too. Look up “The Great Reset” for what is coming. If you don’t take their vaccine you won’t be able to do anything. The Chinese Social Score will be in force too. The globalist puppet Joe Biden will be right behind all this if he gets in. Then they will replace him with Kamala Harris.

      Reply
      • David M says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 5:31 am

        I forgot to say Venezuela has a similar legal structure to the USA, then they packed the Supreme Court & it was all over for democracy. The Democrats under Biden/ Harris are going to pack the Supreme Court, the same thing will happen to democracy.

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      • Rod says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 5:40 am

        Masks work, David. I watched it happen. You can die if you want to, but it’s a bit nasty and subhuman to infect others to show how proud you are. (Or stupid).

        Reply
        • Giacomo Latta says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 10:08 am

          So if masks work for you then what does it matter what anyone else is wearing?

        • Infidel says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 10:24 am

          If that’s the case, why did one CDC study show that 85% of people who contracted the virus say that they wore masks either all or most of the time?

        • curious george says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 1:46 pm

          Rod says

          Masks work, David. I watched it happen.
          ……………………………….

          That’s nothing more than an opinion… produce empirical evidence to substantiate that what you claim is a scientific certainty.

          Major Study Finds Masks Don’t Reduce COVID-19 Infection Rates

          https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/18/major-study-finds-masks-dont-reduce-covid-19-infection-rates/

        • Rod says

          Nov 20, 2020 at 11:21 pm

          Giacomo, if you are infected, and asymptomatic (not unusual), masks reduce the chances of you infecting others. It’s common sense.

          The rest of the world learned all this months ago. Where were you? Answer: probably in the USA, or consuming Trump’s version of cutting edge epidemiology.

          Infidel, you have got the Trump version of that story. Do some reading and find the facts. Easy to manage, even for you.
          “Fact check: Does CDC study show ’85 percent’ of COVID-19 patients wore masks? Not exactly.”

        • Giacomo Latta says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 3:07 pm

          Try reading some time. If masks work for you what does it matter what other people are doing?

        • Rod says

          Nov 23, 2020 at 12:14 am

          “Try reading some time. If masks work for you what does it matter what other people are doing?”

          Giacomo, I’m really sorry to tax your brain so much and so often, but not infecting others, and urging others not to infect others is one form of responsible civilised behaviour. Even among dotards.
          And,
          It helps to keep infection rates and death rates below those which Americans are suffering. Haven’t you noticed that lots of countries are doing better than yours?

    • E T says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 1:38 pm

      Thousands of scientists have stated wearing a mask is useless, shhhh Walter, you are not supposed to tell. You must fall in line, my dear man. Soon Soros will inform the media with bathroom instructions…………

      Reply
      • Rod says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 11:46 pm

        ET, surely you meant to say “Millions”. If you care to look, you’ll see some countries have almost or completely shut down their second wave. Some countries never had a second wave. By magic? By good luck? No, by following science and the advice of responsible leaders.

        Meanwhile, Americans, secure in the knowledge that Trump knows all the answers, die in thousands. Yes, you are dying, now, today, in thousands – it is horrific. Why? And it seems likely to continue for weeks or months.
        If it wasn’t so tragic, it would be …never mind.

        George, if you haven’t seen that nonsense discussed and rebutted, you aren’t being “curious” enough. Do some reading. Staff in hospitals wear masks. They insist that visitors wear masks. Paramedics wear masks. But you know better?

        Reply
        • gravenimage says

          Nov 21, 2020 at 12:26 am

          “Rod” doesn’t care about dead Infidels–this is just his castigating Americans.

  14. andra says

    Nov 20, 2020 at 3:06 am

    Smartmatic voting software
    ——————–
    As far as I know this software was also used for the latest EU-election. And I do not believe that that election was fraud-free.

    Reply
  15. Phil Copson says

    Nov 20, 2020 at 8:08 am

    “WHY WON’T HE CONCEDE?” demands BBC

    (by our election correspondents Wayne County and Elizabeth Warren Hastings)

    Without producing any evidence, Premier Donald Churchill today claimed that the 1940 election was not yet over, and has made an unsubstantiated assertion that despite the media and many world leaders having called the result in favour of his opponent, he still expects to achieve victory.
    Commentators have decried Mr Churchill’s use of inflammatory speeches, which have contained threats to “fight them on the beaches” and in various other locations, without any apparent regard for social distancing measures.

    “C’mon, Manfred von Richtofen…”

    Churchill supporters wearing distinctive tin-helmets bearing the slogan “Make America Great Britain Again” have reportedly been stock-piling offensive weapons, and aggressive groups of military-age males – some armed with unlicensed rifles and even small aircraft carrying as many as eight machine-guns – are reported to be congregating in towns along the South Coast, leading to fears of violent clashes over the English Channel.

    “Build Bach Better”

    His opponent, Mr Adolf Biden – a top motivational-speaker and author of best-sellers “Mein Trumpf” and “The Art Of The Steal”, who served as Vice-President in the previous Hindenberg administration – has also condemned the Premier’s irresponsible use of divisive language.

    “British Union of Frackists”

    Hair Biden has reiterated his commitment to free movement, an end to European borders, annexing the Pennsylvanian oil-fields, and achieving peace in our time through the imposition of social and political unity under a “New World Order”, adding on a conciliatory note, that he “fully expects to be in London by Christmas”.

    “My enemy’s enemy is Miss McEnamy”

    So far however, Sir Winston Trump has obstinately refused all requests to allow the German “transition team” into Whitehall, and has issued a statement via his Whitehall Press Secretary, glamorous blonde Miss Mara Largo, indicating that he intends to mount a determined challenge in the key “battleground states” of England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

    Reply
    • gravenimage says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 4:17 pm

      This is very funny, Phil. 🙂

      Reply
      • Phil Copson says

        Nov 23, 2020 at 9:32 pm

        Thanks, GI – it gave me a bit of fun writing it.

        (Who could resist referring to the creepy, child-pawing, hair-sniffing Joe Biden as “Hair Biden” ? and I’ll admit to still feeling quite chuffed at “My enemy’s enemy is Miss Kayleigh McEnamy”)

        Reply
        • gravenimage says

          Nov 23, 2020 at 9:35 pm

          🙂

  16. Yasptharaj Nagarajah says

    Nov 20, 2020 at 9:59 am

    I really hope and praythat the Democrat crooks do not get away with this major fraud they commited to steal this election so that President Trump rightfully and deservingly gets to be in charge of America for 4 more years. I am not an American but I know that if there is any country at all in the world where there is hope of truth and justice to prevail it is America. God Bless the USA.

    Reply
    • Infidel says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 10:26 am

      I really wish Modi would stop congratulating Biden and Kamala (who’s not an Indian-American) until the results are certified, or safer yet, wait until January 20th

      Reply
      • JOEYN says

        Nov 20, 2020 at 11:46 am

        Yes I am very disappointed to learn that he has congratulated Biden considering the fact that he seemed to be supportive of President Trump the last 4 years. You are right in saying that he should have waited until January 20th.

        Reply
  17. mortimer says

    Nov 20, 2020 at 3:54 pm

    “Computerized voter fraud is designed to give you the number of votes you need to win an election”

    Reply
    • E T says

      Nov 20, 2020 at 5:44 pm

      OMG the deer hunt is on and so far, although the deer were shot, they actually died of COVID!

      Reply
  18. OLD GUY says

    Nov 20, 2020 at 6:55 pm

    If voter fraud took place in 2020 what a sad day for America and the people of the world. It goes to show just how power hungry some individuals are. Individual freedoms are worth so much, giving them up with out a fight is unlikely. Our world is about to change and not for the better. I hope my children and grand children will have the quality of life that I have had living in the most free country in the world, God Bless AMERICA Please.

    Reply

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