This is long overdue and is simple common sense: are we going to stay in Afghanistan and Iraq forever? McConnell and McCaul are completely out of touch. It is not the responsibility of the United States to ensure that other nations have good governments. It is the responsibility of the United States to defend itself from foreign threats. We can do that without having troops on the ground in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Rep. Michael McCaul, Republican leader on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said of the plans for Afghanistan, “We need to ensure a residual force is maintained for the foreseeable future to protect U.S. national and homeland security interests and to help secure peace for Afghanistan.”
“AP sources: Trump to order troop cuts in Afghanistan, Iraq,” by Lolita C. Baldor, Associated Press, November 16, 2020:
President Donald Trump is expected to cut a significant number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan and a smaller number in Iraq by the final days of his presidency, U.S. officials said Monday. The plan would run counter to military commanders’ advice over the past year, while still falling short of Trump’s much-touted goal to end America’s long wars.
The decision comes just days after Trump installed a new slate of loyalists in top Pentagon positions who share his frustration with the continued troop presence in the war zones. But the expected plans would leave 2,500 troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan, meaning that President-elect Joe Biden would be the fourth president to grapple with the still-smoldering conflicts launched in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
U.S. officials said military leaders were told over the weekend about the planned withdrawals and that an executive order is in the works but has not yet been delivered to commanders. Officials cautioned that there could always be changes, and Trump is known to make snap decisions based on media reports and online chatter. Officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.
There are 4,500 to 5,000 troops in Afghanistan and more than 3,000 in Iraq.
As news broke about the plan, Republican leaders on Capitol Hill issued stark warnings about making any hasty exit from Afghanistan that could jeopardize the peace process and undermine counterterrorism efforts.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the Trump administration has made tremendous headway against terrorist threats, but warned against a potentially “humiliating” pullout from Afghanistan that he said would be worse than President Barack Obama’s 2011 withdrawal from Iraq and reminiscent of the U.S. departure from Saigon in 1975.
Rep. Michael McCaul, Republican leader on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said of the plans for Afghanistan, “We need to ensure a residual force is maintained for the foreseeable future to protect U.S. national and homeland security interests and to help secure peace for Afghanistan.”…
Andrew says
What exactly are the US National and Homeland security interests in a country as far away from the USA as Afghanistan?. I was 100% against the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, two countries most Americans couldnt have found on a World map, which may still be the case today, and yet for reasons beyond my pay grade Uncle Sam is supposed to sort out the problems of the world when it cant seem to sort out its own problems at home.
I told people in the US that the Afghani people almost brought down the British Empire, they helped in bring down the USSR Empire so who the hell do you Americans think you are when you know nothing, repeat nothing, about this country high in the mountains still living in the 16th century.
The Russian invasion of Afghanistan started this whole jihadi crap thats going on around the World today, and the Special Forces of the USA could have grabbed Bin Laden while he was in the Afghan Mountains but Cheney wanted more of his agenda, Pipelines etc, to dominate and I told people in the States way back when, that if you invade Afghanistan you will have trouble getting out with your dignity intact and that is exactly whats going on today.
its best to leave now, totally, as I do not wish to see more young Americans die for a people that despises them.
Let Afghanistan and Iraq sort out their own shit, more than enough Americans have died for those people who have fought each other for longer than the USA has been a country. Fuck em…
Mukhtar says
So well written and it is awesome ?❤️
Bjorn says
That’s right! What are we doing there?
There are wars everywhere where Muslims have power.
gravenimage says
Trump to order significant troop cuts in Afghanistan and Iraq
…………
Good. It is not possible to civilize these Islamic crap holes.
Lion heart says
Gravenimage: Iraqi Muslims instead of thanking USA for liberating them from a monstrous dictator who was sitting heavily on their shoulders for three decades , they stabbed the Americans in the back by fighting against them and not only that but also , many Iraqi Arab Muslim who have worked as interpreters with the US army have betrayed the Americans by snitching on them to their fellow Islamic terrorists through texting to them about the whereabouts of the American military convoys so that the Islamic terrorists would ambush the Americans and kill them while sparing the lives of their fellow Muslims ! and I told the Americans back the not to hire any Muslim as interpreter because I ain’t trust them and I am a Canadian Christian guy originally from Iraq.
LB says
“Iraqi muslims….”
You lost me right there. See, your mistake was thinking that muslims can be civilized in the first place. Throughout their entire history, muslims have WAGED OFFENSIVE WARS against non-muslims and were ruled by one “dictator” on top because that was the only possible way of reigning them in. That has not changed even today.
You call Saddam a “monstrous dictator”, but I call him a typical muslim. If it wasn’t Saddam (and his son Uday), someone else would have acted the same (if not worse) as him. By forcibly removing him, USA has opened a can of worms out of which numerous muslim groups crawled out and started vying for power by competing which one is more muslim (aka more deserving to be in power). That means killing off, enslaving or banishing any and all non-muslims around them. I’m sure I needn’t remind you of the fact that Christians and other non-muslim minorities were (mostly) protected during Saddam’s reign, but where are they now? Can you really say that Iraq is better off now that it was during Saddam?
Bottom line is this: MUSLIMS ARE INCAPABLE OF BEING CIVILIZED! If you are a non-muslim today living in a muslim country, you are not safe and will never be. Even if things seem to be perfectly okay and all your muslim neighbors are really nice people, there is no telling when they might come for your and your family’s heads. The sooner you (and everyone else in the world) realize this fact, the bigger your chances of survival become.
Michael Chernick says
LB You are mostly correct but our success in routing The Husseins was screwed up by Cheney / Bush (in that order) stupidly dismantling the ruling Baathe Party by puppet Paul Bremer, whose actions led to a richer source of income and status among the Bush donor class for Cheney. Saddam was encouraging terrorists with payments to their families. Iraq could have remained polarized from Iran, to our advantage even with Saddam gone but Cheney / Bush were above their pay grade of competency, and disloyal to their oath of office eg. The phony Battle of Fallujah, staged just to get re-elected. They announced the Fallujah invasion, scared Iraqi fighters away, came in looking victorious, and their PR machine made that trick look emblematic of overall success-which it certainly was not; but America applauded before it resumed losing thousands more lives and accumulating trillions in debt.
Harryagain says
They were civilised…..until the USA arrived on the scene.
Infidel says
You have a definition of ‘civilized’ that matches few others’
Michael Chernick says
Infidel=Truthteller. Harryagain’s real name is Muhammed
gravenimage says
Wait–they were civilized until the United States stopped them from waging genocide and stoning women to death? What is Harryagain’s understanding of civilization? *Ugh*.
But then, this troll has made similar noises here before.
sweetolbob says
GravenImage:
Right you are ! And further, the whole miserable, poppy growing, filthy muslim country isn’t worth
an ingrown toenail on the first American soldier !
They have proven that their word can’t be depended upon and they won’t do anything to stop the spread of spread of islamic terror or the growth of Isis.
Time past to bring our young men home ! If you want to prevent the growth of Communism, fascism, and the horrors of countries like Venezuela, let them fight antifa here at home.
Bada Bhai says
Salaam Ms Graven,
It took me somewhat by surprise that your are a woman (as someone pointed out) as your responses are so vile and in bad taste. You say “it is not possible to civilize these Islamic crap holes”…but you still want to come there.
Your armies and earlier the British armies have all been here and now are gone/going. You keep coming to try and “civilise” us whether we want it or not. … but you don’t want the reverse. Everything should and must be dictated by you …WHY?
I cannot see that your culture is doing particularly well .. what is it? $270T in debt, antifa and BLM running riot , the democrats saying that silence is violence but looting is not ?
Any dissenting voice away from the democrats means that your FB, twitter account is shut, you are fired from your job and can no longer get another one, opening up a bank account is not possible etc etc etc etc…..
So, HOW and WHY are you superior?… you ARE NOT….. that’s the truth!!!
We did not ask you to come … but since you are here why not try our culture instead your broken one?
Islam IS a religion of peace once you are Muslim… it is only the transition that is a bit painful … but with a broken culture what have you got to lose anyway? Liberation , freedom, free from prying male eyes using burka what could be better?
TOP TIP: Ask for government sponsored madrassa to be build in each city asap.
don vito says
Be ye saracen?
Infidel says
Naseem by another name?
James Lincoln says
Bada Bhai says,
“Islam IS a religion of peace once you are Muslim…”
Looks like you exposed your agenda at the end of your post.
From a muslim’s point of view, “peace” only happens when infidels either:
1. Convert to islam.
2. Pay a Jizya
or
3. Are killed.
So islam is a “religion of peace” only after the above are fulfilled…
gravenimage says
+1
Daniel Triplett says
Excellent, succinct, and accurate. My compliments James. I recognize the military influence.
James Lincoln says
Daniel Triplett,
Thank you.
Interestingly, going through US Navy primary flight training dramatically improved my skills as a physician.
I devised “pocket rocket checklists” which evolved into my own personal medical software for patient visits. Made it nearly impossible to forget an important item!
Do I have just a touch of OCD?
Of course I do – just like airline pilots!
Daniel Triplett says
Me too James. I’ve always kept personal “checklists” too, especially in the military. Military ops are far more challenging than anything I’ve done commercially, IMHO. But on the other hand, US military ops have been far more personally rewarding.
john smith says
Perfectly put James.
gravenimage says
Appalling Muslim apologist for savagery Bada Bhai wrote:
Salaam Ms Graven,
It took me somewhat by surprise that your are a woman (as someone pointed out) as your responses are so vile and in bad taste. You say “it is not possible to civilize these Islamic crap holes”…but you still want to come there.
………………………….
Bada Bhai doesn’t expect Infidel women to know the truth about Islam–he expects us to be weak-minded and easy prey to Taqiyya. Not sorry to disapoint this thug. Also, the “someone” who pointed this out was myself.
Then, how is opposing the horrors of Jihad and Shari’ah vile and in bad taste? Personally, I find supporting evil to be completely vile and in the worst taste imaginable.
Then, Westerners had no desire to go to Afghanistan–we went there because the vicious Taliban was allowing Osama bin Laden to use their country as a base for waging Jihad against us. Our only mistake was in staying–as I said, it is not possible to civilize a place that is virtually 100% Islamic.
More:
Your armies and earlier the British armies have all been here and now are gone/going. You keep coming to try and “civilise” us whether we want it or not. … but you don’t want the reverse. Everything should and must be dictated by you …WHY?
………………………….
Just laughable. It is Muslims who demand that civilized people submit to their foul creed.
More:
I cannot see that your culture is doing particularly well .. what is it? $270T in debt, antifa and BLM running riot , the democrats saying that silence is violence but looting is not ?
Any dissenting voice away from the democrats means that your FB, twitter account is shut, you are fired from your job and can no longer get another one, opening up a bank account is not possible etc etc etc etc…..
………………………….
Whatever the problems of the West, they pale before the dysfunction and savagery of Islam.
Then, most of what this Muslim troll says is utter claptrap, in any case. The idea that you can’t open a bank account or get a job if you run afoul of Facebook’s enforcement of Shari’ah is ludicrous.
More:
So, HOW and WHY are you superior?… you ARE NOT….. that’s the truth!!!
We did not ask you to come … but since you are here why not try our culture instead your broken one?
………………………….
The idea that sane Westerners want to start “marrying” children, raping small “dancing boys”, imprisoning and “Honor Killing” and stoning women to death is just grotesque. Yes–the West is immeasurably superior to Islam.
More:
Islam IS a religion of peace once you are Muslim… it is only the transition that is a bit painful … but with a broken culture what have you got to lose anyway? Liberation , freedom, free from prying male eyes using burka what could be better?
………………………….
Firstly, note that Bada Bhai is openly admitting that Muslims act like savages toward non-Muslims–*just repulsive*.
Then, the idea that Muslims are peaceful towards each other is also a lie. The Sunni Taliban was waging a genocide against Shia Hazara in Afghanistan, men regularly rape small children, and women are stoned to death if they are the victims of rape or dare to fall in love.
And the idea that being immured in a Burqa is “liberation” is grotesque. I have no problem with men looking at people–nor do civilized men have a problem with women being able to see without having to look through filthy mesh.
So no–slavery is *not* freedom. Only a Taqiyya-spewing Mohammedan would make such a claim.
More:
TOP TIP: Ask for government sponsored madrassa to be build in each city asap.
………………………….
Why should civilized Infidels have to pay for their own destruction at the hands of these Muslim barbarians? Try again, creep.
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
Bravo Zulu as they say in the Navy!
You are the undisputed champion in total knockouts here at Jihad Watch!
If the appalling Bada Bhai comes back for more, he’s a glutton for punishment…
gravenimage says
Thank you so much, James.
john smith says
I totally agree with James, you are the undisputed champ, and while you have truth on your side you will never be defeated.
Bada Bhai says
GI: Infidel women not expected to know the truth about Islam–he expects us to be weak-minded and easy prey to Taqiyya.
The truth is that even Kaffir ( this is preferred) men cannot stand their women. They are gobby, lazy , don’t want many children and dont want to cook /clean either. Things took a turn for the worst when they were offered the vote In 1918 by the Representation of the People Act. Only mature women over the age of 30 who met a property qualification to vote were allowed …
why in the name of Allah SWT was this watered down? This has led to systemic breakdown of the family group in the West … stop thinking and start cooking!!!
GI: Whatever the problems of the West, they pale before the dysfunction and savagery of Islam.
Just laughable …did you see the way she glossed over the end of Western culture? It is Muslim culture that has existed over 1500 yeras and is the one of choice… civilized is just a word … it depends on who is saying it .
GI And the idea that being immured in a Burqa is “liberation” is grotesque.
this is just laughable … have you ever tried it ? Freedom is a cloth abaya…
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
The appalling Bada Bhai must be punchdrunk – he’s actually back for more punishment!
Somehow, he can’t seem to realize that he is *way* out of his league…
Infidel says
Bada Bhai, your name means ‘big brother’ in Urdu/Hindi, so why are you grouping yourself w/ GI as an infidel woman, when you are neither?? And looking at the gist of your post, you’re a throwback to Naseem, another Paki troll who used to ‘grace’ this website w/ his presence about 10 years ago: in fact, I suspect you 2 are one and the same!
gravenimage says
More from the sickening Bada Bhai:
GI: Infidel women not expected to know the truth about Islam–he expects us to be weak-minded and easy prey to Taqiyya.
The truth is that even Kaffir ( this is preferred) men cannot stand their women. They are gobby, lazy , don’t want many children and dont want to cook /clean either. Things took a turn for the worst when they were offered the vote In 1918 by the Representation of the People Act. Only mature women over the age of 30 who met a property qualification to vote were allowed …
……………………………..
By “gobby” he means that I know about the horrors of Islam and am not afraid to say so. Bad enough when it is an Infidel man–when it is someone Muslims consider fit only to be sex slaves it really gets their thobes in a bunch.
Then, I’m actually an excellent cook. I’m making a Szechwan dish today, made Ghoulash yesterday, and will be making an Israeli brunch on Saturday.
As for Infidel men not liking Infidel women, I myself have been with my husband for over thirty years now–we celebrated our 32nd anniversary this Tuesday. We actually have a loving and very respectful relationship–something Bada Bhai here is incapable of conceiving of.
And *of course* this Mohammedan considers equal rights for women to be a “turn for the worse”. This is just one of the reasons why Muslim societies are so backward, and their economies, save for unearned oil wealth, generally so hopeless.
More:
why in the name of Allah SWT was this watered down? This has led to systemic breakdown of the family group in the West … stop thinking and start cooking!!!
……………………………..
Some of us can cook and think at the same time. In fact, good cooking also requires thought. I can only imagine the ill-prepared swill Bada Bhai must be choking down.
Actually, even bad cooking requires *some* thought. So there are two possibilities here–either Bada Bhai’s women are lying to him saying that they do not think and he foolishly believes them, or else he just assumes that they are unable to think. In either case, just incredible stupidity on the part of this Mohammedan.
And the state of marriage is actually a mess in most of Dar-al-Islam, with men abandoning previous families and their children and taking up with subsequent wives, and being frequently incapable of supporting any of them.
More:
GI: Whatever the problems of the West, they pale before the dysfunction and savagery of Islam.
Just laughable …did you see the way she glossed over the end of Western culture? It is Muslim culture that has existed over 1500 yeras and is the one of choice… civilized is just a word … it depends on who is saying it .
……………………………..
Western culture has not ended–what claptrap, Even in crisis, the West is, as I have noted, vastly superior to the savagery of Islam.
And we see what Muslim culture looks like whithout either Infidels to enslave (as during Islam’s assorted “Golden Ages”) or with unearned oil wealth, as in the Gulf States–basically, violent, poverty-stricken hell holes like Afghanistan, Somalia, or Yemen. This is what pure, unalloyed Islam looks like, and it is *not* pretty.
More:
GI And the idea that being immured in a Burqa is “liberation” is grotesque.
this is just laughable … have you ever tried it ? Freedom is a cloth abaya…
……………………………..
No, Mohammedan–slavery is not freedom. I haven’t worn shackles, either–this doesn’t mean that I have to to know that this is not something free people want.
This thick-headed Mohamedan still doesn’t realize that his ham-fisted Taqiyya does not work here. Then, if he *really* believed that Abayas represented freedom, he would immure *himself* in one–but of course Muslim men don’t do this. They reserve it for the victims they claim have half their intellect, and enforce it through violence, imprisoning or murdering women who won’t veil.
But not here in the free world–free Infidel women reject this oppression.
john smith says
Bada Bhia, You just don’t get it, and I doubt that you ever will, you talk about truth yet everything you say is a lie. In fact everything in Islam is the antithesis to that of Christianity, it’s antichrist religion.
The Bible clearly warns us of islam in many passages, Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter…
Your so called god allah, even tells you who he is, “the greatest of all deceivers” which is satan in the bible.
gravenimage says
Lots of good replies here.
J. Morgan says
Some of us can cook and think at the same time. In fact, good cooking also requires thought. I can only imagine the ill-prepared swill Bada Bhai must be choking down.
LOL. Good one, that and more!
gravenimage says
Thank you, J. Morgan. 🙂
And thank you, John.
Steven says
I spent a year in Afghanistan. There is nothing there worth anything nor worth American lives and blood. The Russians figured it out and left after 10 years and have a demographic gap of men from all that died there. Why in hell are we still there? What were are soldiers killed and wounded for? What a waste.
Harryagain says
When the Russians were in Afghanistan, the USA was arming the mujahadeen just to cause mischief.
So once again, the USA is the cause of the problem.
Phil Copson says
When the Russians were in Afghanistan, the USA was arming the mujahadeen just to cause mischief.
So once again, the USA is the cause of the problem.
——————————————————————————————————————-
When the Nazis were in Europe, the USA was arming the British just to cause mischief.
So once again, the USA were the cause of the problem… Got it!
Simon says
The USA where TRADING with Nazi Germany…well companies where Standard Oil…Coca Cola etc
The USA ostensibly entered Afghanistan to fight terrorism …ended up combatting the Taliban local Muslim extremists who as far as I know don’t operate outside Afghanistan and Pakistan….
As a concerned outsider plz USA GTFO of Afghanistan deal with your internal problems then give your direct support to beleagured Christians in Nigeria…DRC…Cameroon…Iraq… Syria….China…Bangladesh…India etc….from predominantly bloodthirsty Muslims
don vito says
Simon, I believe that is why that little harry faced austrian started WWtwo, not enough coke, or maybe too much coke.
Infidel says
There was this campaign called the ‘Cold War’ where the US did what it could everywhere to roll back the spread of communism. In the case of Afghanistan, the US stopped being involved once the Soviets withdrew
Now, one can argue that it was short-sighted of them not to notice that they were enabling a greater ideological evil to replace the one that we were opposed to, but to ignore the geopolitical realities at the time about communism being a threat is a gross oversimplification. It’s analogous to the cancel culture these days trying to boycott movies and heroes of past eras b’cos of their depiction of things like racism and slavery that are today considered not woke, totally discounting the culture of the era
gravenimage says
Spot on, Infidel.
john smith says
+1
mtman2 says
The “Soviets” were committing genocide against hundreds of women and children at a time by burning them alive napalming them from helicoters…so Reagan sent the Afghani’s Stinger shoulder launched missiles which shut them down after enuff $10million dollar chopters got shot down with Russian mothers sons on board for no good reason to be in Afghanistan…!
don vito says
european?
Bikinis not Burkas says
Get out and enjoy watching them killing each other!
roberta says
I wish I were a good enough person to come up with some type of disagreement with your statement.
I cant mount a defense against perfection.
Get the popcorn.
Harryagain says
The present situation in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria arose entirely through the stupid intervention, mainly by the USA removing their leaders.
These countries were governed as they need to be governed by leaders who dealt with extremists
The idea that “democracy” can be imposed is ludicrous.
Now we have worldwide jihadi terrorism.
Thank you dumb Yanks. Now you are walking off from a situation created by your idiot policies and the rest of the world suffers.
Infidel says
So which leader of Afghanistan did the US remove? (Don’t say ‘Mullah Omar, since that was in response to 9/11)
The only thing you’re right about here is about democracy being imposed and regime change wars, both of which have failed spectacularly
gravenimage says
Notice that the appalling Harryagain puts democracy in sneer quotes…
Then, the idea that the Taliban inviting in Osama bin Laden was “dealing with extremists” is grimly laughable.
Further, the idea that the United States invented Jihad terror could not be more ludicrous.
Flairishlad says
Based on comments here, mostly from people who don’t even live in the US, we should never have gone into Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq. This, Osama and all his terrorist organization would still be alive and free to sow terrorism across the world. Yeah right /
What has gone wrong is the open borders Europe has which have brought in millions within their borders now advocating well established democracies turn into Sharia. Good luck with that! As already seen, they supplied thousands of recruits eventually to Syria
shortfattexan says
Please consider the following hypothetical situation:
Country Alpha is a complete $#@!-hole whose people are stuck in the middle ages because they want to be – anyone who attempts to modernize the place is generally killed, and when they can’t find anyone else to kill, they just start killing each other, because killing people is what they love to do. County Echo invades country Alpha and tries to impose order and bring the inhabitants into the modern era. Country Echo fails miserably – the people of country Alpha have absolutely no desire to join the modern era and flatly refuse to do so; the only result is that the residents of Alpha temporarily take time out from killing each other and start killing soldiers from country Echo. After several years of wasting their soldiers’ lives and almost bankrupting their nation, country Echo gives up and leaves – the people of Alpha happily go back to their main pastime of killing each other, and enjoying their medieval lifestyle.
About a century later country Romeo invades country Alpha and tries to impose order and bring the inhabitants into the modern era. Country Romeo fails miserably – the people of country Alpha have absolutely no desire to join the modern era and flatly refuse to do so; the only result is that the residents of Alpha temporarily take time out from killing each other and start killing soldiers from country Romeo. But this time there’s a bit of a difference in the form of country Uniform – country Uniform doesn’t like country Romeo, so country Uniform decides to help the people of country Alpha in their quest to kill as many country Romeo soldiers as possible. Of course, because that’s what the Alpha people were going to do anyway, so it’s debatable whether country Uniform’s efforts actually accomplished anything. After several years of wasting their soldiers’ lives and almost bankrupting their nation, country Romeo gives up and leaves – the people of Alpha happily go back to their main pastime of killing each other, and enjoying their medieval lifestyle.
Only a few short years later, country Uniform decides to invade country Alpha, impose order, and bring the inhabitants into the modern era. With the predictable result – country Uniform fails miserably. It seems the people of country Alpha still have absolutely no desire to join the modern era and still flatly refuse to do so; the only result is that the residents of Alpha temporarily take time out from killing each other and start killing soldiers from country Uniform. After several years of wasting their soldiers’ lives and almost bankrupting their nation, country Uniform is now considering giving up and leaving – when they do, the people of Alpha will happily go back to their main pastime of killing each other, and enjoying their medieval lifestyle.
The end result of all this is no result at – absolutely nothing has changed in country Alpha for the last thousand years. It is still a complete $#@!-hole – its people are still firmly stuck in the middle ages and they are happy to stay that way. They still spend most of their time killing each other because killing people is what they love to do.
Only now, the entire rest of the world blames country Uniform for the conditions in country Alpha (which have not changed in a thousand years), apparently believing that if Uniform had not invaded, Alpha would be a utopian paradise of modernism and progress.
Doesn’t make much sense, does it?
mtman2 says
Sadly so – especially sad those losing loved ones…!
mtman2 says
BIDEN is not the”PRESIDENT ELECT’…!
He’s pathetically merely media selected…!
Tony Naim says
American troops can be reduced in number, so long as there is a single US soldier left in Iraq and Afghanistan, that will be enough. But America can never withdraw from the rest the Islamic world, simply because the radical Islamic threat of political Islam is now living here in the homeland. 3000 mosques and counting still preach an ideology of discrimination, hatred and violence.
Until the political Islamic ideology of Dhimmitude remains standard teaching, all non Muslims are at risk.
Bikinis not Burkas says
+100%
don vito says
The basis for forever wars, “Until the political Islamic ideology of Dhimmitude remains standard teaching, all non Muslims are at risk.”
Infidel says
Happily, Muslim immigration to the US has fallen by 90% during this administration. Hopefully, it prevails in its election challenges, and then it quietly adds countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh to the travel ban list. That will bring it down sharply
gravenimage says
Tony, Afghanistan already put stoning back on the books. I don’t think our continuing to spend American blood and treasure will help.
As for our being there helping non-Muslims, there are vitually no non-Muslims in Afghanistan. Statistically, it is 100% Muslim.
Infidel says
Not just that, all non-Muslim Afghans have a right to get refuge in India, and most of the Sikhs there have taken it. There’s only one Jewish nutcase who insists on remaining in Kabul even though the rest of his family is in Israel, and nobody can save him from himself
Afghan will plunge back into the same old Pashtun vs Tajik vs Hazara vs Turkoman internecine wars that it had b/w 1989 and 1996: nothing will be able to stop that. We would do well to add Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh to our travel ban lists
gravenimage says
Agree on all points, Infidel. The handful of Infidels there should decamp for India or Israel (I keep worrying that that one foolish Jewish guy is going to turn up dead).
Walter Sieruk says
In Afghanistan, with Islam, women will never have equal rights with men.
It will only become worse for women after the Taliban regains in power in that country.
For example, on the morning of April 17, 2019 on FOX NEWS television the subject was covered about the idea of having “peace talks “with the Taliban. Viewing the history of the Taliban when they were in power in Afghanistan and the brutal ruthless misogyny they had engaged in was both vicious and malicious to the extreme.
Therefore the question, naturally, was brought up, now that peace talks” might soon begin, the Taliban was asked if they return to power in Afghanistan “ would they respect female rights ?”
To that question the Taliban replied “that when back in power they would respect.
Women‘s rights but only to the limits of the cultural of will they permit those rights of women.”
The point is that the “cultural of Afghanistan” is really the religion of Afghanistan, which is Islam.
Therefore the reality is that female rights, for both girls and woman, will not exist in a future Taliban controlled Islamic state of Afghanistan . For Islam is a religion of harsh and malice- filled misogyny.
As explained in the book, by Brigitte Gabriel, of the title THEY MUST BE STOPPED. Her book informs the readers on page 172. “Woman in Islam are considered unclean, deemed inferior even to dirt.”
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
tgusa says
Afghanistan. The longest undeclared war in American history. Ask yourselves just what do we have to show for it? In what way has it benefited America and Americans?
DC didn’t like their culture but muslims don’t like our culture. Considering that the USA wholly embraces multi-culturalism I’m not sure how the US government can validate what they have been trying to do over there.
Iraq was a Bush family obsession.
It all began as a result of bin laden and 9-11. While we were running around Afghanistan and Iraq bin laden was sipping lattes in Pakistan (DCs Ally).