Sunday. My segment is at the beginning of this video, starting around the three-minute mark.
Comments
gravenimagesays
Video: Robert Spencer and Anne Marie Waters in Conversation at For Britain’s 2020 Conference
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Excellent! Two heroes of the Counter-Jihad!
Infidelsays
Absolutely! Watched RS’s segment of the first half hour, and then Anne Marie’s commentary at the end
Was also glad to see pictures of Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens w/ Anne Marie at start of this. If we are looking beyond the Tories and other mainstream parties, it makes sense to bypass losers like both the Brexit Party and UKIP, and go directly to Anne Marie. Nigel Farage is a loser who only knows how to ride the Trump train, and little else
JohnTheRevelatorsays
Thanks for the recommendation, I jumped to the end to hear AMW’s closing points, all excellent. But until Anne get’s a large following in the UK it’ll be difficult for her to implement any of it. The elites are just fine with the way things are going and they don’t want anyone to overturn the apple cart.
I’ll watch the rest later when I have time. Both Anne and Robert are awesome and we need more people like them to step up and join this battle. We’re not just up against Islam but the establishment (mostly Leftists) who defends them.
Both the Leftist-Islamic alliance are driving the west towards Fascism, esp with their attack on free speech. Once we lose that then opponents of their totalitarian regime will be hunted down exactly as described in Orwell’s 1984.
Evil and stupidity are the norm (they go hand in hand), evil is easy and the path of least resistance. Freedom takes hard work to keep and maintain. If freedom was the default for humans, then the Left would’ve already united with us against Islam.
I was fortunate enough to grow up in a world blissfully unaware of Islam, never concerned about losing freedom, reminded all the time about how America stands for liberty for all. Since 9/11 happened the world took a dark turn and it’s only been getting worse over time.
The next 10-20 years will be crucial, should we fail we’ll enter a new Dark Ages with theocratic lunatics lording over us like they do right now in Iran and other Islamic nations. I hope the young adults are paying attention and get involved, I’ll be too old by then to do anything meaningful.
eduardo odraudesays
“Both the Leftist-Islamic alliance are driving the west towards Fascism, esp with their attack on free speech.”
Yes, and the rise of jihad terrorism in tandem with the rise of the Muslim population’s percentage of the total population pushes society toward a fascist security state simply in order to defend against the ever-increasing number of jihadist threats. In France, in response to the massive jihadist slaughters there in recent years, we have seen the French authorities starting to compromise some basic human rights because the security situation there is rather dire. When there is a constant security emergency because the number of security threats has become so large that the government cannot keep constant track of all the “radicalized” Muslims, then a lot of ordinary people start being increasingly willing to sacrifice basic rights and freedoms for the sake of greater security. One reason that Muslim-majority nations tend to be authoritarian is precisely the jihad threats in those nations. Of course that is only one reason. The primary reason Muslim-majority nations tend to be authoritarian or totalitarian is simply that Islam as a doctrine is authoritarian-totalitarian. Jihadism is just a facet of that totalitarianism.
LBsays
Dude… Being pictured with the likes of Charlie Kirk and Candice Owens only BRINGS DOWN Anne’s image. They are opportunistic frauds because Turning Point USA is a crooked organisation that poses as conservative but in reality is libertarian at best. Where is TPUSA during these obvious stolen elections? They are the biggest (or should I say, the most payed) “conservative” movement in the USA, so why aren’t they doing anything?
Word of advice: if you’re a true conservative you’ll stay clear of TPUSA and anyone associated with them. Just one look at their sponsors and backers should tell you all you need to know about what they really are after.
eduardo odraudesays
Candace Owens has been responsible for a lot black people reconsidering the Republican Party. There is almost nothing more unhealthy about American political culture, and nothing more deleterious to the African-American population, than the virtual monopoly the Dem Party holds on the black vote. Monopolies tend to serve their customers very poorly.
gravenimagesays
I don’t know Charlie KIrk, but what is your problem with Candace Owens?
LBsays
Candice Owens is a money-grubbing opportunist who uses “red pill” to harvest money from conservative suckers. Before she became a “conservative”, she ran a doxing platform called socialautopsy.com where anyone can dox their neighborhood “hate speech offenders” by posting their full name address and photo. But she jumped that ship immediately after seeing that money is better on the other side. During the early Trump presidency, conservatives were desperate for black conservatives and she fit the bill perfectly. Even PJW and Alex Jones were fooled by her until they realized their mistake. She can talk the talk (“black people need to get off democratic plantation” etc.) but she walks no walk. As long as the money keeps pouring in, she will say whatever you want as long as she doesn’t have to do anything. Basically, she’s a scam artist. Watch the video below where she gets exposed by a REAL conservative black woman.
As for Charlie Kirk (the leader of TPUSA), he is pretty much a liberal disguised as a conservative. For all his “intellectual” talk, he was outed as a fraud by a bunch of random guys in his Q&A sessions where he could not give a single consistent answer to any tough question.
Lastly, as I already mentioned, TPUSA is funded by leftist (mostly Jewish) lobbying groups who want to make the biggest, but toothless, “conservative” movement in the USA. And unfortunately, they succeeded.
Anyone interested in thwarting the Islamization of the West should join Anne Marie’s For Britain party and help to promote it via the Internet, etc. You don’t have to be a Brit to join.
john smithsays
Yes Gravenimage two heroes, I love Anne Marie she’s brilliant.
gravenimagesays
🙂
Brandosays
ANNE MARIE WATERS wrote ” Beyond Terror: Islam’s Slow Erosion of Western Democracy (2018),and has given a conference talk on:
“Islam, Free Speech, and the Self-Hatred of the “Lunatic Left” – Anne Marie Waters in Stockholm 2016″
I adore Anne Marie Waters. Her and her party is Britain’s greatest hope for freedom and sanity over islamic supremacy. I really enjoyed her book “Beyond Terror,” it’s an interesting an informative viewpoint and all JW fans should read it. I think what I love most is her profound sense of human decency and commonsense morality. And these virtues are reflected in her political platform and stated goals. I don’t like her merely because she’s fighting islamic jihad, I like her because she’s highly capable, intelligent, and fundamentally good.
What it means to have a free society is essentially that you can speak what you believe without fear of reprisal. Robert Spencer, human rights activist
I loved Spencer’s remarks on freedom of expression, he really captured the heart of the issue for me. So much revolves around the left’s attack on free speech to protect muslims from justifiable criticism for their bad actions and jihad intent. We should not have a “protected class” that is above criticism based on religion, race, or any other reason. But this is what the left has done, created a false narrative where BLM and muslims are morally superior in their grievances, while whites are evil racists who are not worthy of an opinion or factual expression. But spoiler alert, muslims are not victims of islamophobia any more than modern day blacks are victims of systemic racism. But facts are no impediment to the left’s “divide and conquer” tactic for achieving their multicultural, socialist agenda. It’s easy to see how islam will benefit from these socialists aspirations, as a core principle of socialism is freeing the “oppressed” from the oppressors. And the oppressors in today’s woke world are white folks who craftily hide their racism behind illegitimate concerns such as terrorism, national security, and freedom [Sarc off], that’s the false narrative the left promotes and will undoubtedly result in much death and suffering for islam. If islam is immune to rational discourse and fair minded criticism then sensible actions to protect ourselves become well-nigh impossible.
This is where muslims cheer.
I think Spencer’s final words are true and an important warning, “If we are not willing to take any risks to preserve freedom then we’ll certainly lose it.” I’m encouraged by the glimmer of sanity in France and Austria against islam of late. But sometimes it feels hopeless, islam is so deeply ingrained and widespread that overcoming its evils seems almost impossible. Freedom loving people should always fight and resist the islamic devil no matter what. But it saddens me deeply to see so many betray our nation by protecting islam as a peaceful religion, when the reality is one of bloodshed, tyranny, and suffering for its bigoted core teachings.
john smithsays
+1
eduardo odraudesays
There is still a LOT of hope for our side in this battle. Apostasy is growing in the Muslim population. One example of this trend is that some well-known Muslim scholars have started to admit online that the Qur’an is not perfectly preserved from the time of Muhammad — that there are “holes in the narrative” about perfect Qur’an preservation — and this is a key Islamic dogma on which everything else rests.
From the brilliant David Wood and his close friend, the late Nabeel Qureshi, here is a classic and highly amusing video on the preservation myth:
These guys do good work, and their sense of humor is killer. Did you hear that line of David’s, “So there’s already been a burn the koran day!” haha! too funny. I’ve already seen it but it was fun to watch it again.
You may be right, apostasy may be growing in islam, but sadly it may be gaining as many as it loses. Here’s a quote from FactTank,
Like Americans in many other religious groups, a substantial share of adults who were raised Muslim no longer identify as members of the faith. But, unlike some other faiths, Islam gains about as many converts as it loses.
Islam is supposed to be growing faster than any other religion according to PEW Research. I don’t know if that’s true, but it’s not improbable. I guess P.T. Barnum was right when he said, “There’s a sucker born every minute” (if he actually said it). Why any normal person would join a pseudo-religious cult with a bigoted and murderous god and prophet is beyond my comprehension. Maybe they aren’t normal, or maybe they’re angry, dumb, or morally insane, I’m not sure. I suggest, only half jokingly, that there be a warning on every koran printed,
“WARNING, THIS IDEOLOGY MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR MENTAL HEALTH AND SOCIETY. USE WITH CAUTION.”
The terroristic threats in the koran is pure hate speach, but we’re hateful bigots if we point that fact out. This is what the left’s PC culture has done, it has marginalized dissent they deem to be harmful to their protected classes which includes muslims. It doesn’t matter if one is factual, fair, and moral in their opinion, if muslims find it “offensive” then you best shut up. Conform or you are an enemy of the state, be silent or we will crush you into the ground. This is the kind of thinking the growing Socialist movement will bring, where we’re all expected to compromise individual liberties, like free speech, for the collective whole (even if it kills us). I don’t trust Socialism or its false promises, and I loathe islam with its doctrines of violence and murder against “unbelievers,” idolators, and apostates. It’s easy to see why the islamo-leftist alliance has arisen, they’re like two whores sucking the same c*ck of mutual benefaction. They both want to dismantle America and replace it with their own version of utopia, but the venereal disease will be a degradation of those values that have made America the bastion of freedom it has become.
revereridesagainsays
Thanks so much for posting this, Robert! I have it bookmarked for tomorrow as it is late here, and know it is going to be a very valuable hour and a half.
Brandosays
There is a Muslim teacher, JONATHAN BROWN, who in a video:
“Slavery in Islam | Dr. Jonathan Brown & Shaykh Dr. Yasir Qadhi”,
actually says JESUS did NOT Condemn Slavery.
MY DISAGREEMENT
There are several reasons but in one Jesus,actually puts himself in the POSITION of a SLAVE:
MATTHEW 20:25-28:
“But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them.
It will NOT be so among you.
But whoever would be GREAT among you must be your DOULOS ( Greek for SLAVE )
and whoever would be FIRST ( my note: the Messiah who be in the category of the FIRST of ALL)
among you must be your DOULOS / slave,
even as the SON of MAN ( Jesus) came not to be served but TO SERVE, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
THE CAPITAL OF THE ANTICHRIST ( Babylon the Great ) IS DESTROYED(among other reasons) BECAUSE OF SLAVERY
Revelation begins as:
REVELATION 1:2
“The REVELATION from JESUS CHRIST,
which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
He made it known by sending his angel to his SERVANT JOHN, who testifies to everything he saw—
that is, the word of God and the TESTIMONY of JESUS CHRIST.”
BABYLON HAS FALLEN!
REVELATION 18:1-13
“After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory.
And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying,
“BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN, is fallen,
and has become a DWELLING PLACE OF DEMONS,
a prison for EVERY FOUL SPIRIT and
a cage for EVERY UNCLEAN AND HATED BIRD! ……..
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her SINS, and lest you receive of her plagues.
For her SINS HAVE REACHED TO HEAVEN, and God has remembered her INIQUITIES………..
‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’
“And the MERCHANTS of the EARTH will weep and mourn over her, for NO ONE
BUYS their MERCHANDISE anymore:
MERCHANDISE of gold and silver,
precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple,
silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood,
every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of
most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble;
and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and
frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and
wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots,
and BODIES and SOULS of MEN ( my note: SLAVES). “
Brandosays
That is one of the Reasons why the Christian JOEL RICHARDSON thinks the Antichrist will be a Muslim
( the MAHDI or GUIDED ONE) who will LITERALLY
legalize SLAVERY. Like in ISIS (the ISLAMIC STATE of Syria and northern Irak)
overmansays
Excellent. Anne-Marie and Robert have a definite chemistry.
They’re right about everything. And islam is definitely creeping in through the back-door. Certainly in Britain where small changes are starting to erode the fabric of western culture. One place islam has surreptitiously crept in is through the introduction of multi-faith prayer rooms in British hospitals, colleges and the like.
l didn’t realize how widespread it was until l saw the video below.
The end of hospital chapels and other places of worship.
The multi-faith prayer room has now replaced the chapel in many places.
There is no mention of the majority atheists? or the hidden non believers prevalent but held through threat of ostracisation because they don’t want to upset their family’s and neighbours that they have grown up around. We need more consideration for the sanity of the non believers, and rather than strengthen the deluded, at the least support and encourage the atheist.
Infidelsays
Most atheists unfortunately tend to lean left, and are therefore too happy to make common cause w/ the allahu-akbar crowd. Not too many of those on the right are your Ayn Rand class of atheists, nor does one too often run into Raheem Kassam type of atheists
revereridesagainsays
As you note, not all of us atheists lean left, but we have the same problems with “Trump Derangement Syndrome” and pie-in-the-sky theories that a Biden-Harris regime will awaken more people to the misery caused by socialism, and somehow a Randian hero will appear to lead Americans back to freedom. They are not paying attention! Trump’s presidency was such a shock to the “woke” who expected to transition smoothly from the Muslim-Marxist Obama to Hillary Clinton and more of the same that it kicked the push for socialist domination into high gear — witness the weaponization of the covid virus as a fear tactic to compel obedience to political “authorities”. It will be much more difficult to disentangle ourselves from the new DeMarxocRat regime as it solidifies because they will be determined that something like Trump must never happen again.
It is not true to say that those with a socialist bias are also pro Islamic ideology. Millions are not, they are also lovers of free speech and would certainly not want to be in a society where Islamic ideology is prominent.
Agostino Armo Pellegrinisays
It is not true to say that those with a socialist bias are also pro Islamic ideology. Millions are not, they are also lovers of free speech and would certainly not want to be in a society where Islamic ideology is prominent.–Newsupplements
I think that’s true, there’s nothing inherently loving toward religion in socialism. In fact the opposite may be true in its most advanced form. Nevertheless, I contend an islamo-leftist alliance has developed, I sense it and see it in every day politics and the media. The left has taken islam under its wing, lying on its behalf and turning a blind eye to its violence and immoralities. You don’t hear right-wingers proclaiming islam is a peaceful religion hijacked by terrorists, that’s primarily the left doing that. And muslims have responded to this unwarranted kindness by becoming the victims they make them out to be, the majority of which vote for the left.
Wikipedia, for all its worth, has an “Islamo-Leftism” article that sums up the vanguard thinking on the issue fairly well. Here’s one quote,
Islamo-leftism is alliance of Islamists and leftists in opposition to Western values that can also be also referred to as the “red-green axis”. Silinsky characterizes the black-green alliance between Black Lives Matter and the Council on American–Islamic Relations as an example of Islamo-leftism.
And another,
Bruckner contends that Islamists, for their part, pretend to join the left in its opposition to racism, neocolonialism and globalization as a tactical and temporary means to achieve their true goal of imposing the “totalitarian theocracy” of Islamist government.
I realize that Wiki snippets can go only so far in arguing a complex issue, but I think it will suffice for my purposes. Maybe you’re a smart college guy or gal who can put me to shame with this, you sound intelligent. But this is where I’m at with this thing at the present moment. I agree with the above views because they are confirmed in my every day experience by what I see and read in real life. If you can prove me wrong then I would love to hear it. I’m not above admitting I’m wrong when presented with a good rebuttal.
Thanks. 🙂
Agostino Armo Pellegrinisays
newsupplements,
I found this short article that encapsulates my view on the matter. Here’s a snippet from the 1st par that I agree with,
The Western socialist left detests the United States and its capitalist economic structure, and seeks to facilitate that structure’s downfall by any means necessary — including the formation of whatever alliances will further that ultimate objective. One seemingly unlikely alliance that the socialist left has forged is its alliance with radical, fundamentalist Islam…
Is that a fair assessment? I’m not sure, you tell me. But it fits my current view of things perfectly. Here’s the article, it’s a 5 minute read,
It’s not about a socialist bias. It’s that most people on the Left are against established civilization, and out to wreck it. That’s why you have all those gender activists that claim that there are 63 genders or that people can flip genders at will, people who embrace toxic concepts like critical race theory, and a whole lot of other sociopathic causes. I’m not talking about vanilla socialists who simply want everybody to be equal (unattainable as that may be): I’m talking about a growing movement that wants to totally remodel society. In the process, they wanna destroy what exists, and in that goal, they share the same intermediate goal as the jihadists
Yeah, it’s likely that once they attain that, they’d then find themselves at loggerheads w/ the ummah over divvying up the spoils. However that doesn’t preclude the fact that most on the Left are happy to look the other way on the fact that Islam violates most of their sacred screeds
Agostino Armo Pellegrinisays
+1
gravenimagesays
With all respect, what Socialists are lovers of freedom of speech?
Agostino Armo Pellegrinisays
+1, the attached short article explains concisely why free speech will suffer under socialism, for anyone who cares.
Here’s a quote from the article that I agree with wholeheartedly,
As Heilbroner reluctantly acknowledged, socialist planning cannot co-exist with individual rights, an achievement of Western culture he wanted to preserve. Instead, under socialism, culture must produce “some form of commitment to the idea of a morally conscious collectivity.” This, however, was antagonistic to “bourgeois” culture, which “encourages and breeds the idea of the primary importance of the individual.” And bourgeois culture, devoted to the sovereignty of the individual, he wrote, “naturally asserts the rights of individuals to speak their minds freely, to act as they wish within reasonable grounds, to behave as John Stuart Mill preached in his treatise On Liberty.” A socialist culture, Heilbroner feared correctly, couldn’t abide this “celebration of individualism” because it is “directly opposed to the basic socialist commitment to a deliberately embraced collective moral goal.” [From REASON online, 2018]
gravenimage says
Video: Robert Spencer and Anne Marie Waters in Conversation at For Britain’s 2020 Conference
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Excellent! Two heroes of the Counter-Jihad!
Infidel says
Absolutely! Watched RS’s segment of the first half hour, and then Anne Marie’s commentary at the end
Was also glad to see pictures of Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens w/ Anne Marie at start of this. If we are looking beyond the Tories and other mainstream parties, it makes sense to bypass losers like both the Brexit Party and UKIP, and go directly to Anne Marie. Nigel Farage is a loser who only knows how to ride the Trump train, and little else
JohnTheRevelator says
Thanks for the recommendation, I jumped to the end to hear AMW’s closing points, all excellent. But until Anne get’s a large following in the UK it’ll be difficult for her to implement any of it. The elites are just fine with the way things are going and they don’t want anyone to overturn the apple cart.
I’ll watch the rest later when I have time. Both Anne and Robert are awesome and we need more people like them to step up and join this battle. We’re not just up against Islam but the establishment (mostly Leftists) who defends them.
Both the Leftist-Islamic alliance are driving the west towards Fascism, esp with their attack on free speech. Once we lose that then opponents of their totalitarian regime will be hunted down exactly as described in Orwell’s 1984.
Evil and stupidity are the norm (they go hand in hand), evil is easy and the path of least resistance. Freedom takes hard work to keep and maintain. If freedom was the default for humans, then the Left would’ve already united with us against Islam.
I was fortunate enough to grow up in a world blissfully unaware of Islam, never concerned about losing freedom, reminded all the time about how America stands for liberty for all. Since 9/11 happened the world took a dark turn and it’s only been getting worse over time.
The next 10-20 years will be crucial, should we fail we’ll enter a new Dark Ages with theocratic lunatics lording over us like they do right now in Iran and other Islamic nations. I hope the young adults are paying attention and get involved, I’ll be too old by then to do anything meaningful.
eduardo odraude says
“Both the Leftist-Islamic alliance are driving the west towards Fascism, esp with their attack on free speech.”
Yes, and the rise of jihad terrorism in tandem with the rise of the Muslim population’s percentage of the total population pushes society toward a fascist security state simply in order to defend against the ever-increasing number of jihadist threats. In France, in response to the massive jihadist slaughters there in recent years, we have seen the French authorities starting to compromise some basic human rights because the security situation there is rather dire. When there is a constant security emergency because the number of security threats has become so large that the government cannot keep constant track of all the “radicalized” Muslims, then a lot of ordinary people start being increasingly willing to sacrifice basic rights and freedoms for the sake of greater security. One reason that Muslim-majority nations tend to be authoritarian is precisely the jihad threats in those nations. Of course that is only one reason. The primary reason Muslim-majority nations tend to be authoritarian or totalitarian is simply that Islam as a doctrine is authoritarian-totalitarian. Jihadism is just a facet of that totalitarianism.
LB says
Dude… Being pictured with the likes of Charlie Kirk and Candice Owens only BRINGS DOWN Anne’s image. They are opportunistic frauds because Turning Point USA is a crooked organisation that poses as conservative but in reality is libertarian at best. Where is TPUSA during these obvious stolen elections? They are the biggest (or should I say, the most payed) “conservative” movement in the USA, so why aren’t they doing anything?
Word of advice: if you’re a true conservative you’ll stay clear of TPUSA and anyone associated with them. Just one look at their sponsors and backers should tell you all you need to know about what they really are after.
eduardo odraude says
Candace Owens has been responsible for a lot black people reconsidering the Republican Party. There is almost nothing more unhealthy about American political culture, and nothing more deleterious to the African-American population, than the virtual monopoly the Dem Party holds on the black vote. Monopolies tend to serve their customers very poorly.
gravenimage says
I don’t know Charlie KIrk, but what is your problem with Candace Owens?
LB says
Candice Owens is a money-grubbing opportunist who uses “red pill” to harvest money from conservative suckers. Before she became a “conservative”, she ran a doxing platform called socialautopsy.com where anyone can dox their neighborhood “hate speech offenders” by posting their full name address and photo. But she jumped that ship immediately after seeing that money is better on the other side. During the early Trump presidency, conservatives were desperate for black conservatives and she fit the bill perfectly. Even PJW and Alex Jones were fooled by her until they realized their mistake. She can talk the talk (“black people need to get off democratic plantation” etc.) but she walks no walk. As long as the money keeps pouring in, she will say whatever you want as long as she doesn’t have to do anything. Basically, she’s a scam artist. Watch the video below where she gets exposed by a REAL conservative black woman.
As for Charlie Kirk (the leader of TPUSA), he is pretty much a liberal disguised as a conservative. For all his “intellectual” talk, he was outed as a fraud by a bunch of random guys in his Q&A sessions where he could not give a single consistent answer to any tough question.
Lastly, as I already mentioned, TPUSA is funded by leftist (mostly Jewish) lobbying groups who want to make the biggest, but toothless, “conservative” movement in the USA. And unfortunately, they succeeded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRftGrshfTU
Savvy Kafir says
Anyone interested in thwarting the Islamization of the West should join Anne Marie’s For Britain party and help to promote it via the Internet, etc. You don’t have to be a Brit to join.
john smith says
Yes Gravenimage two heroes, I love Anne Marie she’s brilliant.
gravenimage says
🙂
Brando says
ANNE MARIE WATERS wrote ” Beyond Terror: Islam’s Slow Erosion of Western Democracy (2018),and has given a conference talk on:
“Islam, Free Speech, and the Self-Hatred of the “Lunatic Left” – Anne Marie Waters in Stockholm 2016″
(28 min)
https://youtu.be/XOs7YCwHrXA
gravenimage says
Thanks for that link, Brando.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
I adore Anne Marie Waters. Her and her party is Britain’s greatest hope for freedom and sanity over islamic supremacy. I really enjoyed her book “Beyond Terror,” it’s an interesting an informative viewpoint and all JW fans should read it. I think what I love most is her profound sense of human decency and commonsense morality. And these virtues are reflected in her political platform and stated goals. I don’t like her merely because she’s fighting islamic jihad, I like her because she’s highly capable, intelligent, and fundamentally good.
What it means to have a free society is essentially that you can speak what you believe without fear of reprisal. Robert Spencer, human rights activist
I loved Spencer’s remarks on freedom of expression, he really captured the heart of the issue for me. So much revolves around the left’s attack on free speech to protect muslims from justifiable criticism for their bad actions and jihad intent. We should not have a “protected class” that is above criticism based on religion, race, or any other reason. But this is what the left has done, created a false narrative where BLM and muslims are morally superior in their grievances, while whites are evil racists who are not worthy of an opinion or factual expression. But spoiler alert, muslims are not victims of islamophobia any more than modern day blacks are victims of systemic racism. But facts are no impediment to the left’s “divide and conquer” tactic for achieving their multicultural, socialist agenda. It’s easy to see how islam will benefit from these socialists aspirations, as a core principle of socialism is freeing the “oppressed” from the oppressors. And the oppressors in today’s woke world are white folks who craftily hide their racism behind illegitimate concerns such as terrorism, national security, and freedom [Sarc off], that’s the false narrative the left promotes and will undoubtedly result in much death and suffering for islam. If islam is immune to rational discourse and fair minded criticism then sensible actions to protect ourselves become well-nigh impossible.
This is where muslims cheer.
I think Spencer’s final words are true and an important warning, “If we are not willing to take any risks to preserve freedom then we’ll certainly lose it.” I’m encouraged by the glimmer of sanity in France and Austria against islam of late. But sometimes it feels hopeless, islam is so deeply ingrained and widespread that overcoming its evils seems almost impossible. Freedom loving people should always fight and resist the islamic devil no matter what. But it saddens me deeply to see so many betray our nation by protecting islam as a peaceful religion, when the reality is one of bloodshed, tyranny, and suffering for its bigoted core teachings.
john smith says
+1
eduardo odraude says
There is still a LOT of hope for our side in this battle. Apostasy is growing in the Muslim population. One example of this trend is that some well-known Muslim scholars have started to admit online that the Qur’an is not perfectly preserved from the time of Muhammad — that there are “holes in the narrative” about perfect Qur’an preservation — and this is a key Islamic dogma on which everything else rests.
From the brilliant David Wood and his close friend, the late Nabeel Qureshi, here is a classic and highly amusing video on the preservation myth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91AM7665cbo
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
These guys do good work, and their sense of humor is killer. Did you hear that line of David’s, “So there’s already been a burn the koran day!” haha! too funny. I’ve already seen it but it was fun to watch it again.
You may be right, apostasy may be growing in islam, but sadly it may be gaining as many as it loses. Here’s a quote from FactTank,
Like Americans in many other religious groups, a substantial share of adults who were raised Muslim no longer identify as members of the faith. But, unlike some other faiths, Islam gains about as many converts as it loses.
Islam is supposed to be growing faster than any other religion according to PEW Research. I don’t know if that’s true, but it’s not improbable. I guess P.T. Barnum was right when he said, “There’s a sucker born every minute” (if he actually said it). Why any normal person would join a pseudo-religious cult with a bigoted and murderous god and prophet is beyond my comprehension. Maybe they aren’t normal, or maybe they’re angry, dumb, or morally insane, I’m not sure. I suggest, only half jokingly, that there be a warning on every koran printed,
“WARNING, THIS IDEOLOGY MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR MENTAL HEALTH AND SOCIETY. USE WITH CAUTION.”
The terroristic threats in the koran is pure hate speach, but we’re hateful bigots if we point that fact out. This is what the left’s PC culture has done, it has marginalized dissent they deem to be harmful to their protected classes which includes muslims. It doesn’t matter if one is factual, fair, and moral in their opinion, if muslims find it “offensive” then you best shut up. Conform or you are an enemy of the state, be silent or we will crush you into the ground. This is the kind of thinking the growing Socialist movement will bring, where we’re all expected to compromise individual liberties, like free speech, for the collective whole (even if it kills us). I don’t trust Socialism or its false promises, and I loathe islam with its doctrines of violence and murder against “unbelievers,” idolators, and apostates. It’s easy to see why the islamo-leftist alliance has arisen, they’re like two whores sucking the same c*ck of mutual benefaction. They both want to dismantle America and replace it with their own version of utopia, but the venereal disease will be a degradation of those values that have made America the bastion of freedom it has become.
revereridesagain says
Thanks so much for posting this, Robert! I have it bookmarked for tomorrow as it is late here, and know it is going to be a very valuable hour and a half.
Brando says
There is a Muslim teacher, JONATHAN BROWN, who in a video:
“Slavery in Islam | Dr. Jonathan Brown & Shaykh Dr. Yasir Qadhi”,
actually says JESUS did NOT Condemn Slavery.
MY DISAGREEMENT
There are several reasons but in one Jesus,actually puts himself in the POSITION of a SLAVE:
MATTHEW 20:25-28:
“But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them.
It will NOT be so among you.
But whoever would be GREAT among you must be your DOULOS ( Greek for SLAVE )
and whoever would be FIRST ( my note: the Messiah who be in the category of the FIRST of ALL)
among you must be your DOULOS / slave,
even as the SON of MAN ( Jesus) came not to be served but TO SERVE, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
THE CAPITAL OF THE ANTICHRIST ( Babylon the Great ) IS DESTROYED(among other reasons) BECAUSE OF SLAVERY
Revelation begins as:
REVELATION 1:2
“The REVELATION from JESUS CHRIST,
which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
He made it known by sending his angel to his SERVANT JOHN, who testifies to everything he saw—
that is, the word of God and the TESTIMONY of JESUS CHRIST.”
BABYLON HAS FALLEN!
REVELATION 18:1-13
“After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory.
And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying,
“BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN, is fallen,
and has become a DWELLING PLACE OF DEMONS,
a prison for EVERY FOUL SPIRIT and
a cage for EVERY UNCLEAN AND HATED BIRD! ……..
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her SINS, and lest you receive of her plagues.
For her SINS HAVE REACHED TO HEAVEN, and God has remembered her INIQUITIES………..
‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’
“And the MERCHANTS of the EARTH will weep and mourn over her, for NO ONE
BUYS their MERCHANDISE anymore:
MERCHANDISE of gold and silver,
precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple,
silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood,
every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of
most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble;
and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and
frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and
wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots,
and BODIES and SOULS of MEN ( my note: SLAVES). “
Brando says
That is one of the Reasons why the Christian JOEL RICHARDSON thinks the Antichrist will be a Muslim
( the MAHDI or GUIDED ONE) who will LITERALLY
legalize SLAVERY. Like in ISIS (the ISLAMIC STATE of Syria and northern Irak)
overman says
Excellent. Anne-Marie and Robert have a definite chemistry.
They’re right about everything. And islam is definitely creeping in through the back-door. Certainly in Britain where small changes are starting to erode the fabric of western culture. One place islam has surreptitiously crept in is through the introduction of multi-faith prayer rooms in British hospitals, colleges and the like.
l didn’t realize how widespread it was until l saw the video below.
The end of hospital chapels and other places of worship.
The multi-faith prayer room has now replaced the chapel in many places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFyb0HhHSD0
newsupplements says
There is no mention of the majority atheists? or the hidden non believers prevalent but held through threat of ostracisation because they don’t want to upset their family’s and neighbours that they have grown up around. We need more consideration for the sanity of the non believers, and rather than strengthen the deluded, at the least support and encourage the atheist.
Infidel says
Most atheists unfortunately tend to lean left, and are therefore too happy to make common cause w/ the allahu-akbar crowd. Not too many of those on the right are your Ayn Rand class of atheists, nor does one too often run into Raheem Kassam type of atheists
revereridesagain says
As you note, not all of us atheists lean left, but we have the same problems with “Trump Derangement Syndrome” and pie-in-the-sky theories that a Biden-Harris regime will awaken more people to the misery caused by socialism, and somehow a Randian hero will appear to lead Americans back to freedom. They are not paying attention! Trump’s presidency was such a shock to the “woke” who expected to transition smoothly from the Muslim-Marxist Obama to Hillary Clinton and more of the same that it kicked the push for socialist domination into high gear — witness the weaponization of the covid virus as a fear tactic to compel obedience to political “authorities”. It will be much more difficult to disentangle ourselves from the new DeMarxocRat regime as it solidifies because they will be determined that something like Trump must never happen again.
newsupplements says
It is not true to say that those with a socialist bias are also pro Islamic ideology. Millions are not, they are also lovers of free speech and would certainly not want to be in a society where Islamic ideology is prominent.
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
It is not true to say that those with a socialist bias are also pro Islamic ideology. Millions are not, they are also lovers of free speech and would certainly not want to be in a society where Islamic ideology is prominent.–Newsupplements
I think that’s true, there’s nothing inherently loving toward religion in socialism. In fact the opposite may be true in its most advanced form. Nevertheless, I contend an islamo-leftist alliance has developed, I sense it and see it in every day politics and the media. The left has taken islam under its wing, lying on its behalf and turning a blind eye to its violence and immoralities. You don’t hear right-wingers proclaiming islam is a peaceful religion hijacked by terrorists, that’s primarily the left doing that. And muslims have responded to this unwarranted kindness by becoming the victims they make them out to be, the majority of which vote for the left.
Wikipedia, for all its worth, has an “Islamo-Leftism” article that sums up the vanguard thinking on the issue fairly well. Here’s one quote,
Islamo-leftism is alliance of Islamists and leftists in opposition to Western values that can also be also referred to as the “red-green axis”. Silinsky characterizes the black-green alliance between Black Lives Matter and the Council on American–Islamic Relations as an example of Islamo-leftism.
And another,
Bruckner contends that Islamists, for their part, pretend to join the left in its opposition to racism, neocolonialism and globalization as a tactical and temporary means to achieve their true goal of imposing the “totalitarian theocracy” of Islamist government.
I realize that Wiki snippets can go only so far in arguing a complex issue, but I think it will suffice for my purposes. Maybe you’re a smart college guy or gal who can put me to shame with this, you sound intelligent. But this is where I’m at with this thing at the present moment. I agree with the above views because they are confirmed in my every day experience by what I see and read in real life. If you can prove me wrong then I would love to hear it. I’m not above admitting I’m wrong when presented with a good rebuttal.
Thanks. 🙂
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
newsupplements,
I found this short article that encapsulates my view on the matter. Here’s a snippet from the 1st par that I agree with,
The Western socialist left detests the United States and its capitalist economic structure, and seeks to facilitate that structure’s downfall by any means necessary — including the formation of whatever alliances will further that ultimate objective. One seemingly unlikely alliance that the socialist left has forged is its alliance with radical, fundamentalist Islam…
Is that a fair assessment? I’m not sure, you tell me. But it fits my current view of things perfectly. Here’s the article, it’s a 5 minute read,
http://www.discoverthenetworks.com/viewSubCategory.asp?id=291
Infidel says
It’s not about a socialist bias. It’s that most people on the Left are against established civilization, and out to wreck it. That’s why you have all those gender activists that claim that there are 63 genders or that people can flip genders at will, people who embrace toxic concepts like critical race theory, and a whole lot of other sociopathic causes. I’m not talking about vanilla socialists who simply want everybody to be equal (unattainable as that may be): I’m talking about a growing movement that wants to totally remodel society. In the process, they wanna destroy what exists, and in that goal, they share the same intermediate goal as the jihadists
Yeah, it’s likely that once they attain that, they’d then find themselves at loggerheads w/ the ummah over divvying up the spoils. However that doesn’t preclude the fact that most on the Left are happy to look the other way on the fact that Islam violates most of their sacred screeds
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
+1
gravenimage says
With all respect, what Socialists are lovers of freedom of speech?
Agostino Armo Pellegrini says
+1, the attached short article explains concisely why free speech will suffer under socialism, for anyone who cares.
Here’s a quote from the article that I agree with wholeheartedly,
As Heilbroner reluctantly acknowledged, socialist planning cannot co-exist with individual rights, an achievement of Western culture he wanted to preserve. Instead, under socialism, culture must produce “some form of commitment to the idea of a morally conscious collectivity.” This, however, was antagonistic to “bourgeois” culture, which “encourages and breeds the idea of the primary importance of the individual.” And bourgeois culture, devoted to the sovereignty of the individual, he wrote, “naturally asserts the rights of individuals to speak their minds freely, to act as they wish within reasonable grounds, to behave as John Stuart Mill preached in his treatise On Liberty.” A socialist culture, Heilbroner feared correctly, couldn’t abide this “celebration of individualism” because it is “directly opposed to the basic socialist commitment to a deliberately embraced collective moral goal.” [From REASON online, 2018]
https://reason.com/2018/10/18/civil-liberties-and-socialism-dont-mix/