It was the teachings of Islamic law regarding jihad warfare against unbelievers that led the Taliban to participate in plotting and organizing the 9/11 attacks. This agreement only underscores the futility of American involvement in Afghanistan. If both sides accept the motivating ideology behind the jihad attacks on the US, what are we fighting for?
“Afghan Gov’t, Taliban Agree Islamic Law to Guide Peace Talks,” by Kathy Gannon, Associated Press, December 12, 2020:
ISLAMABAD (AP) — Afghan government negotiators and the Taliban have agreed to have Islamic law and teachings guide them in peace talks now underway in Qatar, according to a document obtained Thursday.
The document details a 21-point list of rules and procedures for the negotiations and sheds light on what the talks, which are taking place behind closed doors, actually look like. The warring sides signed the document last week in Doha, Qatar, where the U.S.-brokered talks began in September and where the Taliban have for years maintained a political office….
Despite resistance by Afghan government negotiators, the U.S.-Taliban deal made it into the introduction part of the 21-point document on the rules and procedures for the Doha talks, after stating that Islamic law would be the foundation for the negotiations.
“Afghanistan’s honor and dignity lies in its Islamic identity and national unity,” the document says. “It’s only through the implementation of Islamic justice that Afghanistan can protect its sovereignty and avoid direct and indirect interference.”…
James says
Of course, because this has worked out in the past? Maybe they should try a different law and different negotiations, they may get a better result.
Steven Grigsby says
The question is not what are we fighting for? The question what in God’s name have American Military Members been killed, wound, and maimed for !!!!!!!!!!!!! We have been there for 20 years now. Heck the Soviets were smart enough to get out after 10 years. I was there for a year. There is NOTHING of any redeeming value in Afghanistan and I don’t give a hoot what some General, Admiral, State Dept, etc moron says.
revereridesagain says
+1
Infidel says
Thank you for your service!
Yeah, the only ‘value’ that Afghanistan had was negative i.e. we didn’t want our enemies to own it, b’cos that gave them a base where to plan jihad attacks. Solution to that would be to level the place. Yeah, yeah, I know human rights blah blah blah but the alternative isn’t to send our own people there for eternity w/o changing or solving anything
If we had occupied it the way we had occupied Japan in 1945 and altered that country from a Muslim to a multi-religious country, where say Christianity, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism and Sikhism could all have gained a major role at the expense of islam, it would have made sense. But what we did – helping them write a constitution that did exactly what the Taliban wanted – totally defeated the purpose of occupying it after toppling the Taliban regime
Another good solution would have been to carve up that country – give Iran Herat, Balkh and Hazara areas of the country, give Tajikistan the northern part of the country Kunduz and everything upto Kabul, which would be a border city, and give Pakistan all the Pashtun areas of the country, and abolish the Afghan state altogether.
gravenimage says
Infidel, I’m not sure that carving Afghanistan up and giving chunks of it to our enemies would represent an improvement.
jim says
Years ago before the wars, I was in Kabul to visit friends there. There was then much positive to see and do in the capital city. But at the time, a decline was approaching. A tour guide who brought people through the Near East told me about seeing people being beaten in the sreets openly instead of in a back alley. I guess there is not much chance to restore the old, good country, which had a king then. It is better not to intervene where one is not wanted. Even if one can imagine, or reimagine it being better as in the past.
Frank Anderson says
I take no pleasure in observing that Afghanistan is the origin of a major portion of the world’s supply of opium, and has been and will remain so until forced to stop.
Imagine if all the murder, deaths from overdoses and all other related crimes were concentrated in one place over one week instead of scattered worldwide over a year. Would that be enough to trigger a real war instead of a public relations campaign against the drug trade? Afghanistan is home base for not one but 2 certain dangers to free society, 1) basic, standard, orthodox islam (NOTHING radical) and 2) huge and growing quantities of a drug weapon that kills millions, and makes funding all activities intended to destroy our society easy.
It should be reduced to a barren desert, to remain that way until freedom and liberty are safe everywhere. A problem cannot be solved by letting it continue to grow.
Brando says
The TALIBAN control 55% of the country,it is a Lost Cause.And to think that BEFORE, Afghanistan was a BUDDHIST country like TIBET.
1. 50% speak FARSI, but UNLIKE IRANIANS,they still believe in Islam,while according to a 2020 poll of 45,000 Iranians…..60% of Iranians are EX-Muslims.
2. There was a region there called KAFIRISTAN ( land of the INFIDELS ) which has 100,000 people.
3.In 1895-1896 the ruler/emir of Afghanistan ABDUR RAHMAN KHAN led a jihad against it and Forced them to become Muslim, and it was renamed NURISTAN ( land of LIGHT).
4.The existence of that region was also the setting for RUDYARD KIPLING’s novel “The man who would be KING”(1888)
about two British adventurers who become KINGS of Kafiristan
Infidel says
Afghanistan’s ‘Iranians’ are Tajiks – similar to their brethren in Tajikistan. They are sunnis rather than shi’a, and have no ties to Iran.
Nuristan is populated by a people called the Kalash (descendants of the Macedonian invaders that accompanied Alexander the Great), who also exist in North Pakistan. Except that in Afghanistan, they were forcibly islamized, while in Pakistan, most of them remain Hindu. (Unlike Indian Hindus, they follow the same Vedic era Hinduism that existed at the time of Alexander the Great)
Hopefully, the bulk of them manage to hightail it to India
Brando says
Also in Afghanistan the NATIONAL HAT is called PAKOL,
it is round and flat,it is a COPY of the hat worn by the Macedonian soldiers of ALEX’s army, which in Macedonian CAUSIA / KAUSIA.
THE GOAT GATHERING
It is the name of the NATIONAL SPORT of Afghanistan,or BUZKASHI ( goat gathering,in Farsi).
It is men on HORSES and there is a DEAD GOAT or SHEEP( but No Head,it has been CHopped Off).
I would say FARSI is, after French, the Most Beautiful Language in he world, very,very musical,it sounds like they are Singing.
A VERY INTERESTING IRANIAN MOVIE
One can also hear how Musical it is,the film is HEARTBROKEN ( with English subtitles)
It is about two university students:the GIRL is an EX-MUSLIM
( the film does not say that Explicitely but it is OBVIOUS) and the the naughty daughter of a secular wealthy family
The GUY is Very Religious
and they have to write a dissertation together. Here is the film:
https://youtu.be/SyTJYA3ab20
PRCS says
Per Afghanistan’s Constitution (concocted and ratified during the Karzai administration), Islam is THE national religion and — of course — no laws may be enacted which do not conform to Islamic law.
Infidel says
Yeah, there’s a reason the remaining non-Muslims there have made a beeline for India or other countries
somehistory says
When one begins with a lie, such as this one: “honor and dignity lies in its Islamic identity “…there is no end that will be a good one.
There is absolutely no “honor” and absolutely no “dignity” in islam, so there can be none in an “islamic identity.”
“There is no peace, my God has said, for the wicked one.” (multiple verses from the Hebrew Scriptures of the Bible)
The “afghan government” and the “taliban” both want to rule over the other group, as well as all of the people of that country. They are basing their deal on evil and there can be no place to go with that. On whatever they “agree,” the people who must live under the end result will still be subjected to tyranny.
And a great deal of money will still be made in the poppy fields, while the drug is sold and sent to the U.S. and other places where people indulge themselves. And the moslims get great pleasure in knowing this fact.
Crusades Were Right says
My “Afghanistan Policy”:
* Don’t go there
* Don’t let anyone from there come here
Any questions?
John from NY says
+1
Infidel says
* Kick out the ones from there already here
* Treat Afghanistan and Pakistan as one country, b’cos the jihadists freely move b/w the 2 like you’d move b/w your bedroom and your bathroom
Krishna says
islamic law to deal with peace ?then it’s all deceit and violence
Infidel says
Thank the Bush era morons for not pulling out in January 2002 but instead remaining in Afghanistan to rebuild that country as a democratic society!
Trump has done the right thing by pulling out. Now let Afghanistan devolve however it does, and the next time we detect a Jihadist plot in either Afghanistan or Pakistan similar to 9/11, drop a J-DAM on Kabul or Islamabad (where the government sits) and send them to their 72 or however many virgins
pennant8 says
When the DHS [Department of Homeland Security] or as some wag calls it, the Department of Homeland Surrender, was created right after 9/11, representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood were invited to have some input as to how Islam fits into the picture. Their guidance was that Islam doesn’t fit into the picture at all. That became the official stance, and it has been obstinately clung to ever since.
No Muzzies Here says
Looks like Islam is a political system that includes a mandatory religion. It’s obvious to me. Why do so many people refuse to see the truth?
sidney penny says
Islamic law was the foundation of the Afghanistan constitution.
sidney penny says
“It’s only through the implementation of Islamic justice that Afghanistan can protect its sovereignty and avoid direct and indirect interference.”…
Have we seen the implementation of Islamic justice in Afghanistan or elsewhere ?
frank Day says
Excellent news. The Afghanis have finally agreed on the rules, so now the rest of us can leave them to it. because the one rule we can be sure they’ consistently stick to is:- Kill the referee, and every other kaffir that gets mugged into their incessant domestic squabbles.
OLD GUY says
The religion of peace at it again. Under islamic rules murder, rape and child molestation will be the rule of the day. What a shitty form of government islamic rule is proven to be.
gravenimage says
Afghan government and Taliban agree that Islamic law will be the foundation for negotiations
…………..
Of course they do. We have never been able to civilize this Islamic hell hole. Afghanistan has *stoning* back on the books.
William Snow Hume says
Truth be told, the Lion’s Share of the planning was done far away from Afghanistan, and most of it in Hamburg, Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_cell The Taliban did not participate in the planning of the 9/11 attacks, and it is a disputed issue, as to whether they were even aware that such planning was going on:
BIN LADIN basically “conned” the Taliban leadership. The US intelligence community has known for a long time that BIN LADIN never really professed fealty to the Taliban: https://ctc.usma.edu/the-facade-of-allegiance-bin-ladins-dubious-pledge-to-mullah-omar/ Just a few years ago, when MULLAH OMAR’s death was acknowledged, it then came out that OBL also hid his intentions to plan attacks on the West while he was a guest in Afghanistan.
A Brookings Institution publication says that MULLAH OMAR *did* know, based on statements by Pakistan’s former President PERVEZ MUSHARRAF, yet the same chapter acknowledges that KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED, an undisputed insider, said that MULLAH OMAR did not know about the planning until the very end, when it was too late. https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/thesearchforalqaeda_chapter.pdf The question ought to be: Why would a non-insider like MUSHARRAF have more authoritative knowledge than an insider like KSM? It’s not like President MUSHARRAF disclosed his so-called “sources”.
The 9/11 attacks might have been “master-planned” just about anywhere in the world where BIN LADIN could pick his delegates for the plan. Now, tell me again where BIN LADIN was still living, when he supposedly was killed by Navy SEALs? Why didn’t we invade and “pacify” that country in 2011? WSH
gravenimage says
The implication that the Taliban would have opposed Jihad terror is pretty iffy at best. Rooting out Osama bin Laden’s hiding place was not a bad thing. Our mistake was in staying and trying to civilize an Islamic hell hole like Afghanistan.
Walter Sieruk says
In Afghanistan, with Islam, women will never have equal rights with men.
It will only become worse for women after the Taliban regains in power in that country.
For example, on the morning of April 17, 2019 on FOX NEWS television the subject was covered about the idea of having “peace talks “with the Taliban. Viewing the history of the Taliban when they were in power in Afghanistan and the brutal ruthless misogyny they had engaged in was both vicious and malicious to the extreme.
Therefore the question, naturally, was brought up, now that peace talks” might soon begin, the Taliban was asked if they return to power in Afghanistan “ would they respect female rights ?”
To that question the Taliban replied “that when back in power they would respect.
Women‘s rights but only to the limits of the cultural of will they permit those rights of women.”
The point is that the “cultural of Afghanistan” is really the religion of Afghanistan, which is Islam.
Therefore the reality is that female rights, for both girls and woman, will not exist in a future Taliban controlled Islamic state of Afghanistan . For Islam is a religion of harsh and malice- filled misogyny.
As explained in the book, by Brigitte Gabriel, of the title THEY MUST BE STOPPED. Her book informs the readers on page 172. “Woman in Islam are considered unclean, deemed inferior even to dirt.”
Walter Sieruk says
Any “peace” agreement with Taliban is a “Deal with devil “ in other words a “fools deal.” The very idea of having actual, real, genuine productive “peace talks” with those brutal ,cruel misogynistic Taliban characters is an absurd and fool idea of folly.
One thing is for sure, even if even attempting to engage on “peace talks” with Taliban it would be best not to be naïve about them and take at face value anything that they might say or promise. To just “give trust away” to those Islamic characters who compose the Taliban would be foolishness and folly. For when trying to have genuine negotiations with the them ,it need to be kept in mind that there is an Islamic doctrine called TAQIYYA This is the Muslim dogma the lying and deception are good things to do, if and as long as the lies and deceit are done for the advancement of Islam.
For the deceptive and disingenuous Taliban have proven many times over, by their own actions, that they are a ruthless, brutal vicious gang of thugs with no honor. So in any kind of “dialogue” the Taliban will most likely speak the truth only when it happened to suite them. The rest of the time they will be speaking half-truths and also be outright lying. Likewise, the Taliban will keep their word in anything that they may happen to promise only and long as in fits into their agenda and no longer. So before engaging of the foolishness of attempting to have genuine “talks for a peace alliance” with Taliban, the officials of the current government would do well to heed the wisdom of Sun Tzu found in THE ART OF WAR. For it instructs “We cannot enter into an alliance neighboring’s princes, until we are acquainted with their designs.” To put this in a more updated and current way, it may be said that “We cannot enter into a peace alliance with the Taliban until we know the actual intentions and real schemes.”
Furthermore, if attempting to engage in “peace talks” with Taliban it would be very naïve to take at face value anything that the Taliban might promise. For example, the Taliban might say that they will respect the rights of women and girls, for they ,many times, employ the Islamic doctrine of Taqiyya In those so called “negotiations” with officials of the West .Taaqyia ids the Islamic teaching that lying and deceit
So it may be nothing but foolishness and folly to even try to have worthwhile constructive peace discussions with lying brutal cruel men who make up the Taliban . For having a genuine practical peace compromise with Taliban might be impossible
As the former US President, Franklin D. Roosevelt, had well-spoken when he said “There has never been – there never can be – successful compromise between good and evil.”