His Fraudulency the President-select should be required to disclose all pertinent information about his ties with the Chinese leadership, and assure the American people that he will not be a puppet of the People’s Republic. But for that we would need some actual journalists.
The Chinese repression of the Uighurs involves monstrous human rights abuses, perpetrated under the guise of fighting against jihad terrorism. In reality, resistance to jihad terrorism should be pursued in defense of humane values; if the counterterror measures are worse than the terror, then the counterterror activity is pointless except as an endeavor to exalt one gang of thugs over another.
There is no indication that either President Biden or President Harris will exert any pressure upon China to end this, or to do anything at all that it does not wish to do.
“Uighur Leader: We’re ‘Quite Worried’ About What a Biden Administration Would Let China Get Away With,” by Erin Coates, Western Journal, December 2, 2020:
The prime minister of East Turkistan’s government-in-exile expressed concern about what a possible Biden administration might mean for the Uighur people in the northwest Chinese province of Xinjiang.
“We’re actually quite worried,” Salih Hudayar told The Federalist in a Tuesday interview.
In particular, Hudayar expressed concern over presumptive President-elect Joe Biden’s pick of Tony Blinken for secretary of state, especially considering Blinken’s prior remarks praising China’s efforts to fight so-called extremism.
“At that time, Antony Blinken stated that China was doing the right thing and that the U.S. supported China’s efforts to fight against terrorism,” Hudayar said. “And this worries us.”
“If this is going to be the next secretary of state … there’s going to be a lot of backpedaling and this is what we fear.”…
The communist regime has since perpetrated abuses against the Uighur in the Xinjiang autonomous region, allegedly persecuting the Muslim minority with forced sterilization and slave labor, according to The Federalist….
“We fear that it’s just going to give China the green light to continue its brutal campaign of colonization, genocide and occupation in East Turkistan,” Hudayar said.
“We hope that’s not the case. We hope that they uphold their promises that they made during their campaign by recognizing it as a genocide and we hope that they take stronger actions against China.”…

Naildriver says
I could see the Chinese cut a deal with the Islamic world, as Pakistan, to assist their invasive efforts and takeovers of Western countries, flooding them with Muslim immigrants.
The Chinese perhaps see Islam as an unstoppable trend in the West, and are fine with it, as it impoverishes its’ competitors.
The Chinese know Islam renders a country weak and disorganized.
China is putting its hopes in the S. China Sea for oil, to be free of any Muslim influence upon itself.
I do not share Robert’s sympathy with the Uighur; Islam is the enemy, whatever China might be.
China’s suppression of Islam hasn’t caused any problems for it, even with Muslim countries as Turkey or Pakistan; because there is probably some deal.
And then, I would hope our politicians are not so stupid as to accept the immigration of millions of Uighers from China — their cries for such — and China willingness to export them, seems a good likelyhood.
Infidel says
I oppose Muslims everywhere, but there is one thing about the Uyghur persecution that makes it different from anywhere else.
It would be one thing if China wanted to rid the region of Muslims and force them to flee to other, preferably Muslim, countries. That’s precisely what Burma has done: it’s counter-attacked the ‘Rohingya’ separatists forcing them to flee to Bangladesh, and to the Middle East. Once that’s done, Burma isn’t trying to get them back: they’re pretty happy to be rid of them. Oh, and one more thing: this is something that all political sides in Burma are on the same page – be it their military, Ahn San Syu Kyi or their most recent opposition leader Dr Thet. Whatever their other differences, they’re telling the rest of the world, in one voice, that those ‘Rohingya’ Muslims don’t belong in Burma, b’cos they don’t accept that they are Burmese, or that Burmese law and culture apply to them
China, otoh, does not want its Muslims to flee: they wanna enslave them, use them as lab rats, and do all sorts of things w/ them that is against all international law. For starters, Beijing has an agreement w/ most Muslim governments to extradite Uyghur and other Chinese Muslim refugees back to China. Normally, the Uyghurs would be almost perfectly at home in Kyrgyzstan, or better yet, Kazakhstan (which is oil rich and where real estate wouldn’t be an issue, since they are underpopulated), both of which are Turkic Muslim countries. However, both those countries have agreements w/ China to deport Uyghurs. As a result, Uyghurs have to flee all the way to countries that have had the guts to oppose China, or get deported back to China.
This is unlike what other countries that have issues w/ their Muslim populations do. If any Muslims in Israel has problems w/ it and want to leave for, say, Jordan or Kuwait, the Israelis don’t try to stop them. If Indian Muslims try to leave for the Gulf or anywhere else, India doesn’t try to stop them. These are countries that are not ‘islamophobic’ but accused of it anyway, while China skates free.
And the things that China does do to the Uyghurs – put them in concentration camps, force them to accommodate members of the PLA in their homes and sleep w/ their womenfolk, administer forced sterilizations and abortions to Uyghurs, human-traffic in Uyghur women to solve the female shortage issue as China finds itself facing the same aging crisis as western countries and Japan, sell their organs, force Uyghurs to work during the pandemic when everybody else was forced to shelter-in-place so that work didn’t stop, sell the hair of Uyghur women in world markets, force Uyghurs into indoctrination camps, force them into Nike sweatshops so that they can work for wages too low for even Han Chinese, and so on
If China was really about fighting jihad terror, then for starters, they wouldn’t have had alliances w/ countries like Pakistan, Iran, Malaysia, Turkey. Also, rather than ask Muslim countries to extradite them, they’d have asked those countries to take them but make sure that they didn’t join jihadist groups. There is no reason for Uyghurs to move to the West: they should be able to settle in their neighborhood, since they were a part of the same Mughalistan region that their Kazakh and Kyrgyz neighbors were.
The worst thing that Beijing is doing is that at the end of all this, they would have given the Muslims of the world a soap-box that dwarfs what the Jews have courtesy the holocaust. It will be far tougher to combat jihad when all this is over b’cos the world will see what was done to them, and that ‘never-again’ will be used to supercharge a worldwide jihad against ‘islamophobia’
Naildriver says
Another, ‘wer’e innocent victims!’ but this time Muslims comparing themselves to the Jews –and now gonna get sympathy and help from conservatives and Republicans! As if Obama and help to tens of thousands of these mistreated Syrian Muslims wasn’t a disaster.
Totally not worth the USA risking war or even Nike shoes for these Muslim people. I can’t see Biden’s non-doing a big issue — only thing worse would be that he did make a big issue out of it!
And let’s not do a Afghanistani thing with these loser Muslims — to fight the big bad Chinese; as the Mujihadeen fought the Soviet empire with our stingers.
The USA certainly has itself to blame for the strength of the Chinese communist party, and that started with Nixon — and greedy traitors from the military industrial complex who are likely all for keeping ties with our Muslims ‘friends’ too — who never said a word to help those murdered in Tienemin Square. These are swamp people.
I have no love for communism or the 1984 style world the Chinese seem bent on having; but making life miserable for Uighers is just desserts for Islam’s believers; as they always have made themselves enemy to any host country. It wouldn’t make Islam any less a monstrous menace that needs eradication.
Infidel says
I agree w/ you that we should not take Uyghur people in: it’s disturbing enough that their government in exile is based in DC. However, my point was that we should not support China in its treatment of Uyghurs the way we should support an Israel, an India or a Burma in their treatment of Muslims
And like I mentioned to Gravenimage below, the Uyghurs should factor in the support they got from the OIC and the ummah, and mass apostatize to something else – one of their pre-Islamic religions, or just plain Buddhism or Christianity if they want our support
LB says
Infidel,
If the Uighurs really are getting support for the OIC, you can be damn sure that they will most certainly NOT abandon islam. On the contrary, they will become even more zealous. Expunging them to different countries (to Chinese Turkic neighbors that you mentioned for example) will only become a detriment to the rest of the world because they will then be able to “indulge” in islam as much as they want (and we both know what that means).
On one hand I agree with you and Robert Spencer that the violations of their basic human rights by the Han Chinese is egregious in the extreme; no people should be treated like that. But on the other hand you absolutely CANNOT let them loose into the civilized world because we have no way of knowing what sort of damage they can do if left unchecked. And again, you can be sure that there is no way in hell that the Uighurs would convert to some other religion because they would have certainly done so by now for it saves them from the Chinese brutality. Not to mention OIC support on top of their strong faith.
The Uighur question is not easy to answer, but the solution is certainly NOT to “rescue” them from the Chinese and leave them to their own devices. The CCP is certainly evil, but like Naildriver, I find a new group (that numbers in millions, not a small number) of unchecked muslims showing up in the world to be more evil.
Infidel says
LB, the Uyghurs are not getting any support from the OIC – that’s what I was alluding to above. Indeed, their case is bizarre, in that everything that Muslim apologists accuse people in the west of doing, Israel, India, Burma of doing – China is actually guilty of doing that. On top of that, Uyghurs can’t even get refuge in Muslim countries: all Muslim countries have deals w/ Beijing to extradite them back to China if they seek refuge
I was suggesting that the Uyghurs factor that attitude in while determining their religious identity
gravenimage says
Uighur leader: ‘We’re actually quite worried’ about what Biden might let China get away with
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These seem to be the only Muslims not thrilled with the ascension of Joe Biden to the White House…
Infidel says
Honestly, given the disgraceful way the Uyghurs have been treated by the rest of the Muslim world, they ought to apostatize to one of the other religions they used to follow – Shamanism, Nestorian Christianity or Buddhism. It’s not like they’re being allowed into Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan and then allowed to follow islam
ELI says
“I do not share Robert’s sympathy with the Uighur; Islam is the enemy, whatever China might be.”
Of course, hatred of Islam makes it much easier to accept genocide of Muslims. This is why posters on here have no empathy for Uyghurs. Their behavior is irrelevant, they are Muslims are therefore guilty. How can one have empathy towards a Muslim?
These jihadwatchers are not evil people, they have been brought to this point by a process which is at work on this and other sites. This process is not unique to the anti-Muslim movement. In fact, a similar process is at play within fringes of the Muslim community.
In this example. the Uyghurs are in their ancestral home. It is being colonized in front of their eyes and any resistance is deemed “terrorism”. If this were to happen to Americans, they would be organising armed attacks against the occupier and it would be fully supported on here. No one would dream of calling it “terrorism”.
Naildriver says
You say ‘hatred of Islam makes it easier to accept genocide of Muslims’. Look you silly fool, for starters there is no genocide going on.
As far as I can see, the evidence only suggests the Chinese are re-educating these people and suppressing Islam.
The culture of Islam isn’t, as you suggest, sacrosanct, or even worth a shit; so, Uighur violence to protect it, in my view, is terrorism. They just don’t have a good enough system; as I believe we do in the USA.
These people chose the wrong system to adorn their ‘ancestral home’, and it fine by me the Chinese are telling them so; just as Stalin told the East Germans Hitler wasn’t to be their hero any longer.
Stalin was a monster with a hellish system but that hardly vindicated the Nazi. You seem to have bought the propaganda Islam is merely a religion – like any other and equivalency is the name of the game. You also fail to understand the extremes to which people will struggle to maintain lies.
You sound like a young person; naive and sympathetic to those who suffer — without enough knowledge to see just how things work or what happens when people choose evil systems.
You speak of Islam as if it could be ‘nice’ if people stopped bothering it — but you haven’t understood Islam obviously, and spout of a anti Muslim movement, as if all the info clearing Islam is already established. That’s not the case.
underbed cat says
China I beleive shut down mosques and banned the Quran, then as I read instructed the Uighurs to speak Chinese not Arabic and set up the situation of re-educating Chinese to be Chinese after experiencing a few Islamic Chinese jihadist van explosion and stabbings and a separation in thoughts from China culture which now is only a State of the world according to Islam land needed to be conquer with sharia laws and adapt the we are one world view, but China views itself as a country with it’s own system, borders and culture and history. With the productions of most items American buy daily, if they ever looked at a label or researched where produced. It took over American production and grew prosperous in a time where leaders gave away our production due to high costs, unions control and less attention to details for cash for the politicians unions to pay unemployment, health care, and first Japan and then China grew posperous developed an enormous military and almost seemed like a capilalist economy not a threat any more. Who knew our antibiotics and medications were produced in china. I didn’t know a medication I used to take that was changed to a slightly cheaper, but felt different was made i n China, complained to the pharmacist, who said no difference, until I looked up the company who made it since I felt worse and the company with an different name was in China, many years ago now I learn most were there.
I agree with Naildriver….I didn’t think China’s attempt to take back the chinese culture were doing a genocide on chinese muslims but a halt to a thought process of conquest attempting to re-educate to stop the process of dawah and jihad war on non beleivers of Islam to bring sharia law, but they are in America ahead of schedule and may have voted in great numbers for their candidate most aligned in thought….just that what the candidate didn’t know the threat and it has been here educating our youth starting with universities the perfect presentation to protect a peaceful lie and work into the U.S. as muslim citizen in government for power except where ever they land in time there are insidious dissent, riots protests, fires with unseen influence attacks to win political control for conquest in my opinion.
Ignorance and denial about the movement in the U.S. is dangerous.
Infidel says
Eli, before you condemn people here, get the guts to go out and condemn every Muslim entity in the world that has looked the other way on this issue! Starting w/ the OIC, then every Muslim country and organization. The only support that the Uyghurs have gotten has been from western countries, but not one Muslim country has spoken out for them
Like I said, I’ll take anything the Muslims say about ‘islamophobia’ seriously after they start confronting Beijing w/ even a fraction of the outrage that they have for France, Israel, India, Burma or other non-Muslim countries