James Comey just said the same thing. Remember in Animal Farm how Boxer the horse struggled to remember, as the pigs implemented their totalitarian rule, how things had once been different? It’s all-important to remember, and these vicious and mendacious propagandists such as Comey and Bratton, and many others, are doing their level best to make sure we forget. Remember: it wasn’t “far-right extremists” who rioted all summer in Portland, Seattle, Kenosha, Wisconsin, New York, Atlanta, Washington, DC, and numerous other cities that I have already forgotten. It was Leftists: Antifa and Black Lives Matter, who have also been found to have been among those storming the Capitol that is being used as a Reichstag Fire pretext to shut down dissent from the Leftist agenda. Snyder talks about “violent white supremacists, neo-Nazis, sovereign citizens, militia movements,” but what he really means are ordinary citizens who oppose the dominant political philosophy. Lies such as what Bratton is spreading here are in service of solidifying the hegemony of that philosophy.
“Domestic terrorism has superseded the threat of international terrorism, warns ex-NYC police commissioner,” by Emily DeCiccio, CNBC, January 15, 2021:
Former New York City police commissioner Bill Bratton warned CNBC’s “The News with Shepard Smith” that domestic terrorism has superseded the threat of international terrorism in the United States.
“For the last 20 years our biggest concern was international terrorism — ISIS, Al Qaeda,” Bratton said in a Friday evening interview. “Now it’s here and it’s us, and it’s the citizens of the United States, some of whom are rebelling against everything we thought we believed in for the last 300 to 400 years.”
Former Homeland Security Department counterterrorism official, Nate Snyder, echoed Bratton’s sentiments on “The News with Shepard Smith.”
“If you’re talking about the lethality of the threat, domestic terrorism — meaning violent white supremacists, neo-Nazis, sovereign citizens, militia movements — have been the most lethal threat in these past ten years compared to Al Qaeda and ISIS- inspired threats,” Snyder said….
Wellington says
What rot. On a truth barometer in any impartial analysis of threats, left-wing extremists like Antifa and BLM and Islamic extremists are a far greater threat to America’s future than any right-wing extremists are. One knows this or should know this. Bratton doesn’t (or he does but is lying).
Additionally, to further support my contention above, I would rhetorically ask how many right-wing extremists are powerful in the academic, media, Big Tech and political worlds? And yet left-wing extremists are all over the place in these four spheres—and with “Muslim creep” also occurring in these four areas.
Projection on display again, accompanied, as projection usually is, by a shitload of ignorance. No doubt in my book.
gravenimage says
+1
James Lincoln says
Seconded.
Keith O says
Wellington, From what we have observed from over here, the various “law enforcement” agencies in the US are competing for the same cash pot and recognition for keeping America safe.
If they have to create crimes or threats then they will do so to gain prestige, only have to look at some of the “terrorists” the FBI groomed to arrest them.
This is one more attempt at a smoke and mirrors scam to screw the American people to gain total control.
Wellington says
Pretty much, Keith O. Pretty much.
Infidel says
Keith, I also think that some Police chiefs are trying to do what much of corporate America in general are trying, and Big Tech CEOs in particular, have succeeded in doing – convince America’s woke demographic that they’re on their side. Essentially, trying to get them to get off ‘defund the police’ in exchange for walking all over people on the right
In the long term, this won’t end well for these appeasers. Just look at Amazon, and the opposition they faced from AOC, despite owning the Washington Post and despite bankrolling so many Leftist causes. Sooner or later, the Left will also turn on Google, Twitter, Facebook and Apple in the same way as the owner who killed the goose that laid those golden eggs. As well as cops who are trying to save their skin by turning on those who’ve supported them, but whom they have been mistreating during their lockdown excesses
At that point, one will see a curious set of coalitions – the mainstream Right colluding w/ that Left against Corporate America, while the corporate Left is left supported only by the establishment Republicans who want to avoid getting defunded
mortimer says
Psychological projection, indeed. Once they remove 9/11 from the statistics, they can claim other groups are ‘more lethal’, because American security forces have done such a spectacular job of watching and arresting jihadists before they succeeded in harming Americans.
I imagine that Bill Bratton is not well-informed on jihad or he would not make such uninformed remarks. Jihad has accounted for 270 million deaths since Mohammed began his raids. One person has been killed by jihadists every 20 minutes since the time of Mohammed.
Eleanor says
They know full well it’s total lies – unfortunately the Capitol protest has given them carte blanche to really stick the knife into the Right, and there will be some on both sides who believe it.
Rod says
“It was Leftists: Antifa and Black Lives Matter, who have also been found to have been among those storming the Capitol”
The most disgusting aspect of this is that they were wearing MAGA caps, Proud Boy shirts, sporting white supremacist logos, carrying Confederate and Trump flags, and shouting “Stop the Steal”.
These unprincipled people will stop at nothing in their campaign to blacken the reputations of us honest god-fearing insurrectionists.
Rod says
The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States
CSIS Briefs
June 17, 2020
Excerpt:
“First, right-wing attacks and plots accounted for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994. In particular, they made up a large percentage of incidents in the 1990s and 2010s. Second, the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown substantially during the past six years. In 2019, for example, right-wing extremists perpetrated nearly two-thirds of the terrorist attacks and plots in the United States, and they committed over 90 percent of the attacks and plots between January 1 and May 8, 2020. Third, although religious extremists were responsible for the most fatalities because of the 9/11 attacks, right-wing perpetrators were responsible for more than half of all annual fatalities in 14 of the 21 years during which fatal attacks occurred”.
CSIS Briefs are produced by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a private, tax-exempt institution focusing on international public policy issues.
gravenimage says
Of course, “Rod” does not cite any cases. But then, how could he?
Wellington says
Seconded. Rod speaks in generalities, very stupid and uninformed ones.
Rod says
Cases, statistics, graphs, examples can be found in abundance in the cited reference folks. You had better play safe and not look.
Whereas, in the Spencer article, we find, well, let’s look carefully, er…., nothing whatever of substance.
So are you convinced of the truth of Spencer’s unsupported opinions over the views of ex-director of the FBI, ex-Commissioner of the NYPD, an extensive study citing sources and statistics, and any number of other sources freely available online?
Well, of course you are. It takes only a modicum of dedicated bigotry, and this is where we find it.
I have to point out the poignancy of Spencer’s reference to Orwell. Your hero seems to be genuinely unaware that Orwell is ridiculing people like him.
gravenimage says
Actually, most of the cases they cite for a supposed threat in the US were not in the US at all, but incidents in New Zealand and Russia:
https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states
mortimer says
+2 ‘Rod’ quotes no references for the ‘abundance’ he talks about. He has not studied the history of jihad. Following is an ‘abundance’ of the deaths caused by jihad:
270 million lives have been snuffed out by Islam:
-120 million black Africans killed by the Islamic slave trade
-80 million Hindus killed in the Hindu genocides committed by Muslim invaders
-60 million Christians killed in jihads
-10 million Buddhists killed in jihads
-29,800 deadly jihad attacks have occurred since 9-11 … 10 – 50 deaths per day
-Islam has killed an average of 19,300 people every year since Mohammed
-Islam has killed an average of 500 people every day since Mohammed.
-Islam has killed an average of 20 people every hour and killed 1 every three minutes since Mohammed. Do the math, Rod.
A religion that kills one person every three minutes is the definition of a ‘Death Cult’.
Rod says
Greetings Pinochio. You haven’t read the article, or more probably haven’t understood it. Russia is mentioned once, re the 1917 Revolution. NZ is mentioned once, re the thinking and motivation of right wing fanatics like those who prompted the CSIS investigation.
Facts and truth are damned inconvenient, aren’t they? That’s why Spencer avoids them so studiously.
Actually.
Rod says
mortimer, I am questioning the truth of Spencer’s vague and unsupported claims about right-wing violence, or its absence.
Your feverish obsession with jihad is entirely irrelevant to this topic, and has nothing to do with Spencer’s dubious claims, or the facts which I believe disprove them.
However, your claim that “A religion that kills one person every three minutes is the definition of a ‘Death Cult’” seems a bit wild.
I’ve done the math. 19300 per year means 53 per day, or about one every 27 minutes.
American gun murders come along at the rate of about one every 36 minutes. There are of course many non-firearm murders too. Is this another Death Cult? Certainly looks like an ongoing disaster, by any standards.
But I’d really like to know where your statistics come from for the 1400 years since Mohammed. People here are alleging that I don’t have any evidence, perhaps because they haven’t bothered to examine it. Where’s yours?
don vito says
rod fraud
gravenimage says
Of course I read the article–why else would I have not just cited it, but actually linked to it?
The article mentions Las Vegas and Richmond as possible “far right” incidents.
But the final investigation into the terrible Las Vegas shootings come to this conclusion:
“What we have been able to answer are the questions of who, what, when, where and how… what we have not been able to definitively answer is why Stephen Paddock committed this act.”
The attacker in Richmond really did claim he was a leader of the Ku Klux Klan (although this has not to my knowledge been confirmed). No one was killed.
Then it cites the El Paso Walmart shooting–this really was an attack by a white supremacist, and horrifyingly left 23 victims dead. It mentions John Earnest, the Poway Synagog shooter, an antisemite who killed one.
It then cites things that happened not in the US, but in Norway, New Zealand, and Uktaine.
Then, it mentions an Anarchist plot, the propagation of conspiracy theories on-line, and unspecific on-line incitements to violence.
So we have a sum total of three cases–none of this indicates that the right wing presents the biggest threat to the United States.
latha says
“right wing attacks” vs “religious extremists”. Why don’t you name them, dhimmi ? “Islamic terrorists” is the name. We know where you come from .
Lauren Hermann says
+10
Jack Holan says
Agreed. For Rod’s plea for evidence, I’m certain that @JihadWatchRS can provide this for you. Rod I think you’re one of those people setting up an imperial strawman with conditions that evidence not withstanding, nothing will satisfy your preconceived conclusion. Right, old boy
Rod says
Jack, I’m not pleading for evidence – pay attention, I’m inviting you to look at the evidence available. There is a lot of it. (none provided by Spencer, strangely).
I don’t know what an imperial strawman is. I don’t have a preconceived conclusion. If anybody can provide evidence to support Spencer’s views, I’m ready to assess it. Have you seen it? I haven’t. Puzzling.
PS If you think I’m an ‘imperial’ spokesperson, think again.
Jack Holan says
Rod, do you think Bill Bratton was respected by the rank and file during his tenue? We know fact 1 that Red Wilhelm Bill de Blasio made several comments during Ferguson and walked with protesters screaming shoot the police. Guess what? NYCPD started to become targets of opportunity. The two officers sitting in their squad car eating lunch shot in the head and murdered, the detective arriving at a crime scene shot dead, POs who were targets of the hatchet killer. Did Red Bill de Blasio condemn the murders? He kept mentioning that he had a son that looked like the “Ferguson” victim. He didn’t attend the funerals of the officers, meet with the families at their homes, or eulogize them. Big Bill Bratton got the treatment he deserved for supporting the Mayor. The other ranking officers turned their back to him in church! He didn’t go to any funerals. What kind of leader is this?
On the subject at hand terrorism Bill Bratton is the one responsible for removing surveillance of Mosques with undercover police or informants. He stopped profiling of Muslims for terrorism even though they weren’t cooperating with the FBI in matters involving terrorism. It’s very telling that he favored a political Agenda rather than a police strategy to protect all NYC citizens
Carol the 1st says
I still think Nanpelosion is treating Trump just like Snowball.
Rod says
The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States
CSIS Briefs
June 17, 2020
“Between 1994 and 2020, there were 893 terrorist attacks and plots in the United States. Overall, right-wing terrorists perpetrated the majority—57 percent—of all attacks and plots during this period, compared to 25 percent committed by left-wing terrorists, 15 percent by religious terrorists, 3 percent by ethnonationalists, and 0.7 percent by terrorists with other motives.”
Of course these might be lies, and the supporting discussion invented. And the ex NYPD Commissioner with years of hands on experience in this area might be lying, and the ex head of the FBI, who had responsibility in this area for many years might be lying, and all the other online data on the topic might be inventions or lies. (But why would so many people be telling so many lies? Doesn’t it seem a little unlikely?) AND Robert Spencer, historian, with no apparent experience in the area, and no cited support data, and an established reputation for distortion of facts, might be correct.
The only remaining question is, why on earth you would believe this? Wouldn’t that prove you were gullible fools, unable to weigh evidence?
Rod says
mortimer, to amuse myself, i’ve been doing a bit more mathematics. It appears that over the six years after August 1939, the non-Muslim peoples of planet earth killed each other at the rate of about 24 per minute. That’s one every 2.5 seconds. Note please – non-Muslims!
It does make me wonder why some of you are so convinced that you are god’s own people, with claim to such high levels of morality and civilisation, and that certain others must be held in contempt.
Further fun with figures, proving that we aren’t so much better than others, can be had with the sad statistics from the US attempts to bring their brand of civilisation to Vietnam.
And I fear the figures from the USA in the 1860s might be equally distressing.
Note, all these horrible events were when non-Muslims set about slaughtering each other. Death Cults?
So, what’s all this nonsense about Muslims being the most wicked people you could ever imagine?
gravenimage says
Hitler admired Islam, and modeled the Holocaust on the Armenian Genocide. Of course, “Rod” doesn’t want anyone here to know this.
Rod says
Is this the “Irrelevance” segment of the discussion? You seem to enjoy such diversions.
Has anybody seen the evidence for Spencer’s improbable claims?
Gone missing. As usual.
SKA says
Dear Rod:
Learn to read: https://www.amazon.com/Islam-Nazi-Germanys-David-Motadel/dp/0674724607
gravenimage says
And I had missed the bit where “Rod” excoriates the Americans for ending slavery. This *hardly* surprises–he has consistently refused to condemn slavery in Islam.
And if my replying to “Rod” is irrelevant. then it is an irrelvancy of his own making.
Rod says
god you people are slow.
Do I have to point out that Hitler was a non-Muslim? So were the other Germans, and the people who killed millions of Germans and others in years of savage war. So were the people who dropped the atom bombs, and the people who fought so desperately for the right to keep slaves, and their fathers and grandfathers who bought, sold and ’employed’ slaves for 200 years. All non-Muslims. non-Muslims have an appalling history of violence.
Stop pretending that it can be ignored, and stop claiming to be more virtuous than others. It’s laughable.
gravenimage says
I said that Hitler admired Islam, which is amply chronicled. His pretending that this means I am saying he was Muslim makes no sense whatsoever. “Rod” is consistently dishonest.
Then, it is Infidels in the West who *abolished* slavery. The only place slavery remains today is in Dar-al-Islam. As I have noted many times, “Rod” refuses to condemn Islamic slavery, and he does not do so here. Instead, he pretends that it does not exist.
latha says
Hussein is your name, right ? Come out of your fake name. You have not given any proof for your claims whereas Spencer gives only the news by giving the source. You want us to believe that all what you say is true & “he” is the one who is concocting lies ? lol. You must have read the Koran. You must be familiar with what it says about giving not only divine sanctions to torturing non muslims, beheading their own brethren when they don’t fall in line, castrating, abducting, killing, raping etc of those who do not confirm. Now do not tell me this is a distorted version fabricated by RS. lol. That the religion preaches “peace”. You have not condemned a single Islamic terror activity whether it was in Spain, Germany, France, UK, US or India & the list pretty much covers all the countries including the Islamic Theocracies where they “allow” immigrants without any background checks like how Joe Biden & kamala Harris elected by the likes of you are going to do from the doomsday Jan 20. That tells a lot about “you” Hussein. Bye for now.
Rod says
god you people are slow.
Do I have to point out that Hitler was a non-Muslim? So were the other Germans, and the people who killed millions of Germans and others in years of savage war. So were the people who dropped the atom bombs, and the people who fought so desperately for the right to keep slaves, and their fathers and grandfathers who bought, sold and ’employed’ slaves for 200 years. All non-Muslims. non-Muslims have an appalling history of violence.
Stop pretending that it can be ignored, and stop claiming to be more virtuous than others. It’s laughable.
gravenimage says
“Rod” does not believe that people who oppose child “marriage”, piracy, rape, slavery, and mass slaughter are more virtuous than those who sacralize it. Just appalling.
wth009 says
I think it’s because this country has allowed in our borders hateful Anti-Americans which are called ‘American citizens.’ And let’s not forget the sleazy democrats and their terrorist allies.
gravenimage says
This is also true. Certainly, some of the Jihad terrorists in Europe are those who have inveigled citizenship in their host nations.
Carol the 1st says
It’s a dark world when push comes to shove – and the last thing Dems are is idealists. Unlike them, Trump and good Republicans are reminiscent of Orwell’s Boxer – slogging along with dogged trust in the good intentions and rationality of their fellow man and refusing to give up the ghost because we know and accept little other than work, straightforwardness, decency, and struggle.
Take the issue of Mexico and THE WALL. Any sane person who cares for their country and knows its limitations will demand A WALL – but there are numerous cartels and the payroll of the CIA is drugs as well so we can unfortunately see left and right how hypocritical and destructive this is to Americans. Perhaps another rivalling money source might now be child porn and trafficking? The elites look very compromised and the tech giants are getting wealthy allowing truly evil crud to pass through their airwaves and yet decent people are very averse to taking a strong look at this issue (Sam Harris is one man who dared look the monster in the face and he’s put out two videos). It seems Trump was gaining admirers as he sought to seriously attack this trade – likely this was another reason the “elites” had to chase our precious Snowball under the fence. Democrats stole an election – their mask has totally slipped so why pretend anymore? Just get Biden to lie and yell sternly at his supposed mutual admiration society. They fancy that calling THE STEAL “protecting “democracy” will fool someone somewhere – or at least freeze out nuisance Americans.
The above speculation has been fuelled by listening to DEA agent Hector Berrellez. In the last 15 minutes or so he describes his personal thoughts on national security and the Wall etc.:
Mexico DEA Narc Reveals CIA’s Greatest Coverup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb8vzztBISE&t=2928s
somehistory says
The cia and cocaine, .I believe it. thanks for the link.
mgoldberg says
I think if I remember, that they added the 9/11 homicidists, of islamic, arabic origin, to the ‘white’ category of attackers this past year. As was said ‘There are lies, dammed lies, and then… there are statistics’
gravenimage says
True, mgoldberg.
“US terror database classifies 9/11 jihadis as ‘White/Caucasian non-Hispanic,’ 9/11 victims as killed by whites”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/11/us-terror-database-classifies-9-11-jihadis-as-white-caucasian-non-hispanic-9-11-victims-as-killed-by-whites
Kepha says
mgoldberg and gavenimage: This is because official America only recognizes the color codes of white, black (“African-American”, even if you’re just off the plane from Ghana and only have a green card), native American, Asian-Pacific (embracing both Koreans and people from Papua New Guinea, and Native American. You just don’t fit if you cross color lines in your makeup. And my guess is that Muhammad Atta and his crew had not been excommunicated from the white race at the time. Come to think of it, you’re white even if you are a very dark Tamil from Sri Lanka.
Considering that the Muslim terrorists are probably reliably anti-Communist, it might work to say that all those Muslim terrorists from Morocco to Bangladesh are “white right-wingers”.
Believe it or not, Uncle Kepha had quite a run-in with his older son’s middle school principal about racial classification (we are a racially mixed family).
gravenimage says
Kepha, I’m aware of this, having worked for the Census in 2000.
My point is that there are people who have used government statistics to imply that 9/11 has nothing to do with Jihad terror, but was instead about “white supremacy”, which is clearly absurd.
Rod says
Not true, mgoldberg. This matter is addressed specifically in the study cited above.
gravenimage says
Note that “Rod” is incapable of citing anything I have supposedly gotten wrong.
Giacomo Latta says
gravenimage,
We’re all aware how much a mental lightweight Rod is. Perhaps if Mr. Spencer had space to allow Rod to draw stick figures or to do a Dick and Jane story Rod would have what he needs to convince others of his point of view. He has a terrible time with words and figures.
gravenimage says
So true, Giacomo. I don’t think “Rod” believes he needs to provide any actual facts.
Eleanor says
People of Arabian or Iranian heritage are not Caucasian, and here is a perfect example of a young woman who had difficulty identifying her race on the most recent US Census form, because there was no box for her to tick regarding her racial typing. This needs updating urgently USA.
“Samira Damavandi knows that when she fills out her 2020 census form, she will be counted. But it pains her that, in some way, she will also be forgotten.
When asked to mark her race, Damavandi will encounter options for white, black, Asian, American Indian and Native Hawaiian — but nothing that she believes represents her family’s Iranian heritage. She will either have to choose white, or identify as “some other race.”
Infidel says
Either that, or they can get rid of the race and ethnicity question altogether!
Carol the 1st says
All my life I’ve considered it obvious that olive-skinned individuals e.g. Iranians and Italians are “white”. It seems to be the Dems who oddly want everyone to fancy they are “brown” (all the more to assume they need a big Dem shoulder to cry on?). The forms mentioned simply don’t make things seem alien or complicated by using the term “Caucasian”. They did leave out the Australian Aborigines however.
Here’s from quora.com:
Iranians are indeed Caucasian people. Caucasus region is located in northwest of Iran. If you don’t consider Iranians to be white then you shouldn’t consider Italians, Portuguese, Spanish, Greek, and French white either.
SKA says
Having lived and worked in Iran I can attest to having seen a few wholly Iranian natives who have reddish and even very blond hair and blue or green eyes, particularly in Gilan Province on the Caspian Sea. While most of the population is clearly Caucasian there are pockets of Turkic tribesmen such as the Shahsavan and Qashqai tribesmen whose features reflect Central Asian origins while in Bandar Abbas there are many locals who clearly are of black African descent.
gravenimage says
There are Muslims who are complaining that there is no category for Arab.
gravenimage says
Former NYPD top dog: ‘For the last 20 years our biggest concern was ISIS, Al Qaeda. Now it’s the citizens of the US’
………………,.
Complete tripe. As though people waving American flags and wearing MAGA hats have slaughtered thousands. Another big lie.
Infidel says
The only way he’d have been right would have been if by ‘citizens of the US’, he had been referring to members of BLM and Antifa
mgoldberg says
copying a paragraph from a wayne allan root post today: “They lied about the Black Lives Matter riots. For months, we saw radical communists, Marxists and violent thugs riot, loot, burn, mug and murder while attacking police officers with bricks, pipes and Molotov cocktails. They burned entire downtown business districts to the ground, such as those in Minneapolis and Kenosha, Wisconsin. They burned police stations to the ground. They took over cities such as Portland and Seattle. They destroyed famous shopping districts such as Fifth Avenue in New York City and the Magnificent Mile in Chicago. They killed over 30 people. They caused over $2 billion in damage.
Yet liberal politicians and the liberal media ignored it all, or made believe it never happened, or made believe it was “peaceful,” or encouraged it, or supported it.” And after all that, such as Bratton can only mouth gossamer falsehoods that demean all the work of all those cops who have to maintain the peace in those cities he served. NY, LA, Boston. How many right wing or white supremicists do you think he’s arrested in those cities versus all the others peoples.
Infidel says
And while they’re doing nothing about thugs who loot Macys or burn Wendys, they are busy arresting a man sitting alone on a park bench or somebody in an outdoor singing group not wearing a mask. I’m almost leaning towards ‘Defunding the police’ if they will do nothing against real criminals or rioters, but only crack down on Chinavirus crimes
GFYS says
The democrats created to very monster they love
SKA says
The only thing that is real or true in what Britton is saying is this: the leftist-Muslim coalition fears the truth and especially those who know and stand for the truth.
Henry Mansfield says
As an expert on Islam who isn’t actually Muslim, Robert Spencer has spoken truth to power and survived more than one assassination attempt and been forbidden from even traveling to at least one country.
I can’t say as I blame him for stepping out of his area of expertise (Islamic terrorism and jihad), the parallels in revisionist history and blatant hypocrisy currently in use by the American political Left today HAVE to be causing some involuntary shudders for a guy like him.
somehistory says
“these past ten years compared to Al Qaeda and ISIS- inspired threats,” Snyder said….”
Uh…how many Americans have heard of al queda, or isis or even “lone wolf” islamic terrorist? How many have some idea, no matter how faint or vague, what is the purpose or goal of these people committing acts of terror? Let’s see a show of hands, people, now don’t be shy. Truth is allowed here.
Now how many have heard of “Sovereign Citizens”? How many know anything about this group? (I read about them in my anti-terrorism courses.) Just what do they believe? What is their goal? Are there very many of them practicing their ‘beliefs’?
The snyder guy ‘names’ these “domestic terrorists” that are more dangerous than the many groups of moslim terrorists. Let’s see: violent white supremacists, neo-Nazis, sovereign citizens, militia movements ” Hmmm. he seems to have blinders on. “white supremacists” and “neo-nazis” are both made up of White people…and most are cross-over, meaning, their aren’t many “white supremacists” that are not also “neo-nazis.” And, the “militia movements.” Most of the members of these groups just want the Constitution followed, and limit the number of illegal entries into the country. These guys and gals believe in the part that says, “well-regulated militia” applies to them, as they want to protect their homes and those of their neighbors.
These two…speaking to shepard smith of all people (a nut case if there ever was one)…are just following the party line….follow or be sidelined like the average Joe who liked Mr. Trump, or just likes his freedoms.
This says they are in lockstep…not lockdown…with biden and his crowd; “rebelling against everything we thought we believed in”….He “thought” he “believed in” freedom, now he’s not so sure.
Well, okay; maybe he’s sure he no longer does believe it. Group think, go along to get along and all that. No integrity stuff for him; no siree.
somehistory says
Re: Sovereign Citizens: This group, relatively small, keep to themselves and believe that each one is a ‘sovereign citizen’ and should not have to pay taxes to the government. They believe in the Constitution and the Amendments.
They are really no danger to anyone who is not trying to enforce the laws against them in this regard. Although, they have been known to shoot at agents of the irs and others who try to collect money they don’t believe they owe.
They just want to be left alone. I can’t recall an incident where they did anything remotely similar to what moslim terrorists have done.
Of course, we all know moslim terrorists have all of us as their targets.
PRCS says
Just for the sake of argument, let’s give him the benefit of doubt (domestic terrorism is a greater threat to us TODAY than international terrorism). What will he say when the situation has inarguably reversed?
tgusa says
In most of the non white areas of these large democrat run cities criminal gangs have their designated turfs from which to terrorize the citizens of those areas. Those people are so afraid of the criminal gangs they wont even talk to the police and that has been going on for decades. With guys like this in charge that is really no big surprise. Low crime and generally peaceful white communities are a stain on his reputation. Heck of a job there commissioner.
somehistory says
The Truth hurts people like these two.
Btw, I commented on your final comment on that other thread (Trump/incitement)…re: the heart and speech. Just so you know. 🙂
tgusa says
Thanks for the update, saw it.
somehistory says
OT: The Epoch Times says that Parler is back online.
Infidel says
No it’s not, just checked
Otoh, Gab is now back to normal – if one goes there, one’s page will appear, customized w/ the feeds of those one’s following. It’s much better than a month ago, when the only people there were nobodys. Revolver News is there, as well as Allum Bokhari of Breitbart, so there’s something at least to follow and comment on
somehistory says
Tech difficulties, per the email from Epoch.
“Now seems like the right time to remind you all—both lovers and haters—why we started this platform,” Matze wrote. “We believe privacy is paramount and free speech essential, especially on social media. Our aim has always been to provide a nonpartisan public square where individuals can enjoy and exercise their rights to both. We will resolve any challenge before us and plan to welcome all of you back soon. We will not let civil discourse perish!”
parler screenshot
A screenshot of Parler.com on Jan. 16, 2020. (Screenshot/Parler)
Amazon Web Services’ rationale behind jettisoning Parler was due to a lack…”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/parlers-website-back-online-with-a-message-from-its-ceo_3660235
Infidel says
Not that Epoch is bad, but you can verify this particular claim live by just typing ‘parler.com’ in your browser, and seeing what comes up. I get ‘404 Not Found’, and a reference to nginx 1.18 (Ubuntu). Which seems to suggest that they’re trying to set up an nginx web server on Ubuntu Linux, but ain’t done w/ it as yet (otherwise one wouldn’t get a 404 error)
somehistory says
Perhaps it was up briefly. Mr. Matze was quoted as asking if it ‘was working.’
One of the companies I worked for…a huge multi…was putting up a new web page for a new product and one would not believe all of the ups and downs. At times we could see it clearly, but customers and others could not see any pages.
All I know is that the “screen shot” quoted the man and said they were working to make sure people had a place to go.
And, I have never done Parler, just as no fb, twit or any other just to say what I’m doing, where going or what I think about various subjects. So, if you say it is not up, I’ll accept that.
Infidel says
somehistory, I get your point. One of the things that I did in my last marketing job was content management for our web page – ensuring that the product page was current, and it did take quite a bit of field runs to ensure that it ran properly. I’m not sure whether Parler had their data stored locally in case of emergencies such as this, or whether they depended totally on Amazon. As John Nolte pointed out, putting themselves on Amazon was just begging to be put out of business
I have never been part of Facebook, except for one phantom account that I put up to follow some games, and one fine day, I found it banned. It wasn’t worth my time or effort to find out why, so I just left it at that. Twitter too – they banned me once for using the word ‘rapefugee’, and also banned the people I followed and who followed me, so I went ahead and deleted the account after unlocking it
mgoldberg says
When you travel to any airport and you examine all the things you have to do to protect airplane travel from homicidists, ask yourself how much this has cost everyone, and who does virtually all of that homicidal attacks. When you see people who were killed for their head coverings not being on, who do you imagine is involved in all those many attempted and completed assaults and murders. When you see uber and that sort of transport driver having committed offenses against passengers and bigoted hateful commentary, who do you think commits these crimes? Assaults upon the government offices? all these years, yes, there have been a few non left wing, non jihadist attacks but how many many more were done by leftists, with anointing of antifa, bam by the left? No one anoints the right wing supremicists, nor endows them with the huge amounts of money that blm obtained, and after they assaulted, beat and murdered citizens..
Infidel says
It’s funny how cops, who’re now more hated by the Left than ever before, nonetheless pander to them in terms of looking the other way when they riot, but at the same time, crack down brutally on people violating social distancing rules, not wearing masks and so on. On the other side, the Left, which was screaming to defund or ‘reimagine’ the police for much of last year, is suddenly wondering where the police are when the Capitol building is stormed
I actually would like Leftists to be trapped in situations where there is no police to rescue their sorry hineys
Westman says
60 Minutes and Scott Pelley did their best to paint all Republicans as terrorists tonight. And Chuck Schumer was there, shark teeth looking looking for Trump blood. There was absolutely no expression of how to bring unity in the nation – just a bunch of wounded egos looking for red meat to chew and claiming the ridiculous expense and military presence was necessary to protect against another charge of the nutters.
Somehow these stellar IQs were talking out of both sides of their mouth – on one hand claiming the nutters stormed the Capital to stop the Electoral Vote – and on the other that the nutters will come again AFTER now the vote is over and there is no question, even in their mind, that Biden will be President.
Such a waste. It’s going be a nothingburger.
If “right wing extremists” are the big problem in America why do the actual statistics show the violent deaths are mostly in poor areas of the big inner cities – one of the worst in the home of the US Capital? They don’t count?
DC has its own token mayor, however, Congress actually controlls DC through its budget. Congressmen have been assaulted in DC yet they have been unable(and not interested?) to clean up the city in which they work. It that because they cannot or is it because in their isolated world, they simply don’t care?
Frankly no one should accept anything Congress or local Police authorities have to say about violent crime or who is a terrorist until DC, home of the “leaders” can reflect that our Congress can do more than talk, forever campaign, make laws for special interests, and push paper. In a way, DC is the testing ground for any administration. If the US Admin can’t succeed in making DC a model city, it seems that it’s a failure and has been for generations.
Infidel says
Split the capital. Put the State Department in New York, so that foreign envoys to the US can share offices w/ envoys to the UN (i.e. have all foreign embassies there). Put the Treasury Department in Charlotte, NC, since they are the #2 financial center after New York, but companies are already moving out of NY. Since CDC is in Atlanta, put HHS there. Department of the Interior – maybe move that to Wyoming. Since a lot of intel these days is cyber, maybe move the FBI, CIA and all intel agencies to San Francisco (where they can also deal w/ the breakdown in law & order). And while we are at it, maybe move the White House, Congress and SCOTUS to a city somewhere in the center of the country, pretty boring, so that government becomes less attractive a workplace. Oh, and encourage remote work and telecommuting as much as possible
By distributing the capital, bureaucrats will no longer be able to simply move from one department to another, and each department will be in a place where it’s surrounded by the institutions it works w/. It’ll make them more responsive, make them less captive to government
Once that’s done, just make DC a county in Maryland, and hand it over to Gov Hogan, so that his state can have a Democrat governor once again. Since he’s been so strongly in favor of getting rid of Trump, let’s gerrymander him out of office ?
Westman says
Very interesting ideas, Infidel! You are right. Modern communications and data transfer in this modern world make it unnecessary for the US government departments, Congress, or the Exec Branch to be in any particular place. It would be as useful for it to be broken in to different localities as it would be to break up the Tech monopolies. Imagine the beneficial “hardship” this would create for the lobbyists who buy our politicians and bureaucrats.
James Lincoln says
Forward thinking, Infidel.
I like it!
Rod says
BY SANYA MANSOOR SEPTEMBER 5, 2020 11:47 AM EDT Time Magazine
The vast majority of Black Lives Matter protests—more than 93%—have been peaceful, according to a new report published Thursday by a nonprofit that researches political violence and protests across the world.
The Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project (ACLED) analyzed more than 7,750 Black Lives Matter demonstrations in all 50 states and Washington D.C. that took place in the wake of George Floyd’s death between May 26 and August 22.
Their report states that more than 2,400 locations reported peaceful protests, while fewer than 220 reported “violent demonstrations.” The authors define violent demonstrations as including “acts targeting other individuals, property, businesses, other rioting groups or armed actors.” Their definition includes anything from “fighting back against police” to vandalism, property destruction looting, road-blocking using barricades, burning tires or other materials. In cities where protests did turn violent—these demonstrations are “largely confined to specific blocks,” the report says.
The ACLED report includes protests toppling statues of “colonial figures, slave owners and Confederate leaders” as violent incidents. “Since Floyd’s killing, there have been at least 38 incidents in which demonstrators have significantly damaged or torn down memorials around the country,” the report states.
gravenimage says
“Rod” has never said anything critical about looting and violent riots–but then, why would he?
And many of these “colonial figures, slave owners and Confederate leaders” have actually included statues of such figures as Cervantes and Lincoln, who were *anti-slavery*. He also does not say why figures from Colonial America are to be targeted.
Westman says
” ..nonprofit that researches political violence and protests across the world.”
There is no such thing as a true nonprofit, Rod. They are all financed by some entity that expects favorable, biased results. Half of the charities in the US are scams to provide high salaries for the execs while delivering little for the cause. Think tanks are funded to create political fodder for the donors. Hospitals claim nonprofit status while they gouge the citizens and insurance companies to continue an amazing expansion without loans. That scam is finished; there will be universal health care before the Republicans regain the White House.
Non-profit means these entities spend all the money and nothing else. They are all biased to some purpose.
And for every one of the left wing nuts tearing down statues, breaking windows, and burning cars, there are a hundred daring them to do it, and cheering them on. Wait for a few months and they will get impatient with the Biden Admin and destroy more stuff. And the weekly killing totals will keep right on rising in the inner cities….
don vito says
rod fraud
James Lincoln says
Rod,
What is your opinion about the BLM protests that *did* turn violent?
And what should’ve been done about them?
Infidel says
I didn’t know that TIME magazine articles were worth citing. This is not the TIME magazine of the 80s
tgusa says
It is an insult to dogs to call these creatures dogs.
Mojdeh says
FBI Says Iran Cyber Actors Still Threatening US Election Officials
Sunday, 17 Jan 2021 17:23
The US Federal Bureau of Investigation on Saturday issued another alert about continued threats to US election officials by Iranian actors “to create fear, divisions, and mistrust in the United States and undermine public confidence in the US electoral process.”.
“The FBI is issuing this announcement to help the public recognize Iranian activity intended to create fear, divisions, and mistrust in the United States and undermine public confidence in the US electoral process,” the alert said.
Iranian cyber actors are continuing their “Enemies of the People” (EOTP) online operations by using direct email and text messaging to threaten the lives of these officials and intimidate them and are exposing officials’ personal information and photographs on websites, the statement said.
The cyber actors are also using social media sites “to promote and disseminate messaging about the EOTP operation,” the FBI claimed.
On December 23, US security agencies said they had highly credible information indicating that Iranian cyber actors were responsible for creating a website featuring death threats aimed at US election officials.
Inspired Infidel says
We are the keepers of the gateway of time.
Jayell says
Democracy means rule by the people. The ‘will of the people’ should logically be accepted as the will of the majority, which should hopefully be divined by the electoral democratic process. Thus, the majority must be seen to be supreme, otherwise you don’t have ‘democracy’. Now, if we’re going to talk about ‘supremacy’, what group of people within the USA represents the ‘majority’, therefore what group would logically and democratically deserve to hold any position of ‘supremacy’? Or is the majority to be ruled by a minority? In which case, how is that ‘democracy’?
Rarely says
“Democracy” is more than just “the majority”. The “minority” must be protected from “the tyranny of the majority”. There are many so-called “democracies” which persecute their minorities. Hitler had a majority.
mgoldberg says
This Republic was the answer 245 or so yrs ago. And it was a remarkable achievement that gave room to rule and solve disparities whilst all the flaws of humans worked their machinations and egos and schemes. Now… the left is on the march to socialize the republic which means that it will be a one party governance of the correct only and others will be made to reform or disappear. That is their goal. And we had better wake up to educating all of ourselves and all americans and not abandon to the oligarchs and the democrats and leftists what is the body of this nation, the constitution…..
Rarely says
There are fewer safeguards when the President, the Senate and the House of Representatives are of the same party.
Infidel says
Say that to AOC and others, who call for banning conservatives online, deplatforming the likes of Parler, pulling Newsmax and OAN off the airwaves and so on. Hitler had a majority, and so does Biden!
gravenimage says
Rarely, you are correct that democracy has to include protection for minorities–and for the individual–or else it is just mob rule.
A Gnostic Agnostic says
The Left pathologically projects/scapegoats all of it’s own crimes onto the Right.
The Islamic Deep State has non-Muslim nations weaponized against their own citizens.
That is how the “Deep State” operates: accuse others of what they are themselves guilty of.
Stephen Sarchett says
Another fool who knows nothing about Islamist
OLD GUY says
I think if he had said this last summer when the left was burning our big cities I might have considered some truth in his statement. What happened at the Capital should not be tolerated and those who committed these crimes should be prosecuted. The same is true of the violence and destruction that took place last summer. The difference is that the left saw those rioters as hero’s, and dropped charges and bailed those criminals out of jail. The difference is in how those in power see those rioters, if it suits their agenda its ok, if it is counter to their ideology its a crime.
Ben Kennedy says
After reading this story, I was reminded (by experience) that Communist lie, and they do a lot of it trying to get you to believe what they are saying.
Someone once said when the lie becomes an institution, truth looks like rebellion.
In 2018, Thao (pen name) said the lie is the survival instinct of the Communist. Of course the Communist overthrew his Country (Viet-Nam) in 1974-1975.
Malcom Muggeridge said people do not believe a lie because they have to, but because they want to.
More recently, Edward Snowden said when exposing a crime is treated as a crime, you are being ruled by criminals.
Now the former NY Communist ram-rod tells us the American People are the biggest threat to our Constitutional Form of Government.
Cheech & Chong said if it looks like? , smells like ? , and taste like ? , it probably is ? . I would just add to that, that it comes from a NY Politician.