I wonder if Mohammed Moussaoui could give even a single example of this ready acceptance of criticism of Islam’s “foundations, its beliefs, its credo.” In over two decades, all I have seen are torrents of abuse and character assassination directed at anyone who utters the mildest negative word, including even exposition of how Islamic jihadis use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and oppression.
“Separatism: CFCM ensures that ‘Islam accepts criticism,'” translated from “Séparatisme: le CFCM assure que «l’islam accepte la critique,»” by Jean-Marie Guénois, Le Figaro, January 11, 2021 (thanks to Mason):
It was inevitable. Interviewed Monday by the National Assembly’s Law Commission, which is preparing the law “on respect for the principles of the Republic” and previously called out “Muslim separatism”, Mohammed Moussaoui, president of the French Council of Muslim Faith, was questioned on the status of criticism in Islam. “Islam readily accepts criticism of it,” he replied, “including its foundations, its beliefs, its credo. This is not incompatible with freedom of expression. It is fundamental, it is a tool and an important value for Muslims as well.”
The Muslim leader then clarified: “I think that our fellow citizens who want to criticize our religion, its foundations, or who want to be surprised about certain practices have the right to do so in complete freedom. And Muslims should not take offense at this. On the other hand, they must respond with dignity, in a contradictory intellectual debate, they must…
Buraq says
And if you believe that garbage, you can look out of your window and see a squadron of pink pigs streaking across the sky! Lying clown!
mike says
well said flying on Flying carpets
Rob says
Yeah. Oink oink flap flap!
Trish says
Do you see the Donkeys too?
mortimer says
Yes, Buraq, to say that Islam allows criticism is obvious garbage to anyone who knows that Sharia law has a total BAN on criticizing Islam with the death penalty attached.
Sam says
Actually mortimer, it’s your claim that is garbage, and all over the Muslim world, a debate, heated debates go on TV stations , all discussing Islam and criticizing it, so here we go, the garbage is in the western media, filled with propaganda and hate, all to keep creating wars, so the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX will make endless amounts of money, think of it …
gravenimage says
Really? “Sam” keeps claiming that Muslims all over the world are criticizing Islam, yet he never presents any examples.
That’s because this is not what is going on–Muslims frequently attack each other for not imposing Islam–this is not the same as criticizing Islam itself. Of course, “Sam” understands this.
Sam says
Take a look in your mind, not outside, the pigs are there.
Yes, real Islam allows criticism, and Muslims accept criticism as long as it’s polite and civil, unlike your criticism which is extremely barbaric and hateful with a barbaric goal that has a goal of more blood that you seem to be lusting for, an example of your blood lust and theft is the creation f Criminal Israel, the destruction of Iraq and Syria and your current lies that the Al-Qaida has a base in Iran, which is a laughable lie mentioned by your elites:).
Just last century, you have murdered 10s of Millions and robbed them of their natural recourse, and you are Christians and Jews who claim to be civil, are you? what did the Muslims do to you in the past 1500? OK, go to the Arab world and you will see that until the creation of Criminal Israel, Muslims, Jews and Christians lived a very peaceful life, all maintained their houses of worship, the Christian Churches still exist to this moment, and most of the Synagogues do.
You do to every Arab government and you will see Christian in high levels of every Arab Muslim government, how? explain, do some honest research and then explain, don’t give me your BS pile of lies and hate.
If you want peace and prosperity, why don’t you start debating Muslims face to face, you will be amazed at their civility and politeness, of course, just like any other faith or ideology, there will always be some fanatics and extremists, just be careful and polite, you may acheive the peace we all humans need, and we lack 5this peace because e are following Satan, we want money and more money, that’s all, and this is shameful as a human being. thanks God to the Coronavirus which is telling us to start acting as a human being , not like Hyenas.
There are too many Muslims who read this ugly filthy website, and are more educated than all of you when it comes to their religion, but they do not descend to your level, they just smile and go on with their lives, so, why don’t you try to be polite and educated in a civilized manner?
too many to say, but I have things to do to help my fellow humans near by, how about you? just spewing hate and encouraging theft and Murder?
Sam says
Correction, not last century but this century.
Sam says
Another correction: I wrote ” You do to every Arab government ….” , what I meant was :
You GO to …..
gravenimage says
“Sam” wrote:
Take a look in your mind, not outside, the pigs are there.
Yes, real Islam allows criticism, and Muslims accept criticism as long as it’s polite and civil, unlike your criticism which is extremely barbaric and hateful with a barbaric goal that has a goal of more blood that you seem to be lusting for…
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When has Islam ever allowed criticism? The “Prophet” himself had his critics murdered, including a nursing mother who opposed the violence of Islam and a couple of slave girls who made up comic songs.
Then, Shari’ah law does not allow any criticism of Islam. Just look at the savage blasphemy laws in pious Muslim countries such as Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and many more?
Finally, Muslims regularly threaten to murder anyone who dares say anything critical of Islam, including Salman Rushdi, Theo van Gogh, Samuel Paty. and any cartoonist who draws Muhammed.
Then, how could criticism have a “goal of morer blood” if Muslims were not butchering people who dare criticize Islam? It is not Infidels who are murdering people.
And the idea that Muslims only go after critics who are somehow “barbaric and hateful” makes no sense. Theo van Gogh and Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s film just criticized Islamic violence against woman, and Robert Spencer’s critcisms of Islam have always been very measured–but this of course makes no difference to murderous Muslims.
And the idea that Muslims have the right to murder critics if they are ‘rude’ is grotesque in any case.
And what is the reference to robbing Muslims of their “narural recourse”? Does the semi-literate “Sam” mean “natural resources”, or does he hold that Muslims’ “natural recourse” includes murdering those who criticize Islam? And if the former, where have Infidels ever stolen Muslim nations’ natural resources? Citations, please.
As for the idea that Muslims only began murdering Jews and Christians because of the creation of Israel, this is grotesque for two reasons. For one thing, why would the creation of Israel mean that Muslims have the right to murder Jews in Tunisia and Yeman and Christians in Nigeria and Iraq and EPakistan?
Then, of course, this is just a lie. Muslims have been oppressing, persecuting, and murdering Infidels wherever they have invaded, and have been doing so for 1400 years now.
Then, his characterizing any defence against Jihad as murder is just grotesque.
As for the idea that Muslims are civil if you debate them face to face, I have had Muslims very civily tell me that I should have been stoned to death for having dated my husband, and that “Jesus” (“prophet Isa”) will slaugnhter all the Christians on his return. They didn’t murder me at the time, though–is this “polite” enough for “Sam”? I suppose so…
These included representatives of “Why Islam”–surely not “extremists”?
Then, it scarcely surprises that “Sam” praises a deadly pandemic–he *does* love death.
Finally, the idea that it is not civilized to oppose horrors such as child “marriage”, slavery, rape, and mass murder is just bizarre. In fact, ignoring this savagery–or much worse, engaging in it as pioius Muslims do–is *really* uncivilized.
“Sam’s” only concern about helping his fellow humans is in pushing the barbarism of Islam on them.
Sam says
gravenimage says :-
“When has Islam ever allowed criticism? The “Prophet” himself had his critics murdered, including a nursing mother who opposed the violence of Islam and a couple of slave girls who made up comic songs.”
First, killing is totally prohibited in Islam, so the story you are mentioning is a fake story, a big lie, and Islam has ben subject to lies for the past 1500 years, liars are mainly the jews , and the world very well that the jews are professional false flag creators, and one can only do a google search to learn about this.
Criticism is an ongoing activity in most of the Muslim world, they argue and debate Islam and it’s teachings, and toward the end, no one hurt no one, try and see Al- Jazeera , Al-Arabia amongst others, and if you go to Egypt, you will find that there are almost 40 Million seculars who criticize Egypt every day and on every news paper, yet, I have not seen or heard about any one getting executed because of this activity.
We all know that history and story is always written by the victors, and today, the west has been the winner for the past 500 years, so, we can say with certainty that more than 90% of what you hear or read about Islam and Muslims is fake, false flag, hateful propaganda etc.
Yes, there are Muslims that kill, rape, steal, but do they represent Islam? how about the American serial killers, those who rape their own children, the bank robbers, do they represent American culture? be serious, be a human being, hat you are doing is asking others to KILL, that’s exactly what you wish for, nice of you SIR …:) … Mr. I know who.
In short, all what you do daily is shameful, hateful and extremely ugly.
I’m not a Muslim, I’m not a Democrat, but I can see clearly that Muslims are much more civilized than your likes, and that Democrats are more human than your likes, the past few days has shown the world how your kind of your people are, so try and re read your bible, maybe it will teach you compassion and humanity, maybe!.
:).
gravenimage says
“Sam” wrote:
gravenimage says :-
“When has Islam ever allowed criticism? The “Prophet” himself had his critics murdered, including a nursing mother who opposed the violence of Islam and a couple of slave girls who made up comic songs.”
First, killing is totally prohibited in Islam, so the story you are mentioning is a fake story, a big lie, and Islam has ben subject to lies for the past 1500 years, liars are mainly the jews , and the world very well that the jews are professional false flag creators, and one can only do a google search to learn about this.
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Grimly hilarious–the Qur’an itself teaches the slaughter of Infidels, including the “Sura of the Sword”, in the penultimate Sura: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the idoloters wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war…”–Qur’an 9:5. Is “Sam” going to claim that the Qur’an is fake as well?
Then, the account of the murder of Asma bint Marwan is from ibn Ishaq–the orthodox biographer of the Prophet.
More:
Criticism is an ongoing activity in most of the Muslim world, they argue and debate Islam and it’s teachings, and toward the end, no one hurt no one, try and see Al- Jazeera , Al-Arabia amongst others, and if you go to Egypt, you will find that there are almost 40 Million seculars who criticize Egypt every day and on every news paper, yet, I have not seen or heard about any one getting executed because of this activity.
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In 2018 an Egyptian Muslim scholar, Islam al-Behairy, was arrested and sentenced to five years in prison for suggesting that Islam be reformed. Christians, Atheists, and Ahmadis have also been imprisoned.
In 2012, seven Egyptian Christians were sentenced to death in absentia for their role in the movie “Innocence of Muslims”.
This shows that criticism of Islam is *hardly* openly allowed in Egypt.
And note that “Sam” here studiously avoids mention of places in Dar-al-Islam that do execute victims for daring to criticize Islam, like Pakistan.
More:
We all know that history and story is always written by the victors, and today, the west has been the winner for the past 500 years, so, we can say with certainty that more than 90% of what you hear or read about Islam and Muslims is fake, false flag, hateful propaganda etc.
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I cited the texts of Islam themselves–is “Sam” pretending these were made up by ‘filthy Infidels’ as well?
And is he claiming that all Jihad terror attacks–all 38,000+ just since 9/11–are all “false flag” operations done to make Islam look bad? If this were the case, then why would so many Muslims, including Muslim clerics, laud this and call the perpetrators Martyrs?
More:
Yes, there are Muslims that kill, rape, steal, but do they represent Islam? how about the American serial killers, those who rape their own children, the bank robbers, do they represent American culture? be serious, be a human being, hat you are doing is asking others to KILL, that’s exactly what you wish for, nice of you SIR …:) … Mr. I know who.
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The texts of Islam themselves teach rape and murder, and pious Muslims revel in their violent history.
There is nothing similar in the US–moreover, Americans do not turn serial killers into heroes. Child rapists are even hated by other felons. But Muslims do consider Jihadists to be heroes–and to be Martrys.
More:
In short, all what you do daily is shameful, hateful and extremely ugly.
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Opposing child “marriage”, rape, slavery, and mass murder–all sacralized in Islam–is *anything* but hateful and ugly. It is spouting apologia for these horrors that is ugly.
More:
I’m not a Muslim, I’m not a Democrat, but I can see clearly that Muslims are much more civilized than your likes, and that Democrats are more human than your likes, the past few days has shown the world how your kind of your people are, so try and re read your bible, maybe it will teach you compassion and humanity, maybe!.
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“Sam” may or may not be Muslim himself, but he is certainly an apologist fir the horrors of Islam.
And how is waging Jihad terror more civilized than opposing it?
Then, what have I done in the past few days but oppose the violence of Islam?
And the Bible does not teach good people to ignore child rape and mass murder. Citations, please.
unbeliever1 says
If it were possible I’d give you two ? up.
toomanyhobbies says
BWAAHAHA No wait is he serious??? Apparently he cannot read…
gravenimage says
He’s just lying–this is Taqiyya.
Mount Zion says
Yeah right , they do listen to criticism but afterwards you loose your head .
Trish says
Exactly
Sam says
How many heads this century? Now, HOW many Muslims did your ilk kill this century? don’t answer here, just be honest, be educated and do some research, take a look at what you did to Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan .. etc. … be honest to readers …don’t lie as your nature tells you to do, try and be a human being ..
gravenimage says
“Sam” has said before that any defense against Jihad terror is “murder”. Bad dhimmis! As he sees it, we should roll over for 9/11 and allow ISIS to enslave and slaughter innocent people. And why not? This is orthodox Islam.
nicholas tesdorf says
So, “Muslim leader claims that Islam ‘readily accepts criticism”, well, that must be the joke of the week. Neither the Book (Qu`ran), the Man (Muhammed) or the History (Sunna) indicates anything of the sort.
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mortimer says
It’s a horribly unfunny ‘joke’, because the death penalty is attached to criticism of Islam.
mortimer says
Mohammed Moussaoui is out and out lying.
Sharia law strictly forbids the mere ‘mention’ of ‘something impermissible’ about Islam by a kafir (non-Muslim). If fact, no criticism of Islam is allowed in Sharia law manuals.
Punishment of Blasphemers from Sharia manual Reliance of the Traveller’:
“The (DHIMMI) agreement is also violated (A: with respect to the offender alone) if the state has stipulated that any of the following things break it, and one of the subjects does so anyway, though if the state has not stipulated that these break the agreement, then they do not; namely, if one of the subject people:
-5- mentions something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam.” – Reliance of the Traveller’ Chapter ‘O’ 11.10.05.
Sharia permits anyone to kill those who verbally oppose Islam, since they are at war with Islam:
“There is no indemnity obligatory for killing a non-Muslim (harbi) at war with Muslims.” -Reliance of the Traveller, o4.17, p.593
“We have already discussed killing the person who, with intent, curses the Prophet, belittles him or slights him in any way. The judgement in this case is clear.” (i.e. death) – Qadhi Iyaadh in ash-Shifa, Volume No.2, Page No. 27
gravenimage says
+1
James says
Go ahead, Mohammed Moussaoui, give Islam some real hard, pointed criticism. Get to the heart of the matter. This I want to see.
mortimer says
Yes, and do so loudly in the market square in Afghastlistan, Soddy Barbaria or in Pornistan.
Count the minutes before the angry mob assembles to beat you to death … thus refuting your claim that Islam ‘readily accepts criticism’.
Every month someone in a Muslim country is arrested for criticizing Islam.
gravenimage says
France: Muslim leader claims that Islam ‘readily accepts criticism’
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Yes–and then Muslims murder the critics.
Mohammed Moussaoui has also described the “liberty, tolerance and peace that are (our) message”–just grotesquely laughable.
He has regularly whitewashed Islam’s crushing of freedom of speech–saying that the attack on Charlie Hebdo and Samuel Paty were not Islamic, while also condeming anyone who would be crirical of the savage “Prophet”.
mortimer says
Yes, ‘grotesque’ falsehoods if you know what Sharia law says. Sharia law is very clear about the death penalty for anyone who criticizes Islam.
Mohammed Moussaoui is promoting a FANTASY version of Islam and cannot quote any Islamic authority for his fanciful opinion … NO ISLAMIC SCHOLAR has promoted the freedom to criticize Islam, and if so, he was probably killed by someone … as was Punjab Governor Salman Taseer who was assassinated at point-blank range for criticizing Pakistan’s blasphemy law.
Sharia law is clear: THOU SHALT NOT CRITICIZE ISLAM … OR ELSE.
gravenimage says
+1
jca reid. says
Their hypocrisy knows no bounds. In the Summer of 2019 at Auschwitz there was a major Memorial Service with Political Leaders from all over the place. Some Imam, (why were Muslims invited?), & he clearly stated, “We were victims as well.” We all know they are lying hypocrites. It’s simple…. criticise Islam, Mohammed etc. & it’s cut your throat time. Critical Thinking is not permissible in Islam. If it was it would be finished in 5 minutes flat.
mortimer says
The mullah lied: Muslims were NOT targeted by Hitler for physical destruction and were not victims of Hitler’s genocidal rage. Muslims were Hitler’s valued allies, since he hoped they would direct their jihad against Jews and, after that, against Christianity.
gravenimage says
So far as I know, there were a handful of Muslims who died at Aushcwitz. They were not targeted for being Muslim–they were Soviet POWs with Muslim names. Still horrifying–but they were never targeted as Jews were.
Westman says
Watching them kill their own over perceived slights, hold demonstrations against the West, and kill unbelievers over cartoons, should convince us that Islam welcomes criticism?
So delusional. Why do Muslims “leaders” mistakenly think Westerners are so stupid that they would drown looking up in the rain.? Is it US late night television?
Rod says
“Why do Muslims “leaders” mistakenly think Westerners are so stupid”
Perhaps they heard the story about drinking bleach. And that Covid would disappear, like a miracle. Who was that?
Oh yes, a Western “leader”. I hear seventy million Westerners voted for him recently.
Muslims “mistakenly” think Westerners are stupid, Westman? Are you sure that they are mistaken? They killed 75 million of each other’s citizens in a war still in living memory. That must seem a bit stupid to your average Muslim.
gravenimage says
“Rod” here is clearly fine with Muslims murdering us–and each other–over “blasphemy”.
Fred van de Bunt says
One has to grasp the political context.
Mohammed Moussaoui said already that under French rule one better ignores the blasphemous cartoons. To keep power as head of Islam in France he adopts. In Saudi Arabia he undoubtedly would have argued that burning and crucifying Hebdo is right, to stay in power as head of Sunni Islam.
The French State and companies live with the real threat of commercial exclusion by Islam countries for their blasphemous behaviour. If the head of French Islam says Islam is tolerance, the French State has proof the Hebdo cartoons are not blasphemous, and Hebdo should have lived. So he French State has the duty to stop the killing, and uphold Islam tolerance, by introducing new anti-separatism laws.
gravenimage says
Actually, Fred, Mohammed Moussaoui has condemned the Mohammed cartoons, and said that they are not freedom of speech.
Johnny B says
Criticism in Islam means something different, than we as Westeners are used to and expect. Criticism according to Islam would be questions such as: why does Islam not dominate the West yet; why hasn’t Islam eradicated Christianity completely; why are there still Jews in Europe; why is Europe not a Caliphate; when will the European Parliament be turned into a Mosque? You can imagine a lot of critical questions like that in the future.
Uma Maheswar Nakka says
And then whole world know happens next.
Uma Maheswar Nakka says
This is luring to get themselves busy finding targets.
Jayell says
So what’s all this then?
“Islam readily accepts criticism of it, including its foundations, its beliefs, its credo.”
Since when? Don’t its texts threaten all sorts of dire consequences for those who don’t accept or reject the teachings of the Great prophet without question?
“This is not incompatible with freedom of expression.”
Really? Having the right to criticise is not ‘Incompatible with freedom of expression’? What an amazing discovery!! Whoever would have believed it? (This character is SO perceptive that he puts all the great philosophers to shame!!)
“It (freedom of expression) is fundamental, it is a tool and an important value for Muslims as well.”
Really? So why don ‘t they learn to use it then? Or is it the problem with islam that this attracts its membership from those who have difficulty telling an intellectual hammer from a screwdriver? Or maybe those who succesfully use these ‘tools’ to take islam apart will find that it’s so ‘gerry-built’ (that’s an old UK WW2 phrase) that it’s not worth putting back together again?
“I think that our fellow citizens who want to criticize our religion, its foundations, or who want to be surprised about certain practices have the right to do so in complete freedom.”
This character really seems to be having a laugh. Since when did muslims in the West regard their hosts as ‘fellow citizens’ and show them any respect? The Great Prophet told muslims quite clearly that they are, in so many words, ‘citizens of islam’ only, the ‘best of people’, and everything/everyone else is beneath consideration. And this character can rest assured that, unforunately, no-one in the West is ‘surprised’ anymore about any islamic practices; rather, we’d all probably have preferred not to have had to find out about them in the first place. And we don’t need this character to graciously bequeath us any civil liberties since most of us were enjoying these quite happily since the time of Magna Carta – at least, until muslims started appearing on the scene.
“And Muslims should not take offense at this. On the other hand, they must respond with dignity, in a contradictory intellectual debate, they must…”(must what??)
Muslims ‘not take offence’? This must be a joke! Going by all the mountains of evidence available, the whole ‘raison-d’etre’ of devout muslims IS to ‘take offence’. It seems to be their viable defence and justifies (according to their excuses) all the ill-mannered, antisocial and plain criminal behaviour that we’ve all come to associate with being a ‘Disciple of the Great prophet’. And since when was ‘dignity’ involved in the mass slaughter of innocent (infidel) members of the public in the street, on public transport or at pop concerts?
By the way, you can’t really have a ‘contradictory intellectual debate’. A ‘debate’ should ipso facto be an intellectual process involving a connected series of statements designed to establish a proposition. ‘Contradiction’ is merely the automatic gainsaying of any statement that another party makes, thus not ‘intellectual’ and probably establishing nothing. So, apart from involving unnecessary conceptual duplication, a ‘contradictory intellectual debate’ must be an oxymoronic impossibility. I know. I learned that from Monty Python. Perhaps Mohammed Moussaoui should consult them as well if he’s up to it..
Giacomo Latta says
”who want to be surprised about certain practices”
That is a great supposition. Who in their right mind would want to invent the koran if it didn’t exist just so they could be shocked? If it were fiction then possibly someone but who wants to know there are people who are not always recognizable as mentally effed up until it is too late.
OLD GUY says
I guess islamophobia is a dead word now and I just learned to spell it. Then again this could be just a deception.
Rod says
Muslim leader claims that Islam ‘readily accepts criticism’
Whereas, in the planet’s “greatest democracy”, criticism can be a calculated risk, and not readily accepted.
“Meijer noted that body armor is a reimbursable expense for members of Congress. He added, “It’s sad that we have to get to that point, but our expectation is that somebody may try to kill us.”
Meijer was one of ten House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump for incitement of insurrection yesterday, after the president incited a violent mob to attack the Capitol, resulting in five deaths.” He and others have now hired armed escorts.
Other Congress members have stated that they would have voted for impeachment, except for fear for the safety of their families. How many? Several of them? Dozens? Scores?
But put that aside. Let’s focus on Islam. That’s where the evil is.
gravenimage says
Muslims murder the critics of Islam all the time–Theo van Gogh, the cartoonists and staff of Charlie Hebdo, teacher Samuel Paty–but let’s ignore that, and instead focus on this kabuki theater among Democrats in Congress.
Rod says
Remind me, what happened to John F Kennedy? And then his brother? And then Mr King? And the thousands of other US citizens murdered with guns every year?
And why are those steel fences going up all over the place in the US national capital? And thousands of armed troops and police everywhere?
Something to do with Muslims? Democrats? Antifa? Blacks? Mexicans? Chinese?
Well, no! It’s patriotic Republican Americans who are so dangerous. With their guns, of course.
But you think Islam is your problem?
And Westman, above, is wondering why Muslim leaders might think Westerners are stupid.
Ecosse1314 says
Are you still a wimpy coward Rod and refusing to tell us what country you are in.? Since you are such an apologist for islamic atrocities may I suggest you study India…not western not Christian but millions of Indians savagely murdered by Islamic barbarians.
Rod says
Ecosse, if you talk to the people of India (have you?), they’ll tell you of millions of Indians savagely murdered, exploited, robbed, oppressed, over two centuries, by armed, self-righteous, god-fearing Christians. Who then departed, leaving India in utter chaos and bloody civil war. You won’t hear about it from Spencer, but it’s in the history books.
But you’re not interested in real history, are you?
Instead of obsessing about my nationality, why not explain how atrocities in India could possibly excuse the bloodshed happening in the USA today and every day? Why is it remotely relevant?
Rod says
I should have written ‘Doctor’ Martin Luther King. My apologies.
gravenimage says
Actually, Sirhan Sirhan is a “Palestinian” who murdered Robert Kennedy for his support of Israel. Even when “Rod” is desperately trying to dsitract from Jihad, he blunders into it (and yes–Sirhan Sirhan is nominally Christian, but in good dhimmi fashion was waging Jihad on behalf of his Muslim masters).
Then, as i noted, this in DC is mostly theater–but “Rod” hopes we take it at face value.
Rod says
Sirhan Sirhan was, but wasn’t a Christian, so the culture of violence in the USA needn’t be taken seriously. It follows, somehow, that current and future proceedings in the US Congress and courts of justice are mere theatre, and are of similar inconsequence, (does this apply also to offenders who face quite severe punishments for grave misdemeanours?)
I’ll try to bear these principles in mind, but it might prove difficult. Reality has a habit of intruding gravy, even into your delightful fantasies.
gravenimage says
“Rod” wrote:
It follows, somehow, that current and future proceedings in the US Congress and courts of justice are mere theatre, and are of similar inconsequence, (does this apply also to offenders who face quite severe punishments for grave misdemeanours?)
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Of course, I never said that the work of the US Congress and Courts is theater–it is “Rod” who consistently sneers at democracy. (Although he has *nothing* critical to sayh about the horrors of Shari’ah).
I said that much of this handwringing over the supposed danger of conservative protesters is just that. A very different matter, as “Rod” well knows.
Rod says
gravy, I cannot keep up with your fancy footwork. Perhaps your posts need a disclaimer – “Please note – the meaning of these words may be altered without notice”. Of course, it’s all been done before. Trump is a recognised master of the technique.
‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’
gravenimage says
No, it is “Rod” who claimed I said something I never did. Doesn’t he realize that anyone can read these posts? I suppose not–Muslim apologists are seldom long on reason.
somehistory says
It’s very telling that he said….after all of the lies….”Muslims should not take offense at this.”
But they do…to the point of murderous attacks. The young teacher had his life taken violently…because he showed cartoons. Mr. Spencer was poisoned.
Ms. Geller has been threatened and attacked.
A young man I knw told me his family was after him to murder him for leaving islam…and that is a big criticism…if one wants to leave, it is a very critical statement.
Mr. Geert Wilders has been tried and found guilty….because he pointed out that moslim males severely mistreat the females in their own households. If not for the violence of moslims and their pressure on governments to put an end to the criticism, he would not have been tried, because he was telling the Truth.
And the whole “phobia” thing is based on the fact that many tell the Truth about islam, which to moslims, is severe “criticism.” Tell a moslim that his ‘prophet’ was a mass-murdering, raper of children, slave trader, lying sack of slug slime and a son of satan the devil…and no matter how gently and kindly you say it…they will proceed to attack. They won’t stop to debate the issue.
gravenimage says
+1
infidel says
Made to behave,..
Kathy says
The only thing that Islam readily accepts is converts – willing or otherwise!