The report on ill-tempered Bernie is here: “Sanders slams Israel for not sending COVID vaccines to Palestinians,” by Sarah Chemla, Jerusalem Post, February 25, 2021:
US Sen. Bernie Sanders has criticized the Israeli government for sending COVID-19 vaccines to foreign allies before sending them to Palestinians.
Sanders was responding to a New York Times tweet stating that “Israel’s vaccine donations to faraway countries have angered Palestinians who say Israel is responsible for the well-being of Palestinians in the occupied territories, where vaccines are scarce.
But why are vaccines “scarce” for the Palestinians? Isn’t it because they did no planning, even many months into the pandemic, and chose to spend their aid money on other things? In Gaza, Hamas spends huge sums on building terror tunnels, and on arms that it hides throughout civilian areas. The terror group has also been the victim of colossal corruption; just two Hamas leaders, Khaled Meshaal and Mousa Abu Marzouk, have amassed fortunes of at least $2.5 billion apiece. In the West Bank, the head of the PA, Mahmoud Abbas, has a nest egg of $400 million. That’s all money that might have gone to the medical care of the Palestinians. And the PA spent $157 million last year on its Pay-For-Slay program, money which could have paid for enough vaccines to cover the entire Palestinian population in Gaza and the West Bank. It chose not to. Why doesn’t Bernie Sanders deplore the behavior of the PA? He could fulminate in the Senate: “It is unacceptable that the PA, instead of buying vaccines that would have inoculated the entire Palestinian population in Gaza and the West Bank, chose instead to spend its money on the Pay-For-Slay program that rewards, and incentivizes, terrorism.” Could Bernie begin to tell that obvious truth? I doubt it.
The former Democratic presidential contender claimed in a tweet that “Israel is responsible for the health of all the people under its control. It is outrageous that Netanyahu would use spare vaccines to reward his foreign allies while so many Palestinians in the occupied territories are still waiting.
Israel has been vaccinating “all the people under its control” – both Arab and Jewish citizens of the state of Israel, at the same rate, with the same vaccines. That is where Israel’s responsibility ends. Bernie Sanders has apparently not read the Oslo Accords (1995), Annex III, Article 17, paragraphs 1 and 2. They provide unambiguously for the transfer of responsibility for medical care for the Palestinians, including vaccinations, from Israel to the PA. And that transfer has been in force for a quarter-century.
ARTICLE 17
Health
- Powers and responsibilities in the sphere of Health in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip will be transferred to the Palestinian side, including the health insurance system.
- The Palestinian side shall continue to apply the present standards of vaccination of Palestinians and shall improve them according to internationally accepted standards in the field, taking into account WHO recommendations. In this regard, the Palestinian side shall continue the vaccination of the population with the vaccines listed in Schedule 3.
Does Sanders understand those clauses? “Powers and responsibilities in the sphere of Health in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip will be transferred to the Palestinian side”? On what basis does he now claim that Israel is “responsible for the health of all the people under its control”? And in fact, how can he claim that the Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank are “under its control”? The last Israeli pulled out of Gaza in 2005; its inhabitants have been under the control ever since of Hamas. In the West Bank, the PA, ruling the roost from Ramallah, controls the daily lives of Palestinians in Areas A and B. And both in those areas, and even in Area C, the Palestinian Authority has the responsibility for all medical and educational services.
As Israel began its vaccine rollout late last year, some activists and foreign media outlets criticized it for not including the Palestinians, arguing that under international law, Israel is the “occupying power” and must vaccinate them.
The Jewish state responded by pointing out that the internationally recognized Oslo Accords state that the PA is responsible for its population’s healthcare, including vaccinations.
Let’s repeat it: Israel has no obligation – none – to vaccinate the Palestinians. Those who criticize Israel for failing to do so simply want us all to ignore the Oslo Accords. Under what “international law” is Israel an “occupying power”? It is certainly not the “occupying power” in Gaza, where there is not a single Israeli. As for the West Bank, Israel cannot be accused of “occupying ” a territory that was assigned, according to the Mandate for Palestine, to the future Jewish National Home, which then became the state of Israel. Has Bernie read the Palestine Mandate, including Article 6? Does he understand that in the phrase “close settlement by Jews on the land,” which under Article 6 is to be encouraged, the “land” in question included all the land from the Golan in the north, to the Red Sea in the south, and from the Jordan River in the east, to the Mediterranean in the west? Does he realize that the mandates system was itself part of international law? Could it be that Bernie Sanders has never read the Mandate for Palestine? Yes, I think it could.
More study needed, Bernie, please, before you again presume to lecture or hector on this matter. Please, go ahead and burn the midnight oil.
Regardless of legal matters, the government has already sent thousands of doses of coronavirus vaccines to the PA and facilitated the entry of Russian donations of their Sputnik V vaccines.
Israel had no duty to supply the Palestinians with vaccines, but nonetheless has sent 5,000 doses so that, Israel hoped, frontline Palestinian health workers could be vaccinated. There is evidence that some of those doses were used instead to inoculate Palestinian leaders, their families, and relatives.
Israel has also bought one million dollars’ worth of Sputnik V vaccines from Russia to send to Syria, so that an Israeli woman with mental problems who had strayed into Syria, would be returned.
Last week, Netanyahu said Israel and the Palestinians were “in one epidemiological range.”
We have a clear interest that we don’t want illnesses and sick people to pass through our borders from the Palestinian Authority and Gaza,” he told Army Radio.
Israel has no interest in preventing the Palestinians from being vaccinated. On the contrary: many tens of thousands of Palestinians cross into Israel for work each day; their inoculation would make them less dangerous to the Israelis among whom they work. “We have a clear interest,” Prime Minister Netanyahu insists, in making sure that the Palestinians who enter Israel are not carriers of the virus. Israel’s Health Minister, Yuli Edelstein, says that once Israel has finished vaccinating its own population, it will be sending unused doses of the vaccine to the Palestinians. I don’t think Bernie Sanders is aware of that promise.
One more thing: Sanders was exercised that Israel was sending some doses of the vaccine to countries that Jerusalem wanted to thank for their pro-Israel positions. These include: Guatemala, which has its embassy in Jerusalem; Honduras, which has said it will soon be moving its embassy to Jerusalem; and the Czech Republic, which has been a steady supporter of Israel at the U.N. and has said it will add a diplomatic presence to its office in Jerusalem.
Sanders finds this unacceptable. But why? Don’t all countries reward their friends? Doesn’t the American government extend Most-Favored-Nation status to some countries and not to others? Don’t the Americans agree to sell certain advanced weapons to countries it deems friendly, and not to others? Is it wrong to do so? Why shouldn’t Israel do what other countries routinely do? In the case at hand, that means Jerusalem has decided to reward with shipments of the coronavirus three states that have taken, or are about to take, steps that will further strengthen Israel’s position on Jerusalem. Despite the fulminations of Bernie Sanders, there is nothing wrong with that.
jewdog says
Memo to Bernie: The Tsar is long gone and Communism was a flop. You can come out of hiding now.
BlackSabbath says
Bernie, wear your burkha and come out. You can have a 6 year old bride just like the prophet mohammet.
Infidel says
Yaroslavl – the city that Bernie made a sister city to Burlington, VT – is a lot less attractive these days since it’s not run by the CPSU nor the CPRF. Maybe Bernie could build a 4th house in the warm climate of Venezuela. As it is, they’ve driven their oil industry into the ground: he could probably get them to build windmills all over the place
jewdog says
Bernie claims that he wants Socialism as they have in Scandinavia, but those countries have free market economies with strong safety nets. According to the Tax Institute, Sweden has one of the top ten competitive economies in the world. Bernie lives in la-la land. The only really Socialist countries left are Cuba and North Korea; Venezuela is a new member, as her economic plunge and autocracy attest.
James Lincoln says
Infidel,
Would it be great if we could encourage commie Bernie to move to Venezuela – permanently?
Infidel says
Yeah. Generally, elderly people tend to gravitate to Florida (this was even before Ron DeSantis), but in the case of Bernie and other senior Cold War era comrades who honeymooned in Yaroslavl, they could keep flying until their planes had their wheels down at Caracas or Havana
In fact, if Bernie could persuade Comrade Raul Castro to give up on fossil fuels and stop taking the generous free oil from Venezuela, it could be a win-win-win for everybody – Cuba, Venezuela and Climate change. He should take Comrade AOC w/ him to be his translator, since I have a strong suspicion that he doesn’t hablas español
jca reid. says
Seems odd that Western Muslim Apologists are just as hypocritical & dumb as their Muslim pals. Over the past several months the Mullahs have been broadcasting that, “Covid only kills the Kufar & the Jews. Allah makes them immune.” If their was a Muslim majority country that had developed a working vaccine, guaranteed the non-Muslim minority would not see hide or hair of a Covid Vaccine jab. They only care for themselves. As Churchill put it, “Muslims are only interested in minority Rights when they are in the minority. Once they are the majority, that goes right out of the window.”
gravenimage says
This quote is not actually from Churchill–still spot on, though.
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
Maybe the Bernster can sell some of his houses to compensate for the PA’s thefts and terrorist promoting economy. While he’s at it, he can ask Putin to sell his palatial estate and give back some of the money he’s stolen from the Russian treasury.
RonaldB says
Leftists are very bad at connecting cause-and-effect. I often think they simply have different brains than we do, and are perfectly sincere in making the most self-contradictory proposals.
James Lincoln says
RonaldB,
Leftists absolute abhor the use of factual, evidence-based logic.
When confronted with contradictions that expose the fallacy of their narrative, they deflect / attack, etc.
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
Q: What’s the last thing a PA terrorist bomber sees after he presses the detonator switch?
A: His asshole.
RonaldB says
I think the situation of the Palestinians vis a vis the Israelis will be the same as the blacks in the US. They throw water and stones at the police, hamstring the police with rules, march and protest whenever the police make an arrest that a black resists, and then blame the police for not caring when there is humungous crime in the black areas and no business wants to locate there.
But, the responsibility is still there. A sensible US government would imprison violent protesters, put a massive police force with authority to act in the black areas, and ignore the self-serving, grifting black leaders who make a fortune misleading their low-information constituents. In other words, in spite of all the black protests, crime in black areas is a tar baby and the government is stuck with it.
Similarly, you can point to the grifting Palestinian and Gazans (they are separate governments and hate each other) all day, but in the end, Israel will be seen, perhaps with some justification, as having some responsibility in the matter. Since a lot of the aid money goes through Israel, Israel should on its own withheld enough of the money to buy vaccines when they were available. Just as it was obvious the Palestinians would have to supply vaccines, it was obvious they wouldn’t. Instead of crying into the milk now, the Israelis should take the lesson in the future that in cases of public welfare, they will be seen as having a responsibility. Why not withhold the money, so all they need to provide is the administrative skills and incentive? It’s a twofer: they get the credit and it doesn’t cost them anything.
James Lincoln says
RonaldB says,
“I think the situation of the Palestinians vis a vis the Israelis will be the same as the blacks in the US.”
That’s certainly true of blacks in poor sections of Democrat run cities…
Brando says
You see that stupidity from Leftists and even from some who think they are Rational:
There are 4 INTERNET ENCYCLOPEDIAS
1.Wikipedia
2.CONSEVAPEDIA
3.WIKIISLAM
4. And RATIONALWIKI
Which is NOT that Rational: it has reliable info in some areas BUT: regarding the CRITICS of Islam.
AYAAN HIRSI ALI
She is Most Famous,Most Prestigious (along with ROBERT SPENCER) critic (and RATIONAL critic) of Islam and its dangers.
She is an Ex-Muslim from Somalia who has written books against Islam( using RATIONAL arguments).Her latest is PREY ( about the sexual attacks on European women by Muslim men )
Rationalwiki’s article on her is here:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali
It has Positive things but also Negative Comments that show the Author can’t bring himself to Understand that Islam ITSELF is the Problem,since it is INTRINSICALLY ANTI-HUMAN RIGHTS:
EXAMPLE 1
“In an interview with Irshad Manji on Fareed Zakaria’s show, Ayaan Hirsi Ali
UNIRONICALLY proposed Muslims should embrace CHRISTIANITY because Islam was flawed.
It would, in fact, be ironic to advocate REPLACING BAD IDEAS with MORE BAD ideas. ”
EXAMPLE 2
“She often retweets sensational or misleading op-eds about cancel-culture or woke culture
from Quillette and other right-wing media”
NOTE: QUILLETTE is a LIBERTARIAN (Not Conservative(Right) )website,
the Best One in AUSTRALIA
( and FAR better than REASON (US Libertarian “think tank”, that always has Articles Excusing Islam for being Anti-Human Rights )
EXAMPLE 3
“She is also a well known supporter of humanism, secularism and atheism.
However, over the years, it has become increasingly difficult to praise this work as her own narrative becomes MORE ISLAMOPHOBIC, CONSERVATIVE and, at times, RACIST. ”
EXAMPLE 4
“Ali is unlike classic wingnuts in that she splits her time fairly evenly between offering genuine, important critiques of Islam and
BEING a RAVING ISLAMOPHOBE,
although unfortunately it appears that lately she’s been slowly moving from the ‘legitimate criticism’ camp to the ‘jihadis are everywhere’ group that the AEI attracts. Whether her beliefs are moving further into outright bigotry, or if she’s playing to the crowd, is anyone’s guess.”
EXAMPLE 5
“The Southern Poverty Law Center considers Hirsi Ali an ANTI-MUSLIM EXTREMIST;
Hemant Mehta and Ophelia Benson strongly disagree.[21][22] HILARIOUSLY, Hirsi Ali’s prior comments do VERY LITTLE to SUPPORT Mehta and Benson’s defense of her.”
RonaldB says
Why even bother to refute (Ir)RationalWiki? They are obviously not only biased against conservatives, HBD followers, and actual scientists, but freely accuse them of being white nationalists, racists, Islamophobes, and whatever other leftists trope is floating around at the time the article was written. It’s a leftist shill site, and if you can’t get your information from sources that at least purport to be neutral in their presentation, you aren’t trying. The only use I can think of it is if you’re a leftist, and want to get your talking points in order.
Brando says
Hello,better reading and hearing is the Libertarian website QUILLETTE ( Australia),here is a recent podcast of theirs ( FEB 22 )
“Podcast 137: Sociologist NATHALIE HEINICH
on FRENCH ACADEMICS’ Opposition to America’s Race-Based Ideologies”
https://quillette.com/2021/02/22/podcast-137-sociologist-nathalie-heinich-on-french-academics-opposition-to-americas-race-based-ideologies/
CONTRARY TO POPULAR OPINION
Regarding ABORTION some Libertarians are against it (30%) or for it (70%).
5 days ago there was a debate about it between 2 of the most famous of the Spanish-speaking Libertarians, to my Amazement it was watched by many ( 1.2 MILLION in 5 days )
between GLORIA ALVAREZ( Guatemala,pro-choice ) and
AGUSTIN LAJE ( Argentine,pro-life)
Infidel says
People like Bernie, Stan Cohen, Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, Andrew Weisman, Sergei Brin, Steve Cohen, Debbie Wasserman Schulz, et al all make Judeophobia a lot more tempting to consider these days, despite my long time support to both Israel and Jews
gravenimage says
Infidel, there are plenty of clueless and Islamophilic Gentiles out there, as well.
Infidel says
Absolutely true!
James Lincoln says
Infidel,
Someone like, say, Bernie Sanders is a Jew in name only (JINO).
But you knew that already…
jewdog says
That’s far more true for American Jews who drink the Kool Aid that racism explains everything, including the jihad against Israel. Israeli Jews who live under the gun are less naive. Your point is very valid.
gravenimage says
Bernie Sanders Castigates Israel About Vaccinating Palestinians
………………………
What other people are supposed to care for their enemies–those who want to see them wiped out? Isreal already treats all those who areill or injured–including Jihad terrorists.
But it is never enough…
Rod says
I can’t quite believe I’m reading this:- “they did no planning, even many months into the pandemic,”
How amusing that after the Trump criminal mismanagement of the pandemic throughout 2020, (in the wealthiest, most advanced nation of the planet, Half a million deaths to date, world championships in total deaths and infections, one of the world’s worst rates of deaths per capita), Americans can ridicule the poor Palestinians for wrongly allocating their scarce financial resources, and suffering unnecessarily.
You’d think the USA , recognising that everyone can make mistakes, would be eager to offer technical and financial support where it’s obviously needed. Perhaps massive shipments of bleach or hydroxychloroquine? Or even an urgent shipment of anti-Covid vaccines?
Of course the Israelis have an excuse for callous indifference to suffering. Don’t they always?
gravenimage says
Ah, yes–Operation Warp Speed was a failure as “Rod” would have it…bad dhimmis!
And note that “Rod” doesn’t say why Israel has a moral mandate to supply the vaccine to those who want to destroy them. For that matter, why don’t wealthy Muslim states have a moral mandate to supply vaccines to Israelis? Of course, asking such a question would be “Islamophobic”…
Rod says
A moral mandate? Perhaps charity could begin at home. But Charity? Israel? Couldn’t happen!
Warp speed? Is that how you got to half a million deaths before anybody else?
“Trump speed” was the secret.
“they did no planning, even many months into the pandemic,” It wasn’t actually lack of planning. It was Trump’s refusal to allow planning. Genius!
James Lincoln says
Rod,
I get the fact that you do not like the way that Pres. Trump handled the pandemic in the United States.
Question:
If Joe Biden had been US Pres. at the start of the pandemic, how do you think that he would’ve handled them pandemic vis-à-vis morbidity and mortality directly due to Covid – and indirectly due to lockdowns?
And what would have been the projected results?
How would he have handled the economic impact of lockdowns?
Also, if you had been president, what would you have done?
gravenimage says
Israel treating everyone in their fine hospitals–including Jihadists plotting the destruction of Israel–free of charge if they cannot pay is indeed charity. But “Rod” cannot admit that Jews are charitable. Note that you do not find hospitals in dar-al-Islam doing the same for Jews or other Infidels.
Then, nine months to develop a vaccine *is* “warp speed”. Anyone can see that this is far faster than the development of previous vaccines. And this resulted in not a single vaccine, but in *three* highly effective vaccines. “Rod”. of course, is not impressed by anything of so great an achievement. No real surprise there…
James Lincoln says
Rod,
Thank you for your reply.
Infidel says
The bleach thing – Trump never said it. He asked – in response to a presentation by Dr Robert Redfield, where the latter talked about the pathogens being destructible by UV light – whether that light could be brought into the lungs, where the pathogens were having their effect. It was partly facetious, partly curious from someone not from the medical field
The hydroxycholoroquine sulphate – that was working fine until a fraudulent article appeared in the Lancet that caused a panic and a suspension in clinical tests involving this drug. The Lancet had to redact that article given all the holes that were pointed out, but by then, the damage was done: few were willing to even hold, let alone participate in, such clinical trials, despite its success in varying degrees. Had this been successful, all those pharmaceutical giants like Pfizer, Moderna. Astrazenica, et al couldn’t have made millions in a new vaccine or treatment, since this is something that’s been around for a century, and all its side effects are well known. To make things worse, pharmacies were instructed not to issue these even if prescribed by a doctor
The thing that I’m missing from this cretin’s argument is that if the US had so ‘criminally mismanaged’ this virus, how would we offer ‘technical support’ to achieve something we couldn’t even do ourselves? Also, why can’t the Palis do what other Arabs did – get the Sinovac vaccine from China or the Sputnik V from Russia and run their trials? Why is it up to Israel to manage their health care, when the agreements b/w the 2 clearly assigns the responsibility for healthcare to the Pali authority? When Israel is not doing it for any other Arab country, be it Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia or anyone else
Rod says
infidel, since we’re now discussing real facts, tell me, if Trump didn’t actually “mismanage” the pandemic, how did you get to half a million deaths so quickly? With all the expertise and resources the US has available, how could that happen? No mismanagement?
Some countries were taking urgent action while Americans were being told the virus would go away like a miracle, ignoring Dr Fauci, and speculating about disinfectants. Could that be relevant? I’m just a cretin who has heard about successful preventive programs quickly implemented elsewhere, so I wouldn’t know.
Hydroxychloraquine was never “working fine” except in treating what it is intended to treat. All reports I’ve seen say it is ineffective in treating Covid, and may have nasty side effects. After many clinical trials, it hasn’t now been abandoned by all of the world’s clinicians without good reason. Perhaps they’re all cretins too, and urgently in need of your expert knowledge.
Giacomo Latta says
If the US has totally mismanaged the pandemic internally, as you figure, then why are you so upset that they haven’t offered any help to others? Are you on some kind of death trip, genius?
Infidel says
Rod, last things first – hydroxychloroquine was working fine, and the only edge cases that didn’t were people who were already at death’s door. That wasn’t a bulk of the cases. What stopped it was that fraudulent Lancet article that had to be redacted, but by then, the panic had set in and the damage was done. The side effects are well known since it’s been in use for about a century, and off-label uses are common in the field
Dr Fauci is not a disease expert, and he’s been all over the place, be it on masks, kids going to school and what have you. In fact, more and more people are seeing him for what he is: a media-hungry whore who doesn’t want this thing to end, since it would also mean an end to his 15 minutes of fame. Only problem: most people do not have what he has: a secure job for life that he’s had since the 80s. In the meantime, doctors who have treated Chinavirus patients and had different observations and conclusions have been happily censored by social media, since along w/ Dr Fauci, Zuckerberg, Dorsey and Gates are now infectious disease experts
The reason there were half a million deaths were the bad mismanagement by states, particularly New York and California. Main culprit was states packing Chinavirus patients into nursing homes. That was more an individual governor policy, rather than a Trump policy, since states get to maintain their healthcare systems, and all that the feds were doing was supplying them things like PPEs, ventilators and so on
James Lincoln says
Infidel,
From what I can find, you appear to be right about Dr. Fauci’s credentials. From the NIH and Liberty Nation websites:
“Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., …received his medical degree from Cornell University Medical College in 1966. He then completed an internship and residency at The New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center.”
“After completing his residency in internal medicine, he joined the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in 1968”
So, Dr. Fauci did a residency in internal medicine. This type of residency is general in nature. Infectious disease topics are covered, as they also would be in a family practice residency, but that is not a specific fellowship in infectious diseases.
It appears that Dr. Fauci, after finishing his internal medicine residency, went directly into academics.
https://www.oar.nih.gov/about/fauci
https://www.libertynation.com/the-fauci-timeline-sorting-fact-from-fiction/
Rod says
Bad management by the states? Perhaps you needed a leader, who could lead. Isn’t that what you elect leaders to do?
Curious that all the health authorities all over the world have failed to take advantage of the miraculous curative powers of hydroxy. Not one of them persevered with a proven effective treatment? Cretins, all of them?
Fauci has been all over the place? Unlike Dr Trump, who set the right course from the outset? Thousands of infected people allowed into the country with no controls (but no Chinese or Muslims), masks ridiculed, bogus treatments, it will disappear, huge rallies to ensure rapid spread, no need to fear the virus, expert advice ignored and ridiculed, PPE supplies inadequate and uncoordinated.
Hence, half a million dead. There is a reason this happened. It was on display all over the world. We all watched it happen. We learned from your mistakes. Good luck with convincing us we didn’t see it.
Meanwhile just across the northern border…..Fewer infections, fewer deaths, thousands of lives saved by applying common sense. A miracle!
FDR’s motto – “The buck stops here”
Trump’s motto, and the motto of his disciples – “They’re all cretins”.
And still, having displayed their stupidity to the world, Americans can ridicule the poor Palestinians because “they did no planning”. Beyond belief!
James Lincoln says
Infidel,
You are correct regarding the bleach issue – as well as the hydroxychloroquine issue.
Pres. Trump never said to drink bleach. It was actually Sleepy Joe who said that Trump had recommended it.
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/13/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/
You are also correct about the Lancet hydroxychloroquine study. It was retracted because the company that provided data would not provide full access to the information for a third-party peer review.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-study
RonaldB says
On hydroxychloroquine: here is a 2021 study showing its effectiveness with Covid-19
https://oathkeepers.org/2021/01/the-american-journal-of-medicine-now-recommends-hcq-for-covid19/
It was mentioned on Fox. I had to see the screen shot of the journal and do a specific search for the article. If I did a search for “hydroxychloroquine effectiveness” that article never showed up in the search results.
Personally, I think Trump made a mistake by not following his instincts and calling the lockdowns off by Easter, 2020.
As far as Fauci, I don’t know if he gained qualifications through experience, but Fox News has shown that Fauci’s institute funded the Wuhan Institute, where the virus was developed and escaped, for several million dollars to enhance deadly viruses, exactly what they did.
Infidel says
James, I checked your webmd link, and the reason provided for withholding the data was extremely lame! The data could easily have been provided after deleting all client personal details, which would be necessary anyway under HIPPA laws (for the US)
The tragedy is that all countries went w/ WHO guidelines, despite WHO’s ineptitude and complicity in working w/ the Chicoms: they could have easily conducted some more field trials w/ this while waiting for the vaccines. As it is, one vaccine – the Sinovac – is completely useless for anyone above 65, which is what the Pakis found out, and they are the largest foreign customer of the Sinovac. Hydroxychloroquine could definitely have beaten that!
Rod says
The American Journal of Medicine needs Oathkeepers to publish and interpret its findings? Are you kidding? Actually, a Journal doesn’t make findings. It reports other people’s findings.
In this case, it reported that:
“In a retrospective inpatient study of 2541 patients hospitalized with COVID-19, therapy associated with an adjusted reduction in mortality was HCQ alone (hazard ratio [HR] = 0.34, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.25-0.46, P <0.001) and HCQ with azithromycin (HR = 0.29, 95% CI 0.22-0.40, P <0.001)."
I don't know what that means, but nobody here is "recommending" anything. Perhaps the Oathkeepers will decode it for us. Seems unlikely. Obviously RonaldB isn't going to.
But if you'd like to delve further into matters you and I don't understand, here's an extract in intelligible language from an article from The Lancet, January 21, 2021:
"Because the evidence to date increasingly suggests no beneficial role for hydroxychloroquine for either treatment or prophylaxis, we believe ongoing hydroxychloroquine studies should be reported, but that future studies and resources would be better focused on other emerging possible treatments."
Meanwhile, has anybody got any evidence that anybody anywhere is using Hydroxy systematically to treat Covid? Does it work? Why haven't we heard about it? Why is it so important to a few fanatics when everybody else has forgotten about it?
RonaldB says
OK. When I have to eat crow, I have to eat crow.
The American Journal of Medicine is a prestigious magazine. You can go directly to their website, and don’t have to bother your head about the oathkeepers.
In fact, the American Journal of Medicine goes out of its way to emphasize it is not recommending hydroxychloroquine:
https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(21)00092-9/fulltext
“The AJM is neither a regulatory agency nor an arbiter of political and scientific disputes. The AJM is a vehicle of communication employed by scientists and clinicians to report information that is potentially useful to physicians throughout the world. It is completely inaccurate to claim that the AJM has endorsed a therapeutic intervention. “
Rod says
From Prof Infidel:
“As it is, one vaccine – the Sinovac – is completely useless for anyone above 65, which is what the Pakis found out, and they are the largest foreign customer of the Sinovac. Hydroxychloroquine could definitely have beaten that!”
As I understand it, Sinovac has proved very effective for people aged up to 60. Conclusive data isn’t yet available for those over 60, so no claims have yet been made.
The claim that Hydroxy “could have beaten that” (in the glaring absence of any supporting info), perhaps stems from the now popular belief that Hydroxy was always useless for every age group.
Pakistan has commenced its vaccination program using a first shipment of Sinopharm. Other vaccines, including Sinovac and Sputnik, and AstraZeneca via Covex, are expected to be received and put into use shortly.
Pray Hard says
Just STFU, Bernie. You’re irrelevant.