Well, yes, Tayyip. A society can either protect Muslims’ sacred values by laws restricting what is considered offensive to those values, or can protect the freedom of thought, which will mean that various groups will have to put up with being offended. If one group is shielded from offense, that group can work its will unimpeded and unopposed. So essentially, Europe can submit to Sharia blasphemy laws, or stand for freedom. Which it (and the U.S. and Canada) will choose is fairly obvious at this point, despite France’s meager efforts toward protecting the freedom of expression.
“Erdoğan blames West for staying hesitant on Islamophobia,” Hürriyet Daily News, February 7, 2021:
The Western World is hesitant to take measures against the growing threat of Islamophobia, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Feb. 6.
“Attacks on Muslims’ sacred values are being persistently disregarded under the pretext of freedom of thought. Projects like European Islam, French Islam, and Austrian Islam are being used simultaneously to pressure Muslims,” Erdoğan said, addressing a meeting with a delegation of the Union of International Democrats (UID).
“These projects, introduced under the cover of a fight against extremism, are aimed at cutting off European Muslims’ ties with their homelands and the Islamic ummah,” Erdoğan stated.
He emphasized that none of the “attacks targeting Turkey are coincidental” and that those who couldn’t subdue Turkey in Libya, Syria, the Aegean, the eastern Mediterranean, and most recently in Nagorno-Karabakh are now working to “sabotage Turkey through asymmetrical methods and baseless allegations and accusations.”
“This is one of the reasons behind the animosity against Turks and Muslims which has become more visible in Europe with the outbreak of COVID-19. We receive almost on daily basis news of the people who face attacks or see their rights usurped just because they are Turks and Muslims,” Erdoğan said….
“Burning the Quran in Sweden, ripping it in Norway, and encouraging caricatures insulting our Prophet under the pretext of press freedom are just a few examples of the attacks targeting our sacred values,” he added.
Johnny B says
If you’re easily offended, Europe is no place for you. That should come as no surprise.
mortimer says
Yes, for a Muslim, it is ‘offensive’ if a kafir openly disagrees with any aspect of Islam.
Europe in theory has freedom of expression, so Europe is not the place for Sharia law which suppresses freedom of expression. Islam is mainly an aggressive political ideology with religion as its theoretical justification.
Europeans are starting to awaken and realize that Islam is not coming to Europe in order to coexist, but to dominate every aspect, including to dominate all communication.
Erdogan is merely reiterating the program of Sharia law to suppress discussion that is not Islamic and to suppress any expression of dissent against the Islamic political program.
Johnny B says
I agree Europeans are learning more and more about the reality of Islam, but I also get the sense that many will still imply you’re a racist and a bigot if you bring it up, especially if they think it will make themselves look better in the eyes of others. It’s usually people with very low self-esteem who never accomplished anything in life, they can be very aggressive in their attempts to identify “Islamophobes” they can try and pick on to make themselves look a little better. At least in their own eyes. A lot of good people that are not like that don’t want to deal with this, unfortunately. But we have to, otherwise Islam will without a doubt conquer Europe within 50 years if it not sooner.
James Lincoln says
Johnny B says,
“…Europeans are learning more and more about the reality of Islam, but I also get the sense that many will still imply you’re a racist and a bigot if you bring it up…”
One should never be bothered about being called a racist and a bigot for speaking the truth about islam. In this case, the labels are nonsensical…
David says
Johnny, do muslims ever wonder why people don’t like them? Probably not…
gravenimage says
David, I just found an interesting poll–“those with no prejudice against Muslims know least about Islam”. This is about a third of the way down the article:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/157082/islamophobia-understanding-anti-muslim-sentiment-west.aspx
Of course, I would not use the term “prejudice”–it just means that those not leery of Muslims seldom know anything about the threat of Islam. No real surprise there.
Westman says
Erdogan is personally offended:
“These projects, introduced under the cover of a fight against extremism, are aimed at cutting off European Muslims’ ties with their homelands and the Islamic ummah,” Erdoğan stated.
Finally, the truth. He is angry because some EU nations wouldn’t let him campaign there for his last “election”. He also believes, mistakenly, that being of the sharia-bound ummah supercedes European citizenship. The EU nations should stop this nonsense by revoking dual citizenship.
David says
Westman, instead of ‘cutting off European Muslims’ ties with their homelands and the Islamic ummah’ why not invite them all to go to Turkey, where they will feel more at home, living in an islamic ‘paradise’?
gravenimage says
+1
Cyrus Basile says
Non sarà facile scacciare i musulmani dall’ Europa, ormai se ne contano a decine di milioni, e loro non se ne andranno facilmente, quindi i maledetti porteranno la guerra a casa nostra
AleX says
Hai ragione fintanto che la narrativa multiculturale ci spinge giù per la gola. Ma i venti del cambiamento stanno arrivando.
mortimer says
Sono d’accordo con Cyrus. Ma, piuttosto, penso che dovremmo vedere la situazione come un’opportunità per convertire i musulmani al cristianesimo o almeno per convincerli che il Corano è un testo di origine meramente umana.
Check Burry says
I recon most will support being attacked verbally as a winner compared to beheadings, lorry/truck squashing, smiting with pointy objects in general. That is the choice folks.
mortimer says
Muslims are more and more open to discussions that reveal the merely human origin of the Koran.
gravenimage says
Well, except for the ones who will murder you for so much as mentioning it…
Michael Copeland says
“, a people who adhere to a belief grounded in the teachings of an illiterate Arab warlord, liar, slaver, polygamist, political assassin and ethnic cleanser who claimed he got his inspirations when sleeping with a nine-year-old girl are in no position to claim to be offended by anything.”
Comment by ‘wileyvet’ at Frontpage Mag
James Lincoln says
+1
David says
“I didn’t come here to be insulted!” ” Where do you usually go?” (lol)
Peter Buckley says
It must be awful to be a devout muslim in these times, constantly trying to think of ways of stopping people telling obvious truths about Islam. But Islam is now officially the Religion of Impotent Rage, Erdogan is getting on in years now, but I’m afraid things are only going to get worse for him in the future:
The meme of “Islamophobia” will soon be gone, as it’s unsustainable, and “it’s all gonna fall on these media giants soon enough”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_JHlNqVLY
Indeed…..
mortimer says
Reply to PB: well, at the moment there is a rapid and determined push to deplatform as many conservatives as possible. PB is simply not paying attention to it.
The Gleichschaltung is here.
somehistory says
Just how do you know “PB is simply not paying attention to it”?
gravenimage says
I *hope* you are right, Peter.
Michael Copeland says
“animosity against Turks and Muslims” – Shock! Unacceptable!
What does Islam teach?
“between us and you animosity and hatred forever” – Koran 60:4.
mortimer says
The animosity and hostility and hatred chiefly come from Islam. Critical thought is concerned with criticizing bad ideas and correcting them.
Jihad is one of those ‘bad ideas’ and jihad is the most important pillar of Islam.
Jayell says
How can muslims’ values possibly be ‘sacred’ when they’re clearly based on an entirely fraudulent pseudo-religious fabrication cynically plagiarised from genuine sources only in order to validate the crude political ambitions of criminal Dark Age Middle Eastern psychopathic warlord? You might as well bemoan the theft of counterfeit banknotes manufactured to finance a backstreet vice racket.
Mount Zion says
Erdogan says :” Attacks on muslims’ sacred values are disregarded under thr pretext of freedom of thought .” I say :” Attacks on westerner’s sacred values are disregatded by muslim supremacist under the pretext of offending Islam . And by the way , burning the Quran and encouraging caricatures of their false prophet is only meant to show that we will not bow to violent intimidation .Why is it that I as a westerner have to explain the reason for burning the Quran while they don’t need to justifie Charkie Hebdo or Samuel Pathy . If Erdogan feels their sacred values are disregarded then muslims better not come to western countries , why do they keep flocking to the West if we are so bad .
mortimer says
Yes, agree with MZ’s approach of turning the tables and using the same argument against Erdogan. Islam attack’s our Western values (really universal values) by calling our critical thought ‘KUFR’.
(‘Kufr’ means wrong worship and that includes all disagreement with or dissent from Islam.)
Erdogan is hoping to create incidents which will inflame Muslims to start a worldwide jihad with Erdogan leading it. He is becoming more and more psychopathic fuelled by jihadism.
mortimer says
Good point from MZ: ” why do (Muslims) keep flocking to the West if we are so bad?”
Indeed, they do and the reason many Muslim migrants give is that they love the very freedom that Erdogan denounces.
Westman says
Exactly.
gravenimage says
Alas, many Muslims are coming here in a Hijira to turn the civilized West into another part of Dar-al-Islam.
newsupplements says
What effing cheek this so called diplomat Erdogan…. to dictate to us what shall be our policy whilst noting that Islam is totally and undeniably incompatible with western values. We are all Islamophobes
now having seen what is going on in Turkey, parts of Africa, Syria etc.
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
From the creep that converted the Hajia Sophia to a nazi-muslim meeting center. What a Hitler.
Mauricio says
Exactly. I hope he is feeling now what a lot of people felt when he converted churches into mosques. Just take a look at what the turks recently did:
https://orthodoxtimes.com/turkey-canceled-an-event-for-greek-language/
Roger Blake says
Western sacred values like free speech are persistently disregarded under the pretext of Islamophobia and offending Muslims.
somehistory says
+100
somehistory says
“Union of International Democrats”…Are any of these from the U.S.? If so, his arrogance might get a hearing ear.
Freedom of speech…moslims want to take it; moslims want us to give it up willingly and if not, at the point of a sword.
Freedom of religion…moslims claim we don’t have any; moslims say we must worship satan with them, we must bow down to the devi;l and his evil lies must become our ‘truth.’
Freedom of thought….moslims want us to only think what they want us to think…actually, moslims don’t ‘think,’ they just react to what others do and say, then spout nonsense and lies, but they want to keep us from thinking about how evil and dangerous islam is and how dangerous it makes moslims behave.
This son of satan is a liar, just as his demon father is a liar and wants all of us to fear telling the Truth.
If the West is fighting against what moslims are trying to do, it’s a good thing. But the fight is not going on as strongly as it should.
“Oppose the devil and he will flee from you,” wrote the Apostle Peter.
There is nothing “sacred” about islam. It is evil to its core. The Truth about its origins must be exposed. If moslims want to label this Truth telling as a “phobia,” and bemoan the fact that intelligent, moral, thinking people don’t like islam, then that is their ‘right,’ but it is not their ‘right’ to force us into satan’s mold.
Infidel says
Like some Turkey observers have noted here in the past, Erdogan is just another Ayatollah, but in a suit. Which goes quite a bit in convincing others that he’s not a Jihadist
James Lincoln says
Yes, Infidel.
A “Brooks Brothers” jihadi…
GreekEmpress says
I could tell you what I think he should do with his “sacred values”, but I try to maintain civil discourse on any site I visit.
The nerve to say such a thing after the genocide the Turks committed which even now goes on in Artsakh.
somehistory says
I have never used profanity or vulgar language or cursed….but snakes like him have made me come closer than is comfortable for my conscience.
There is a book, “Snakes in Suits.” It’s an interesting book. About the psychopath who has a high level position…in politics, business, medical, legal, etc. er snake a wan is a psychopath who wears a suit. Psychopaths never tell the truth and never apologize or admit an error or mistake, wrong of any kind.
Boycott Turkey says
Greek Empress I agree he has a nerve to talk about values after committing genocide in Artaksh and turning Agia Sophia to a mosque he should be in jail Erdogan and imran Khan can’t stand the fact people are waking up to what Islam is all about so they trying to silent people
Rarely says
If they stopped their jihad against the rest of the World we would loose interest in them. Our “interest” and subsequent “islamophobia” is in reaction to their aggression and not the cause of it. Pretty obvious to everyone but them.
Check Burry says
Exactly.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Rarely.
S.A.F.I says
Nice try Erdolf but the real news is how murderous muslim jihadi attacks against western and non-western “kufar” as well as their churches and other places of worship let aside their “sacred values” are persistently disregarded under the pretext of combatting so-called “islamophobia” and avoiding “offending” muslim radicals sensibilities or to appease dangerous foreign dictators such as you or your pal Imran Khan
James Lincoln says
The “islamophobe” label is used to shut down truthful discussion about islam.
In the same way, truthful discussion about the 2020 US Presidential Election is shut down by labeling anyone questioning it as an “unhinged conspiracy theorist” – or worse…
Rarely says
Sixty-one Courts held a “truthful discussion”.
James Lincoln says
Rarely,
Consider this:
“Trump Won Two-Thirds of Election Lawsuits Where Merits Considered”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-won-two-thirds-of-election-lawsuits-where-merits-considered_3688543.html
somehistory says
The NYT ( if I’ve remembered the pub correctly) published an article with the dems telling…bragging about…how “they did it.”
Now, one of their top operatives has spilled the beans about the computer program used…that it changes votes.
And the combined information from the arrests concerning the ‘riot’ at the Capitol show that the riot was planned in advance and had nothing to do with Mr. Trump’s speech.
Had the Truth been allowed to come out, and had the Courts actually allowed the cases to go forward, things would be a lot different. The SCOTUS is scheduling hearings on the 19th to decide if the cases that were brought to it, but delayed, will be considered in October.
But, the “winners” don’t want any of this mentioned.
somehistory says
Correction” Time Mag.
“In a surprisingly brazen article, “The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election,” Time magazine chronicles a myriad of pre- and post-election actions taken by a loose coalition of Democratic operatives, grassroots activists, mainstream media, tech companies, and corporate CEOs before and after the 2020 presidential election.”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/time-magazine-article-points-to-a-controlled-election_3688393.html?
gravenimage says
Erdogan: ‘Attacks on Muslims’ sacred values are persistently disregarded under the pretext of freedom of thought’
…………………….
Ah, yes–their “sacred values” like crushing freedom of speech, punishing “blasphemers”, raping Infidel women, and mass slaughtering unbelievers.
OLD GUY says
Erdogan is the thought police, who will persecute and enslave, and murder those who do not submit to islam. The leadership of Erdogan looks a lot like the play book of the NAZI party of Hitler. Mind control means total control over the masses with no questions or opposition. Bad News.