Issac Bailey is a columnist and a professor of Public Policy at Davidson College in North Carolina. He writes in Newsweek: “If Christianity can convince so many to follow a man like Trump almost worshipfully—or couldn’t at least help millions discern the unique threat Trump represented—what good is it really?”
This is confused thinking in all sorts of ways. Trump is not and never claimed to be the leader of a Christian sect. Millions of people didn’t support Trump because of Christianity, but because of the policies he stood for and implemented. But Bailey’s thinking gets even more confused than that. On December 6, 2020, he tweeted: “In the aftermath of 9/11, some Americans warned politicians would use that horrific event to pass laws that stifled freedom and targeted Muslims. They were right. That’s what’s being referred to here. Beheadings should not be used to target Muslims and excuse racism.”
He is setting up a straw man here, as no decent person wants to “target Muslims” or “excuse racism.” Anyway, his point is that jihad terror should not have been considered to reflect poorly on Islam and thereby lead to this alleged “targeting” of Muslims.
But if he can say that Trump is so evil that he is struggling with his Christianity because many Christians support Trump, why doesn’t the same reasoning go for Islam? Issac Bailey does not write and likely never would dream of writing something like this: “If Islam can convince so many to follow a man like Osama bin Laden or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi almost worshipfully—or couldn’t at least help millions discern the unique threat they and others like them represented—what good is it really?”
To say such a thing would be “Islamophobic,” and it is easy to get the impression from his published writings that Issac Bailey, like the overwhelming majority of his professorial colleagues, would assiduously avoid any appearance of “Islamophobia.”
Bailey’s confusion on these issues goes back years. In 2015, he wrote:
For awhile now, I’ve been asking people a simple question.
If the terrorist organization ISIL is Islamic, and represents something profound about that faith, does the same standard apply to Christianity and the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan?
I haven’t gotten many good answers, or any direct ones, actually.
I’ve usually posed the question to people who most adamantly believe that because ISIL said it is adhering to its faith, the group’s members must be true Muslims.
“Islam is right there, in their name!” they shout.
That clarity of conviction disappears when talk turns to the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, a group that had long operated in South Carolina, inflicting terror on black residents, those who supported them and others deemed undesirables.
All right. But it is unclear which point of view Bailey himself favors. Does he think the KKK is un-Christian, or does he think that the Islamic State is un-Islamic? It seems likely that he wants to shame Christians by making them admit that the Klan is Christian, yet here again, it is virtually certain that he would never dare to ask “what good is it really” about Islam under any circumstances. The academic environment all over the country today, and in Europe as well, is anti-Christian and pro-Islam. Most academics are all too willing to make the leaps of logic necessary to sustain this perspective.
“I’m Struggling with My Christianity After Trump,” by Issac Bailey, Newsweek, February 8, 2021:
I’m struggling to hold fast to my Christianity— because of Donald Trump. Not exactly Trump himself, though, but the undying support of the self-professed Christian pro-life movement that he enjoyed. My faith is in tatters because of that alliance. And I am constantly wondering if I am indirectly complicit because I dedicated my life to the same Jesus the insurrectionists prayed to in the Capitol building after ransacking it and promising to kill those who didn’t do their bidding.
If Christianity can convince so many to follow a man like Trump almost worshipfully—or couldn’t at least help millions discern the unique threat Trump represented—what good is it really?…
Cathryn Paradise says
Obviously this so called Christian doesn’t read his Bible which is sad as millions of people who call themselves Christians have never read it once much less daily. Beheading is part of the law of Islam.
mortimer says
Jesus separated religion from politics (‘Give to Caesar … Give to God’) and Jesus also preached the parable of the ‘Good Samaritan’ which has no parallel in Islam. Many Christian scholars (and Trump himself) have criticized the errors of the Ku Klux Klan and similar organizations.
Bailey’s critiques are intentional mischaracterization and libel.
jim says
I suppose that is true, but religions are not just their scriptures. Traditions become part of the religion too. The pope, college of cardinals, saints, Aquinas, Augustine, Christmas and Easter traditions and many other aspects of Christian traditions are also part of what Christianity is. Jesus did not condemn slavery, but Christians generally do, at least today. So, of course it is not enough to compare the Koran and the Bible or the teachings of Jesus and those of Mohammed. But these are very important. It does seem to me that the left has used Trump as a placeholder for evil, but the real Trump is anything but what the left claims. In Christian scholarship there is a distinction between the historical Jesus and the theological Jesus, and perhaps that is also true in Islam,. But apparetly there is no room for interpretation or theological development in Islam. I suppose this scholar is a leftist rather than a strict constructionist of Christian faith.
Jayell says
‘Jesus separated religion from politics (‘Give to Caesar … Give to God’)’
That’s a very, very good point indeed and demonstrates the enormous chasm between proper Christianity and that totalitarian political fraud known as ‘islam’. The only problem now is that the ‘Christian Establishment’ has been infiltrated by the political left and Marxism, so, if we have any respect for Jesus Christ, we have to ignore most of the ‘churches’ and just go straight back to the Good Book.
somehistory says
+100
James Lincoln says
Yes, Jayell.
Jesus drew a sharp separation between church and state…
Ben Nibbble says
What will it take for me to share your comment with someone who is uninformed about Islam?
gravenimage says
Ben, you can copy the comment, or you can click on the date and then press control-L then control-C, and that will give you the link to pass on to others. You can paste the link into a comment by pressing control-V.
Ben Nibbble says
Thanks.
gravenimage says
🙂
very old white guy says
That “professor” is a mental midget. He is not a Christian.
Rob Porter says
very old white guy – He truly is “a mental midget”, but unfortunately like many academics in the cowardly West who refuse to condemn Islam for it’s barbaric teachings and the barbaric actions of Islam’s followers.
Said this imbecile, “Beheadings should not be used to target Muslims and excuse racism.” Well, if not ‘target’ them, their beheadings should at least cause them as a group to be regard with some suspicion and wariness when their holy book advocates beheadings of infidels. Regarding ‘racism’, evidently this nincompoop confuses Islam and Muslims with ‘race’.
James Lincoln says
A “confused” university professor.
What else is new?
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Good point. But ya gotta admire his sense of certitude.
Ben Nibbble says
And why would I have to admire his certitude if it would lead to the Islamic domination of America?
gravenimage says
Alarmed Pig Farmer is being facetious, Ben. He has a dry sense of humor.
mortimer says
Dear JL, this is much more than casual ‘confusion’ … Bailey’s mischaracterizations are intentional, slanderous libels.
James Lincoln says
Very likely so, mortimer.
mortimer says
Reply to APF: No! I don’t admire someone who deliberately slanders you and me.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
If Christianity can convince so many to follow a man like Trump almost worshipfully…
Christianity had nothing to do with Trump’s following, it was his commitment to the pursuit of national self-interest and the goal of restoring the rule of law that drove support for Trump.
Statements like this one from Isaac Bailey are self-occlusion, the refusal to see what is there and replace it with apparent irrationality. Kind of like refusing to see what’s in the Holy Ko-Ran, the hadiths and sacralized histories of Islam, and instead accepting as apparent fact the ROP apologetics foisted on us daily by Moslems and their abettors in academe and mass media.
Honest Ali says
If he is struggling, he never had any faith to begin with. And he has obviously never read the Bible or the Qur’an, or he would know better. For a professor to be so willfully ignorant to have never read those two books, is shameful.
I am an Atheist, so it means something when I say that.
mortimer says
If he is actually ‘struggling’ (and not lying about it in order to slander Republicans) then Bailey will give Robert Spencer a call. I will not hold my breath. I think Bailey is not serious about having his bigoted prejudices challenged.
Honest Ali says
I agree.
mortimer says
How can someone as befuddled and disturbed in his thinking like Issac Bailey get a job instructing others?
NOTE: The KKK was actually based on the model of Islamic jihadists, rather than on Christianity.
The KKK even has a ‘holy’ book called the ‘KLORAN’. (- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kloran)
Robert Spencer correctly points out that Americans (of all creeds and none) voted for Donald Trump simply because of his ‘AMERICA FIRST’ policy, rather than because he promoted Christianity. Trump promoted economic nationalism.
Issac Bailey makes too many errors of thought for him to remain in academia.
His purported ‘clinching argument’ comparing the KKK to ISIS is a perfect example of Bailey’s mental and spiritual confusion.
(FOR MORE INFORMATION, READ THE FOLLOWING ABOUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN ISLAM AND THE KU KLUX KLAN: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/10/islam-and-the-rebirth-of-the-ku-klux-klan )
Ben Nibbble says
“How can someone as befuddled and disturbed in his thinking like Issac Bailey get a job instructing others?”
Because too many of us are uninformed about Islam.
And because too many of us who are informed are not sharing what we know with enough patriots who are uninformed.
gravenimage says
True about the “Kloran”, Mortimer.
Aastra says
yeah right next would be no no crusades were based on islamic jihad LOL.
gravenimage says
The Crusades were largely a defensive reaction to the Muslim abuse, attacks on, and enslavement of Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land.
Johnny B says
If he really feel he’s struggling with his Christian faith because of Donald Trump or something that has to do with him, then I’m afraid it has nothing to do with Trump at all. My faith could never be shaken that easily and certainly not by any man or his actions, followers or whatever excuse I might use to question my own faith. It really should be based on a personal relationship with God, Jesus. How could Trump ever disrupt that, how could Biden or my own prime minister, I don’t get it??? Anyway, I hope and pray he finds his way back to God.
mortimer says
To JB: Bailey is actually saying he hates Republicans and feels justified in hating them (not very Christian of Bailey). I bet there are many Republicans who go to his church, but they keep quiet about it around him, because Bailey is outspoken, arrogant, smug and intolerant.
If Bailey would just sit down and listen (in humility) to his fellow churchmen, he would learn all the legitimate reasons they love President Trump.
I think Bailey’s real ‘struggle’ is to be humble with anyone who has a different point of view.
somehistory says
Want to see what a full-blown idiot looks like? Take a glance at the photo above.
He never was a Christian or he would not have made these anti-Christian, anti-truth statements.
moslims are “connected to beheadings.” Hasn’t this “professor” seen the videos and photos of moslims standing behind kneeling Christians, holding swords with which they murdered the Christians by beheading them? There have been too many of these for any person of integrity, honesty, self-respect, to deny that they happen. If he ever was Christian, he doesn’t seem to be bothered by the horrible murders of his “fellow believers.”
He’s against Christianity because he’s denying its worth. He’s blaming Christianity for what some people did at the Capitol…many of whom were there working for the dems who are now trying to impeach Mr. Trump for something they themselves did…the bm and the antifa mobsters were the guilty individuals, not Christians.
These things show he is not Christian, so he doesn’t have to say how much it hurts a “faith” he doesn’t have.
His purpose? The same as the moslims like i omar and r tlaib.
Eyes Can See says
Here is another so called professor in a major university spewing his uneducated vomit out for the world to see. It is obvious as with most of these leftist indoctrinated lemmings that they have not read the Koran or the Bible for that matter. So they expound on things they know nothing about. I like to call “Islamaphobia” a fine example of a process to protect ourselves form the horrifying and evil tenets of the Koran based “teachings” from a tyrannical power hungry pedophile and rapist slave owner.. It is not a phobia. It is a defense.
mortimer says
Bailey maintains that beheadings don’t originate in Islam. Doesn’t Bailey check his facts before blurting out nonsense?
Beheading in Sharia Law (Reference)
“As for the captives, the amir [ruler] has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first to put them to death by CUTTING THEIR NECKS; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Allah, may he be exalted, says, ‘When you encounter those [infidels] who deny [the Truth=Islam] then strike [their] necks’ (Qur’an sura 47, verse 4)” — Abu’l-Hasan al-Mawardi, al-Ahkam as-Sultaniyyah (The Laws of Islamic Governance)
Here following is what an American PROFESSOR of HISTORY says about BEHEADING in Islam:
“Islam is the ONLY major world religion today that is cited by both state and non-state actors to LEGITIMIZE BEHEADINGS. And two major aspects of DECAPITATION in an Islamic context should be noted: first, the practice has both QUR’ANIC and HISTORICAL SANCTION. It is not the product of a fabricated tradition. Second, in CONTRADICTION to the assertions of apologists, both Muslim and non-Muslim, these BEHEADINGS are not simply a brutal method of drawing attention to the Islamist political agenda and weakening opponents’ will to fight. Zarqawi and other Islamists who practice DECAPITATION believe that God has ordained them to obliterate their enemies in this manner. Islam is, for this determined minority of Muslims, anything but a “religion of peace.” It is, rather, a religion of the SWORD with the BLADE forever AT THE THROAT of the unbeliever.
-Timothy Furnish is assistant professor of history at Georgia Perimeter College in Atlanta
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To Bailey : LEARN SOMETHING.
Michael Copeland says
Jesus did not have a sword called “Neck Cleaver”.
mortimer says
MC is correct: Mohammed’s NINE swords had names; one was called ‘Backbone-Cleaver’.
Mohammed owned a sword called ‘The Backbone Cleaver’ (Arabic: Dhu-al-fiqar). The idea is that it will cut through the spinal column in order to remove a man’s head. Mohammedans think the name is ‘cool’.
In Mohammed’s official biography, The Sira, we read: “When the apostle arrived at the home of his family he gave his sword to his daughter Fatima, saying, ‘Wash the blood from it, little one. By Allah, it has been true to me today.’ Ali, too, gave her his sword and said, ‘Take this and wash the blood from it. By Allah, it has been true to me today’. The name of the apostle’s sword was Dhul‑Faqar.” – Chap.14 – Uhud, Sirat Rasoul Allah
One Muslim proudly made the following, erroneous exegesis “-the sword dhu-alfiqar is of great importance in Islam the word “DHUL” means two [as in the edges of the sword] and “FIKQAAR” mean the backbone….so in short DHU-AL FIQAAR is the backbone of islam”
In fact, ‘Dhu’ from Syriac means “the one that” and fiqaar means “cutting between the vertebrae”: it means “Spine-breaker” or “Spine-splitter”.
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Muhammad had nine swords: 2 through inheritance, 3 as booty, and some from being given as gifts. Eight of the nine swords of Muhammed are in the Topkapi Palace, Turkey. The 9th one is in Cairo, Egypt.
Al-’Adb (Arabic: العَضب) is the name of sword meaning “cutting” or “sharp.” This sword was sent to Muhammad by one of his friends just before the Battle of Badr. Muhammad also used this sword at the Battle of Uhud and his followers used it to demonstrate their fealty to him. Currently the sword is in the Husain mosque in Cairo, Egypt.[1]
Al-Ma’thur (Arabic: المأثُوُر), also known as “Ma’thur al-Fijar” is the sword which was owned by Muhammad before he received his first revelations in Mecca. This sword was given to him due to the will of his father. When Muhammad migrated from Mecca to Medina, the sword remained with him until it was transferred to Ali ibn Abi Talib, along with other war equipment. The length of blade of this sword is 99 cm . The handle is make of gold in the shape of two serpents, and is encrusted with emeralds and turquoise. Near the handle is an inscription saying: Abdullah ibn Abdul-Muttalib. This sword is housed in the Topkapi Museum, Istanbul.
Ar-Rasub (Arabic: الرسَّوب). It is said that the weapons of the house of Muhammad were kept among his family just like the Ark was kept with the Israelites. The sword is preserved in the Topkapi museum, Istanbul. The blade of this sword is 140 cm in length. It has gold circles.
Al-Battar (Arabic: البَتَّار) sword was taken by Muhammad as booty from the Banu Qaynaqa. It is called the “sword of the prophets” and is inscribed in Arabic with the names of David, Solomon, Moses, Aaron, Joshua, Zechariah, John, Jesus, and Muhammad. It also has a drawing of King David cutting off the head of Goliath. The sword also features a Nabataean inscription.[2] The length of blade of this sword is 101 cm. It is currently in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, along with eight of the nine preserved swords of Muhammad. It is claimed by some to be the sword that Jesus will use when he returns to Earth to defeat the anti-Christ, Dajjal.[3]
Hatf (Arabic: الحتف) is a sword which Muhammad took as booty from the Banu Qaynaqa. It is said that King David took the sword “al-Battar” from Goliath as booty when he defeated him, when he was less than 20 years old. God gave King David the ability to work with iron, to make armour and weapons and instruments of war, and using his ability made for himself a sword. It was thus that the Hatf sword came about, resembling the al-Battar but larger than it. He used this sword and it was passed onto the tribe of Levites who kept the weapons of the Israelites until it passed into the hands of Muhammad. Nowadays this sword is housed in the Topkapi museum. The blade of this sword is 112 cm in length and has a width of 8 cm.
Qal’i (Arabic: القلعى) sword is known as “Qal’i” or “Qul’ay.” The name may be related to a place in Syria or a place in India near China. Some scholars said that the adjective “qal’i” refers to “tin” or “white lead” which was mined in different locations. This sword is one of the three swords which Muhammad acquired as booty from the Banu Qaynaqa. It is also reported that the grandfather of Muhammad discovered “swords of Qal’i” when he uncovered the Well of Zamzam in Mecca. Now the sword is preserved in the Topkapi Museum, Istanbul. Its blade is 100 cm in length. Inscribed in Arabic on its blade above the handle is: “This is the noble sword of the house of Muhammad the prophet, the apostle of God.” The blade of this sword is distinguished from the other swords because of its wave-like design.
Dhu al-Faqar (Arabic: الفَقَار) was taken as booty by Muhammad at the Battle of Badr. It is reported that Muhammad gave the sword to Ali b. Abi Talib, and that Ali returned from the Battle of Uhud covered with blood from his hands to his shoulders, having Dhu al-Faqar with him. Many sources report that this sword remained with Ali b. Abi Talib and his family, and that the sword had two points, perhaps represented here by the two lines engraved on the blade.
Al-Mikhdham (Arabic: المِخذَم) is reported to have passed from Muhammad to Ali b. Abi Talib, and from him to his sons. Some report that the sword was taken as booty by Ali b. Abi Talib from a raid he led in Syria. The sword is now in the Topkapi Museum, Istanbul. The blade is 97 cm in length.
Al-Qadib (Arabic: القَضيب) is a thin-bladed sword which, it was said, resembled a rod. It was a sword of defense or companionship for the traveller but not used to battle. Written on the side of the sword in silver is the inscription: “There is no god but God, Muhammad the apostle of God–Muhammad b. Abdallah b. Abd al-Muttalib.” There is no indication in any historical source that this sword was used in any battle. It stayed in the house of Muhammad. The sword is 100 cm in length and has a scabbard of dyed animal hide. This sword is housed in the Topkapi Museum, Istanbul.
john smith says
Excellent mortimer, just packed with information from start to finish.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Mortimer.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Michael.
somehistory says
+100
DavidR says
Mix that up with some Jello, put it in a mold and serve cold. It looks OK but tastes like a garbage bin. The word salad strategy is usually, as in this case, a vehicle for oversized egos to appear discerning and wise. But if you really want to appear special then serve up a side plate of “Devil’s Advocate” along with your word salad. The risk here is that you may be revealed as the attention whore you truly are. As Robert points out, if one were to swap the positions of Islam and Christianity in this lame fable, then the response would have been intensely negative and completely predictable, full of cancellations, terminations, and disassociations. But the pastor took the unobstructed path and the one many Muslims love, a doubting Christian who has nice things to say about Islam. Yay. And thanks for not taking the time to understand the subject of your crush.
owensgate says
Let me simplify, to the lowest common denominator, what a “voting decision” is to a Christian. Christians have a KING. All OTHER political considerations can be met by answering ONE question – the question that determines WHO gets your vote – “Mr. Candidate, do you support and defend “Abortion”? If the answer is YES, FIND ANOTHER CANDIDATE! That’s it. All other “talking points” are moot. See how easy that was?
somehistory says
+100
mortimer says
Malcolm X said black people who voted for the Dems are mistaken.
Malcolm X said: “The DEMOCRATS are playing you for a CHUMP and if you vote for them, not only are you a CHUMP, you are a traitor to your race!” – Malcolm X was killed by the Nation of Islam 2 days after making this statement.
Eleanor says
Thanks mortimer. I know next to nothing about this man, so I have some interesting reading in front of me.
J. Morgan says
He sounds like a lukewarm Christian who doesn’t have a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ. If he could give up on his faith so easily and not be able to see that Donald Trump’s policy on pro- life and not starting any new wars and protecting people from radical Islam were more Christian that what many preach. He claims to be a Christian, but is sowing doubt, not faith.
Revelation 3:15-16 – I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rob Porter says
Another problem with Issac Bailey is that apart from being confused he is a bit stupid. Christianity never has convinced anyone to follow Trump who has never professed to be a Christian leader. Further, if the gravitation of many Christians to Trump shakes Bailey’s faith, we can assume that his ‘Christian faith’ never was particularly deep.and that he refuses to see any good in Trump’s actions.
ed says
He’s not the only one there is a talk radio host in NC that says much the same about Trump( he is toxic he says too much , there was not much election fraud , But he swears he does not hate Trump ).
mgoldberg says
Why do college professors work so hard to be dumb as a bag of rocks? Seriously- this takes major effort and calories to stick a hat pin thru the frontal lobes and become a blank and then a repetitious peddler of nonsensical tropes. Look…. this ex president, just happened to gather muslim nations and convince them to assert their individual nations futures by signing peace accords with their enemy- Israel. This, by a Christian president who managed to create the atmosphere that seeded the opportunity for possible peaceable outcomes rather than warlike stances that have existed forever. That’s real time possibilities, and something that a president, might indeed be given great credit for it’s initiation over the course of 3 yrs of negotiations. But no. Mr college professor forgets all that, and just blithers on about Trumps popularity….. oh my, oh my, what a problem to understand! that the man promised and delivered rather than merely bloviating like so many policitians is too much for his mind to comprehend.
Seriously?
gregbeetham says
Issac Bailey and academics who supposedly think like him are nincompoops; Trump couldn’t claim to represent Christianity because he doesn’t, whereas ISIS does claim to represent Islam and I do blame Muslims who support that evil organization and I don’t care that Muslims are required to support it no matter what they might say publicly, and that’s because basic morality should say to them that ISIS is evil and if that doesn’t occur to Muslims and cause them to leave Islam then they are practising evil also.
Academics need to show me where the 10 commandments are in the Koran if they want to drag the Bible into this argument. You won’t find them; and they aren’t there for a reason; it’s because the followers of the cult of Satan are given permission to break those 10 commandments, specifically lying, cheating-deceit and committing murder. You can’t have a corrupt moral standard in the Koran that conflicts with itself which is why the commandments (or similar rules) deliberately weren’t included and that’s why the Koran is a handbook for the followers of Satan.
gravenimage says
Professor says he’s ‘struggling’ with his Christian faith because of Trump, beheadings shouldn’t reflect on Islam
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Very odd stuff. Firstly, as noted, Trump does not head any Christian sect, nor is he a Christian cleric.
Then, Christianity does not condone racism, and most Christians condemn the Ku Klux Klan. I can’t even see where they officially call themselves a Christian group.
Then, Islam actually *does* call for beheading unbelievers. and the “Priophet” Muhammed himself beheaded many victims, uncluding 600-900 unarmed Jewish men and boys.
Just sounds like more Trump derangement syndrome, with a bit of Islamophilia and hatred of Christianity thrown in.
Moreover, Bailey’s claim that he is wrestling with Christianity because of Trump is dishonest–he wrote the following article the year before Trump even took office. This was early in the year, before Trump even emerged as the likely winner of the nomination:
“Evil, in the name of Jesus”
https://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/issac-bailey/article16709429.html
He’s making the exact same “argument” as above, minus the references to Trump.
Then, his brother stabbed a white man to death after robbing him. Bailey blandly says that he can see things from all sides.
In this, he seems to imply that stabbing a random white man to death who had never done him any harm is fine because in the future some of them would vote for Donald Trump. Bizarre “reasoning”:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jun/24/my-brother-moochie-review-isaac-bailey-race-racism-murder
He also alludes to his other brothers having committed murders–he seems to have no problems with this.
Rod says
I’m beginning to suspect Christians aren’t so keen to acknowledge the Orange Dotard as an inspirational leader any more. I wonder how that happened.
Once upon a time, (a few weeks ago), lots of fervently Bible-reading Republicans thought he could do no wrong.
How times change.
You assert that the Professor seems to imply that stabbing a random white man to death..is fine.
“seems” to “imply” What a slimy, slippery, ugly, unwarranted insinuation. That really is a nasty habit of yours. Is that the way Christians behave?
gravenimage says
“Rod” could, of course, read the article–but what does he care about backing up assertions with facts?
Hoi Polloi says
Comments from that one are an endless scroll of the hate Spencer with me variety. Just because.
gravenimage says
True, Hoi Polloi.
James says
The professor is not a thinking man.
Rod says
Professor Bailey asks “If Christianity ………. couldn’t at least help millions discern the unique threat Trump represented—what good is it really?”
A fair question, and one which should be addressed with urgency, in view of recent very ugly events.
Mr Spencer, performing linguistic gymnastics in his usual style, nimbly skips around this question, avoiding it entirely.
But that is THE question the Professor is asking, and for very obvious reasons. Too hard for Spencer, it seems.
Why do you tolerate him, jihadwatchers? The man is an empty vessel.
Ben Nibbble says
Trump was the BEST POTUS since Lincoln.
Start here.
http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM
The media can’t be trusted to tell us the truth about Trump because he vowed to Drain The Swamp and send many of the corrupt media and government types as well as traitors from various other industrial sectors, to prison.
They conspired to destroy him in order to save themselves.
If you are an ideologue, you are in the wrong place. No one here should be interested in your uninformed and misinformed views.
Rod says
“…..can’t be trusted to tell us the truth about Trump”
Do you mean we have yet to learn the “truth” about Trump? Despite all his tweets, all his speeches, all his rallies, he’s been concealing some “truth” from us? Or is it that we have not been listening? Or, dare I suggest it, has he been lying to us?
Personally, I don’t wish to learn anything more about the man. What I’ve seen and heard has been disgusting enough.
Ecosse1314 says
Oh Rod we thee implore
To go away and bs no more
But if that effort be too great
To go away at any rate.
apologies to the 1820s
Rod says
But Ecosse, the Professor’s question remains unanswered. Doesn’t that worry you? So what’s the point of Spencer’s comments? What’s the point of Spencer?
Ecosse1314 says
Not in the least. I am not American and they the Americans get what they vote for like every democratic country.
Your problem is you always get the wrong end of the stick and proceed to beat about the Bush.
Not once have you ever admitted a single fault in Islam. You don’t even have the courage to state where you are from.
Rod says
Ecosse, I’m not here to talk about Islam, which indeed, like all religions, inspires crackpots and violence and hatred.
I’m here to draw attention to the irrationality and silliness of bigotry and racism. One example – Spencer ridicules a black professor, without addressing the question the professor raised. And even sillier, none of you have even noticed this stupidity. It’s laughable.
Isn’t it! And you are part of it.
It takes courage to state where I am from? Another silliness.
I don’t care where you are from, but I hope and pray it’s not Scotland, which I like to think of as a land of cold hard no-nonsense rationality.
gravenimage says
“Rod” wrote, replying to Ecosse1314:
Ecosse, I’m not here to talk about Islam, which indeed, like all religions, inspires crackpots and violence and hatred.
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“Rod” *always* hopes to distract from Jihad; really, this is his entire purpose here.
He will not acknowledge that Islam specifically preaches violence against unbelievers, including beheadings.
More:
I’m here to draw attention to the irrationality and silliness of bigotry and racism. One example – Spencer ridicules a black professor, without addressing the question the professor raised. And even sillier, none of you have even noticed this stupidity. It’s laughable.
Isn’t it! And you are part of it.
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Really, there is nothing that this professor says that is specifically race-based, so pretending that this criticism from Jihad Watch is somehow intrinsically ‘racist’ is absurd. How about criticism raised at other academics, such as Craig Considine here? Considine is not African-American.
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It takes courage to state where I am from? Another silliness.
I don’t care where you are from, but I hope and pray it’s not Scotland, which I like to think of as a land of cold hard no-nonsense rationality.
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“Rod” knows that if he says where he is from, that many of his absurd assertions will likely be easily debunked–such as his claims that his nation has never had close or contentious elections, and–even more saliently–that they have never suffered Jihad terror attacks.
And Scotland *has* indeed been the victim of Jihad terror attacks, despite what “Rod” here is pretending. The idea that if one objects to Jihadists attacking one’s nation that one is not rational is grotesque.
Rod says
Pinocchio, you’ve outdone yourself. Hard to imagine so many outrageous lies in so few words. You have a remarkable talent. Perhaps a future on Trump’s team? But when it comes to lies, he doesn’t need help.
In my country we have had many close elections, and also terror attacks, so what’s the point of your nonsense? An addiction to dishonesty? Incurable?
Hoi Polloi says
Discussing the facts regarding a publicly issued statement is not “bigotry and racism.” ”One example – Spencer ridicules a black professor.”…. Unless you are 1) of “the soft bigotry of low expectations” crowd, here to assert that a black man does not have the intellectual heft to join a debate and have his statements withstand full factual examination. Or 2) of the question everything thing but Islam variety as in, “I’m not here to talk about Islam.” Why should a Christian writer be disallowed the examination of a statement regarding Christianity and Christians in order to bring enlightenment? Or 3) of the conflate ideology with race object, shout, accuse crowd doing so in order to take advantage of the current climate, ignoring all Islamic teachings regarding race as they definitely do not strengthen your argument. Any or all of the preceding.
Ecosse1314 says
Yupmu user name is ecosse1314 because I am from Greece. You really are thick Rod
gravenimage says
After the 2016 US election, which was close, “Rod” said that nothing like this had ever happened in his (of course unamed) country.
Then he has said several times that Jihad terror is not a problem in his unnamed country. If he is now admitting that there are indeed Jihad terror attacks in his nation, but that he still doesn’t consider them a problem, this is much worse. This means that Jihadists are murdering or trying to murder people there, but that “Rod” does not consider this a serious concern. Given his appalling posting history, though, this does not really surprise.
gregbeetham says
Trump improved the American economy so he wasn’t a threat against that, he improved relations with North Korea and engineered various Islamic countries to vastly improve relations with Israel and got rid of the stupid Paris agreement that the really big polluters ignore and ditched the stupid Obama nuke treaty with Iran, what’s not to like?
Where is the threat that this ridiculous professor talks about? Where is the connection with Christianity?
Maybe he was a threat to the ignoramuses teaching false history or some alternative version of history, or maybe he was a threat to the creeping influence of Sharia in the West? Or maybe he was a threat to identity politics and the noisy woke LGBTQI brigade who have an alternative set of rights because they don’t like the majority set, or maybe it was that he was a threat to the thuggish ANTIFA and BLM insurrectionists running around rioting, trashing and torching neighbourhoods because they imagined that their feelings got hurt.
James Lincoln says
gregbeetham,
Pres. Trump was a threat to all of the groups that you have identified.
According to these groups, he had to be eliminated…
somehistory says
Once they meet defeat in their “trial,” they plan to use the 14th Amendment, the part specifically written for Confederates who had been in the Union government to keep Mr. Trump from ever holding office again. Constitutional attorneys say this is wrong based on the Law about not preventing someone from ‘life, liberty and the pursuit,’ without first trying them for a crime in a court of law…not the senate…and finding them guilty.
Mr. Frank Anderson, commented on this Law on a previous thread, about the dems attempt to keep Mr. Trump from pursuing his career, which is unlawful on their part.
The dem senate is attempting to become the legal…court…branch of government.
gravenimage says
Yes, Somehistory–that seems to be the main goal here–to make sure that Trump can never again hold elected office, despite the broad support he has in this nation.
gravenimage says
Robert Spenceer notes that President Trump has never been the leader of a Christian sect. How does his noting this obvious fact render him an “empty vessel”? “Rod” of course does not say.
Andrew says
Bailey is a perfect example of the failings within the American University system today, if this is what is called a Professor today… then gawd help us…
Does he suggest the current Pope is a good guy for bowing down and washing and kissing the feet of muslims.
President Trump did more for the Black American Community than any previous President, as he said to them, “What have you got to lose?”. Biden suggested “They are gonna put ya all back in chains”…
Bailey is a paid up member of The Democratic Plantation, and it was Malcolm X who said, ” The biggest danger to the Negro in America today(1960s) comes not from the KKK but from the white Liberal”, search for this interview on You Tube.
We must stop referring to Democrats as “Progressive” or “Liberal” as they are neither, however they are most certainly “Regressive” and “Fascist.”
gregbeetham says
It is very telling when one of the high profile Democrats makes a fopar (faux pas) occasionally, Biden said something about black kids being as smart as white kids and there have been other instances with different candidates. It is the same here with the lefties, they are the ones promoting divisiveness, the identity politics, the racism, slandering instead of arguing points that make sense etc.
The mystery is how Joe became president when he was hardly seen before the election by comparison to Trump, and when he was it was something to forget and few people attended his rallies yet somehow gathered heaps of votes at 3AM, very mysterious.
Hoi Polloi says
Davidson has a history of attempts at disassociating itself from its Christian roots in its efforts to join the big boys and not one has gone well. One would think that they would learn but the $$$ pull is obviously too strong and they are too weak.
Kilauea says
Professor Bailey should become a Christian before criticizing it. Only an idiot would expect Christianity to align with American Politics.
OLD GUY says
How do these people get to be professors, oh I remember we now have a school system that passes you right on through to professional degrees whether you learned anything or not. That’s a participation trophy for going to class or at least paying tuition gets you a degree. And sadly these idiots are teaching our young to follow their ideologies, and views of America paid for by us tax payers.
mtman2 says
The pseudo prof is very weak minded w/Liberal-views with giving a nod toward Christ tho not a true born again follower
WE are all mortal sinners needing Gods Forgiveness, Love, Spirit and Word.
Donald John Trump needs those things too and has upheld more Christ centered Godly views and acknowledgement then even Reagan which is a GOOD thing.
HOWEVER
He’d not a “national pastor” like Billy Graham was he’s the Commander and Chief who Loves America giving up the last best yrs of his life for that Love of country and people see that and feel it as well as see it in his accomplished actions…!
Magnus bodiger says
And just exactly what is this unique threat that this “professor” speaks?