Does the Vatican really think that this will increase harmony and mutual respect between Muslims and Christians? Vatican top dogs should consider a statement of the Muslim Brotherhood theorist Sayyid Qutb: “The chasm between Islam and Jahiliyyah [the society of unbelievers] is great, and a bridge is not to be built across it so that the people on the two sides may mix with each other, but only so that the people of Jahiliyyah may come over to Islam.” Dialogue, in other words, is all too often for the Islamic side a means of dawah, Islamic proselytizing, not a genuine discussion. In the Qur’an, the Virgin Mary gives birth to Jesus, but it is stated that he is not the Son of God (19:35), not divine (5:17), and was not crucified (4:157), and thus could not be and is not the savior and redeemer of the world. Do these Vatican officials really think that their Muslim interlocutors will discard what the Qur’an tells them and move closer to the Christian view? Or are they discarding the Christian view of Mary (and hence of Jesus) themselves, so as not to offend their “dialogue” partners? Almost certainly.
“Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
“Vatican to organize conference promoting Mary as ‘model for faith’ for both Christianity and Islam,” by Jeanne Smits, LifeSite News, February 16, 2021:
February 16, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — “Mary, a model for faith and life for Christianity and Islam:” is the title of an upcoming series of online webinars presenting Our Lady as a bridge between Catholicism and Islam organized, among others, by the Pontifical Academy of Mary (Pontificia Academia Mariana Internationalis or PAMI).
Starting on February 18, ten weekly conferences will be given jointly by Catholic and Muslim speakers who will seek “dialogue, knowledge and cooperation” regarding themes such as “Mary, a woman of faith,” “God who is love and faith,” prayer, purity, hospitality and non-violence, fasting and penitence, fraternity and citizenship.
The Franciscan pontifical University of Rome, the “Antonianum,” is another co-organizer of the event through its Duns Scot Chair of Mariological Studies as well as the International Islamic-Christian Marian Commission and the Grand Mosque of Rome and its Islamic Cultural Center of Italy.
The Italian weekly Famiglia Christiana presented the event in the light of the Abu Dhabi declaration, illustrating its article on Saturday with a photo of Pope Francis signing the Human Fraternity Document together with Imam al-Tayyeb of the Al-Azhar University of Cairo.
Quoting at length from the Document, Gian Matteo Roggio commented: “The course of these webinars is therefore aimed at active, free, conscious, solidary and popular participation in the opening of this space of intersection, interconnection, hospitable reception, thus meeting the explicit requests of Pope Francis and the Grand Imam of Al-Azahr [sic], the noble Sheikh Ahmad Al-Tayyeb.”
Readers of Famiglia Christiana in Italy are being asked to believe this: “The figure of Mary, a Jewish, Christian and Muslim woman, belongs by right and by fact to the path, the processes and the experiences that contribute to the generation of such an educational path, which makes a positive and confident wager on the embrace between generations and on a new politics and economy, where countries do not need to build their identity on contempt and on systematic negation, whether overt or covert, of the other and of others: an identity, that is, at the expense of the dissimilar and ready to identify in the other the cause of all the ills, failures, limitations and problems that instead have their multiple causes elsewhere. Belonging to these three religious and multi-cultural worlds (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), the figure of Mary is in itself a pressing and constant invitation to intersect and interconnect these same worlds, even making them a model of plural coexistence where the boundaries of each are made to allow communication, passage, exchange; and not to be closed, according to the many figures of exclusion that have, as their fruit, the culture, psychology, politics and economics of war, hatred and inhumanity.”
In the same grandiloquent style, Roggio added: “The webinars will end during the month of Ramadan with ‘the dates of Mary’ in the Conference Hall of the Great Mosque of Rome (health situation permitting): in memory of what is stated in the Holy Quran (Sura 19,22-26), namely that after giving birth near the trunk of a palm tree, she was called by the newborn child who told her ‘Do not be sad […] shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you and it will drop fresh and ripe dates on you. So eat them,’ a meal of friendship and fraternity will be shared once the sun goes down, as a tangible pact of alliance for the service to the common good of all, no one excluded, in obedience to the ‘understanding of the great divine grace that makes all human beings brothers’ (Document on human brotherhood for world peace and common coexistence).”
Roggio, the author of these very pro-Islamic lines, is not simply a journalist, he is a member of the religious order, the Missionaries of Our Lady of La Salette. He studied Mariology at the Pontifical Academy of Mary and is now a professor at the same institution. Roggio will be giving the lecture on “God who is love and mercy” on February 25, together with Islamic theologian Shahrzad Houshmand Zadeh, who teaches at the Gregoriana Pontifical University.
Roggio’s words therefore clearly express the spirit of the coming Islamo-Christian webinars: a spirit of profound relativism and misleading equation between the Catholic faith and Muslim beliefs.
The real question is this one: is the Virgin Mary whom we Catholics honor as the Mother of Jesus, only Son of God and the Word Incarnate, the same person as the woman named “Miriam” by the Quran? Is her son, Îssa, the Quranic equivalent of Jesus? He would then be a “Jesus” who could not in any way be the Son of God, because, the Quran proclaims, such an idea is “something monstrous” and that “it is not fitting for the Most Merciful to have a son.”…
Spiro says
Now watch e w t n radio spin that into something it isn’t
The Roman Catholic church is ignorant of new testament teachings or willfully
Being lead astray
Terry Gainn says
This Pope is a fraud. He does not represent the Catholic Church.
Rob Porter says
Terry, you are right. God chose his son, Jesus, not Mary to come to this earth as redeemer. It is upon Jesus that God intends humans to focus for salvation and for peace. God must be disgusted, not least because He knows that the Vatican and Pope Francis, in their pathetic bid to create unity with a pagan belief system the does not embrace the true God, have chosen Mary as the one who might prove inoffensive to Muslims.
The Pope does not represent the Christian Church. He is a total fraud and a disgusting human being. His head will probably end up impaled on some fence round Rome, hacked off by some friendly Muslim.
Robert hits the nail on the head with: “Leave them; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14)
Tony Said says
Francis is not a Christian, not a Catholic, but a modernist heretic. He is an antipope, People who call him their “pope” belong to the church he is pope of – a church that now bears very little resemblance to the Catholic Church of before Vatican II. People need to read the defined teaching of the Catholic Church on salvation. Of course Mary is not the mother of the Jesus of the Koran. any more than the the Holy trinity is the same God that the Muslims worship. These are simply lies, serving the advancement of the Freemasonic world brotherhood agenda, whose foundational principle is to neutralize the absolute necessity of the Catholic Faith,for salvation, as Jesus, and after Him His apostles, and after them the fathers of the Church, and after them the great Councils of the Church all have uncompromising and un-apologetically taught.
Look up the ex-cathedra Bull Cantate Domino of the Council of Florence and you will see just how far away from the Catholic Faith this antipope is. .
gravenimage says
+1
IamDoogy says
Agreed.
very old white guy says
No one comes to the Father except by ME, Jesus, not His mother.
Billy Chickens says
Jesus didn’t just land here fully grown from outer space. He came here through His mother. Furthermore, at Cana she says, “Do whatever HE tells you” and not “Do whatever I tell you.”
Patricia Koenig says
Well said!
gravenimage says
Good post.
Billy Chickens says
At Cana Jesus worked His first miracle through the intercession of His mother. No one gets to the Father except through Jesus but the way to Jesus is through his holy mother.
Infidel says
Since the Alawites are the only sect that celebrates Mary at all, Syria would be the only country that is receptive to this. Of course, there are open questions about whether Alawite is islamic in the first place, given their usage of wine in a lot of rituals as well as their belief in the transmigration of souls, which is as far from islamic as can be imagined
I sometimes wonder whether policy makers at the Vatican actually know what is in islam but are too scared to discuss it
b.a. freeman says
personally, Infidel, i think that most of the upper hierarchy of the catholic church is as leftist and unchristian as that of most “mainline” protestant churches. being leftists rather than christians, and being full of themselves, they believe that *all* religions are stupid, and at best, pap for the stupid stinking masses (and at worst, distractions from establishing socialism everywhere). they have no desire to convert to islam, and seeing no bad reports about islam form any of their leftist coreligionists, see no reason not to conclude that islam is “just like christianity” (from their perspective, it is). why waste time examining that which has already been examined by one’s “smart” peers (bad reports only come from islamophobic knuckle-dragging right-wing white extremists, so they can be ignored)?
Shirley Ann Addy says
Francis the Fickle & Roggio are paving the way for the DISAPPEARANCE OF THE MOTHER OF GOD. And if you think that is Impossible, you might want to read the History of Thousands of Marxist Clergy dwelling in Central & South America. Francis is ONE OF THOSE PRIESTS & he is now the VICAR OF ROME.
owensgate says
Has any of these “cristian clowns” at the Vatican actually read the Bible?
IamDoogy says
It’s true. With each new revelation about what is happening at the Vatican, you can see they, from the Pope down through the bishops, are drifting further and further away from Jesus Christ.
I would say that as of this moment, the parish priests are the only ones in the Catholic Church hierarchy who may (possibly) desire to still know Christ.
Ruislamicky? says
This has got to be a joke.
gravenimage says
This is no joke. Other Christians have swallowed this tripe about Musims loving Mary before.
“How Mary can be a bridge between Christians and Muslims”
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2019/05/11/how-mary-can-be-bridge-between-christians-and-muslims
“How Mary Holds Christians and Muslims in Conversation”
https://www.usccb.org/committees/ecumenical-interreligious-affairs/how-mary-holds-christians-and-muslims-conversation
This last dates back to 1996.
Templer says
I used to be a Roman Catholic no more my whole family which is 40 peple in all and 28 children and grandchildren are no longer Catholic this pope is destroying the church andi is nothing more than a muftey in chirstaintey Jesus is father son and holy spirt Muslims do not Belve that at all chirstains have given up crusades hunreds off years ago muslims have not chirstains do not have sex with goats beastltey allowed in Islam Mary is the mother offjesus Muslims do not belve that pedophiler is the norm on in Islam it’s not in chirstaintey may the lord Jesus desry this pope he’s evil .I still belveing jesusejust not this pope or the Catholic Church run by him
Abdillahi says
I’m sure Catholics are happy such an ignoramus has left their midst!
gravenimage says
Templer’s English may not be perfect, but he understands the savage threat of Islam just fine.
James Lincoln says
+1
IamDoogy says
I’m with Templer.
He’s speaking the truth about Islam and the Catholic church hierarchy.
Terry Gain says
No one was a Muslim before Muhammad. An ideology built on lies is worse than worthless. Killing people except in self defense is evil. Killing people because they reject insane beliefs is most evil. Muhammad was objectively evil. Islam is responsible for more human suffering than all other ideologies combined.
I am with Templar. Those who are trying to destroy the Catholic Church by raising Muhammad to the level of Christ will spend eternity down there with the caravan robber, slave taker, sexual slave-taker, sex maniac, murderer, liar and psychopathic fabulist Muhammad.
You can take your laws against apostasy, opposition to freedom of speech and freedom of religion, opposition to gender equality and equality of citizenship, approval of female general mutilation, child marriage and constant lying about everything and shove it.
Without truth. You have nothing.
James Lincoln says
Expertly stated, Terry.
My compliments…
mortimer says
Terry Gain is wrong. The Koran claims that all the Jewish patriarchs were *really* Muslims, including Jesus. But, strangely, Maryam is 100% Jewish in the Koran and lives in the Jewish Temple. The Koran makes her the mother of the Jewish messiah. Maryam is completely associated with the priestly class of Israel, even though she was not a Levite. Maryam appears to be a Levite in the Koran.
gravenimage says
Mortimer–with all respect–this Sura doesn’t mention that Mary was Jewish, or even mention Jews at all.
https://quran.com/19
Terry Gain says
Mortimer
You assert that I am wrong. Wrong about what? Here is a copy of text from the Life Site article. Note the first sentence of the second paragraph which says that readers of Famiglia Christiana are being asked to believe …. Mary … and Muslim woman.
Quoting at length from the Document, Gian Matteo Roggio commented: “The course of these webinars is therefore aimed at active, free, conscious, solidary and popular participation in the opening of this space of intersection, interconnection, hospitable reception, thus meeting the explicit requests of Pope Francis and the Grand Imam of Al-Azahr, the noble Sheikh Ahmad Al-Tayyeb.”
Readers of Famiglia Christiana in Italy are being asked to believe this: “The figure of Mary, a Jewish, Christian and Muslim woman, belongs by right and by fact to the path, the processes and the experiences that contribute to the generation of such an educational path, which makes a positive and confident wager on the embrace between generations and on a new politics and economy, where countries do not need to build their identity on contempt and on systematic negation, whether overt or covert, of the other and of others: an identity, that is, at the expense of the dissimilar and ready to identify in the other the cause of all the ills, failures, limitations and problems that instead have their multiple causes elsewhere. Belonging to these three religious and multi-cultural worlds (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), the figure of Mary is in itself a pressing and constant invitation to intersect and interconnect these same worlds, ……. etc etc etc.
Patricia Koenig says
Francis is an anti-pope, i.e. not a valid pope. The Catholic Church is about to experience an open schism with the Heretics keeping the church buildings, schools and hospitals… and the Faithful Remnant keeping the one true faith. This is similar to what happned during the Arian Heresy of the 4th century, where 75% of the bishops were Arian Heretics. Continue believing the Catholic faith as it was taught for two millennia… until the Vatican 2 ambiguities and heresies took root.
Raja says
What ever the Vatican does viz a viz the Islamic world can be pretty nauseating to say the least. I guess that is the case for at least a decade now. They know nothing about Christianity not do they bother to know about Islam, the result of this experiment can only be detrimental to its faithful and harmful to the world.
Rarely says
It all sounds like gobblygook to me but I’m not their target audience anyway.
The Monty Python crew would have had a lot of fun with this.
gravenimage says
Rarely, poking fun at Judaism or Christianity is fine, and a lot of Jews and Christians will even laugh along in many cases. For instance, I know a lot of Christians who thought the Monty Python “holy hand grenade” skit was hilarious! (most saw it more as making fun of the clergy than the religion itself).
We all know what happens when you try this with Islam…
somehistory says
Numbskulls. Brain dead, spiritually dead and determined to include the filth of islam in what they say regarding any and all things from the Bible, but especially to twist Scripture and totally distort the Truth until it is unrecognizable.
Mary would have nothing to do with the demonism of islam. She was the mother of Jesus Christ, but also she became a disciple and waited in the “upper room” with the others for “Holy Spirit” to be “poured out” so they could understand and preach the “good news.”
The teachers of islam tell lies about her and about Jesus. These ones even talk of their filthy fake ‘prophet,’ the mass-murdering, raper of children, sex-mad slave trader, filthy sack of slug slime, lying son of satan as having an intimate relationship with Mary. How disgusting! How demonic!
The ‘pope’ and his henchmen, are determined to mix in the filthy and poisonous root of islam; to contaminate the “pure waters of spiritual Truth,” with death-dealing teachings of satan and his demons.
They are in for a heavy dose of reality soon to come when Jesus says to them, “Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.”
There is a “lake of fire” for all of the “liars and those disgusting in their filth.”
mortimer says
Yes, they are acting like numbskulls, twisting themselves into doctrinal pretzels … for what ?
Ruislamicky? says
Henchmen.Thank you.
revereridesagain says
Not only does the Vatican want all women to do nothing with their lives but have babies, it now wants all women to do nothing with their lives but have babies while remaining virgins. Have to admit, they never give up.
CogitoErgoSum says
Muslims may have a certain amount of respect for Mary but they fail to recognize even the existence of St. Joseph. It always seemed to me to that being the foster father of Jesus would have been the greatest honor that any man could have ever been given …. making Joseph a figure of great respect. Yet, nowhere in Islam is he even acknowledged as having existed. Mary raises Jesus alone and Jesus becomes a prophet – but one who is completely inept and has to be rescued from martyrdom by Allah and is still alive somewhere and who is expected to return to Earth someday to kill all who fail to accept Islam. Yeah, don’t you Christians and Jews just love that story? Lots and lots of things to “dialogue” about in all of that.
Terry Gain says
And according to the fabulist Muhammad, Jesus, the miracle worker who lived a perfect life and performed miracles, faked his death with the help of Allah. And thus created the world’s largest religion.
It’s not that these Vatican Catholics don’t understand Christianity, they do. But their faith is shaky. They have suspended their Christian beliefs while trying to run a pacifying con on Muslims. They don’t realize that they have in fact been conned because they know nothing about Islam.
An ideology which contends that a psychopath is the role model is the ultimate con. There is nothing good about refusing to recognize evil. Islam is evil.
gravenimage says
Yes–the claim that Jesus didn’t merely not die on the cross, but cravenly coerced some poor nameless victim to die in his place, is just appalling.
James Lincoln says
I’m not sure what the Vatican knows less about:
1. Christianity and the Bible.
2. Islam and the Koran.
gravenimage says
+1
Patricia Koenig says
+2
Terry Gain says
James Lincoln
I have not the slightest doubt that they know less about Islam than Christianity. This is political correctness at its most insane. It is not about not knowing Christianity but foolishly thinking that inclusivity is the path to peace. They don’t understand Islamic supremacism and totalitarianism and that once one accepts that everyone is Muslim, Christianity will not survive. If Mary and Christ are Muslim, the triune God does not exist. Allah is God. Christ was a mere Muslim. And not even the role model.
They also don’t understand that Islam is the avowed enemy of all other ideologies. Islam exists to dominate, not to co-exist.
Ecosse1314 says
If the VM was a muslimah. She would have been stoned for being an unmarried mother.
James Lincoln says
Terry Gain,
Thank you for the reply.
You’re right, the Vatican knows less about islam than Christianity.
But that’s not saying much, as their knowledge of Christianity vis-à-vis islam is also – unbelievably – sorely lacking…
Terry Gain says
James Lincoln
I am a Catholic but the knowledge of the Vatican about Christianity is much greater than mine. And yet I know that Christianity and Islam are not only incompatible but largely antithetical. So what explains the Vatican engaging Islam in this manner? I do not know the answer. A no holds barred interview of Pope Francis or a debate would help. Pope Francis is not an uneducated man, so I’m not sure what has made him blind about Islam. Or blind about reality. Perhaps he is no longer a believer in Christ.
gravenimage says
I think this has more to do with “political correctness” than anything else.
Wellington says
Beyond idiotic. Functioning effectively in the realm of conflating good with evil, which is itself indefensible, and not capable of being justified under any pretext, condition or excuse.
Ruislamicky? says
Gal. 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God for if righteousness comes through the law then Christ died in vain. Gal. 2:21 NKJ
gravenimage says
Vatican conference to promote Mary as ‘model for faith and life for Christianity and Islam’
…………………
This is absurd. Doesn’t the Pope know that the primary role of “Jesus”–really, “prophet Isa”–in Islam is to slaughter Christians in the last days?
Lt Mason says
Friends in high places (Pope Francis and Grand Imam Ahmad al-Tayyeb ) BUT on the ground, (Pakistan, Malaysia, Middle East, Turkey) Christians are Kaffir,
https://www.malaysia-today.net/2012/07/01/institutional-racism-and-religious-freedom-in-malaysia/
Aastra says
yet pope doesnt meet dalai lama nor any hindu saints. i hope hindus and buddhists understand the unholy alliance btw Christians and Muslims.
gravenimage says
Aastra seldom condemns Jihad terror. This poster’s whole shtick is condemning Christians–not just this pontiff, but all of them as being as bad or worse than Jihadists. Bizarre stuff.
And note that Pope John Paul II did indeed meet with the Dalai Lama, and as early as 1986 expressed his respect for the Dharmic religions of India.
Aastra says
lol, please talk about this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/12/pope-francis-denies-dalai-lama-audience-china-concerns
gravenimage says
I never said that Pope Francis met with the Dalai Lama–I noted that his actions are not Christian or even papal policy. Few here condone Pope Francis.
somehistory says
There you go, aas, getting it all wrong again…on purpose. How much do you get paid to troll?
Do you get paid for your own lying comments, or only if someone replies to your lies?
Aastra says
LOL, trolling seriously first do some research before replying here. what lies LOL, talk being shameless. so pope is being pro islamic is a lie. how he only invites islamic leaders for interfaith dialogue.
somehistory says
Loser o loser…that’s your LOL…”seriously” yes, you lie with every post you make.
The pope consorting with moslums is not the same as your claim of Christians and an “unholy alliance” with moslums. Your “talk is shameless” and serves no other purpose than trolling to see how many people you can offend.
And if anyone needs to “do research” it’s you, the aas who “lol’s” Besides, it is not a requirement from Mr. Spencer that anyone do “research before replying.” It it was, you would not be allowed to post your stupid, lying comments, because it is obvious that you have no clue about the Truth, and are not interested in learning anything.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Somehistory.
Robert Spencer is himself a devout Christian. Is Aastra protending that he is pro-Islam? Or that Robert Spencer has not decried Jihad terror against Hindus and Shikhs many hundreds of times here?
Terry Gain says
Please don’t go that far. Pope Francis and his Luddites do not speak for most Catholics, let alone most Christians.
Terry Gain says
Posted in haste before I read GI’s comment. Sorry.
gravenimage says
That’s fine, Terry. Always glad to see your comments.
Yohannes says
Vatican, please find just one sura of Al-Qur’an or any Hadith traditions were Maryam (a.k.a pisslamic Mary) is an Uswa Hasanah for the ummah of Mamad…
gravenimage says
The Qur’an also confuses Mary the mother of Jesus with Miriam the sister of Moses.
Terry Gain says
Yes, Allah was not only ignorant about science and the difference between good and evil, he was a poor student of history. The belief that the Koran was revealed by God is irrational.
gravenimage says
So true, Terry.
suburbanbanshee says
Argh. Fulton Sheen’s hopeful comments aside, Islam and the Quran are full of horrible, hateful, disgusting stories about Islam’s version of Mary. Apparently the standard translated versions use a lot of euphemism to make this less obvious.
John Forbes says
FRANCIS is not known as ” THE ISLAMIC POPE” FOR NOTHING! hE IS A DISGRACE!
Sylvia Drummond says
There will never be an alliance between christianity and mohammedanism. Christianity is superior in every way to the deranged, fanatical, blood letting which is mohammedamism. The sooner this delusional Pope retires, the better.
mortimer says
Islamic ‘Maryam’ is one of the most of the most contradictory figures in the Koran. According to the Koran’s narrative (which comes straight from the familiar spirit ‘Jibreel’), Maryam grows up in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem (something impossible, since Jewish law of the time forbid women from entering many places in the Temple precincts). Moreover, the Koranic Maryam is COMPLETELY JEWISH and is not a Muslim. The Koran claims that ALL the Jewish patriarchs are ‘ACTUALLY’ Muslims, but not Maryam … she is completely Jewish. A study of the personage of Maryam in the Koran will be contradictory to the Islamic narrative as a whole and Muslims won’t want to go into it deeply.
Whatever scholars are behind this silly-headed comparison of Islamic Maryam and New Testament Mary are going to run straight into the contradictions.
b.a. freeman says
“Do these Vatican officials really think that their Muslim interlocutors will discard what the Qur’an tells them and move closer to the Christian view?”
—
no, but they probably think that they can have civil conversations with pious muslims, much as they do with pious jews. what they don’t realize is that when they speak with jews, they are speaking with people who share their own supposed judeo-christian world view, while when speaking with pious muslims, they are speaking with lying gangsters. these morons obviously know *NOTHING* about islam, and being leftists before being christians, have the leftist attitude that all religions – including christianity – are stupid time-wasters that are pap for the stupid stinking masses. thus, they do nothing to rectify their ignorance, thinking that they are not going to convert to islam, and being as smart as they obviously are, have no need to learn anything about it. after all, nobody but hateful right-wing knuckle-draggers who didn’t attend their alma mater say anything bad about islam; therefore, because nobody important is saying anything bad about islam, islam must therefore be as good as christianiity. and BTW, did i say that the upper catholic hierarchy, like most of the anglican hierarchy, thinks that christianity is stupid?
Goofy says
On the surface it appears that Islam has something in common with Catholicism. But not for long because the Catholic believer will call Mary the Mother of God, and the Muslims will immediately protest wildly!
The Islamic claim to be an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion hangs on the person of Ismael. However, we have two problems with that: 1 we don’t know for sure whether Ismael shared his father’s religion. 2 we have no genealogy in the Koran to substantiate that the prophet Muhammad was a descendant of Ismael.
I don’t understand why the Roman Catholic church takes Islam seriously. It is dependent on Christianity to argue that it is a religion. Prophet Muhammad even swore on the Bible to recognise his faith in it. Later “scholars” have deemed the Bible to be corrupted (before or after Muhammad?) and the faith of the Muslims contradict everything which makes Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour. Issa has become an ordinary prophet (like Muhammad?) although born by a virgin impregnated by the Spirit of Allah, and Allah protected him against death for him to return to earth to judge the Christians for refusing Islam!
It is interesting that the Koran mentions Issa forming clay birds in his hands and blowing life in them to make them fly! Normally creation of life is considered to be limited to the powers of Allah, but no, Issa was/is just a prophet! How many clay birds did prophet Muhammad make fly? As far as I remember he was more in the business of taking lives than of creating them.
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I cannot see how it can ever be in the interest of the Roman Catholic church to develop a dialogue with leaders of a religion which is defined as being in opposition to the Christian faith.
gravenimage says
Goofy, I don’t recall a case where the “Prophet” Muhammed is supposed to have sworn on a Bible–citations?
As for the clay bird story. this was a local Christian folk tradition adopted by Islam. But you are right–this is a description of a true miracle–not like Muhammed’s “miracles” where Muslims are just able to slaughter more victims than you might think possible.
Jan Favre says
The Quran Maryam is not the mother of the son of God. Vatican 2 has introduced the confusion of Islam way of salvation.