“In a statement, WA Police said they believed the genital mutilation was planned as part of cultural beliefs.” Which culture, exactly, WA Police? Why don’t you dare specify?
We are constantly told the opposite by propagandists in the West, but the reality is that female genital mutilation (FGM) is justified in Islamic law. It is practiced by some non-Muslims, but only in majority-Muslim areas where the influence of Islamic culture, mores and law is all-pervasive.
“It is a religious thing. Do you want to change religion?” said one Egyptian in response to a campaign to eradicate female genital mutilation. “You only listen to what the West is saying.”
The establishment media ignores the fact that FGM is mandated in Islamic law: “Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) (by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the bazr ‘clitoris’ [this is called khufaadh ‘female circumcision’]).” — Umdat al-Salik e4.3, translated by Mark Durie, The Third Choice, p. 64
Why is it obligatory? Because Muhammad is held to have said so: “Abu al- Malih ibn Usama’s father relates that the Prophet said: ‘Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women.’” — Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 5:75
“Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: ‘Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.’” — Abu Dawud 41:5251
That hadith is classified as weak, but this one is classified as sahih (reliable): “Aishah narrated: ‘When the circumcised meets the circumcised, then indeed Ghusl is required. Myself and Allah’s Messenger did that, so we performed Ghusl.’” — Jami` at-Tirmidhi 108
If Muhammad had the genitals of his favorite wife, Aisha, mutilated, that is a strong endorsement of the practice from the man who is an “excellent example” (Qur’an 33:21) for Muslims.
Why does it matter whether or not FGM is Islamic? Because the practice will never be eradicated if its root causes are not confronted. As long as those Muslims continue to believe that Allah and Muhammad want it done, for some that will override all other considerations, in Australia and everywhere else.
“Two women face court over alleged planned female genital mutilation of two-week-old baby in WA,” by Herlyn Kaur and Keane Bourke, ABCNet.au, March 11, 2021:
Two women have faced court over allegedly planning the female genital mutilation of a two-week-old baby.
WA Police have charged the women, aged 23 and 50, after they allegedly approached a doctor in January for the procedure….
Police did not confirm where the women live but said it was within their Cannington District, which includes Bentley, Queens Park, Rossmoyne, Shelley and Willetton.
Cultural beliefs the alleged motive
In a statement, WA Police said they believed the genital mutilation was planned as part of cultural beliefs.
“The WA Police Force embraces the diversity provided by the many cultural and ethnic groups that form our community,” a police spokesperson said.
“Practices which may be acceptable by some cultures and in some countries may constitute criminal offences in Western Australia.
“It is an offence to commit female genital mutilation in Western Australia.”…
It is believed around 53,000 women live with female genital mutilation across Australia.
Clinical practice guidelines from WA’s Women and Newborn Health Service explain that the procedure is usually carried out between the ages of 4 and 10 years old, but may be conducted as late or “just before marriage, during pregnancy or post-birth”.
“The motivation for communities to practice [female genital mutilation] varies wildly but includes psychosexual and sociological reasons, hygiene and aesthetic reasons and myths,” it reads.
“It is a practice that is deeply entrenched in cultural heritage and traditions.”…
somehistory says
Sounds like an evil “mother” and an equally evil “grandmother,” both proving false to what those titles mean.
Four to ten year old’s need protection too. Older children need to be protected from this demonic practice and the perps need to be behind bars. Make it known in the “communities” that it will not be allowed to happen without harsh consequences for the perps. No matter what “culture” they claim.
b.a. freeman says
well put, somehistory.
+1
gravenimage says
Good post, Somehistory.
Jim Haugland says
Read! You can start with YouTube queries. Search Islamic female mutilation, Muslim gang rapes in Western Europe. The ignorance of Americans on the life of Muhammad and the 1400 year history of Islamic terrorist conquests is appalling.
john smith says
Spot on Somehistory.
Hoi Polloi says
Doubtless they’ll be lauded by their own, barbaric sadists that they are, as especially fervent and righteous. Can’t allow a newborn to seem too alluring. What a hideously evil ideology.
b.a. freeman says
+1
gravenimage says
Yes–who but Muslim thugs could be attracted *to a baby*?
God, I hate Islam.
john smith says
+1
Julian Flynn says
Another sahih (authentic) hadith says:
“The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, trimming the moustache, cutting the nails and plucking the armpit hairs.”” Bukhari 77:106
The word used for ‘circumcision’ in this hadith is ‘khitan’. Another Hadith says:
“when the daughters of ‘A’isha’s brother were circumcised, ‘A’isha was asked, “Shall we call someone to amuse them?” “Yes,” she replied….!’”” Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 53:1247
The word used for ‘circumcised’ is an inflexion of ‘khitan’. This (and other evidence) suggests that the word ‘khitan’ refers to both ‘circumcision’ (male genital mutilation) and FGM.
Verse 30:30 of the koran says:
“adhere to the fitrah”
Conclusion: the Koran, indirectly but ineluctably, advocates FGM.
(see my research into FGM at https://fgmtruth.wordpress.com/)
Hoi Polloi says
Thanks. Checking it out.
James Lincoln says
Anyone know if the baby is in child protective services?
gravenimage says
I hope so.
b.a. freeman says
i wonder how ignorant leftists explain the difficulty of eliminating FGM from islamic “culture?” it’s easy, of course, once one realizes that females are the property of males in this poisonous cult.
tim gallagher says
I can’t recall who the people were, b.a. freeman, but I have definitely heard people saying that FGM has nothing to do with islam, but is some type of African mumbo jumbo, probably a cultural thing in some African groups of people from before Islam came and conquered them. I never take much notice of such people and their bullshit, but I have heard that argument put forward a few years ago.
Hoi Polloi says
I’ve heard it as well, usually in defense of Islam.
PRCS says
Tim:
“some African groups of people from before Islam”
https://www.28toomany.org/blog/what-are-the-origins-and-reasons-for-fgm-blog-by-28-too-manys-research-coordinator/
“So, what do we know about the origins of FGM? Although the origins are obscure there has been anthropological and historical research to help us understand how the practice came about. Although FGM is practised in some communities in the belief that it is a religious requirement, research shows that FGM pre-dates Islam and Christianity. Some researchers have traced the practice to Egypt in the fifth-century BC and argue that the geographical distribution of FGM suggests that it originated on the west coast of the Red Sea.”
The issue re: Islam—per Robert Spencer’s post:
“Why does it matter whether or not FGM is Islamic? Because the practice will never be eradicated if its root causes are not confronted. As long as those Muslims continue to believe that Allah and Muhammad want it done, for some that will override all other considerations, in Australia and everywhere else.”
IMO, whoever actually concocted Islam incorporated an ancient cultural practice into the so-called “religion of truth”.
gravenimage says
FGM *does* predate Islam–it was known as “pharaonic circumcision” at one time and was used on slaves.
But almost every other group has given this up–and no other groups defend this barbarism on religious grounds save Muslims.
Islam has embraced other savagery that pre-dated Islam, such as beheadings and stoning women to death, and has sacralized them in Islam.
Julian Flynn says
>” I have definitely heard people saying that FGM has nothing to do with islam, but is some type of African mumbo jumbo, probably a cultural thing in some African groups of people from before Islam came”
As so often with Islamic deception, the beach of Lies contains some grains of Truth: FGM was practiced in Africa prior to the invention of Islam – it is recorded in Egypt and along the West coast of the Red Sea, by (amongst others) Strabo. It is also recorded in Turkey. A Hadith suggests it was a traditional practiced of Mohammed’s native tribe (the Banu Quraysh).
So the Islamic apologists are correct in saying that Mohammed did not invent FGM. He took a barbaric practice he was born into and integrated it into the religion he was inventing, and in doing so sacralised it and ensured it would be practiced wherever Moslems spread, for as long as Islam exists.
But the African issue can be addressed quite simply by looking at a map of the world distribution of FGM: most of Africa doesn’t practice FGM – only those parts under Islamic influence. And about two-thirds of FGM happens outside Africa – the greatest concentrations being in Indonesia.
https://fgmtruth.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/infibmap_correct20111.jpg
The case of Indonesia demonstrates the connection between Islam and FGM – it is not recorded in Indonesia prior to its being subjugated to islam in the 13th century. Indonesia now has +90% rates of FGM amongst its Moslems and is of the Shaafi school – the School of Islam that makes FGM obligatory – and that presides in such FGM hot-spots as Somalia, Sudan and Egypt.
for fuller details see first section on following page – https://fgmtruth.wordpress.com/2018/12/04/critiquing-mackie-questions-of-distribution/
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comments, Hoi Polloi, PRCS, gravenimage and Julian. The way i see it, any mob of people who could even consider for one second carrying out such a barbaric practice as FGM, would have to be extraordinarily misogynistic, that’s for sure. Islam certainly fits the bill, so I can see how this practice will never be stamped out in Islam. On the occasions when I have heard some person, no doubt they would always have been apologists for Islam although I can’t recall who they were as I haven’t heard someone saying that FGM is not part of Islam for several years now, I just immediately say to myself, total bullshit. Such people are wasting their time on me. In Australia, in these cases where they nail people for arranging FGM to be carried out, it is, of course, always Muslims who are involved. I think most cases have involved people sending the girls overseas to have the barbaric deed done, although I can vaguely recall some Muslim doctor here in Australia being nailed for either carrying out the act or being involved in the planning of it. I’m sure that only Muslims would carry out this procedure. Islam wallows in savagery and sheer evil, where non-Muslims are not barbaric enough to carry out such an act. These days, it is surely part of Islam alright and of no other group but Muslims. As you say, Julian, in Africa, it is only the Islamic parts of Africa that still indulge in this satanically evil behaviour. Islam – in so many areas of life, what a loathsome disgrace it is..
PRCS says
Unfortunately,
Judge dismisses most serious remaining charge against doctor accused of genital mutilation
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/03/05/judge-dismisses-charge-against-doctor-female-genital-mutilation/4960323002/
tim gallagher says
Thanks for that information, PRCS. They should been a lot tougher with the doctor, but, unfortunately, this being too soft happens all too often.
PRCS says
You’re welcome.
The Australian group is of the same Muslim sect as those in Detroit: Dawoodi Bohra
Michigan doctors charged in first federal genital mutilation case in US
https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/22/health/detroit-genital-mutilation-charges/index.html
tim gallagher says
Yes, PRCS, the tentacles of some of these disgusting Muslim groups certainly spread far and wide – Australia and Detroit, very far apart. No doubt these scum would be operating in Europe as well. These FGM cases only seem to come up once in a while in Australia, though, of course, I’m sure that the mutilations would be happening very often, but aren’t discovered by the authorities all that often.
kay abel says
Because all false gods such as Allah are demons, naturally Satan (Allah) and his Messenger Mohammad will inspire and encourage pure evil especially against women and female children as seen by the barbaric, pagan practice of FGM in Islam.
tim gallagher says
I keep thinking, with all the barbaric filth that primitive islam still considers to be the right way to behave (not just FGM, but the child brides, the thinking it is just fine to rape non-Muslim women and girls, the calls to go out and murder non-believers, the homophobia, etc, etc) that this is the 21st century (mankind has progressed and should have damn well progressed – but islam hasn’t) and Islam is a load of incredibly backward and evil and primitive garbage that seems so totally out of step with modern society. And the people that keep telling us that islam deserves to be respected are either absolute fuckwits, who know nothing about Islam’s nature, or are evil people themselves. Islam has to go. It is surely a couple of thousand years out of date in its attitude to everything about the way human beings should live their lives..
James Lincoln says
tim gallagher says,
“…the people that keep telling us that islam deserves to be respected are either absolute fuckwits, who know nothing about Islam’s nature, or are evil people themselves.”
Yes tim, fuckwits or evil – there is no other alternative…
tim gallagher says
Yes, James, I constantly think that, firstly, islam is like some primitive ideology which is full of hideous stuff that just shouldn’t be still around and , second, my approach to such a primitive and just downright evil load of rubbish such as islam is full of, is to keep the disgusting ideology out of all non-Muslim countries. Why anyone wants people who follow such a backward and barbaric ideology in their countries is beyond me (although there are some Muslims who do seem OK in spite of Islam’s vile nature – but not enough to make up for the trouble Islam always causes). And, yes, the other thing is definitely that it is idiotic or just plain evil for people to keep telling us to give Islam respect. I keep thinking that almost everybody should see this by now, although I get how the left seem to want to be allies with islam to destroy western societies.
gravenimage says
+1
PRCS says
“Islam is a load of incredibly backward and evil and primitive garbage that seems so totally out of step with modern society”
Correctomundo!
A conglomeration of many then accepted cultural practices, sold as a religion to ignorant desert dwellers, and still–unfortunately–believed and practiced by so many, too many, to this day.
gravenimage says
Australia: Two women arrested for planning female genital mutilation of two-week-old baby
……………..
Hideous–glad they were stopped.
But they are *hardly* alone.
PRCS says
Two women arrested for planning female genital mutilation of two-week-old baby
Tough slog getting that nonsense stopped:
Genital mutilation convictions overturned after new evidence showing victims remain intact
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-11/genital-mutilation-convictions-overturned/10108106
These creeps are, btw, like the Detroit creeps: members of the Dawoodi Bohra community.
Judge dismisses most serious remaining charge against doctor accused of genital mutilation
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/03/05/judge-dismisses-charge-against-doctor-female-genital-mutilation/4960323002/
Andrew Blackadder says
Let me see if I understand this correctly, the muslims, Christians and Jews, are all of the belief that their God created everything on Earth, including the Human Being, however their God was not paying attention when he put way too much foreskin over the head of the Penis, and way too much “stuff” inside the Vagina, but thats okay because mankind, that he created, can complete his work as we all know the Penis and the Vagina are not an important part of the human anatomy.
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Arent we just a special kind of species on Plant Earth that we know better than God as to what he created…
Hank says
Yep, Australians hastily threw out the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob together with their Judeo-Christian culture, its moral laws for living and national foundation…. and invited in the worst of the heathens. The fruits of such foolishness will now be eaten.
sidney penny says
“It is a practice that is deeply entrenched in cultural heritage and traditions.”…
Again, whose cultural heritage and traditions?
Can the WA Police tell us please?
Christopher Watson Watson says
We know that this barbaric act was probably pre-Islamic as well as rooted in the Islamic religion. To eradicate the practice from our culture is really quite easy: convicted felons should face the death penalty. What can be more barbaric that physically mutilating a 2-year-old female baby. It can’t be done, you say? The British Empire stopped the Indian habit of burning the living widows of dead Indian men. How? By hanging the men who committed this murderous act.
Hoi Polloi says
Good Morning, not to be punctilious but the baby was only two weeks old. Just an honest mistake (probably because normal minds can hardly comprehend that some just delivered mother and a father could even conceive the idea of doing this to a newborn) and posting to make that point so that no one leaves this page without fully realizing the horror of the age of the baby targeted by these barbarians. And I agree that stopping this is a matter of political will.