Jakob Wirén is unaware of or indifferent to the fact, but he has entangled himself in a contradiction. The prophets of the Judeo-Christian tradition do not contradict one another. But the Qur’an in numerous passages contradicts and presents itself as purporting to correct Christian doctrine. Among those passages are these:
Jesus is not the Son of God and belief in the Trinity is “excess”: “O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter anything concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and his word which he conveyed to Mary, and a spirit from him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and do not say ‘Three.’ Cease! It is better for you! Allah is only One Allah. It is far removed from his transcendent majesty that he should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.” — Qur’an 4:171
And: “It is not befitting to Allah that he should beget a son. Glory be to him! When He determines a matter, he only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.” — Qur’an 19:35
Jesus was not crucified: “And because of their saying: We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – they did not kill him or crucify him, but it appeared so to them; and those who disagree concerning it are in doubt about it; they have no knowledge of it except pursuit of a conjecture; they did not kill him for certain.” — Qur’an 4:157
Those who believe in the divinity of Christ are unbelievers: “They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary.” — Qur’an 5:17 (cf. 5:72)
Christians have forgotten part of the divine revelations they received: “From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.” — Qur’an 5:14
Those who believe that Jesus is God’s Son are accursed: “The Jews call Ezra a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! ” — Qur’an 9:30
Christians who do not accepted Muhammad and the Qur’an are the most vile of created beings: “Nor did those who were given the Scripture become divided until after there had come to them clear evidence. And they were not commanded except to worship Allah, sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion. Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the most vile of created beings.” — Qur’an 98:6
Muslims must fight against and subjugate Christians: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden what has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29
Also, a hadith has Muhammad predicting that Jesus will return at the end of the world and break the cross, as it is an insult to Allah’s power to say that he would have allowed one of his prophets to be crucified: “Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, ‘By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary [Jesus] will shortly descend amongst you people [Muslims] as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya [a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government]. Then there will be abundance of money and nobody will accept charitable gifts.’” — Bukhari 3.34.425
So if young Wirén as a Christian accepts Muhammad as a prophet, which word does he take as true? That of the New Testament or that of the Qur’an and Sunnah? And if Christians must acknowledge Muhammad as a prophet to show “respect” for Muslims, must Muslims acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God and the Savior of the world to show “respect” for Christians? No? Why not?
“Church of Sweden leader: Christians can have Muhammad as a prophet,” translated from “Svenska kyrkan-topp: Kristna kan ha Muhammed som profet,” Fria Tider, March 20, 2021:
DIVERSITY. Can Islam’s chief prophet Muhammad also be a prophet for Christians? Yes, says Jakob Wirén, who is one of the Church of Sweden’s foremost theologians.
It is in a newly published book entitled Making room for the other? as Wirén devotes a chapter to Muhammad and the role he may play for Christian people. Wirén is a theologian and is part of the archbishop’s staff in the Church of Sweden.
Wirén claims that Christians may well consider Muhammad a prophet even for Christians, if only because he was a “defender of monotheism.”
– When it comes to the concept of the prophet, it is quite open. There are prophets and prophecies even after Jesus’ resurrection, not least in the New Testament, he says to the Christian newspaper Dagen.
Wirén believes that it is important for Christians to be able to think of Muhammad as a Christian prophet of “respect” for Muslims. In a follow-up debate article, he laments that so many Christians dislike Muhammad and that “public discourse on Islam is often poisoned by extremism and hatred.”
However, the claim that Muhammad can be regarded as a Christian prophet encounters an opposing party, including Dagens lead writer Fredrik Wenell. “The notion that Muhammad can be a prophet also in the Christian tradition is thus contrary to both the Christian and the Muslim tradition,” he writes, among other things.
very old white guy says
Whatever Wiren is he is not a follower of Christ and therefore not a Christian.
Westman says
WIKI: “Until 2000 it (The Church Of Sweden) held the position of state church. The high membership numbers arise because, until 1996, all newborn children were made members, unless their parents had actively cancelled their membership. Approximately 2% of the church’s members regularly attend Sunday services. According to a Gallup poll conducted in 2009, 17% of the Swedish population considered religion as an important part of their daily life.”
This is a dead church, socially oriented toward SJW, having only a vestige of Christianity; reduced to the Golden Rule without realizing that Christ, though forgiving, did not erase standards of conduct and would not accept a “Prophet” or religion that was dedicated to the destruction of his work.
Christ declared that: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.” John 10:1
“Thief and a robber” certainly fits the life of Muhammad.
mortimer says
Reply to VOWG: Jakob Wirén is a ‘Christian’ ONLY if he believes in the Apostles’ Creed. Anyone who believes doctrines that CONTRADICT and EXCLUDE the Apostles’ Creed is quite definitely ‘heretical’, if not, outright ‘non-Christian’.
Islam denies almost ALL of the Apostles’ Creed. Thus, we can definitely pronounce from a Christian perspective that Mohammed was a FALSE PROPHET with a FALSE prophecy and with a FALSE book. The historic Christian creeds are thoroughly rejected by Islam in the Koran, hadiths and canonical Islamic writings.
Jakob Wirén DOESN’T know that there is MORE in the Koran from the Gnostic writings than there is from the New Testament. The author of the Koran ‘mined’ the text of the Gnostic writings and even in the rare places where the Koran cites the New Testament, it is a mischaracterization. No one who reads the New Testament in the original language or in Syriac can come to the conclusion that Jesus is ‘merely’ human. Almost every page of the New Testament contains a clue or sign to the divinity of Christ.
Islam contains so many pagan elements (such as worshipping a black baetyl stone) that Islam cannot be stated to be ‘merely’ a Christian heresy. Whoever concocted Islam self-consciously assembled elements of a half dozen Mesopotamian sects and cults, as well as Nabaetean Arabian paganism. Islam is rather
mortimer says
Addendum : Islam is rather more composed of pagan folk religion elements than it is ‘Christian’.
somehistory says
mortimer,
this statement by you…”Reply to VOWG: Jakob Wirén is a ‘Christian’ ONLY if he believes in the Apostles’ Creed. Anyone who believes doctrines that CONTRADICT and EXCLUDE the Apostles’ Creed is quite definitely ‘heretical’, if not, outright ‘non-Christian’.”
clearly shows that you don’t know Christianity as you believe you do.
The “Apostles Creed,” is not in the Bible.
You should stick to what you know best. You know what that is, and it isn’t Christianity or the Bible.
Keith O says
Mortimer, There is absolutely NOTHING in Islam that even vaguely resembles Paganism in any way shape or form.
We revere Mother Earth, females & the natural world.
Pagans respect all living things, we are very peaceful, until provoked, then all bets are off.
So drawing any link between mudslimes and us pagans is at best a stretch, at worst, downright insulting.
Get your facts straight BEFORE making any comments.
Andrew Blackadder says
Once Sweden gets their very own muslim Prime Minister thereby fulfilling their exercise in political correctness they will realize too late that their country is gone baby gone.
When I hear morons like this Church Leader say things like, ” We must build a New Sweden”, I want to ask them, ” What the hell was so wrong with the Old Sweden ?”..
I sit far from Europe, as a European, and watch my beautiful European Culture being destroyed by idiotic fools that call themselves Liberal….Its a contradiction in terms.
Hoi Polloi says
These heretics provide an ongoing lesson as to the motivation of so many who left Europe centuries ago for the New World.
Malcolm (South Afric) says
This is how weird western civilization has developed. Western governments have fought their war, sacrificed their men in the process. in return they slaughter our people in Europe and the USA. We have to respect someone who has never made a prophecy, never was responsible for a miracle, a person who was violent, a murderer, a child molester.
Peter Buckley says
I’m sure people are going to pay more more attention to Jakob Wire than the army of ex-muslims now spilling the beans on social media:
Enjoy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOi0hRiOPfk&t=263s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnA7sOoNGyk
Hilarious.
Jakob Wire- not just irrelevant, but too late!
What wondrous times are these……..
will says
The only thin argument the Muslims can make to try to justify their False Pagan Cult is Ishmael. Using the thin line of their story from the Holy Scriptures. Yes, Abraham may have sired Ishmael. However, this was a sin against God’s plan, and both Sarah and Abraham deeply regretted trying to thwart God’s plan when Isaac was born. . As to Ishmael and Hagar, their story ends just after God helped them leave the desert for Egypt. nothing more. As to Muhammad and his cult, they came some 625 years after the birth of Christ and some 2600 years before Muhammad drifted into the picture as a desert Nomad Grifter trying to show a connection with Judaism. This was one of the earliest examples of Fake News.
mike says
I’ll respect Muslims when Muslims start and show respect to the people of the world
until then pound sand Islam
David Longfellow says
Islam is a cancer on the earth and its proponents are superspreaders.
mortimer says
No, DL, not so. Muslims are humans who have the wrong information. They leave Islam as soon as they realize the Koran is of human origin.
somehistory says
Yes, mortimer,
islam is death-dealing and mo slums are “spreading” it all over the earth. They may be “human,” but they are “children” of satan the devil….as they have made themselves.
Their filthy book comes straight from their “father the devil,” and they “wish to do the desires of their father.”
Ignorance is no excuse. Jesus will hold them accountable for their words against Him, against HIs Father and their actions against all that is good. There is a place of “destruction” and they “are on the road leading to destruction,” as Jesus stated so clearly in Matthew 25.
Really, you should make up your mind whether or not you see the evils in islam and in the behavior of its adherents. You go about defending them to anyone who points out how evil they are.
b.a. freeman says
SH, Jesus came to call *A*L*L* people to Him. unlike muhammed’s sock puppet, allah, God wants us *all* to come to Him, but He grants each of us free will, and recognizes that because we are imperfect creatures, a lot of us will make the fatal mistake of rejecting His love and free gift of salvation. mortimer is simply pointing out that muslims are *badly* mistaken. whether or not a muslim leaves islam is not up to us, but to the muslim; our job is to reach out to muslims in a loving manner and show them how they are wrong about judaism, christianity, and in fact, about every other non-muslim human on the planet. i, too, hate the f***ing poisonous gangsta cult of islam, but believe that Jesus loves each and every one of them; simply because they are human, i *MUST* reach out to them. each muslim with whom i manage to speak, however, must make up his own mind; it is *NOT* up to me to condemn him simply because he was born into the ummah.
we all need cool heads so that we can remember that our goal is the extinction of monstrous death cult of islam, not the extermination of 1.6 billion human lives (even if most – or even all – of them want to see us dead).
James Lincoln says
mortimer,
Please reread David Longfellow’s post.
1. He never said that muslims were not human.
2. islam is, in fact, a “cancerous” religious/political ideology.
3. Followers of islam – muslims – depending upon how devout they are – attempt to spread this religious/political ideology throughout the world. Using the term “Superspreaders” is an appropriate way to categorize them.
I agree that muslims are humans who have the wrong information. That being said, please show me a reference were very large numbers of them have left islam as soon as they realized that the “Koran is of human origin”…
gravenimage says
+1
somehistory says
baf
I didn’t say anything that the Bible does not say. I was “merely” pointing out that mo slums….and any others…who fall into the category of those likened to “goats” in Matthew (25) will not be excused because they claim “ignorance.”
Jesus Christ, the Authority on what is required for salvation, said there is a “broad gate, and a spacious road leading to destruction, and many are going in through it.” Jesus said that. I just pointed it out.
mo slums won’t be “excused” because they believe a book of filth…that goes against all God-given human conscience…is something they should revere and obey.
God gave each one a brain and a sense of right and wrong…known as a conscience. mo slums have the same opportunities as do others to choose.
i chose my “somehistory” for this site simply because I have had so much personal “history” and interactions with mo slums. males, females, young, middle aged and old.
With the ones that were willing to give me a chance to speak, I spoke to them about the True God and His Son.
Any mo slums who are right at heart….as the Apostle Paul said, “Rightly disposed to everlasting life,”…listen and make decisions accordingly.Those who wait to find out that the filth they believe came from “humans” as mortimer asserts, won’t be excused if they don’t turn to Christ.
Like all “murderers, adulterers, liars and those disgusting in their filth,” mo slums who refuse to accept Christ will be sent to “destruction” because that is the “road they are on.” No excuses for ‘ignorance.’
As for my “goal,” it is to “run the race to the finish,” to “fight the fine fight,” to “endure to the end,” but I leave the destruction of islam, its satanic creator, etc. to God.
It’s truly sad that most of the people living on earth when Christ returns will be told to “go off into destruction.” But, each one chooses the road they are traveling. Only a “few are finding,” the road to life.
God and Jesus are merciful. But they will administer Justice in each case, and most “cases” will result in “destruction.”
And, I am not trying to be the one who decides where anyone goes…except me. Even in that, God and His Son will be telling me if I have been successful. Every other person will be told by the Supreme Justice of the universe, too.
I’m just pointing out what the Bible says regarding these things.
gregbeetham says
The plain truth is that Islam declares itself to be the enemy of everything that isn’t Islamic therefore in my book Muslims are the enemy and we are at war, a fight to the death.
And if anyone treats it any differently to that they will lose, we might even still lose regardless because up until now Islam has taken over everywhere it went with only a few exceptions and those exceptions are gradually being reversed as we speak.
Merri-joy says
Love that answer Mortimer – totally agree!
Yohannes says
He must learn Tolologi from Shitlamic university of Madinah…
Johnny B says
As God says in Hosea 4:1: My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. You would think no Christians would ever accept Muhammad as a prophet but the Pope even promotes Islam these days, so I’m not so sure any longer. These are strange and dangerous times not least for Christians who don’t go along to get along..
gigi says
Dear Johnny, believe in Christ and His words, not in a communist pope! (wtf! you are more intelligent than this!)
Jim says
The Swedish theologian is a typical example of the liberal theology of respecting other cultures. The problem is it thinks one merely has to turn the other cheek, but his theology apparently thinks Christians have infinitely many cheeks to turn, before Christians and Jews receive a reciprocal degree of respect. Recall the two Scandinavian women who believed in the “everybody is basically good” doctrine and went hiking alone without guards or weapons in Morocco. They were attacked by some men from the religion of peace and raped and then murdered and beheaded. So much for respecting the other beliefs. Perhaps they were not wearing a hijab, then they might have been spared. The theologian is like someone who accepted Hitler as a man of peace before WW II and then wondered why he attacked Poland. Similar is to think that inclusion builds sympathy and trust and leads to peaceful cooperation. In one US city the police included a migrant from a foreign country that accepts M. as a prophet, and in a year or so he shot and killed a woman who called 911 for police assistance. The incompatibility of his moral training or of his state of mind with Christian and Jewish values led to crimes against these values. So much for inclusion and tolerance. Foreign values should not simply be accepted and embraced until they have become actually compatible with Western values, not just purported to be compatible.
jca reid says
Respect!! How can ANYONE respect a psycho bandit? A liar, thief, a mass murder, rapist, a slaver,
a paedophile, a necrophile amongst other negative qualities.. This is the man that Muslims hold up to be the ‘perfect human being’. The perfect role model whose conduct should be copied by ALL Muslims. What are these Apologists puting in their coffee?
Walter Sieruk says
As a Christian I can accept that there is a real chance that Muhammad actually might had been a prophet but the important thing to understand is that Muhammad was NOT a prophet send by God. Instead, Muhammad was a deceptive, lying false prophet send by Satan to lead many people astray and even and straight into hell. Jesus, in fact, had predicted and warned of the coming of such men as Muhammad. For Jesus taught “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.” Matthew 7:15. In addition, the Bible further warns that “many false prophets are gone out into the world.” First John 4:1. [N.K.J.V.]
The way to discover if a man who claims to have a message from is a true prophet of God of a false prophet of the Devil is his message concerning the nature of Jesus. For in the Bible verse Isaiah 8:20. This instructs “To the law of the testimony. If they do not speak according to the word, it is because there is no light in them.”
In other words, if a prophet or teacher has teaching that are in contradiction to the Word, the Bible, then that teachers is a false teacher who teaches false doctrines. The Muslim clerics, as the imam and mullahs, teach and speak doctrines about God from the Qu ‘ran .
As the Qu’ran in 112 teaches “He is God alone: God is the eternal begetteth not…” Likewise, this religious book which is the entire foundation of and for Islam further teaches in 19:35. “It is not befitting to God that He should beget a son.” In great contrast the Bible teaches in John 1:14. “The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory of the only begotten of the Father ,full of grace and truth.” Likewise John 3:16 teaches “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son… Then just a little further in verse 18 it is written about Jesus Who is “the only begotten Son of God. “ Other places in the Bible further teach that Jesus is the Son of God as in Matthew 16:15:16. Luke 1:35. John 3:36. First John 4:14. 15. 5:14,15.
Moreover to be even clearer the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, Who is God the Father. As found in Matthew 3:16,17. First John 2:22,23. 4:14,15. Of course , it ,very much, needs to made even more specific . The Bible teaches that Jesus is also God the Son. As seen in Hebrew1:8 and First John 5:20. The imams and mullahs as well as the other apologists for Islam will try to “explain” this all away. As in they will try brush off all those Bible verse off by making the claim that the Bible had been corrupted, through time, by Christians and that’s why the Bible reads as it does. That claim they make actually underestimate the Power of God to protect and keep His Word safe and intact, through time, and away from the corruption of men.
In conclusion ,with the above instruction of the way to find doctrinal truth in Isaiah 8:20 and in the light of the Bible verse provided it may be clearly seen, by all those who are willing to see, that Islam is in terrible doctrinal error and it is therefore Muhammad is false prophet, Matthew 7:15. a false religion, Proverbs 14:12. John 14;6.
somehistory says
This fool is a false prophet, just as the filthy mass-murdering, raper of children, sack of slug slime was a false prophet.
Jesus warned His disciples,, and all who would be Christians, about false prophets and what to do about them.
Jesus also commanded, “Do not throw your pearls before swine…..nor give what is holy to dogs.”
This creep is going directly contrary to the “commands” of Jesus Christ in advocating that Christians “give what is holy to dogs.” This creepy false prophet is going against what the Apostle Paul wrote about “do not be having a sharing with demons.” This lying creep is advocating that Christians “have a sharing with demons,” when he says to accept the mass-murdering, lying son of satan as a “prophet.”
john smith says
Spot on.
Brenda says
This idiot is asking Christians to accept the religion that kills and persecutes Christians.
tim gallagher says
Spot on, Brenda. Muslims are continually killing Christians all over the world and this imbecile wants Christians to be friendly towards the murderers. Muslims don’t seem to think that they should be nice and friendly towards Christians or any other non-Muslims. Any tolerance is always only one way.
john smith says
It seems to me that Jacob Wiren is a convert to Pope Francis’s brand of Christianity, Chrislam.
tim gallagher says
Terrific and witty comment, john. Chrislam. It gave me a laugh. The way I see things, islam is the complete opposite of Christianity, Christianity being loving and peaceful and Islam being full of hate towards non-believers and being extremely violent, so you have to be special kind of idiot to see some similarity between the two. Christianity and Islam are polar opposites.
Goofy says
It appears that this “theologian’ is equally clueless about his Bible and the Koran. The Swedish church used to be staunchly Lutheran but nowadays it has degenerated into a church of political correctness. Beware, on the day of judgment our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ will not look kindly to this perversion of the gospel.
CogitoErgoSum says
If he really wanted to show respect for Muslims he would be paying them the Jizya … but maybe he already is. In fact, maybe he is already a Muslim and joined them in the fight against the Christians …. which is a religion that started as a result of a trick Allah played upon people to make them think Jesus had been crucified. Allah must still be laughing about that one and having a good time sending people to Hell because they believed it. Yes indeed, Allah is all merciful … and has a one of a kind sense of humor. Gotta respect anybody who respects that.
Aussie Infidel says
Jakob Wirén says, “public discourse on Islam is often poisoned by extremism and hatred.” But most non-Muslims hate Muhammad, because Muhammad hated non-Muslims – particularly Jews and Christians (Q3:32, 4:144, 5:12-15, 5:51, 33:57, 35:39, 40:10, 40:35, 48:6, 48:29, 60:4, etc),
Wirén is just another dhimmi fool Westerner who believes that having respect for Muslims will persuade them to respect us. Unfortunately, too many Christians think this way. They need to understand that “turning the other cheek” with Muslims will only get them killed or subjugated under the hegemony of Islam. That is simply the road to religious and cultural annihilation.
James Lincoln says
So, according to the feature article:
“Wirén believes that it is important for Christians to be able to think of Muhammad as a Christian prophet of “respect” for Muslims.”
Using that horrifically perverted rationale, Adolf Hitler should be considered to be a “great leader” out of respect for “Nazis”…
gravenimage says
Church of Sweden ‘theologian’: Christians should accept Muhammad as prophet to show ‘respect’ for Muslims
……………..
Utter insanity. Does Jakob Wirén realize that the “Prophet” Muhammed was a warlord, pedophile, slaver, rapist, and mass slaughterer–including a mass murderer of Christians who did not submit to Islam? Why the hell should Christians “respect” these horrors?
And note that Muslims never respect Christians by accepting Christ (and no, the Christian-murdering figrue of “prophet Isa” is not Jesus).
GreekEmpress says
Accept Muhammad as a prophet?
Thanks, I’ll pass—
Richard I Ellis says
ACCEPT THIS CENTRIES OLD KILLER TO APEASE THE MUZZY CORUPTION OF DEATH IF NON BELIVER? WHAT ROCK DID YOU CRAWL OUT FROM UNDER??
TimothyS says
Although perhaps differing in subtle ways, the term “dhimmi” has a lot in common with “useful idiot”. This guy appears to be the intersectional version of the same.