Where did Joseph Jones and Edward Schimenti learn about Islam? Has their local mosque been investigated? Why not?
“Zion man sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for conspiring to assist ISIS,” by Jason Meisner, Chicago Tribune, March 3, 2021 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A north suburban man was sentenced Wednesday to 12 years in federal prison for attempting to aid the Islamic State terrorist group by providing cellphones to an undercover FBI agent to be used as detonators for bombs.
Joseph Jones and his friend Edward Schimentiwere [sic] convicted by a federal jury in 2019 of conspiracy to provide material support to a terrorist organization.
In rejecting prosecutors’ request for a 17-year term, U.S. District Judge Andrea Wood said that while any terrorism case is serious, the scheme that Jones was convicted of “was not of comparable severity” as many others where specific violence was planned.
“This is not a case where anyone claims Mr. Jones was actually planning on carrying out a terrorism attack,” Wood said. “And it’s not disputed … that Mr. Jones never actually made contact with anyone directly involved with ISIS.”…
Jones also insisted he was never out to hurt anybody but simply “trying to be a good Muslim and a good American.”
“I consider myself a patriot,” he said in a voice choked with emotion. “I have my own view and my own beliefs, and it’s not about hatred.”
In asking for a 17-year sentence, Assistant U.S. Attorney Barry Jonas wrote in a court filing that although the friends were not planning to travel overseas themselves to fight, they celebrated the violence that ISIS perpetrated and believed they were assisting in it.
“The defendants deliberately attempted to assist an extremely violent terrorist group they knew was engaged in a wide range of atrocities,” Jonas wrote. “Not only were defendants aware of these atrocities, they celebrated them, gleefully watching horrific execution videos and sharing such ISIS propaganda online.”…
Jones found Islam as a teen and credits the religion with helping get him sober, Boyle said. But his continuing research on the formation of an Islamic state “took him to dark places on the internet,” including “slick” videos produced by ISIS that glorified attacks on civilians, which Jones does not condone.
“He believes that Islam never justifies violence against people who are just trying to live their lives,” Boyle wrote.
Renewing an argument from trial that Jones was entrapped by undercover FBI agents, Boyle said that Jones feels betrayed by the government and that “they pressured him into something he didn’t want to do.”…
Jurors were shown one propaganda video found on Schimenti’s computer showing terrorists clad in all black standing behind six captured Kurdish fighters whispering prayers while on their knees. Prosecutors stopped the video as the terrorist narrating it in English held a large knife up to the throat of one of the captives….
In February 2017, Schimenti took the informant to a gym in Zion to train for the battlefield. Remarking on his own weight problem, Schimenti said on an undercover recording that what mattered most in jihad was “hand-to-hand” combat skills, not physical fitness.
“Man, you know I’m all big, fat,” Schimenti said on the recording played for jurors. “But (God willing) the brothers will just have me be the one to cut the neck.”
Although the charges do not allege the two participated in any violence, Schimenti talked with the informant about future plans to attack Naval Station Great Lakes in North Chicago, a short distance from his home.
On April 7, 2017, Schimenti and Jones dropped off Mohammed at O’Hare International Airport equipped with cellphones they had purchased at his direction, according to the charges.
“Drench that land with they, they blood,” Schimenti allegedly said as he and Jones saw the man off at the airport.
Boyle told reporters he was “disappointed” that jurors rejected his argument of entrapment….
Wellington says
All other matters being equal, if these men had converted to Christianity (Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism, et al. as well) instead of Islam, what are the chances they would be in the position they are now? I rate the chances at either as close to absolute zero as one can get without actually being there or at absolute zero. I favor the latter.
Islam is sick to its core. In microcosm, these two Bozos help prove this hypothesis.
And no modern adult, at least moderately intelligent and anywhere on earth, and especially in a Western nation since the West pioneered freedom as no other civilization remotely has, has any defense for defending Islam, let alone converting to it, mortal enemy of liberty, equality under the law, women’s rights, overall fun too, fine alcohol, great pork products, pictorial art, music—ah, a long list. Very, very long and a very infamous list at that.
The burden continues. And the burden is not so much Islam itself but continued exculpation of Islam.
gravenimage says
+1
juleonly says
Wherever there is a weak link in our society, angry people will be at risk of all destructive groups. We need more economic equality and America First. We need a strong border. Americans are too stressed for too long especially in big cities.
Michael Copeland says
“He believes that Islam never justifies violence against people who are just trying to live their lives,” Boyle wrote.
That belief is mistaken. Islam mandates violence against non-muslims, who are to be fought against and subjugated. The only way for people to “Iive their lives” is the Islamic way. Nothing else is acceptable.
Wellington says
If only this one fact about Islam was widely known, putting aside all the other iniquitous facts about this religion, as examples, death for apostasy and the sanctioning of rape as evidenced in the Koran itself, Suras 4: 89 and Suras 4, 23, 33 and 70 respectively, it should be enough to discredit this decrepit excuse for a religion for all time.
Again is arguably demonstrated that the single greatest ally of evil is continued willful ignorance of evil. Surely I would contend this—yes I do.
gravenimage says
So true, Michael and Wellington.
Emmie says
Jones also insisted he was never out to hurt anybody but simply “trying to be a good Muslim and a good American.”
These two ideas are diametrically opposed—you can’t be a good muslim and a good American.
jca reid says
My view, if it really looked like they were planning a Terrorist attack & they were US citizens, then that’s TREASON! Pure & Simple. Take then out & execute them by Firing Squad. Dumb clucks falling for the Muslim BS of loads of Sex slaves & Loot!
Dude says
Why else would anybody join this cult?
If you have a need to murder, rape, rob, or take slaves then this is really the only socially acceptable way to do it. Such activities are not only recommended, but they are all glorified by all cult members around the world.
EVIL AKHBAR, dude.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Dude.
Donovan Nuera says
Converts seem to sport very obvious prayer bumps… need to coin an adage to educate regular citizens to watch out for these troglodytes…
“If a prayer bump upon his forehead you spy/
He thinks your friends and family should die!”
Donovan Nuera says
Can you coin a better and snappy adage?? Go for it, fellow Kafirs!
notnolib says
Is that called the “allahahahaha bump”? I like ’em when they’re real dark and filled with puss. Some assistance with gettin’ that forehead down there is sometimes required. The goal being to get the muslim a personal appointment with allahahahaha, and the virgins.
gravenimage says
Illinois: Men convert to Islam, plot jihad mass murder, plan attack on Chicago naval station
……………
Just being good Muslims. Glad this ugly plot was foiled.
R Thomasson says
I believe the place for this duo terrorists is not in Federal prison, but in Guantanamo Bay. A Federal prison treats its inhabitants in a too nice way, that doesn’t suit people who aim to mass kill US citizens, and soldiers in a naval base. There is big difference between Islam of born Muslims, and the one of Joseph Jones and Edward Schimenti. Not all Muslims are natural born killers. They were born into a religion, and they follow its rules; one more, one less. People as Joseph Jones and Edward Schimenti, who convert themselves into Islam, join the pack for the license to kill. Islam gives them a carte blanche to murder as many as possible innocent people who don’t share their mindset. It is obvious that most of them choose to be blood thirsty terrorists. The Green Mile is the best place to keep them away from their potential victims.
James Lincoln says
R Thomasson,
I agree, Gitmo would be my number one pick.
ADX Florence Colorado would be number two…
John Forbes says
All over the WEST you see this continual DENIAL about how deadly this so- called Religion of Peace is! Publically it statred with the DIMMIST DIM WIT – George W Bush in his IDIOTIC statement : Islam is a Religion of Peace & Violence has nothing go do with Islam. The BUSH family has very deep ties to the Saudis & the Bin Ladins in particular. Corruption runs very deep!
Shirley Ann says
You are 100% Right. I remember that Speech from G.W. & I’m not for sure, but I believe he was pushing the LIE From the Mosque near the WhiteHouse. I could not believe that G.Dummy threatened us NOT TO BOTHER OUR MUSLIM NEIGHBORS. ISLAM was a RELIGION OF PEACE, the Worst Lie, because most Americans fell for it. G.Dummy opened the Gates of America for our Muslim Enemies to Enter.
notnolib says
Robert asked:
Where did Joseph Jones and Edward Schimenti learn about Islam?
From the official terror guide of the gutter cult of islam, the koran. The koran was actually shat into the arabian sands years ago by a pedophile named mohammed who had carnal relations with, then later a meal of his favorite pig, or “dad” as he called it. Mo didn’t know about proper cooking of “dad”, and got some intestinal distress.
Has their local mosque been investigated?
No
Why not?
That would be islamophobic.
SuchindranathAiyerS says
Only cowards or perverts committed to greed, lust and cruelty ever converted to Islam. In Illinois, it is the latter:
Jack Holan says
There is something fundamentally wrong with this Judge.
Jack Holan says
News Guard’s Warning is bias and duplicitous by nature. The meaning of my statement is MSM daily omits critical news that changes the entire tenor and significance, weight of their reporting. Their choice of words and emphasis slants the meaning of what they want the public to believe. Therefore they are setting a preconceived bias into the news for the Public to believe often untrue. News Guard doesn’t affix their warning caution to CBS, NBC, CNN, and the rest of them. Therefore they/re liars.
James Lincoln says
I checked out NewsGuard, Jack.
A definite Left-leaning bias…
Shirley Ann says
I’m with JCA Reid, Stupidity makes the best converts to The Cult of Islam & these two locals had the Lowest IQ Scores, I bet. A low IQ should not Exempt dummies from Responsibility, & they were assisting a real Terrorist, by taking him to the Airport. If Wannabe Terrorists were ever really Punished, it would stop others, who desire the same Bloodlust. POC Seem to be drawn to that Foul Cult, but PC RULES.
Proud Islamophobe says
Black people always look so stupid when they become moslems. If only they knew what islam said about them.