Malaysia has for a considerable period had a reputation as “moderate,” but it is moving toward full implementation of Sharia.
The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law. It’s based on the Qur’an: “They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.” (Qur’an 4:89)
A hadith depicts Muhammad saying: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him” (Bukhari 9.84.57). The death penalty for apostasy is part of Islamic law according to all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence.
This is still the position of all the schools of Islamic jurisprudence, both Sunni and Shi’ite. Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the most renowned and prominent Muslim cleric in the world, has stated: “The Muslim jurists are unanimous that apostates must be punished, yet they differ as to determining the kind of punishment to be inflicted upon them. The majority of them, including the four main schools of jurisprudence (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali) as well as the other four schools of jurisprudence (the four Shiite schools of Az-Zaidiyyah, Al-Ithna-‘ashriyyah, Al-Ja’fariyyah, and Az-Zaheriyyah) agree that apostates must be executed.”
Qaradawi also once famously said: “If they had gotten rid of the apostasy punishment, Islam wouldn’t exist today.”
“Nur Sajat Receives Death Threats For Wanting To Quit Islam,” by Syahrul, Hype, March 4, 2021 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Nur Sajat has been dominating the headlines for these past few days.
Unsurprisingly. the latest issue involving the sensational business figure has sparked a major outrage among local netizens. Some even took it too far by leaving threatening to put an end to her life!
Recently, several screenshots showing netizens plotting to kill Sajat (full name Muhammad Sajjad Kamaruzzaman) began circulating on social media. As stated by Twitter user @syafiqmasrii, this came after the queer figure expressed her intention to renounce Islam.
Some of the comments left by them include:
- “Who wants to kill her now let’s go!!!”
- “Kill her.”
- “Pancung ja (Off with her head right away).”
- “Her blood is halal now.”
- “I feel like killing someone.”
Despite that, a few social media users out there also stepped forward to defend the sizzling influencer against the IG trolls. In this case, most of them pointed out their disagreement towards the actions of those who arbitrarily inflict punishment on other people….
“Cops want to help JAIS track down Nur Sajat,” by C. Aruno, Martin Carvalho and R. Aravinthan, The Star, March 3, 2021 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
STATE police are willing to help the Selangor Islamic Religious Department (JAIS) trace the whereabouts of cosmetics entrepreneur Muhammad Sajjad Kamaruzzaman, better known as Nur Sajat, Utusan Malaysia reported.
Acting Selangor police chief Deputy Comm Datuk Arjunaidi Mohamed said JAIS had yet to officially contact the police for assistance in the matter.
It was reported that JAIS had raided Nur Sajat’s home in Section 10, Kota Damansara at about 9pm on Sunday but was unable to locate him.
The well-known entrepreneur is wanted by JAIS for failing to show up at the Syariah High Court to answer charges for dressing up as a woman, which is frowned upon in Islam.
The court had issued a warrant of arrest against Nur Sajat on Feb 23 after the entrepreneur failed to show up for case mention, and is believed to have gone into hiding….
mortimer says
Murdering apostates by vigilantes is FULLY sanctioned by Islam’s highest scholarly authorities.
-“The four schools of law all concur that apostasy is a crime, and that an apostate should he asked to repent, and that if he does not he should be killed.” – Grand Imam Ahmed el-Tayed
-In 1992, Islamist militants gunned down Egyptian secularist Farag Foda. Before his death, he had been declared an apostate and enemy of Islam. During the trial of the murderers, Al Azhar scholar Muhammad al-Ghazali testified that when the state fails to punish apostates, somebody else has to do it.
No doctrine depends on a single Koranic verse, but on the Koran, hadiths, Sira and canonical rulings. What is ‘normative Islam’ is decided by the fatwa department at Al Azhar University, not by private opinion of a Muslim individual.
In the 1992 murder of apostate Farag Foda, Al Azhar’s scholars argued that when the state fails to punish apostates, “somebody else has to do it.”
So, vigilantism is normative Islam, rather than an aberration.
Wellington says
Eminently correct, mortimer, about the worst religion of all time.
juleonly says
If you can call it religion. I call it Warlord Mafia on steroids
gravenimage says
Islam is a religion–it is an *evil* religion.
gravenimage says
Grimly true, Mortimer.
Sabri S. says
And this is the type of lies and hypocrisy I will always expose. Why don’t you islamophobic infidels tell the truth. This thing is not being persecuted because of Islam or any apostasy nonsense (which went out in the modern muslim world by the way). This mentally ill TRANSGENDER degenerate is being persecuted because of its immorality, and Malaysians don’t want this filth infecting their societies like it has in the West. Come to think of it, no Muslim country wants this filth, confusion or immorality that is transgenderism in their societies at any level. Seriously, did you thinik thiis would fly in a muslim country. Nur Sajat is free to practice any religion it wants. How is a man trying to turn himself into a woman, and embarrassing itself before God, Family and culture going to turn this into some sort of islamic issue. The Quran and scholars are very clear in all THREE abrahamic faiths – homosexuality, transgenderism and this filth is forbidden, dangerous to society, and against God’s law on all levels. Hopefully, this confused, degenerate, immoral and depraved westernized freak will be found and eliminated over the weekend – N’Sha Allah!!!!!
william carr says
“Islam or any apostasy nonsense (which went out in the modern muslim world by the way)”
That claim is patently unfounded. people who leave Islam or even appear ‘too Western’ are being murdered all the time Often by their own parents or relatives. I have no idea where you live but if you are not aware of that you are basically ignorant
Giacomo Latta says
+1
gravenimage says
True, William. In fact, Sabri S. himself is an advocate of Muslims “Honor Killing” their own children. *Horrifying*.
LB says
I actually agree with you that LGBTQWERTY+++ agenda is cancer and that transgender people are mentally ill. In fact, it is one of the main causes of the downfall of Western Civilization. I do however disagree with the methods you muslims use to combat it, namely hunting down and killing on sight anyone who isn’t straight. Killing or otherwise physically harming people is almost never the answer unless they themselves are murderers or child rapists (a good chunk of you muslims fall into that category by the way).
To combat a social disease, you need to use social means. This means publicly discouraging and actively shunning LGBTQWERTY+++ garbage on a social level. Raise the awareness among your people that it’s not only immoral but mentally unhealthy as well. One look at the stats will tell you that most gay relationships lead to inevitable break up and unhappiness, as well as that just below half of ALL transgender people commit suicide which makes them the world’s #1 most suicidal group of people.
If you point that out to people, you’ll have more success in “straightening them out” than by threatening them (“don’t be gay, or else!”). If you forbid people from doing something they will just actively seek it out more, so the trick is to discourage them from the start (“go ahead and be gay, but just know that…”).
P.S. On an unrelated note, what do you think about having sex with underage boys since so many muslims seem to practice it? Is that gay or not?
juleonly says
Opinions are not science. They are not fact. They are not spiritual religion. Never should persecution be based on someones opinion. Nature makes mistakes. Nature is not always consistent. I would get more upset about Bacchi Boys forced by men to be their sex toys, marrying 6.8 or 12 year old little girls and making them have sex or have 4 wives even.
LB says
juleonly,
So by your logic, since communism and fascism are not science, they are subjective opinions and are therefore immune to criticism. Give me a break! NOTHING is above criticism and ridicule, which is something leftists and muslims fight tooth and nail to suppress and police. Just because muslims killing and raping children is more vile than consensual gay relationships does not mean that the latter should not be addressed at all.
As for whether being gay trans or whatever is “nature”, that’s heavily disputable if you just take a look where and when all of this LGBTQWERTY+++ nonsense came from and where it is most represented and pushed for (spoiler alert: it’s not in low-economy developing countries), and what’s its political views and agendas are.
gravenimage says
LB, do you have a problem with Muslims murdering this person? It seems that this is the main issue here.
James Lincoln says
Sabri S. says.
“…Hopefully, this confused, degenerate, immoral and depraved westernized freak will be found and eliminated over the weekend…”
“Eliminated”…
Sounds like an honor killing, which you have gone on record multiple times as supporting…
gravenimage says
Grimly true.
Wellington says
Your post, Sabri S., reminded me of Joe Louis, the great heavyweight boxer who was a black American. When he voluntarily enlisted in the United States Army in January of 1942, he was asked why a black man would fight for the US considering the great amount of prejudice that existed in America at that time towards black Americans. HIs response was perfect. He said, “Whatever’s the matter with America it ain’t nothing Hitler can fix.”
Well, whatever’s the matter with the West, it ain’t nothing Islam can fix. QED.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Wellington.
john smith says
Sabri, there is no doubt in my mind that you are an exceptionally good muslim, you choose darkness for light, evil for goodness, every time. I constantly ask myself how can any rational thinking human being believe that murder is the will of God. I also ask myself how can anyone in their right mind follow the teachings of an evil, vile, filthy murderous pervert. I struggle hard to find the answers to such questions, I really do.
Then I look toward your so called god allah, and the answers are staring me in the face. allah is not a god of peace and love, he’s quite the opposite, he is a god of war and hate. There is no goodness in him, only evil death and destruction.
You muslims believe that you worship the same God as Christians, but I can tell you with absolute certainty, that you do not. Your allah is not the God of the Bible he is no other than satan himself, make no mistake about that. If continue down this path your on, you may well get to join him in his kingdom. It’s up to you Sabri, no one but your self can choose your destiny.
gravenimage says
+1
Gaye says
I put this together some time ago..
Both the bible and the quran gives us a very clear clue as to who Allah is.
Allah is described as the greatest deceiver in the Qur’an (Surah 3:54); in fact the best makr there is: (makr means DECEIVER),
HOWEVER,
Hebrews 6:18 say, “It is impossible for God to lie”, hmmm, so this alone means that Allah is not the same god as the God of the Jews and Christians.
The bible says it is Satan who is described as the deceiver, and in just one place alone (Rev 12:9); it says… ‘And the GREAT dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which DECEIVETH the whole world”: And today we have the whole world being deceived and even our own politicians seem to be deceived.
(John 8:44) says…Satan was a murderer from the beginning. And the great esteemed prophet of the muslims whose example they are told to follow implicitly, himself murdered people even with his own bare hands, he raided villages, raped, tortured and took sex slaves. M. M. Pickthall , It is not fitting for a prophet to take captives until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Or…. Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985) It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land.
I do not agree with what the left are manipulating and forcing our societies into, it is abhorrent to God, however, how can anyone follow a god that tells its followers to slaughter, rape etc all who will not submit..
gravenimage says
Sabri S. wrote:
And this is the type of lies and hypocrisy I will always expose. Why don’t you islamophobic infidels tell the truth. This thing is not being persecuted because of Islam or any apostasy nonsense (which went out in the modern muslim world by the way). This mentally ill TRANSGENDER degenerate is being persecuted because of its immorality, and Malaysians don’t want this filth infecting their societies like it has in the West.
……………………….
If Sabri S. *really* believed this then he would be chiding his coreligionsts for wanting to murder Nur Sajat for leaving Islam, and tell them that she should only be murdered for being trans.
She had been harrassed by Islamic authorities before, but the wave of death threats started when she left Islam.
Moreover, Sabri S. himself has said that anyone should be murdered for “blasphemy”, and that such blasphemy includes leaving Islam.
Then, leaving Islam is illegal in Malaysia–yet Sabri S. lies and says that this does not exist in the contemporary Muslim world. In fact, leaving Islam is punishable by death in many parts of Dar-al-Islam, including Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. Why isn’t Sabri S. jetting off to those Muslim nations to tell them how they have gotten everything so very, very wrong? Instead, he is pestering the good Infidels here at Jihad Watch.
More:
Come to think of it, no Muslim country wants this filth, confusion or immorality that is transgenderism in their societies at any level. Seriously, did you thinik thiis would fly in a muslim country. Nur Sajat is free to practice any religion it wants. How is a man trying to turn himself into a woman, and embarrassing itself before God, Family and culture going to turn this into some sort of islamic issue. The Quran and scholars are very clear in all THREE abrahamic faiths – homosexuality, transgenderism and this filth is forbidden, dangerous to society, and against God’s law on all levels. Hopefully, this confused, degenerate, immoral and depraved westernized freak will be found and eliminated over the weekend – N’Sha Allah!!!!!
……………………….
Note that Sabri S. thinks that trans people are filth, but is fine with pedophilia, kidnapping, rape, and sex slavery.
And his implication that Jews and Christians are as apt to murder trans people as are savage Muslims is of course quite false. Even those who consider transgender immoral are not committing the much greater immorality of murder. Not so with pious Muslims, though. *Ugh*.
Wellington says
Sabri S., gravenimage, makes no headway here and, as you pointed out, is a liar. This person also fails to grasp that true virtue can exist only where one is free to be non-virtuous and Islam does not permit any kind of freedom, thus virtue in the Islamic world is sham virtue.
Another Muslim loser is Sabri S. Excuse the redundancy.
gravenimage says
True, Wellington.
And even worse is what pious Muslims consider to be “moral”–rape, including of little children; the crushing of freedom; and murder of non-threatening victims, again, including of children.
Islam is not just immoral–it is the very inversion of morality.
Rob Porter says
Sabri S. —And yours are the lies I will always expose. Why doesn’t a Christianophobic, Judaeophobic, Hinduphobic, Muslim lunatic like you tell the truth and admit that every branch of Islam still maintains that the penalty for apostasy is death? Contrary to your other lie, Nur Sajat is NOT “free to practice any religion” he/it “wants” while living in a mentally deranged Islamic society! The violent reaction to Sajat’s decision says it all and trumpets to the world, ‘This is Islam, we love to murder!’ And, yes, this very much is “some sort of Islamic issue”.
On two matters we will agree, contrary to the rubbish we in the West are fed almost daily, Western medical science long ago discovered that transgenderism is a “mental disorder” that requires “sympathetic treatment”. But in ignorant, pathetically backward Islam, to hell with ‘treatment’, there must be a penalty of death for having a ‘mental disorder’. Secondly, the Bible makes clear that homosexuality is rejected by God and thus is against His law.
Further, if Islam opposes homosexuality, why did Mohammad advocate the sodomizing of young boys to whom he referred as “scattered pearls”? “Those are the ones brought near in the Gardens of Pleasure, a company of the former peoples and a few of the later peoples, on thrones woven, reclining on them, facing each other. There will circulate among them young boys made eternal with vessels, pitchers and a cup from a flowing spring.” — Qur’an 56:11-18. And this not disgusting Islamic perversion?
SKA says
If Islam totally rejects transgenderism why does the Islamic Republic of Iran give passive homosexual men the option of a male-to-female sex change operation rather than execution?
gravenimage says
Islam mostly seems to have a problem with consensual same sex relationships. Molesting boys or raping victims to humiliate them seems to be fine.
Peter Buckley says
At first it was just a “trickle”, with genuinely brave individuals like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Warraq and the like. Now we’re seeing more and more muslims who are public figures either openly criticizing their faith, or leaving it completely. This first generation of ex-muslims are doing a wonderful job of facilitating apostasy for other muslims. The more apostasy grows, the safer it becomes, on a daily basis. Imagine how this will be in the next generation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkiEvlPoqDs
What wondrous times are these………
SKA says
And many of these “apostates” like ibn Warraq, Wafa as Sultan, and others previously mentioned bring wonderful intellectual gifts to humanity.
But rather than giving implicit legitimacy to Shari’ah by calling them “apostates” why not turn a Mohametan shibboleth on its head instead by calling them “reverts” – to humanity!
Jewcat says
Very smart suggestion, SKA!
revereridesagain says
Given how so much of the West has punted on its responsibility to civilization by enabling resurgent Islam, we will apparently have to focus more hope on these brave apostates.
gravenimage says
I hope so. Peter.
Infidel says
The idea that Malaysia is still ‘moderate’ is as laughable as the idea that Russia is still ‘Communist’ or that China is still a ‘free enterprise’ country that it was under Deng Xiao Ping. This is a country that’s allied w/ Turkey and Pakistan in their ‘anti-islamophobia’ jihad, has been harboring Zakir Naik, still practices the Bhumiputra apartheid policies against non-muslims (although that policy claims to look after the interests of indegenous people, non muslim people like Dayaks and Orang Aslis are not covered, whereas muslim Hui Chinese, who’re not indigenous, are covered) and as this story points out, refuses to recognize Malays’ right to renounce islam as their religion
Nur Sajat should escape to Singapore or Thailand if she can, and formally embrace another religion such as Buddhism, Christianity or Hinduism, even if she chooses to be a practicing agnostic. That way, she’ll be better capable of claiming refugee status
gravenimage says
She’d be a refugee whether she converts to another faith or not, Infidel. She is still in danger from her former coreligionists regardless.
revereridesagain says
Let me see if I’ve got this, excuse the expression, straight: Nur Sajat is a male who dresses as a woman — quite stylishly I must say — who has chosen to leave Islam. The predictably hysterical slaves of Allah howling for blood refer to the cross-dressing man as “her” when apparently he is not officially transgendered. Well, considering the popularity in certain slave-of-Allah circles of sexual slave “dancing boys” I suppose nothing should surprise us any longer but it does get confusing.
SKA says
+1
JOEYN says
I believe the government actually wants to get her/him for apostasy but they do not want others to think that Malaysia is against freedom of religion and neither do they want to create a bad image of Islam and so they report it as if that they are going after him/her for cross-dressing.
JOEYN says
I had a look at the article ““Nur Sajat Receives Death Threats For Wanting To Quit Islam,” by Syahrul, Hype, March 4, 2021”. Based on the comments made in response to that article, many are justifying taking criminal action against him not because he left Islam but because he slandered Islam. So now when one leaves Islam they are deemed to be actually slandering it. The deceit in the religion and its followers is unbelievable.
JOEYN says
Most likely this is going to end with the authorities tracking him down and forcing him to retract his desire to leave Islam. He will probably then have to declare publicly that he was not in the frame of mind when he expressed his desire to leave Islam. After that he will turn over a new leave and lead his life ‘happily ever after’ as an extra pious Muslim.
gravenimage says
Often leaving Islam is categorized as “slandering Islam”. And leaving Islam *is* illegal in Malaysia in any case.
Joeyn says
Sadly that is true in gravenimage
Joeyn says
Please ignore the ‘in’. A typo. Yes they create all kinds of nonsense to punish you based on their religion. That is why Syariah law is really dangerous. You will never win a single case against them even though you did not commit any crime. Especially when you are non-Muslim
gravenimage says
Thank you, Joeyn–agreed.
Wellington says
Invariably when one is dealing with an evil ideology or organization, it is not necessary to know the full panoply of wickedness existent within that ideology or organization in order to conclude that the entire ideology or organization is reprehensible. One fully evil principle is enough to dismiss all of the crap put forth by a horrible ideology or organization—and often to the actual requirement of death at that.
With Nazism, demonization of Jews is enough, never mind all the other rot. With Marxism, demonization of the upper and middle classes is enough, never mind all the other rot. With the KKK, demonization of blacks is enough, never mind all the other rot. With BLM and Antifa, demonization of America is enough, never mind all the other rot. And with Islam, demonization of ex-Muslims is enough, never mind all the other rot.
Oh yeah, demonization of conservatives en masse by the modern Democratic Party is enough as well, never mind all the other rot perpetrated by this bastardization of the former Democratic Party.
Despising iniquity is fully justified. And yes, it is my unalterable conviction that the modern Democratic Party of America has become an iniquitous institution. I lump it together with so many other unfortunate, though influential, errors in mankind’s history. I concede it no quarter. None. Like Nazism, Marxism, the KKK,, BLM, Antifa and Islam, mankind would be better off were the modern Democratic Party of the USA no more, especially considering that it remains so powerful in the most powerful country on earth.
tim gallagher says
That’s Islam for you. What a barbaric, bloodthirsty and totally pathetic load of crap Islam is. If you are a thug, a bully or a person who loves the idea of going out and murdering people, but you feel the need to have a version of god that actually supports your evil character, then Islam is certainly the religious ideology for you.
Wellington says
Agreed, tg. The more devoutly practicing the Muslim, the more a menace to humanity such a person is—in sundry ways.
If truth eventually be told, which is problematical to say the least, this should read as Islam’s final epitaph.
JohnTheRevelator says
Spot on Tim.
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comments, Wellington and JohntheRevelator. Islam is a disgusting religious ideology with no high ideals to aim for, and it does condone rape, murder, honour killings, paedophilia (all those child brides), etc. The biggest problem is that so many people don’t seem to see clearly how horrendous islam is, including the current Pope. So many people keep telling us to respect islam. I get that some people are possibly too busy to learn much about islam, but the evidence is so strong, with almost 40,000 Muslim terrorist attacks since the 9/11 atrocities, plus the rape gangs, etc, so it annoys me, and baffles me, that so many people haven’t woken up yet to Islam’s diabolical nature.
James Lincoln says
tim,
It takes more than a little cognitive effort to learn the truth about islam. I’ve done it, you’ve done it, and other anti-jihadist posters on this website have done it.
If one only listens to / reads stuff from the mainstream media, CAIR, muslim apologists, islamic scholars, etc., they would never know the truth about islam.
Luckily there is Jihad Watch – and a few other credible websites that present the truth.
Bottom line: if the mainstream media conducted due diligence and always required high standards of journalism, islam would not stand a chance – and that would be no need for websites such as Jihad Watch…
gravenimage says
Then, James, there are those not just ignorant of the threat of Islam, but those in willful denial who don’t *want* to learn that Islam is a danger.
tim gallagher says
Yes, what you say is right, James. I find it hard to excuse these maggots (maybe they are just completely gutless cowards) in the mainstream media who keep excusing islam and giving it a free pass, despite all the endless Muslim terrorist attacks and rape gangs whether in the UK, Sweden, etc,. To me, there is so much evidence by now, and I believe that most journalists must have a pretty good idea of all the evil and all the trouble that Muslims keep causing, so they should be telling the truth. I suppose they are told by the media owners what to write. I have said this before, but I have pretty left wing siblings and some friends and I do notice that, no matter how smart they are, once they do get all their news from the left wing sources they get their info from, then they do go along with the left wing line, although I have noticed that some of them have gradually woken up to the problems with Islam (because of the weight of evidence , just too many Muslim terrorist attacks, etc). I sometimes think that this is similar to how it would have been trying to wake people up to the nature of the Nazis in the 1920s and 1930s. People do have a great capacity to wish away unpalatable realities, as you say, gravenimage. I suppose it is a more pleasant and peaceful life if you can ignore unpleasantness. It is such a slow process getting people to wake up and face up to reality.
JohnTheRevelator says
It never occurs to these savages that human life is always more important than any belief system. If your religion instructs you to kill others for any reason then your religion is the problem, not people.
Fortunately most religions do have a ‘golden rule’ which is to live and let live, treat others with respect, except Islam of course. This is why it has been and continues to be a danger to the whole planet for 1400 years.
This toxic ideology is not to be trifled with. As Brigitte Gabriel often says we need to throw political correctness in the garbage esp. when it comes to Islam. Liberals foolishly project their own Leftist values on Muslims while completely ignoring the teachings of Islam and how they are practiced in real life.
You cannot peacefully coexist with a group of people who disagree with you on the fundamentals, like freedom of speech, conscience, assembly, etc. Muslims want to live under Sharia rule but what they don’t tell us is that they plan to force us to live under it as well. This is why conflicts and eventually wars happen. It is time the West woke up and worked on removing Islam from our countries.
James Lincoln says
JohnTheRevelator,
Excellent post, my compliments.
You packed a lot in there – all should read…
JohnTheRevelator says
Much appreciated James, cheers.
tim gallagher says
Very good summary of the situation, JohnTheRevelator. I guess you must be right about the way the left wingers seem to support Islam., when they should be able to see that on so many issues, backward islam, with its misogyny, homophobia, etc, should be the arch enemy of all left wing people. Of course, they share a hatred of the West, so that brings them together, but I don’t understand why left wing progressives think that they have anything much (apart from their shared hatred for the West) in common with islam. I agree with you that, if enough of us do wake up to Islam’s true nature, we’d shut it out. My main policy towards islam is to just keep it out of all non-Muslim countries by slamming the door shut on Muslim migrants. Why let this enemy into our countries?
JohnTheRevelator says
@Tim, thanks and agreed, you’re absolutely right. It’s a question I’ve struggled with also. Leftists should be the natural enemy of Islam, far more than the Right. They claim to love freedom and oppose tyranny, fascism, oppression and yet today they are aligned with those same evil forces.
Many on the Left are really gullible and foolish as well. When someone claims to be a victim, they take them at face value and support their cause without any kind of vetting. This is why we see them marching with Muslim Arabs who seek to eradicate Israel and the Jews.
Part of the problem is that they assume if you have a dark skin tone, you’re automatically oppressed and the greedy capitalists/Conservatives are the cause of all their problems. They fail to realize that there are many other ideologies that have been and still are fascist and totalitarian in nature and which don’t originate in the West.
If they were truly objective and open-minded, they’d study Islam and it’s history so that they could truly understand what Muslims think and believe. If properly educated any non-Muslim would instantly realize that Islam is a threat to them and their family, their nation and their way of life.
Muslims know this all too well which is why they’re spreading the meme of Islamophobia and trying to get any criticism of their death cult described as ‘hate speech’ and shut down.
Fortunately not all Leftists are mindless tools. There are prominent intellectuals on the Left like Sam Harris, the late C Hitchens and Richard Dawkins among others, who have sounded the alarm on Islam to their fellow Leftists.
All we need is to have a critical mass of westerners, around 70% who are informed enough on Islam to realize it’s a danger to our civilization in order for us to halt its advance. I believe we are getting there. Let’s also not forget there are still people on the Right who think we can coexist with Muslims, that need to ‘smell the jihad’ as well.
Muslims are the best form of advertising for their ideology. The more rapes, bombings, explosions, riots, etc. the more westerners wake up with every attack, so they’re doing much of the work for us. I too believe that we need to stop all Islamic immigration and start deportations. Islam is a very brutal, cruel and terrible ideology.
I hope that after we save our countries, we can help other nations rid themselves of Islam, just to save innocent women/children who never asked to be born into that barbaric muslim culture and to be spared from stonings, honor-killings, beatings and other horrors that Islam brings to the world.
gravenimage says
All too true, John–sadly, I know a lot of people like this.
JohnTheRevelator says
Ditto Graven….frankly Islam should be taught in all our schools so that future generations will be well-prepared to deal with this ideology. Mass education is the key to defeating Islam.
gravenimage says
John, I wish the *truth* about Islam was taught in the schools–but these days when Islam is taught it is generally a grotesque whitewash.
SKA says
Worse than that – using CAIR approved “lesson plans” students are required to learn how to pronounce and write the Shahada in Arabic. Idiotic teachers do not realize that according to Islamic doctrine doing this suffices to convert the child to Islam. Of course there are issues of informed consent and personal intention but these are just stuffy Western notions in the eyes of the da’wa-mongers.
tim gallagher says
Terrific comment, JohnTheRevelator, and I agree with everything you have written there. The key to it all has to be getting enough people to wake up to islam’s vile and dangerous nature and its aims. AS you say, probably 70% would do it. The Left wing should loathe primitive, barbaric Islam. I heard Mark Steyn being interviewed out here in Australia 5 or 6 years ago on radio and he was asked about why the left go along with islam and he said, which is the only answer I can find, is that it can only be because they both hate our western societies. I’m sure you are right about the skin colour aspect also. Something that I think about the left is that many of them are really welded onto their view of how the world is, even though I believe their view of things is actually a fantasy land version of the way things are. They are so convinced that they are the only virtuous ones and it is all written in stone for them. They set up a nonsense vision of how the world should be and then are welded on to the idea that that is reality. However, I am encouraged because there are some people who started as left wingers and are now people whose views I admire. One is the conservative historian in England, Paul Johnson. Here in Australia, Andrew Bolt is conservative who, years ago, started out as a somewhat left wing type, so some of them do ditch their earlier views. I agree with you on the goal of keeping Muslims out and, ultimately, one day, getting rid of the scourge of Islam.
gravenimage says
True, SKA–that this is being allowed is suicidal madness.
gravenimage says
Good post, John.
JohnTheRevelator says
Thanks Graven.
Michael Copeland says
The texts they recite instruct them to ambush and kill us.
We are their enemy: this is their “Realm of War”.
Commanded to view us with hatred as lower than beasts,
They’re permitted to use deception, and lie to us all.
From “Here And Round Us”
https://gatesofvienna.net/2021/02/here-and-round-us/
Fred van de Bunt says
Killing, is a necessity, to eat, to defend, or to punish as a retribution to utmost evil deeds.
So to eat, we kill on a daily basis.
So to defend, we are sometimes forced to kill.
So to punish, we sometimes kill the utmost evil killers, as a deterrence message.
In Islam one kills humans that that do not conform to Islam sharia rules.
No necessity, no defence, no punishment and deterrence for utmost evil.
The Nazi’s killed because of their believes.
Just because some sick freak, Hitler, told them to do so and commanded them to do so.
Hitler was a very very sick freak.
Allah is a ……..God?
gravenimage says
Not everyone kills to eat–I don’t.
But I *would* kill in order to defend myself and my loved ones from attack.
Fred van de Bunt says
I am an omnivore.
gravenimage says
That’s fine, Fred.
I meant that even though I don’t personally kill to eat that I am fine morally with killing those who threaten to kill me, my loved ones, or other innocent people.
gravenimage says
Malaysia: Cosmetics entrepreneur leaves Islam, gets death threats, goes into hiding, cops offer to help with manhunt
…………………..
This *poor woman*. Since it is illegal to leave Islam in Malaysia, the police instead of tracking down those threatening her with death are going to hunt down the victim.
God, I hate Islam.
James Lincoln says
So true, gravenimage.
Part of good police work is protecting the most vulnerable…
gravenimage says
Absolutely, James. But in Islam, as you know, the most vulnerable are the preferred victims.
Andrew Blackadder says
In Malaysia today it is ILLEGAL for any non muslim to use the word “allah” as that word is for use by muslims ONLY, even though this is an Arabic word and Malaysia is not an Arabic speaking country. Go figure huh?.
This started after the Catholic Church used the name allah in their Malay Bibles as Christians in the Arabic speaking world have always used the Arabic word for god as allah long before islam was thought of in the mind of you-know-who…
Now, this was in The Star Newspaper a while ago, written my an Iman of the Bumi muslim faith,, he said, If the muslim is walking down the street and he passes a Church, he may hear the word allah coming from inside the Church and this may confuse the muslim and so he may enter the Church thinking its a mosque and by doing so will be converted to Christianity and end his life in the hell fire….So, the Iman himself admits that the average wee muslim fellow is so bloody stupid that he doesnt know a Church from a mosque because he is easily confused.
That should tell you just about everything you need to know about the blind,closed minded morons that follow this Fascist Religious Cult.
Malaysia is NOT a moderate islamic Nation, as the penalty in Malaysia for publicly leaving islam is two years in prison, and have no doubt that every muslim inside that Prison will know why this apostate is in there and if some islamic nutter knows he will never get out of Prison then he will kill this person thereby thinking he will get to Paradise even if he cant get out of Jail.
gravenimage says
+1
PRCS says
“As stated by Twitter user @syafiqmasrii, this came after the queer figure…”
The ‘poor woman” (a millionaire, by the way) is not actually a woman. He/she is a hermaphrodite transsexual.
While there are transsexuals in Malaysia, none quite as famous.
gravenimage says
I know this. I don’t believe that Muslims have the right to murder women *or* men. I don’t believe that anyone deserves to be murdered by Muslim thugs.
You may, of course, disagree.
PRCS says
Authorities are searching for her as she missed a court date: for wearing women’s clothes.
Ridiculous? Yes–to you and me.
But it’s not for apostasy or to enable those issuing the death threats.
Pesky fact:
“Death threats are a crime under Section 506 of the Penal Code which provides for imprisonment for up to 7 years or a fine or both. Threats on social media are a crime under the Communications and Multimedia Act 1998 which provides for a fine not exceeding RM50,000 or imprisonment not exceeding 1 year or both.
I do hope the cops are searching for those making the death threats with even greater enthusiasm.
gravenimage says
I would not count on it, PRCS. And I very much doubt that Nur Sajat will be safe in custody.
Phil says
As I once read, ‘if the death to apostates clause was removed from Islam, it would’ve disappeared back to the desert whence it came.’
Deb Macleod says
Jesus said to love the sinner but hate the sin.
Mohammed said behead the sinner & lie about your own sin.