The Muslim students who are complaining and demanding an apology would be doing us all a favor if they actually explained how the points Steven Greer made in his class, such as the fact that “insult to Islam was punishable by death,” represent a “misinformed and bigoted view of Islam.” What exactly has Greer said that is false? According to this story, one student pointed out that Muslim leaders condemned the Charlie Hebdo jihad massacre. Of course neither the student nor Al Jazeera mention that hundreds of thousands of Muslims showed up in the wake of that massacre to protest not in favor of the freedom of expression, but against it:
Pakistan: 10,000 Muslims protest against Charlie Hebdo’s Muhammad cartoons
Australia: 1,000 Muslims rally against Charlie Hebdo and the freedom of speech
Kyrgyztsan: 1,000 Muslims rally: “I am not Charlie, I love my Prophet.”
But all that, like the student’s statement, is anecdotal. What various Muslims do or do not do doesn’t tell us anything either way about whether Islam really has a death penalty for blasphemy. Only Islamic texts can show that. And they do.
Islam mandates death for non-Muslim subjects of the Islamic state who mention “something impermissible about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam” (‘Umdat al-Salik, o11.10), and such laws are based upon passages in the Hadith and Sira in which Muhammad orders the murders of people who have insulted him.
These include Abu Afak, who was over one hundred years old, and the poetess Asma bint Marwan. Abu Afak was killed in his sleep, in response to Muhammad’s question, “Who will avenge me on this scoundrel?” Similarly, Muhammad on another occasion cried out, “Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan?” One of his followers, Umayr ibn Adi, went to her house that night, where he found her sleeping next to her children. The youngest, a nursing babe, was in her arms. But that didn’t stop Umayr from murdering her and the baby as well. Muhammad commended him: “You have done a great service to Allah and His Messenger, Umayr!” (Ibn Ishaq, 674-676)
Then there was Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf. Muhammad asked: “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?” One of the Muslims, Muhammad
bin Maslama answered, “O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?” When Muhammad said that he would, Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab).” Muhammad responded: “You may say it.” Muhammad bin Maslama duly lied to Ka’b, luring him into his trap, and murdered him. (Sahih Bukhari, volume 5, book 59, number 369)
Likewise the influential fatwa site Islam QA, on a page that has now been removed, called for death for blasphemers, using both Qur’an and Hadith to make its argument. “The scholars are unanimously agreed,” the site explains, “that a Muslim who insults the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) becomes a kaafir [unbeliever] and an apostate who is to be executed. This consensus was narrated by more than one of the scholars, such as Imaam Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh, Ibn al-Mundhir, al-Qaadi ‘Iyaad, al-Khattaabi and others.”
So Steven Greer was not wrong. But that won’t stop him from being reprimanded and/or fired, because he has gone against the prevailing narrative.
“British law professor under fire over ‘Islamophobic’ statements,” by Arwa Ibrahim, Al Jazeera, February 25, 2021:
London, United Kingdom – A British university professor has come under mounting criticism over what students described as his “Islamophobic” remarks and taught content.
In a statement last week, the University of Bristol’s Islamic Society (BRISOC) said it was “alarmed by multiple complaints against Professor Steven Greer of the Law School for his reported use of discriminatory remarks and Islamophobic rhetoric”.
Law students have claimed Greer “frequently expressed views in class that can be deemed Islamophobic, bigoted and divisive”, said the statement, which was signed by several other student societies.
Although Greer’s accusers have gone public, he has been barred by the university from making any comment on the allegations because they are subject to an ongoing investigation and he is bound by a duty of confidentiality.
He did however tell Al Jazeera he rejects the allegations….
The principle complaint against Greer relates to a human rights module he teaches, titled Human Rights in Law, Politics and Society.
BRISOC highlighted several lines in lecture slides they provided to Al Jazeera from the module.
One of Greer’s students described them as painting an overall “misinformed and bigoted view of Islam”.
In a section discussing “Islam and human rights”, Greer listed freedom of expression as a “key challenge”, and highlighted “insult to Islam was punishable by death”.
The slide gave the deadly Charlie Hebdo attack as an example.
Gunmen killed at least 12 people when they attacked the French satirical magazine in 2015 over cartoons of Prophet Muhammad they deemed offensive.
A student who attended Greer’s class said he was shocked by some of the content, which gave the impression that Islam was “essentially bad” and “incompatible with freedom”.
“The Charlie Hebdo killing was a terrorist attack. Muslim leaders not only condemned the killings, but the fact that the professor actually used it as proof of Islam’s stance on freedom of expression was absolutely appalling,” the law student, who wished to remain anonymous, told Al Jazeera.
“The professor cherry-picked his examples to put Muslims in such a negative light when there are examples of the contrary – he just chose to not talk about them,” he said….
sidney penny says
“What various Muslims do or do not do doesn’t tell us anything either way about whether Islam really has a death penalty for blasphemy. Only Islamic texts can show that. And they do.”
Robert Spencer ,as usual, hitting the nail on the head.
mortimer says
Robert Spencer points out that the actual behaviors of Mohammed are considered to be ‘legislation’ that Muslims should emulate. In other words, the murder of blasphemers is approved if Mohammed did it.
maria says
muslims are the worst creatures on Earth. All countries should forbide islam and clean their countries from muslims.
Julia Pennington says
Totally agree with you.. Nothing but hatred do they share
toomanyhobbies says
so if the truth hurts ban it? A friend told me when he was in the US Air Force he had a muslim friend; who told him “you can never trust a muslim even me”
Dude says
In my limited exposure to them it seems that they have no idea what is in their books. They appear to find murder/rape/robbery/slavery as abhorrent as we do. Or maybe they are just lying, which is equally as possible. They really believe that we will believe their lies – they do, so why shouldn’t we?
I think logically that one can never accept the truth as being an insult, as though saying 1 plus 2 equals three is an insult to three.
gravenimage says
Dude–with all respect–how do Muslims find murder, rape, robbery, and slavery as abhorrent as we do, when many Muslims regularly murder, rape, rob, and enslave others–most notably, non-Muslims? I’m afraid this does not make sense. And they specifically reguarly attack and kill the critics of Islam, exactly as the “Prophet” Muhammed did.
Dude says
That’s what they tell me. One guy even told me that nowhere in the quran does it suggest murder/rape/robbery /slavery. I couldn’t tell whether it was naivety or a lie.
Maybe daddy just kept the truth from him until it’s time to blow him up.
gravenimage says
I think this is more Taqiyya than ignorance, Dude.
Emilie Green says
A student who attended Greer’s class said he was shocked by some of the content, which gave the impression that Islam was “essentially bad” and “incompatible with freedom”.
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Kid should be happy he was getting a proper education using the truth.
Islam and the left war against the truth.
Rob Porter says
Emilie, well said. At least one student got the correct message. If Muslims and the left got their way we’d live in a sea of lies. That Steven Greer is being investigated for telling the truth about Islam is a disgrace, but if the administrators at Bristol University are as cowardly and dishonest as those at Toronto’s universities, Greer will be found guilty (not of being factual, but of some cooked up rubbish that satisfies the Muslim students). Truth is being destroyed by Muslims and the left.
mortimer says
Sharia doesn’t even require that a remark be ‘BLASPHEMOUS’ to incur a death sentence. A comment about Islam merely has to be ‘IMPERMISSIBLE’ to incur Sharia law’s death penalty.
Punishment of Blasphemers from Sharia manual ‘Reliance of the Traveller’:
“The (DHIMMI) agreement is also violated (A: with respect to the offender alone) if the state has stipulated that any of the following things break it, and one of the subjects does so anyway, though if the state has not stipulated that these break the agreement, then they do not; namely, if one of the subject people:
-5- MENTIONS SOMETHING IMPERMISSIBLE about Allah, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), or Islam.” – Reliance of the Traveller’ Chapter ‘O’ 11.10.05.
Sharia permits anyone to kill those who verbally oppose Islam, since they are at war with Islam:
“There is no indemnity obligatory for killing a non-Muslim (harbi) at war with Muslims.” -Reliance of the Traveller, o4.17, p.593
“We have already discussed killing the person who, with intent, curses the Prophet, belittles him or slights him IN ANY WAY. The judgement in this case is clear.” (i.e. death) – Qadhi Iyaadh in ash-Shifa, Volume No.2, Page No. 27
Michael Copeland says
“If someone offends the Prophet no problem, we can kill him”.
That is the subtitle translation of a telephone recording of speech by one of the Charlie Hebdo killers. The killer was not mistaken: Islamic law has just this provision. The Manual of Islamic Law, “Reliance of the Traveller” lists, under “Acts that entail leaving Islam” (o8.7), “to revile Allah or his messenger’ (o8.7(4)). The penalty is death.
https://gatesofvienna.net/2020/09/the-bbcs-useless-waffle-about-british-islam/
mortimer says
Yes, MC, but that applies only to a Muslim who leaves Islam and then criticizes Mohammed. It doesn’t apply to non-Muslim kafirs.
Kafirs who ‘verbally’ fight Islam, may be killed for openly opposing Islam.
Michael Copeland says
Thanks, m. Point taken for muslims. It is, though, the act of criticising Mohammed or Allah that makes a muslim instantly an apostate, and eligible to be killed.
The Charlie Hebdo killers were completely ready to apply that same muslim penalty to the kafir staff.
gravenimage says
True, Michael and Mortimer.
gravenimage says
UK: Muslim students demand apology for prof insulting Islam by saying insults to Islam are punishable by death
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Nothing but Taqiyya. Not only did the “Priophet” Muhammed have those who spoke crrically of Islam assasinated, but Muslims all over the world are murdering critics today.
If these Muslims *really* thought this was un-Islamic, they would be taking it up with their murderous coreligionists, instead of harassing this professor.
Steven Greer was quite right in what he said.
puraposta says
That’s the truth. Good Muslims must oppose honesty or in Islamic speak, slandering Islam even though it be true.
somehistory says
“can be deemed Islamophobic, bigoted and divisive”,
Well, there it is. Truth about islam, Truth about the behavior of moslums, Truth about the slime creature, mass-murderer, raper of children, sack of filthy slug slime, son of satan is all a “phobia.” And of course, “bigoted” and “divisive.”
Divisive….well if it divides young people from the evil filth of islime, it’s a good thing. If it causes the rabid, lying scum to return to the countries from whence they came, “dividing” them from non moslums, that’s a good thing.
And of course, everyone is supposed to just love the fact that moslums are commanded to kill…for whatever “reason” they choose…be it leaving the filth, or telling the Truth about the filth while not believing the filth nor living according to the filth, or one is “bigoted” and being a bigot is so much worse than…the filth of islam.
The U always takes the side of the lying, complaining, whining, threatening moslums.
Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says
A question about Islamic theology: Can a human being hurt Allah?
The hadlth “Muhammad asked: “Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?”” indicates that the answer is Yes; Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf did hurt Allah. Further questions: How did he hurt Allah? Did he hurt Allah’s feelings? And what is the most effective way to hurt Allah?
James Lincoln says
According to the feature article:
“A student who attended Greer’s class said he was shocked by some of the content, which gave the impression that Islam was “essentially bad” and “incompatible with freedom”.”
I have news for the student: islam *is*, unequivocally, essentially bad and incompatible with freedom.
This is factual and evidence-based.
The *truth* is not “islamophobic, bigoted and divisive”…
jamessc says
It’s a plain statement of historical and legal fact in islamic civilization under classical islamic law , blasphemy was punishable by death. This should be no more controversial than saying that islamic law forbids drinking alcohol . It’s plainly true. how are students complaining about their teacher stating true historical and legal facts ???
criticism of islam or muhammad was considered blasphemy and punishable by death proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQmckQa5fEU
Hadrian says
“…when there are examples of the contrary – he just chose to not talk about them”
Like what?
I was actually re-reading the Indian right wing politician Kamlesh Tiwari’s murder. It was just stupid. The government supported decriminalisation of homosexuality and one of the opposition leaders Azad Khan responded with homophobic remarks. Which was followed by Tiwari’s reaction, calling Muhammad the world’s first homosexual human. And THAT got him murdered, by manual workers no less. Amidst all the CAA protests, this went unnoticed. To anyone gullible enough to buy the “Muslim victims of India” fantasy, remember that derogatory remarks about the Prophet won’t even save a politician from manual workers even under the Hindutva government. If the religions of perp and victim had been switched, every left wing outlet would’ve raised HELL over homophobia. Its just amazing how every time these two faced Islamist swine unmask reveal themselves, humanitarian movements like LGBT (just their core principles, not the “woke” nonsense) immediately get thrown under the bus. Its to the leftists that everything is about religion, what with such selective outrage. Dismantle pseudo-secularism from India, Europe, NZ, Australia and the US, and tear this disgusting religion to shreds.
infidel says
These raaksas (the Hindu term for demons) have always some axe to grind or other. These are the veritable raaksas of modern times. Raaksas jaanwar..
saturnine says
The essential contents of the IslamQA article that Robert mentions can still be found on the site under a different title. This one removes references to scholarly consensus and says that the punishment is to be carried out by “the authorities”.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/14305/it-is-essential-to-respond-to-those-who-defame-the-prophet-peace-and-blessings-of-allaah-be-upon-him
The deleted article is quoted in this SE question https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/7671/is-it-islamic-to-execute-people-who-insult-prophets-other-than-prophet-muhammad
Jayell says
‘Muslim students demand apology for prof insulting Islam by saying insults to Islam are punishable by death’…. and they’ll kill anyone who insults them by saying it.
Methinks these devout disciples of the Great Prophet do protest too much – and it’s becoming tedious. They now seem to spend so much time vainly whitewashing themselves and papering over the gaping cracks in their spurious ‘religion of peace’ that they’re wearing their proverbial antique phonograph disc out. Why don’t they instead apologise to the entire civilised world for the insult to everyone’s intelligence by suggesting anyone who’s actually read their ‘holy texts’ and seen through the whole rotten criminal charade is simply suffering from an ‘islamophobic’ irrational fear and can’t think properly? Now, that IS an insult.
gravenimage says
‘Muslim students demand apology for prof insulting Islam by saying insults to Islam are punishable by death’…. and they’ll kill anyone who insults them by saying it.
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Spot on, Jayell.
gregbeetham says
Quote: “A student who attended Greer’s class said he was shocked by some of the content, which gave the impression that Islam was “essentially bad” and “incompatible with freedom”.”
The student got that impression from Greer’s class he said, and if he ever read the Koran he would have got it there as well.
Quote from the same student: “The Charlie Hebdo killing was a terrorist attack. Muslim leaders not only condemned the killings, but the fact that the professor actually used it as proof of Islam’s stance on freedom of expression was absolutely appalling,” the law student, who wished to remain anonymous, told Al Jazeera.”
I wonder why the student wished to remain anonymous? Anyway he thinks the professor’s usage of the murders by terrorists as a proof of Islam’s intolerance was ‘appalling’…
Maybe the student should demonstrate how tolerant Islam is by printing out a heap of the Charlie Hebdo Muhammad cartoons and hand them out on a street corner in an Islamic neighbourhood, I think he would then find out the true meaning of ‘appalling’.
gravenimage says
+1
Eleanor says
If I was Mr Greer, I’d be very concerned about my safety, and a body guard would be a good idea until this blows over, and even then I’d be changing my route to work and home again, and looking over my shoulder.
Fred van de Bunt says
The Bristol University Board has to make a trade-off between income generated by Muslim students and academic freedom.
Probably they will advise the professor to adjust the content of his lecture in a way that it will become overly euphemistic. Something like:
“Nazism has always been connected to the Holocaust, but it was only a tiny part of the Germans that participated in running the concentration camps. Apart from that, many Western Leaders condemned the practice of genocide, while many Nazi’s did not approve of it too.”
Charlie in NY says
Meanwhile, at the same University, the unhinged antisemitism of a sociology professor, background here
https://david-collier.com/david-miller/
not only goes without punishment, as per this article,
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/miller-campaign-of-hate-is-enabled-by-bristol-university-rachel-riley-tells-online-rally-1.512167
But is defended by the usual “scholars”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/diaspora/nearly-200-scholars-back-lecturer-who-called-jewish-students-pawns-660361/amp
Of course, one need not wonder about the fate that would have befallen this professor had he attacked “Islam” instead of “Zionism” with the same words
gravenimage says
Good post.
Andrew Blackadder says
I demand that EVERY islamic teacher and leader in the UK apologize to me, for insulting me, my Race, my religion, my country and then we can consider doing the same to him, otherwise, get on yer Camel and fuck off…
Giacomo Latta says
”Muslim leaders condemned the Charlie Hebdo jihad massacre”
Really? Any specific reasons? Body count insufficient given the number of muslim participants?
BlackSabbath says
Ban islam in UK, deport all moslems to paksitan from the island, and then send a note saying “this is our apology.”
revereridesagain says
To paraphrase a line from a favorite “3 Musketeers” movie, “Since when has it been possible to insult Islam?” What they really mean is they claim that hurting their feelings is punishable by death.
JHL says
Muhammad said that those who leave Islam are to be put to death. The professor nearly pointed out what the koran demands.
nameless coward says
Many civil liberties campaigners have argued that our civil liberties were taken away at the end of March 2020 and will be fully restored once lockdowns have been lifted across the western world.
Many MPs and journalists have nothing whatsoever to say when it comes to Islam or immigration. Get them talking about the coronavirus lockdown and their eyes light up.
I can hear them now: ‘The lockdown is over. Pubs are open again. Freedom at last.Throw away your masks. Rejoice!’
No more lockdowns, no more masks, no more suicide bombings, no more beheadings, no more grooming gangs. Rejoice, rejoice, rejoice!!!
b.a. freeman says
‘The professor cherry-picked his examples to put Muslims in such a negative light when there are examples of the contrary – he just chose to not talk about them…”’
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😀
i want to thank this anonymous member of the ummah for the belly laugh. since when do the actions of an adherent of a religion define what the religion is? what is even funnier is that none in the college administration nor in the legacy media either highlight that nor take action based on that.
sadly, the fact that most leftist – our betters, because they are The Smart People – actually believe this. the only ones that actually know better are the hard-core left, who are using the ummah as a proxy army to bring society to its knees in order to be able to seize absolute power. CW II (Civil War II) in the US will be the fault of the hard-core left and the pious ummah.