My latest in PJ Media:
According to a Thursday report in Al-Monitor, Biden State Department wonk Ned Price claimed at a press conference: “It is a historical fact that Israel occupied the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights after the 1967 war.” Price thus signaled once again that Biden’s handlers plan to take up the Obama administration’s betrayal of Israel and support for the Palestinian jihad in a big way. But the central claim is wrong: contrary to the propaganda that inundates the world every day, Israel did not occupy “Palestinian Territories” in 1967 or at any other time.
Price and his colleagues in the Biden State Department don’t know, or don’t want you to know, that the “West Bank” (that is, Judea and Samaria) and Gaza were part of the original post-World War I Mandate for Palestine, set aside for a Jewish national home. Not only that, but between 1949 and 1967, when they were under Jordanian and Egyptian rule, nothing was ever said about how they were occupied “Palestinian” territory; in fact, there was no mention made of the “Palestinians” at all, as they were not invented until the 1960s, as a rhetorical stick to beat Israel with. After the 1967 war, Israel was occupying land to which only Israel, among all the countries of the world, had any legal claim. Find out more about this in The Palestinian Delusion.
Palestinian spokesmen have again and again made it clear that the Qur’an and Islam in general, not quarrels over various patches of land or occupation or settlements, are what make the Israeli-Palestinian conflict intractable. A Qatari sheikh, Muhammad Al-Muraikhi, stated this plainly on Qatar TV back on January 9, 2009. “We do not treat the Jews as our enemies just because they occupied Palestine,” he explained, “or because they occupied a precious part of our Arab and Islamic world. We will treat the Jews as our enemies even if they return Palestine to us because they are infidels. They rejected Allah and His messengers.”
An Egyptian imam, Muhammad Hussein Ya’qoub, declared eight days after that in a televised sermon that Muslim hatred of Jews had nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with the Qur’an…
There is more. Read the rest here.
Cathryn Paradise says
Yes Israel DID occupy lands held by the so-called Palestinians by kicking 3 heavily armed nations in 6 days. Land that the Palestinians had no legal claim to.
mortimer says
Biden’s naïve useful idiots make up their own facts and then have Facebook censor anyone who knows the truth.
Biden’s administration stabs Jews and Israel in the back while duplicitously smiling to their faces.
mortimer says
Responding to CP: the whole point of contention is your use of ‘Palestinians’. The Arabs living in the region and those Arab immigrants to the region were never called ‘Palestinians’ in the past … The name ‘Palestinian’ as a nationality was first written in Arabic in the late 1890s in an Arabic translation of a book originally written in Russian.
To this day, Jordanians still mock the idea that ‘Palestinians’ are different in any manner from Jordanians. During annexation, the West Bank Arabs held Jordanian passports.
Syria contends that Israel and Jordan are constituent parts of Greater Syria. It is similar to declaring that Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia are different countries with 3 separate, distinct ethnicities.
mortimer says
Clarification: To contend that Pallies and Jordanians are ethnically different from Syrians is similar to declaring that Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia are different countries with 3 separate, distinct ethnicities.
Ray Jarman says
Mortimer,
To add to the argument as I have written many times, is that when a nation is attacked by an enemy, that nation has the right to retain any territory captured. European nations such as Belgium, Poland, France, Demark and others retained much of the land that was once Deutschland and other nations stripped most of Austria and a lot of Italy of land captured after WWI and WWII. By all rights, the entire land from the River to the Sea could have been appropriated by Israel as it was the defender, not the attacker. I am so tired of the double standard.
gravenimage says
True, Mortimer. The “Palestinians” were invented by the Soviets in the late 1960s.
Oren says
Nobody cares about what the soviet media says, the palestinians were invented by the american media and establishment to undermine Israels land claim, after the so called trial of Israel commenced in the court of public opinion. Which the UN has indulged like america refusing to recognize their own previous declarations that Judea, Samaria, Gaza, east Jerusalem and the Golan were all parts of Jewish palestine, which became Israel. The league of nations, whose land recognitions were adopted by the UN, recognized all parts of Israel in 1922 during the San Remo conference. America recognized Israel in 1920 in some anglo declaration that was legally binding, which I forget the name of. The globalists who pretend to be leftist do all kinds of crazy stuff, rewriting history, and borders, facts, according to what the highest bidders interests are. The american left has no place for Jewish victims of poor peoples hate. That does not work. It sounds to much like white people might not be to blame for making non whites unequal. In G-d I trust.
gravenimage says
Very odd stuff–traditionally America has been very supportive of Israel, the current occupant of the White House notwithstanding.
Rob Porter says
Cathryn – this is time of infamy and shame for the United States. What sane and responsible government would countenance and facilitate the world’s premier sponsor of state terror obtaining a nuclear weapon? Yet the contemptible Joe Biden and his Administration are about to do so. They are stinking dung and America is on its way out. As to Ned Price, he is nothing more than a contemptible, pinched-faced liar, at best a fool utterly ignorant of the history of this land, the Arab invasion and the trash ideology they embrace. Abundantly evident these Biden bits of crud are lining up pressure on Israel to surrender land. In 1967 Israel recovered mandated land it lost in the 1948 war.
mortimer says
What a crock! This whopper beggars the imagination.
Biden’s naïve useful idiots are proposing that Jordan-annexed West Bank suddenly and magically declared independence from Jordan in the middle of the Six-Day War and then Israel invaded the brand-new independent ‘Palestine’ state. There was never an independent ‘Arab state’ of Palestine.
Jordan stole the West Bank and Israel re-captured it after Jordan tried to exterminate Israel. Period.
tgusa says
“Price and his colleagues in the Biden State Department don’t know, or don’t want you to know, that the “West Bank” (that is, Judea and Samaria) and Gaza were part of the original post-World War I Mandate for Palestine, set aside for a Jewish national home.”
Price went to Harvard so of course he is clueless to that fact. If I want opinions on global affairs I will consult my neighbors kid. He is in fifth grade.
mortimer says
Price went to Harvard University where he studied Public Policy. He had already been recruited into the CIA. He must not have studied HISTORIOGRAPHY, because his approach to history is ‘WHATEVER WE NEED HISTORY TO BE AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT’.
Ned Price’s opportunism in the matter of the history of the region is what you would expect of a Deep State career operative.
Real history is not a toy for political hacks.
tgusa says
Yes. Anti President Trump, former cia, openly gay, pali supporter, who describes himself as progressive. He defended the CIA financing research on global warming because the cia mission is fighting the Earths weather patterns. Beware Earthlings!
Wellington says
Nah, Israel just took ’em back.
However, just like most everyone in the fraudulent and foolish Biden Administration to get things ass-backwards whatever the idiotic motivation.
mortimer says
Ned Price is a Deep State CIA hack. He’s paid to reverse the true situation. Now that Trump moved the goal posts, they can’t move them back to where they were before. Surely, this hack knows that.
Most of the Pally youth has emigrated from the region because of the terrorism and unemployment caused by it. How will rekindling Pally insurgency help anyone?
tgusa says
I believe that the global deep state operatives desire chaos all over the planet. When they have made a mess of everything they can swoop in and save us all. Good gracious.
gravenimage says
Biden State Department Claims It’s ‘Historical Fact’ That Israel Occupied ‘Palestinian Territories’ in 1967
Price and his colleagues in the Biden State Department don’t know, or don’t want you to know, that the “West Bank” (that is, Judea and Samaria) and Gaza were part of the original post-World War I Mandate for Palestine, set aside for a Jewish national home. Not only that, but between 1949 and 1967, when they were under Jordanian and Egyptian rule, nothing was ever said about how they were occupied “Palestinian” territory; in fact, there was no mention made of the “Palestinians” at all, as they were not invented until the 1960s, as a rhetorical stick to beat Israel with.
……………………
This is all true–not that Biden cares.
mortimer says
The facts as quoted by GI are verifiable. The Pally narrative of an ancient ‘Pally’ nation are an assertion made without evidence, either literary or archeological. In 1967, the West Bank was NOT ‘Palestinian’ … it was a province annexed and governed by the Kingdom of Jordan.
After Jordan lost the West Bank to Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War, the Palestinians there remained Jordanian citizens until Jordan renounced claims to and severed administrative ties with the territory in 1988.
NOTE: that the Jordanian government considered the population of the West Bank to be JORDANIANS until 1988.
gravenimage says
+1
Wellington says
+2
Walter Sieruk says
Joe Biden had his State Department his administration official come out declare a totally false claim is blatant and outright lie.
For all of the land including the Golan Heights and the West Bank all belongs to the Jewish people and likewise the land belongs to the State of Israel.
This has been proven by archaeology, history and the Bible, as found in First Kings 4:20,21, 24,25. 8:55, 56.
President pretender Biden is an outright liar.
Rod says
Archaeology and history will both show that most of the USA actually belongs to the people who lived there for thousands of years before the white Christians arrived to steal it.
I’m not sure what the book of Kings has to say about it, but somewhere in the Bible we’re told “Thou shalt not steal.” Kings, Ecclesiastics, Exodus, Deuteronomy? You tell me.
gravenimage says
“Rod” has refused to say what country he is using a base–but he has said that it is not anywhere in Britain. In this case, then he should probably be packing his own bag, it seems.
Rod says
Bang bang, shoot the messenger, and hope the message will be forgotten. Jihadwatch logic.
And Wellington argues that everyone else commits crimes, so our crimes somehow don’t matter – theft, slavery, murder. Muslims stole land from non-Muslims (as in North, South and Central America, Southeast Asia, Indonesia, Australia, South Africa, Kenya, Nigeria, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, New Zealand, Hong Kong, the Philippines, Fiji, Tonga, Jamaica, Bahamas, New Guinea? Well, no, not there, but lots of other places.) Jihadwatch logic.
And somehow, Israel emerges blameless. More jihadwatch logic.
Spot on!
gravenimage says
Of course, pointing out that “Rod” is a hypocrite is immaterial–as “Rod” would have it, of course…
And if he is not packing his bags, what *is* he doing for indigenous peoples? (By the way, I teach adult literacy and tutor study for the GED and SAT for Native Americans here in Oakland).
But all “Rod” does is twit the ‘filthy Infidels’, it seems.
And this is not just about the past. Muslims are enslaving people *right now*. Note that despite my asking him to scores of times now, “Rod” refuses to condemn Islamic slavery.
Not that this should surprise, of course.
Rod says
Yes indeed Pinocchio, “pointing out that “Rod” is a hypocrite is immaterial” (as well as unsupported by evidence), because you simply cannot comment in any sensible way.
Personal attack on the messenger as usual. Predictable, pointless, dishonest, puerile.
john smith says
Rod is a muslim gravenimage, even though he may deny it, I know he is.
Only a muslim could defend the atrocities that have been committed by their satanic death cult.
Rod open your eyes and turn your back on this evil cult, I believe you are better than it, but I could be wrong.
gravenimage says
“Rod” is trying to elicit unearned guilt in Anglos here–all while ducking the likelihood that he is in the same position.
And the purpose of this unearned guilt? To imply that no one has any right to oppose Muslim conquest–as thought these horrors would in any way aid Native Americans, or First Peoples, or Aborigines–not that “Rod” wants you to think that far, of course.
gravenimage says
This is certainly likely, John. He is clearly a Muslim apologist, personally Muslim or not.
Rod says
john smith, it’s almost beyond belief that a thinking person can comprehend a contempt for bigotry only by assuming that I am a Muslim. So I’m tempted to ask, do your parents know that you are writing nonsense on this site?
As for you allegation that I “defend the atrocities” committed by anybody, you cannot cite a single instance where I have done so. So again, you seem not very mature or perceptive. Like Pinocchio, you hope that unfounded personal attacks are an answer to comments you dislike. Childish.
Rod says
Pinocchio, you’re welcome to oppose Muslim conquests as much as you like. I have no objections.
But permit me to point out that other conquests also took place, and suggest that a wider view might give you a more balanced understanding of history, and allow you to look less like a hypocrite (or a bigot).
Matthew 7:5
john smith says
Rod I’ve no intention of getting involved in an argument with you, as all you seem to do is condemn the people, who condemn evil.
If that is not defending evil, then I don’t know what is.
I have replied to your post and I have nothing more to add, so if you want to get the last word in you are more than welcome.
Rod says
No john smith, let’s not have an argument. Let’s instead see you back up your allegation with just one example. Just one, so we’ll know you aren’t a liar.
gravenimage says
“Rod” appears to believe that his calling me “Pinocchio” somehow takes the place of reasoned argument–certainly, he has never been able to point out anything I have gotten wrong.
And note that he *still* refuses to condemn Islamic slavery. No surprise there, though…
Then he says again that opposing the horrors of Jihad terror is “bigotry”
Then, he denies that he is a hypocrite–despite his only thinking that Infidels have to leave the West, but apparently not Muslim apologists like himself.
Then, most Native Americans, First Peoples, Aborigines, and Aleuts are Christian, Animist, or Atheist–and “Rod” constantly refuses to say how importing hordes more Muslims who target just these groups would actually benefit indigenous peoples–nor will he say how this would work now, of course.
john smith says
Rod, do I have to spell it out to you.
People here at JW all oppose and condemn evil, yet you oppose and condemn us.
That clearly shows that you are in defense of what we oppose.
gravenimage says
Fine post, John.
Rod says
john smith,
You oppose evil. I oppose you. Therefore I support evil. Don’t you know that this is one of the most basic examples of fallacious reasoning?
Apparently not.
Let’s try another example.
Trump opposes child abuse. I oppose Trump. Therefore, I support child abuse.
Surely you could support your allegation that I “defend atrocities” simply by citing one case where I have ever done so. Just one! Shouldn’t be difficult?
If you cannot, you stand convicted of the same offence that Pinocchio commits so monotonously often. To wit, lying.
Wellington says
Virtually everyone across the globe has taken land from someone else, Rod, including American Indians from other American Indians (e.g., study how the Iroquois in what is now New York treated the Lenni Lenape in what is now Pennsylvania) though concepts of land ownership have differed depending on the culture in question. You might want to study too how, in general, American Indians treated other American Indians. For instance, Aztec priests wore capes made out of human skin and engaged in human sacrifice to their gods, cutting the entrails out of non-Aztec tribal members as well as engaging in cannibalism. Algonquin and Huron in the Great Lakes region detested one another and slowly skinned captured warriors taken alive, a brutal way to die that took days.
I also have to wonder if you know that in the ante-bellum USA American Indians had an extensive black slave system. This is a principal reason why the Five Civilized Tribes (Choctaw, Cherokee, Chickasaw, Creek and Seminole) in what is now Oklahoma joined the Confederacy. The last Confederate General to surrender to Union troops, some ten weeks after General Lee surrendered to General Grant at Appomattox, was General Stand Watie. General Watie was a Cherokee chieftain.
Do you know any of this, Rod, or are you just interested in bashing America and the West? Guess you don’t often, if ever, reflect on how much real estate Muslims over the centuries took from non-Muslims.
You’re not interested in the truth, Rod. You’re interested in an agenda and it shows. Man, does it show.
gravenimage says
Spot on.
James Lincoln says
Wellington,
Excellent post, my compliments.
But you are using way too much factual evidence-based logic for someone like Rod…
curious george says
Wellington & James Lincoln
???
“Tricks and treachery are the practice of fools, that don’t have brains enough to be honest.”
– Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Rod says
Wellington, I’m getting the message that stealing is OK, because other people steal. And so is slavery is OK too?
But since Israelis have the bible to quote from, they have some special right to steal. Words written by some unknown person millennia ago, have a special power to legitimise crimes. Would that argument stand up in an impartial courtroom? I don’t think Israel would be eager to find out.
gravenimage says
“Rod” wrote:
And so is slavery is OK too?
……………
Grotesque–I have asked “Rod” to condemn Islamic slavery–going on *to this day*, and on the model of the “Prophet” and the orthodox diktats of Islam–and he has always refused to do so.
It is in fact the west that *abolished* slavery–something “Rod” will never admit.
gregbeetham says
So according to Rod just because the so called indigenous tribes invaded before the ‘White Christians’ arrived they own it, I think the scales of justice should include transgressions and redeeming factors (or lack thereof) on both sides of the argument, i.e. what did the native populations achieve in thousands of years after they invaded and destroyed the mega fauna that was there before they arrived?
Where are the giant flightless birds that were in NZ and Australia for example? and where is the giant Wombat that was as big as a Hippo (and other large extinct species)? And what became of the forest that once covered Australia? Answer: they burnt it down and kept burning repeatedly until it was converted into desert, the Timorese could see the smoke from there as the continent was repeatedly burnt for thousands of years.
What became of the giant fauna of the Americas? Answer: it was hunted to extinction, and no, the natives didn’t hunt the large dangerous animals directly they just killed off the juveniles repeatedly, result? extinction.
So, Rod where are the redeeming qualities of the savages that invaded first? I tend to think they got what they deserved.
The story these days according to wankers like yourself is that the natives got dispossessed but what you don’t ask is, why was there the occasional local cull of natives? Ask yourself this question, which is easiest to spear, a kangaroo or a cow? When you figure that out you might arrive at the answer as to how the savages were growing in numbers at the expense of the pastoralists.
Maybe you’d like to discuss an encyclopaedia of achievements that the natives never actually got around to achieving in thousands of years, things that Europeans did achieve? Funny how these same natives take for granted the benefits of a civilization they never built for themselves as if they are entitled to do so without any sign of appreciation. But I would expect no less of them, such are their magnificent qualities.
When it comes to the Israel vs. everywhere else discussion, all that needs to be done is figure out just who the savages are.
Now Rod, I don’t want you to strain any delicate parts so I’ll tell you, it is the so called ‘Palestinians’ and the surrounding Arab tribes who are brainwashed by a toxic Satanic death cult.
See how easy that was?
Walter Sieruk says
Rod, my friend , your reply is what is known as the “red herring argument ”
Better luck next time.
Rod says
So, Walter, you can allege that Muslims are the worst, but evidence suggesting that they aren’t is “a red herring argument”.
Another example of “jihadwatch logic” ? There’s a lot of it about.
gregbeetham says
I think Israel should be restored properly in which case Jordan would disappear and become Judea as it should have been in the first place.
BlackSabbath says
Even Mecca and Medina were jewish cities. Banu Qurayza people lived in Mecca. Banu Nadir people lived in Medina. Maybe Department of State should read history that goes beyond 1967.
Infidel says
Medina was, but Mecca belonged to the Arab pagans
Ecosse1314 says
Mecca didn’t exist at the time of Muhammed. First mentioned in 750 A.D. First shown on a map in the 9th century.
BlackSabbath says
Existence of Muhammed is not certain. He might be as real as his flying donkey called “Barack.” (not the former president).
Rod says
Biden said in the Rose Garden today, “Gun violence in this country is an epidemic, and it’s an international embarrassment.”
And of course it is, and the stubborn determination to perpetuate it is something about which every American should be deeply, deeply ashamed.
Even more shameful is the fact that some Americans, aware of this ongoing and incessant carnage in their midst, have the gall to condemn and ridicule others for much lesser crimes elsewhere. Fortunately, such fanatics are few in number, unnoticed by most, and figures of fun for the few who learn of their inanities.
gravenimage says
Does “Rod” have a problem with Muslims using guns to wage violent Jihad in places like Boulder? Not that he has ever said.
And note that he is implying that Jihad is a “lesser crime”–which I’m sure is how he sees it.
Rod says
Yes, let’s not discuss murderous Americans. Let’s discuss Rod’s opinions and some nonsense we can accuse him of “implying”. That should distract us from the ugly truth.
Jihadwatch discussion technique (advanced level).
Giacomo Latta says
Dear Halfwit,
How many times to remind you that this site is called JihadWatch and not AmericaWatch or WhitePeopleWatch? You are the one doing the dancing, Antifaman, not those stating facts you don’t want to know. Did Al-Issa kill enough to please you, you racist, yes, you racist you?
gravenimage says
Firstly, murder is *illegal* in the United States, and every Western nation. The US does not teach murder, rape, or slavery as Islam does.
So what is “Rod’s” point? That if there is crime in any nation that they–somehow–have to be pressured to bring in hordes of murderous Muslims? Note that he does not say how this would help matters…
Infidel says
You’re not an American, and haven’t the faintest idea why the 2nd Amendment exists in the first place. So f? out of here, and stop interfering in countries that you don’t belong in, and don’t belong to you, nazi f?ing globalist piece of ?
And no, we typically don’t interfere in what goes on elsewhere in the world. Except for our State Department and Pentagon, which is populated mainly by Democrat pederasts
tgusa says
This link to a video may explain quite a bit regarding progressive democrats and their incurable affliction. The Overton Window keeps moving left.
https://thenewamerican.com/bargaining-with-a-chimp/
Rod says
Does anybody know why the 2nd amendment exists in the 21st century? Do you? I’d love to know.
And how does it follow that fifteen thousand gun murders a year are in any way acceptable? And almost as many gun suicides? Tell me.
I await your response, Infidel, with or without your infantile expletives. Try rational argument instead, (if the jihadwatch rules permit it.)
PS America has a long. long history of interfering in many many other countries, including mine. If you don’t know that, your ignorance is monumental. And inexcusable.
Infidel says
Rod, the reason the 2nd Amendment exists is to protect our rights from an intrusive government. Like this one we have right now! And now, in the 21st century, w/ BLM and Antifa on the rampage and the woke class trying to cancel us, it’s more needed now more than ever. And incidentally, just b’cos a right in the constitution is no longer needed doesn’t mean it goes away. It does have to be amended, and there are strong reasons for not amending this one! The ones above!
Also, America is not accountable for things that happened more than 30 years ago. WWII is done! The Cold War is done! The Mexican War is done! The Spanish-American war is done! You don’t get to use those as pretexts to ‘interfere back’ in what is essentially internal to this country. And yeah, that includes race relations, which are just fine once one takes Democrats out of the picture!
Rod says
Sorry Infidel, but America IS accountable for events more than 30 years ago. Well within my lifetime, if not yours. The consequences are still with us. Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Ukraine, countless diplomatic and commercial activities, 800 military bases spread across the globe, and who knows what happens behind the scenes. It’s not news that the US government is accused of interference in foreign elections. So, monumental and inexcusable, as I said.
You have an intrusive government? The one democratically elected by US people to run the country? Fifteen thousand gun murders a year, but you’re afraid of BLM and Antifa? And your guns will stop them? When, how, why? You need your guns to protect you from the government, as on January 6?
I’m convinced. The 2nd amendment serves no rational purpose whatever. It simply allows irrational crazies to own and use guns. See above.
notnolib says
Thoughts on how we dispose of the 2nd Amendment, Achmed? And what we do with those who oppose it’s removal? And who would enforce such actions?
Are you one of allahu’s ackbarbarians? Asking for a friend.
Ecosse1314 says
So Rancid Rod has appeared again . Sitting alone in his little unknown shangri-la. Apparently the nasty Americans interfered with his unknown Utopia.
If Rod is an example then I have to say the Americans did not interfere enough.
gravenimage says
So now we have to be condemned because we have engaged in “diplomatic and commercial activities”? This is just bizarre.
Rod says
Folks, could I nominate this little gem from “Infidel” as the most idiotic comment you will read this year in this little treasure house of idiotic opinions.
“America is not accountable for things that happened more than 30 years ago.”
Once again we see monumental stupidity and bigotry keeping company, as they so often do..
And a prize for anybody who can explain in rational language why America is not accountable for events more than 30 years ago, while Islam, according to jihadwatchers, is accountable for events even twelve centuries ago.
Wellington says
Gun violence in America, Rod, is engaged in by criminals, disproportionately black I might add, and yet the Democrats make excuses for criminals all the time, even wanting to do away with bail or eager on early parole for those incarcerated. Yet, the focus by the fraudulent and stupid Biden Administration is on law-abiding citizens who own guns. Ass-backwards thinking again, courtesy of left-think. And, if you’re able, reflect upon the huge number of times a gun is used in America by not only police but a law-abiding citizen to STOP a bad guy from killing or maiming.
For further clarification on how foolish and uninformed you are, see the replies of gravenimage and Infidel to you as well. You have a lot to learn, Rod, but I wouldn’t bet a beer, let alone a case of beer, that you ever will learn.
But thanks for checking in here at JW from time to time to provide a few laughs at your expense. Yes indeed, keep up the good work.
Rod says
Wellington, uninformed as I am, I hate to tell you this, but gun violence in America is in America. You can blame anyone you like, but it’s an essential feature of American culture. Blaming somebody else changes nothing. There is something badly wrong in US society. Americans kill each other with horrific frequency. Get used to it.
I’m clearly uninformed, but I do know that it doesn’t happen where I live or in most other modern societies. We would never tolerate it.
Perhaps you should do something about it.
Wellington says
Rod:
Traditionally, America has been the freest country on earth. With such freedom comes the greater opportunity to abuse freedom. Moreover, the expansion of America came often times with violence. The West was won, not negotiated. America is a very great nation, I believe the greatest on earth, but greatness comes at a price and often with great flaws, both at the individual level and in the aggregate. This is not excuse making, just analysis.
There is also the factor of black America way out of proportion to its numbers accounting for a huge number of gun deaths per year (ordinarily against other blacks, many of whom are completely innocent citizens). Southern culture has played a role in gun deaths too, something to do with old codes of honor and all that. I remember several years ago (sorry I can’t provide a link) reading a startling article with statistics to back things up that stated that minus black males and Southern white males, the US has approximately the same murder rate as Canada, which of course has a very low rate.
More expansively, I want to state that I am for a maximum amount of freedom but maximum penalties for abuse of freedom. Shouldn’t have the first without the second. Unfortunately, for too long America hasn’t had the second.
There is also another factor to take into account and that can be found in John Lott’s “More Guns, Less Crime.” This book’s thesis, which is backed up with massive amounts of detail, is that those communities which have the most amount of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens have the least amount of crime. Again, the problem is not guns per se but the person who uses (or abuses) the gun.
There are many considerations to take into account in any assessment of gun violence in America. I merely touched upon some.
Andrew Blackadder says
Rod,I want a Gun to protect me from morons like you.
“The beauty of the Second Amendment is that we may not have to use it unless the First Amendment is violated”… Thomas Jefferson.
You, Rod, sound like a classic “gun kills people” kind of idiot, as if the Gun just goes off by itself… You are a danger to humanity because the very first thing an Authoritative Government wants to do is take away any resistant from the public and that always means, disarming them so they cannot fight back.
curious george says
With the left, the issue is never the issue, it’s the narrative that matters.
The left is doing what it does best, deflection and projection, refusing to accept responsibility for the policies that they have instituted, by design, that seem to be the cause of what ails the USA.
Their goal has always been the complete takeover of the USA and the removal of guns is an imperative for them. We seem to be following the same road as Venezuela.
“Gun Control Preceded the Tyranny in Venezuela.”
https://fee.org/articles/gun-control-preceded-the-tyranny-in-venezuela/
Batten down the hatches, the worst is yet to come.
Rod says
In “the freest country on earth” Wellington, I read today that it’s illegal, actually illegal, to supply food and drink to people queueing up to vote. That’s freedom? Not where I live. It sounds like the petulance of a demented dictator.
In my backward corner of the globe, that idea is cause for bemused hilarity. Especially because we never have to queue to vote.
You see, our government encourages everybody to vote, and makes it easy to do so, in person, or by mail. We provide staff and facilities and organisation to ensure it. We wonder why Americans tolerate the measures some of your politicians impose with the obvious intention of making the “freedom” to vote difficult or impossible. “Freedom”? You’re joking.
I’m “free” of the knowledge that there are millions of guns in my society, and that they are dangerous. I’m free of the knowledge that dozens of my fellow citizens, perhaps including my own family, will be shot and killed every day. I’m free of the fear that children in my family might be shot and killed in their schoolrooms.
In your “free” country, the president was elected in 2016 by a minority of votes. So much for your freedom to democratically elect your government. Such “freedom” is laughed at elsewhere. Your president can over-rule the decisions of hundreds of your elected congressmen and women. Freedom? Europeans took that right away from kings and emperors centuries ago, because they wanted freedom to govern themselves. When are you going to catch up?
As for the events of 6th January, The world saw that Americans don’t yet understand democracy or the freedoms and obligations that go with it.
You do not enjoy a single freedom which I don’t have, except the “freedom” to own a gun. That’s a “freedom” I don’t need or want. Why should I? What’s it worth? Nothing.
Rod says
Andrew, you’ll have no problem “protecting” yourself from me. I don’t own or need to own a weapon of any kind.
As for Jefferson’s wish that “we may not have to use” the Second Amendment, “unless the First Amendment is violated”, isn’t the Second Amendment in use every day, when armed Americans kill each other in appalling numbers?
You’ll be horrified to learn that my “Authoritative Government” has effectively disarmed me and most of my fellow citizens, so that we “cannot fight back.” In fact, we weren’t disarmed, as we had no guns in the first place. Primitives, perhaps.
Strangely, none of us can imagine “fighting back”. Who would we fight? Why? I live in a peaceful, stable, well governed, largely contented society. Don’t you?
If you don’t, I feel sorry for you. We’re often angry with our government. But frightened? Seriously? Why?
And yes, you’re right. Guns don’t kill people. Americans kill people; including thousands of their fellow Americans. Maybe Americans without guns might kill fewer of their fellow Americans. Worth a try?
Rod says
Wellington, you seem to be living in a fantasy world, populated only by you and your fellow fanatics.
You tell us “those communities which have the most amount of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens have the least amount of crime.”
Murder rates per 100,000 population (the most serious crime)
USA 5.3
Israel 1.4
Australia 0.8
Canada 1.8
Germany 1.0
Japan 0.2
Incarceration rates per 100,000 population (indicating rates of crime)
USA 665
Israel 234
Australia 169
Canada 107
germany 77
Japan 39
Thanks to your guns? What a laugh!
Where do you Americans get the crazy ideas that you are supermen? Look around you. You’re pathetic, dangerous, ignorant, arrogant fools, and the world knows it. And the most ignorant have the gall to ridicule Muslims.
gravenimage says
“Rod” wrote:
In my…corner of the globe…
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Of course, “Rod” consistently refuses to identify this paradise–which apparently has no problems whatsoever, and its history does not inspire guilt in “Rod”, earned or unearned.
But the ‘filthy Infidels’ have no way of verifying these implications, of course.
He also has not said how his own neck of the woods benefits from the importation of Jihadists–nor will he now.
Rod says
Pinocchio, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with “Rod” – where he lives, what he thinks, what he implies, what he doesn’t say and why. Are you secretly in love with him?
gravenimage says
I regularly point out apologia for evil here, as anyone who reads at Jihad Watch knows. “Rod” is an ugly example, but he is nothing special.
tgusa says
If democrats are successful in their quest to de-fund the police real Americans can begin the arduous effort to erase the shame of democrat gun violence and general criminality. I am deeply ashamed to have to live among such fanatics.
Ron B. says
Prior to the Australian cavalry Charge at Beersheba at the end of WW1 ,The people living in the land of Judea were Ottoman subjects and Bedouin .Many of the latter still live in Israel .
Prior to 1948 Israel was loosely divided into three sections, Jewish and two separate areas of Arab persons. This was starting to work well as the new Israelis were beginning to build quickly, a nation that could provide a living for many of these Arabic peoples who had been in dire Poverty under the Turks then the British.
The Arab league didn’t like this and began the 1st Israel arab conflict which ended in salty tears for the arabs.
ROBERT CARRILLO says
Who are these people anyway?
All of the Biden-istas are corrupt crazies, who apparently believe that we are all gullible morons. They are so wrong about that..
somehistory says
And there is no “crises” at the Southern border, no illegals are streaming in, by the thousands, no terrorists have been caught sneaking across, jen psaka doesn’t keep saying “circle back to you on that,” psaki doesn’t lie, doesn’t refuse to answer questions and say she already answered, k harris has not laughed at the idea she is supposed to go to the border and see what she can do to ‘help’ the situation; biden and his henchmen have not decided they should build some wall after all; biden is not speaking….or trying…to iran about money and sanctions and “deals,” and j kerry is not wheeling and dealing on biden’s and ‘o’s behalf; and n pelosi is not an old lying witch, and c shumer is a nice guy who has only the interest of those who pray in mind when he says, “enough of prayers and thoughts.”
According to those who should join Liars Anonymous, Israel is the bad guy and has no rights that aren’t assigned by the governments friendly to islam, and any assigned are only temporary.
will says
Someone do the US a favor and lock up Biden and all his shop of fools on the poopdeck. He is a stubmling disaster