Islamic supremacists never, ever take responsibility for what they have done.
“Turkey Summons US Ambassador Over Genocide Announcement,” by Zeynep Bilginsoy, NECN, April 25, 2021 (thanks to Tom):
Turkey’s foreign ministry has summoned the U.S. Ambassador in Ankara to protest the U.S. decision to mark the deportation and killing of Armenians during the Ottoman Empire as “genocide.”
Deputy Foreign Minister Sedat Onal met with David Satterfield late Saturday to express Ankara’a strong condemnation. “The statement does not have legal ground in terms of international law and has hurt the Turkish people, opening a wound that’s hard to fix in our relations,” the ministry said.
On Saturday, U.S. President Joe Biden followed through on a campaign promise to recognize the events that began in 1915 and killed an estimated 1.5 million Ottoman Armenians as genocide. The statement was carefully crafted to say the deportations, massacres and death marches took place in the Ottoman Empire. “We see that pain. We affirm the history. We do this not to cast blame but to ensure that what happened is never repeated,” it said.
The White House proclamation immediately prompted statements of condemnation from Turkish officials, although Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is yet to address the issue.
Turkey rejects the use of the word, saying both Turks and Armenians were killed in the World War I-era fighting, and has called for a joint history commission to investigate. For years, American presidents have avoided using “genocide” to describe what Armenians call Meds Yeghern, or the Great Crime….
Raja says
One good and significant thing this POTUS had done so far. Hope Islam is recognized as one of the perpetrators of genocide throughout history along side Pol pot, Stalin, Lenin,Mao and so on. Islam also is the only genocidal ideology that masqueraders as a religion, something only Satan can match for lies and murder. Jesus said: Satan was a murderer from the beginning(John 8:44).
revereridesagain says
Well, we shall see if he holds the line. If Trump was still here that thug would probably receive a one-word answer. How do you say “Nuts” in Turkish?
Rob Porter says
The fact is, even Trump was not tough enough with Turkey. When the Islamic lunatic, Erdogan, was openly blabbering on about a restored Ottoman Empire, Trump should have told him him to stop talking rubbish and to stop his murderous actions against the Armenian enclave Nagorno-Karabakh. Terrible things happened there, decapitations and mutilations, yet no one in the gutless West said a thing. Turkey under Trump’s watch should have been booted out of NATO.
gravenimage says
Trump was not perfect. Still miss him overall, though.
gravenimage says
Yes–one decent thing that Biden has done.
Governor Newsom in California has also recognized the Armenian Genocide as such.
JCA Reid says
They don’t like the Truth at all.
tom syseskey says
The Armenian genocide did not end with the fall of the Ottoman Empire but continued with the establishment of the Turkish Republic under Ataturk especially in 1920.
As the Spanish Cvil War was regarded as a rehearsal to World War II with Nazi German and Fascist Italian fighting on the side of General Franco against the Republican government and its Communist allies from the Soviet Union and volunteers from America, Britain and elsewhere, there was another “rehearsal” anticipating the Hitler-Stalin pact providing for their mutual invasion of Poland and other Eastern European countries to divide them between Germany and the Soviet – namely, an agreement between the Turkish dictator Ataturk and the Soviet dictator Lenin to annihilate Armenians on both sides of the Turkish-Soviet border. Ataturk emulated Lenin even to the point of gowing a beard similar to Lenin’s.
gravenimage says
This is true, Tom. The Armenian Genocide–really, a genocide against *all* Christians, including Greeks, Assyrians, and Levantines–began with the Ottoman Empire, continued with the “Young Turks”, and continued under Ataturk, and did not end until the terrible destruction of Smyrna in 1922.
They differed in many ways. but all agreed with murdering Infidels.
And this atrocity inspired Hitler in genocide against the Jews in the Holocaust.
tim gallagher says
This truthful calling the genocide against the Armenians by the Turks “does not have legal ground in terms of international law and has hurt the Turkish people”, blah, blah. Boo fucking hoo. The truth hurts. It is about time the slaughter was rightly called genocide by the barbaric Turks and they should be exposed for the vicious murdering scum that they are for perpetrating the genocide. If international law doesn’t recognise it as genocide, then international law must be an ass and a useless and cowardly legal system.
gravenimage says
+1
tim gallagher says
gravenimage, this genocide, way back during World War I, from what I remember (I think I mainly read about it years ago in a history of the 20th century by Paul Johnson, a conservative British historian, and was appalled by it), has taken an unbelievable amount of time to receive the attention and the categorisation as a genocide that it deserves. I don’t know how Turkey has managed to get away with having this genocide ignored by so many people for so long.
gravenimage says
Tim, the Armenian Genocide began in tbe late 1800s and continued in waves through WWI and into the early 1920s. Between 1.5 and 2 million Christians were slaughtered and most of the rest fled. There is just a tiny remnant of Christians remaining in Turkey today.
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the information, gravenimage. I did not realise that the genocide had begun back in the late 1800s. I recall reading about the atrocities committed during WWI. Christians and other non-Muslims generally have to flee countries, if they can do so, where Muslims have power and always treat non-Muslims appallingly. I’m glad that this genocide committed against the Armenians is getting some attention these days. The fact that Muslims always treat non-Muslims very badly is one of many reasons why I say our non-Muslim countries should not allow Muslims to migrate into our countries. We owe Muslims no favours as they have always treated non-Muslims very badly.
gravenimage says
Tim, a good but very harrowing book on the subject is “The Burning Tigris” by Peter Balakian.
LB says
Yeah, muslim Turks actively banishing, raping, crucifying, and killing MILLIONS of non-muslim civilians and illegally seizing their property, over the course of several years, inside their own country, with every intention of ethnically cleansing them, is not genocide. But Christian Serbs killing a FEW THOUSAND enemy muslim combatants (who cowardly took off their uniforms and mixed in with the local population), during one afternoon, in a hostile country, in a state of war, is most definitely without a shed of doubt — genocide.
If mainstream media hadn’t told me otherwise, my pattern recognition sense would notice a common trend every time muslims are involved…
oskar says
Turkey talking about hurting a people’s sensitivities!?!? That’s what Turkey does officially since the foundation of the republic… As a poster points out it above, it did not end with the establishment of the republic, contrary it is still denied and Armenians are always their targets. Spokepersons of a terrorist state that has been doing all kinds of evil in order to fully cleanse Anatolia from non-muslims have never right to talk about hurting a people’s sensitivities!
gravenimage says
Yes–how much does the mass slaughter of over 1.5 million people and the subsequent denial of its ever happening–or the claim that they deserved it–hurt people’s sensitivities?
DVult says
Summon their ambassador then boot him out of the country.
gravenimage says
Turkey’s foreign ministry summons US Ambassador to protest recognition of Armenian Genocide
……………….
How *dare* the ‘filthy Infidels’ learn the truth about Islam? Bad dhimmis!
Fred van de Bunt says
Pimp types, like these Turks, that summoned or threatened me before, always ended up calling the police for help.
If you are a customer of their goods, you will act differently, like in this case the EU and Bidens America.
OLD GUY says
Turkey is an ISLAMIC dictatorship with the desire to lead the Islam to world dominance. If Turkey is allowed to continue down this road the GENOCIDE of Armenian’s will be just a small item. the murder and enslavement of the Christian and Jewish populations around the world will be absolute devastation.
Boycott Turkey says
I noticed the British media BB☪️ And Sly News have not mentioned Biden recognising the Armenian Genocide the British establishment is anti Armenian and pro Turkey even during the war it was pro Azerbaijan
SAFI says
Putin also publicly commemorated the Armenian Genocide on AG Remembrance day just like he did last year and the year before (Russia recognized the AG some years ago) There was no similar outrage from Ankara, not a word in fact as far as I could notice.
Either Ankara considers Russia insignificant or they just reserve a special type of belicosity exclusively for thei American “allies”… I kind of suspect the latter…
gravenimage says
Yes–one thing that Putin has done right. Credit where it is due.
Infidel says
Third option: Turkey genuinely fears Russia, and thinks that the West is still Christian enough to pick Russia over Turkey, or at least stay neutral, and therefore avoids antagonizing Russia
infidel says
Islam prohibits the mourning of the victims of Jehaad by the kith and kin of the victims. They consider their cries and wails as NASOOR or bad omen. So they can murder Ur near and dear ones in Jehaad but U dare not mourn. Is there any limit to this evil?
gravenimage says
This is true. The victims of Islam are not allowed to criticize violence agains them, either–unless they want more of the same.
Peter Weber says
There were celebrations and demonstrations across Los Angeles County. Hundreds of activists gathered in Beverly Hills outside the Turkish Consulate on Wilshire Boulevard, waving Armenian flags, wearing T-shirts that said “Our wounds are still open, 1915” and chanting “Turkey must pay!”
Turkey will not have to pay one Turkish Lira. Biden generates false hope …
For once Erdogan is right … there is no legal basis to call the events of 1915 “genocide” …
There is a legal principal called ex post facto, meaning “after the fact”. Basically it means you can’t be prosecuted for something that there was no law against at the time you did it.
There was no U.N. or League of Nations and no concept of international law at the time.
In Perincek v. Switzerland, the European Court of Human Rights concluded that it had no authority to determine the status of the 1915 events as genocide under international law.
Another example:
The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki occurred on 6-9 August 1945.
Although the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are meeting all the criteria, listed in the Article 2 of the United Nations Convention on Genocide, except for one (forcibly transferring children of the group to another group), we can clearly see that it cannot be a case of genocide (any finding under international law of genocide in that case at this late date would constitute a legally untenable ex-post-facto proclamation).
gravenimage says
No one said that Turkey would be prosecuted 100 years after the fact.
This is very different from acknowledging that it happened, though.
seabird says
The perpetrators of the Armenian genocide (CUP-young Turk leaders) were already tried and convicted of subversion, war time profiteering and massacres against Armenians and Greeks by a Turkish Court Martial in 1919-20 and sentenced to death.
Case closed.
We should send that “bar rescue” guy to meet with this erdogan thug to educate him in Turkish history.
gravenimage says
The genocide continued under Ataturk. Just look up the destruction of Smyrna.