Centuries ago, popes spearheaded the resistance to the advancing jihad. But Erdogan knows what he is dealing with in Pope Francis, and it isn’t exactly the spirit of the Crusades. Whatever else he may be, Pope Francis is the perfect pope for a Europe that has discarded and no longer appreciates its own culture and heritage.
“Erdogan urges Pope to help end Gaza conflict, impose sanctions on Israel,” AFP, May 17, 2021 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday urged Pope Francis to help rally the world to adopt sanctions against Israel for its “massacre” of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
The phone call between Erdogan and the pontiff came as Turkey presses ahead with a furious diplomatic push to help end bloodshed that has claimed the lives of 197 Palestinians and 10 people in Israel since May 10.
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Erdogan told Pope Francis that “Palestinians will continue to be subjected to a massacre unless the international community punishes Israel… with sanctions”, the Turkish presidency said.
The pope’s messages were of “great importance to mobilize the Christian world and the international community”, the Turkish statement added.
The pope on Sunday said the loss of innocent lives in the violence was “terrible and unacceptable”, warning that the conflict risked “degenerating into a spiral of death and destruction”.
Erdogan, who has vocally championed the Palestinian cause during his 18-year rule, has spoken out repeatedly against Israel’s actions, accusing it of waging “terrorism” last week.
He told the pope on Monday that “all of humanity should be united against” Israel.
“The savagery caused by Israel threatens regional security,” he added….
mortimer says
Erdogan wants the pope to do him a favor the week after he hung ALLAH AKBAR on the Hagia Sophia.
Nice timing, idiot.
GFF says
‘All the gear, no idea.’
gravenimage says
Surprisingly, Biden did actually ask Erdogan to reconsider on turning Hagia Sofia into a Mosque. Not much, but it was something…
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
I wasn’t aware that.
Apparently, Sleepy Joe didn’t mention any actual negative ramifications if Erdogan did not comply with his request…
gravenimage says
James:
“Biden hits out at Turkey, calls on Erdogan to reverse decision on Hagia Sophia”
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2020/10/06/Biden-hits-out-at-Turkey-calls-on-Erdogan-to-reverse-decision-on-Hagia-Sophia
Although this was during the Trump administration. I haven’t heard him say anything since. Still, credit where it is due.
Grace says
Biden’s feeble words were to satisfy Americans who were still foolish enough to believe Biden was in charge of is own mind. If the Pope lifts a finger to aid Hamas against Israel I honestly believe he will lose the catholic Church in America. What the result will be in Europe, who knows? In European countries that have apparently subjugated their own citizens to hordes of illegals and rape gangs, street knife attacks and the willingness to support them with their tax money, who can fathom them?
Ben Kennedy says
It may be time for the American Catholics to do what the Greek Orthodox and Russian Orthodox Churches did a few centuries ago. They proved the Vatican was not “bulletproof” and the Pope living there now is just abusive of the Catholics as the Democrats are the American People. Lutherans broke away, so Catholics more devoted to their Faith than the imposter pope have options; just as the American People have in dealing with our imposter president.
gravenimage says
Alas, many Lutheran leaders appease Islam, as well.
Cathy says
It is probably the Pope will take up the Palestinian victim side
Ben Kennedy says
Karol Józef Wojtyła was a NAZI from Poland in WW-II who became Pope in the 1970s and lasted until 2005 (I think). Anyhow, since they assume the right to forgive any Catholic sin, it stands to reason they recognize no sin in themselves. Pope JP-II must have introduced his NAZI ideas to the Vatican Staff before he went to stand before the Real God a little over 15 years ago.
gravenimage says
What utter claptrap. What Nazi ideas did Pope John Paul II ever evince? Citations, please.
mortimer says
What is Erdogan doing to discriminate against religious minorities in Turkey?
gravenimage says
Plenty, unfortunately. He’s doing nothing to stop it, though.
Dude says
That turkey dude doesn’t have a clue.
Brando says
Because of him,many catholics are becoming SEDEVACANTE,that means the belief that the Last Authentic Pope was
PIUS 12 ( died 1958 ). That All the Popes who came after him are NOT legitimate.
So the Catholic church would have been ruled by no real pope for 63 years ( 2 generations).
SOMETHING SIMILAR HAPPENED BEFORE
There was the GREAT SCHISM ( began in 1378 ) in the 14th century where for:
1. 30 years there were TWO POPES at the SAME time
2.Later for some 10 years there were THREE popes at the Same Time.
John says
John Paul 2 greatest Pope in my lifetime. He single-handedly with a little bit of help from Ronald Reagan destroyed communism in eastern Europe with help from Jesus Christ.
Mauricio says
The picture of John Paul II visiting muslims and kissing a Coran is disgusting.
Ben Kennedy says
John Paul II was a NAZI in WW-II Poland under the name of Karol Józef Wojtyła. Let that sink in as you ask if there was anything going on in Warsaw in those days that would show some hate for the Jews; both then and in his days now (which ended in 2005).
gravenimage says
More tripe from Ben Kennedy. Again, citations please.
Jill says
It still amazes me that Islamic nut jobs continue to accuse EVERYONE ELSE of the very crimes they commit!
If our western nations do not get some testicular fortitude, no one will be safe except these criminal Islamic Thugs! We, the West, should have conferences like our enemies do. They are in OUR nations and we better stop allowing it. I say, change our Constitution. Make it better for us, not foreign enemies! Something must be done. If you love your country and/or have children….DO SOMETHING!
Ben Kennedy says
The way you put that makes me think the moslem terrorist must have some latent Democratic Party Tendencies.
Rarely says
The Pope’s response could prove interesting.
Raja says
What a way to honor pope, who has been an apologist for Islam for a long long time. It should not be surprising to see the pope, well aligned with red and green axis (of evil) to throw in his hat any moment.
This pope is a big disappointment for God, his church and mankind and pleasing for Satan and all his agents of destruction, confusion, despair and hopelessness.
GFF says
Indeed. You could add his agencies of distraction and division.
Distraction from His message – His Good News and, alas, division in His church.
Vyx says
Malachi Martin wrote a novel called Windswept House that he claims is mostly factual. The gist of it is that the globalists (actually S@t@n) is in charge of the Catholic Church; Francis is their man. They wanted JP II to die or resign. IMHO, they got Benedict to resign.
I have long thought that due to the $$$ in the Vatican, that the globalists promised the pope he would be the head of a one-world religion. That seems to be the goal, and Francis seems to be OK with it. So honestly, I can see him pandering to the Palis and sacrificing the Jews. There are fewer Jews in the world than Muslims and honestly, he doesn’t seem to care of Christians/Catholics are slaughtered, so why would he care about Jews?
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
“…degenerating into a spiral of death and destruction.” Isn’t that one of the principal aims Islam holds out for the future of the world?
tim gallagher says
Totally agree with your comment, Beneath the Veil of Consciousness. That’s islam’s plan alright. That’s all Islam has got to offer – death and destruction.Then, of course, once all of us non-Muslims have given up and surrendered, then, and only then, the Muslims say that there will be peace. Yeah, and pigs might fly.
gravenimage says
Spot on.
john smith says
Erdogan is an evil cunning megalomaniac, Pope Francis is a radical leftard idiot. That’s what I would call,
“a match made in hell.”
tim gallagher says
Well said, john. That seems to me to be a very accurate description of these two men.
Wellington says
Seconded.
gravenimage says
Absolutely, John. And good to see you posting.
john smith says
Thank you, it’s nice to be back amongst like minded people. I won’t go in to detail but I had a lot of things that I had to sort out, but everything is ok now.
gravenimage says
Glad to hear it, John.
JOEYN says
Erdogan and every other Islamic leader encourage each other and all followers of Islam to discriminate against and oppress Non-Muslims (Christians included) in every single Islamic country in all sorts of horrible manner.
Then Erdogan has the nerve to go to this dope of a Pope to ask him to get the Christians to support the Muslims in their Jihad against a Jewish nation which the Muslims have been trying to take over and convert it to another shithole Islamic nation for a very long time.
If this Pope follows the request of Erdogan (which this Pope is very capable of doing since he is a real dope of a Pope) that will truly be the biggest joke.
Boycott Turkey says
Erdogan recently ethically cleansed Armenians from Artaksh even Israel sided with Turkey and Azerbaijan against Armenians and now his asking the Christian world to mobilise against Israel if anything the Christian world should be mobilised against Turkey for the theft of Agia Sophia and the Armenian Greek Assyrian genocides I really don’t like the pope he doesn’t even care about catholic Christians being killed in Pakistan and Nigeria no wonder Erdogan felt comfortable enough to ask him for such a outrageous request the pope was even silent on Agia Sophia the pope makes me sick to be honest I can’t bear the sight of him
GreekEmpress says
I don’t know what upsets me more—
Erdogan having the nerve to ask the pope to encourage sanctions against Israel, or the fear that Pope Francis is capable of doing something like that.
GreekEmpress says
Or the gall of Erdogan calling for the pope to help stop the massacre of innocents in Palestine, when he just helped Azerbaijan massacre more Armenians in Artsakh.
It will be interesting to see what he does. I don’t hear much from him on the annihilation of Christians in Africa.
Boycott Turkey says
Greek Empress The pope doesn’t care for Christians I thought maybe it’s because Greeks Armenians are Orthodox Christians but I noticed he doesn’t even care about his own catholic Christians what makes me angry is the silence of those so called Christian leaders on Agia Sophia and the the recent ethnic cleansing of Armenians from Artaksh we are on our own even other Orthodox Christian countries like Russia don’t care about Armenians and Greeks anymore and are siding with Turkey
GreekEmpress says
+1
James Lincoln says
What would’ve happened if a series of “Pope Francis types” had been Popes during the time of the Crusades???
Fred van de Bunt says
Muslims would be welcomed in Europe by multiculturalism preaching idiots, after which Muslim rape gangs would flourish, terrorism would spread, and whole areas within Europe would be ruled by sharia law. In those days common sense ruled though, and the whole sharia loving lot would be chased out of Europe back to the Meccan deserts.
This experience would prevent us making the same mistake twice at present, so it would have been great to have had a wimp of a Pope in those days, in stead of now.
Infidel says
All of Europe would have become like Spain in the dark ages, and remained that way! Or else, Martin Luther’s Protestant spin-off would have taken hold not only in parts of Germany, Nordic countries, Holland and England, but would also have swept through Spain, France, Austria, Italy, Portugal and other countries that were eventually Catholic
Andrew Blackadder says
Infidel: As far as I understand, England was not the only part of Britain that part of the Protestant spin-off, Scotland also, as well as Wales.
You do know that England is merely a part of the UK, and FYI, its not an Island either…
Infidel says
True, but England broke away under Henry VIII and the House of Tudor. Of his 3 successors, 2 were Protestant and 1 Catholic. Scotland wasn’t yet a part of England, and it was still Catholic under Mary, Queen of Scots (different from Henry VIII daughter Mary, both Catholic). It was only under King James VI of Scotland after he became King James I that Britain became one country. I’ve read claims that Henry VIII died a Catholic, but it’s obvious that he clearly favored his Protestant offspring to succeed him, which is why you had Edward VI, Mary and then Elizabeth I in that order
Scotland was an oversight on my part. Wales had been a part of England since Edward I: it’s not even represented in the Union Jack
gravenimage says
Islam may well have taken over Europe.
James Lincoln says
Thanks for the replies Fred, Infidel, and gravenimage.
Sounds about right…
Spiro says
So this Turkish butcher is calling on his pope buddy to help the muslims do
Their dirty work
Their your equals right
Pope
spiro says
One other thing hasn’t
History shown it’s not a good idea to go up against Israel
Just asking
somehistory says
Two devils shaking hands.
Since “vatican city” is considered as a nation unto itself, one could conclude that it is one of “all of the nations of the earth” that are being “gathered together to the Great Day of the war of God the Almighty, that is called in Hebrew Harmageddon (Armageddon).” Revelation 16
Now, since the pope has kissed face and made plans with some of the world’s most prominent mozlums, and since er slug a wan has called on his good buddy to help get Christians on board in his plan to destroy Israel, the mozlum must have a fairly good idea that the pope will agree.
After all, the pope didn’t tell him to buzz off, or to stop the mozlums from sending missiles into Israel, but did say that it was going to “spiral” into what it already is, not blaming mozlums in any way in his remark, we call all expect he will comply with the turkish buzzard.
And he slapped the hand of the little Catholic lady, with a very evil look on his ugly face, when she grabbed for him, .
Here, he’s all smiles and holding tightly to the hand of the mozlum filth.
Unbeknown to these two creeps, real Christians won’t have any part in the destruction plans for Israel. “The best laid plans of mozlums and wannabee’s,”….
born saturday says
even the pope, smokes dope…. that must have been a hard hit on something much stronger than regular dope…
Wellington says
Francis is stupid enough or vile enough (not sure which) to comply with Erdogan’s “request.”
I put no trust in Francis. None whatsoever. The man is either a complete fool or something even worse—the effect is the same.
Francis is a disaster not only to Catholicism but, more expansively, to Christianity and Western Civilization in general. I despise the man.
Infidel says
At this stage, I daresay if anyone founded a Christian sect whose core mission, aside from Biblical fundamentals, was opposition to and elimination of islam, it would have a good chance of quickly rivaling the largest Christian sects – Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant
Maybe the era of founding new religions ain’t passe as yet!
Mauricio says
Sounds like a great plan, Infidel. Unfortunately, the first problem is the apostolic succession. I myself wouldn’t join a Christian Church that does not have apostolic succession. It would contradict somehow Matthew 16:18-19:
“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
The other problem is that only the jihadwatch followers and a few others would appreciate a Christian religion that tries to eliminate islam. I don’t there will be as many followers as to rival catholics, orthodox and/or protestants.
gravenimage says
Just calling out Islam’s evil would be a good start. This *used* to be quite common.
Mauricio says
I agree, GI.
gravenimage says
Thanks. Mauricio.
Jim says
Perhaps they recall the pope the way they are doing to Newsom in California. On grounds that he is aiding an enemy of Christianity.
gravenimage says
Erdogan asks pope to ‘mobilize the Christian world’ to support the jihad against Israel
………………
Will the pope comply with this Jihadist thug?
St. Croix says
Notice how Erdogan is positioning himself.
He backs proxy war fronts all over the middle east/N. Africa, and stirs up conflicts. Just like he backs the Palestinian jihad. Just as Turkey provided for ISIS in the last decade. Then, he positions Turkey as the “peacemaker” who plans to end the terrible conflict, (eventually as the Neo Ottoman Empire). Basically, he want’s Turkey to run the show. Again. And this is his underhanded way of doing it. He causes trouble then appears on the scene as the saviour. This is Islamic “peace.” Peace by force, and peace by taking control and silencing the opposition.
Just like he has done in his own country, he plans to do all over the Middle East. And naturally this will draw the rest of the world into it, in some way or another, directly or indirectly.
He has nothing less on his mind than Turkey being the dominant force on the world scene. With a new Ottoman Empire, backed by say, Pakistan, Qatar, etc. and all their resources and fighting men. I saw on Memri the documents prepared by one of the Turkish generals, on their plan to eventually overwhelm Israel by numbers, using Palestine and Gaza to get tanks etc. so close to Israel, and surround them on all sides. IF they are already positioned there as the peacemakers, peace-keepers, believe me, they could do it. Because they will already be in place. And be telling the Israelis, look, we want peace, and you can have your freedom. Then, without a warning, the shoe will drop and Israel could be caught off-guard by the most shocking taquiyya move in history.
If Trump was at the helm in the U.S. nothing like that would probably happen.
However, with rigged elections, the Democrats will never leave office.
Too pessimistic? That’s what ordinary people in Europe said when the odd one here and there tried to warn them about Hitler rising. Even Jews in Germany mostly didn’t pay attention, even when their freedoms were starting to be stripped. Some got the message fast, and got out. But most did not. Sadly, most just didn’t believe it could happen. This is why i find WW2 documentaries and particularly those featuring interviews with Jews who were there. They say “we didn’t think it could happen.” Looking back, of course, we have hindsight. But for many the handwriting was on the wall. Like it is today. However, it’s just dismissed as sensational Islamophobia.
John says
Erdogan asks pope to ‘mobilize the Christian world’ to support the jihad against Israel
This Argentinian pope has been very naïve, but hopefully he’s not this fucking naïve. He should say, “Mr. Erdogan return The Haga Sofia church built by Christians over 1000 years ago to our Orthodox brothers and sisters, and remove all elements of Islam from that sacred church. until then go fuck yourself. If you refuse to do this, I have instructed our Jewish brothers to turn the mosque on top of the Wailing Wall into a synagogue. They’ve got the power to do it, just as you had the power to turn Saint Sophia church into a mosque.” And God bless you.
St. Croix says
A snowball’s chance in hell that Erdogan would agree, even if this Marxist pope asked. He’d probably call it “interference”–one of the terms he likes to use when people disagree with him. We can see that he has no problem with his own nation, and Muslims, interfering, at any and all levels. Typical hypocrisy.
Is Francis naive, or just acting on his more woke interpretation of the gospel?
Francis is into “dialogue” with the Muslims, so he won’t say anything to Erdogan to “stop the dialogue.” A Trump-style pope would be more confrontational. There’s nothing un-Christian about speaking the truth in the face of evil, is there?!! History shows where that leads, sadly. But it’s not a reason to not say anything. Take Jihadwatch here. Robert Spencer could be playing the saxophone instead! But he puts himself at risk to do this.
Mauricio says
Mr. Spencer playing the saxophone… Interesting.
James Lincoln says
Robert Spencer doesn’t seem like the “saxophone type” but you never know.
After all, I was shocked to find out how much he knows about major league baseball.
And John Guandolo, of all people, is a first rate singer/guitarist.
You just never know…
Mauricio says
Hahaha!
Have you seen him acting here?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q-BSLHQiPxs&list=PLuXxHEHGRVu9TEFZ6wIS1CXcHY1CR50IZ&index=30
He’s not the best bet, but still kind of funny.
gravenimage says
Robert Spencer does indeed play the saxophone–he’s mentioned this a few times here. He has, alas, not had much time for it in recent years, though.
James Lincoln says
Thanks for the info, gravenimage!
gravenimage says
He’s a big fan of jazz, as well.
Mauricio says
Erdogan has an enslaved Ecumenical Patriarch in Turkey, so why not try with the Pope?
By the way, those who comment that the Pope should be defending Hagia Sophia, let’s be realistic; do you think he really cares? It was a rival Church for centuries.
gravenimage says
Real Christians don’t want to see Christians of other denominations harmed.
Mauricio says
That is not exactly true, GI. Both catholics and orthodox Christians consider schism, heresy and apostasy as the worst sins that a person can commit. This is not my opinion, but according to their own canons and traditions. For example, if a catholic is involved in those sins, only the Pope can forgive him.
Lets also remind the dogma “outside of the Church there is no salvation”. Each Church believe they are the “one, holy, catholic and apostolic church”.
gravenimage says
Mauricio, there is nothing in Christianity itself that teaches targeting other Christians that one may have some doctrinal differences with.
Then, the implication that Christians are targeting Christians of other denominations for harm is obviously quite mistaken. Is there anyone preaching this today–or for the last several centuries? Clearly not.
You may want to think that things have not changed over the past half-millennium or so–not sure why you would want to, though.
OLD GUY says
Erdogan is nothing short of a bad copy of HITLER. The POPE is once again just protecting the Vatican by playing both sides of the issue as they did during WWll. A neutral political position.
Crusades Were Right says
Pope Woke and the Sultan of Genocidistan.
If you think this could be the start of a beautiful friendship…
…then you have a much stronger stomach than I do.
Andrew Blackadder says
The seems to like the words and deeds of man who turned a Church into a mosque, says nothing about the thousands of Christians being slaughtered by muslims around the World, and then goes home to his massive Castle surrounded by a huge Wall built to keep musilm invaders out.
I wonder when this stupid Pope actually invites some muslim leaders into the Vatican, or if they would ever enter.
You cant make this shit up anymore these days…