“I swear to God, one must not live in America because there is so much wickedness.”
Hey, here’s an idea: get out.
“Dearborn Man Accused Of ISIS Ties Threatened To Kill His Lawyer If Freed On Bond,” by Allan Lengel, Deadline Detroit, May 8, 2021 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
A legal team is fighting to get bond for a Dearborn man accused of being an ISIS soldier who hates America. However, the man has threatened to kill his lawyer as soon as he’s released, according to a government court filing.
U.S. District Judge David Lawson in Detroit will decide the bond issue Monday for Ibraheem Musaibli, 30, held in the Livingston County Jail on charges linked to the Islamic extremist group. A trial is set for October….
Musaibli was arrested on the Syrian battlefield in 2018 and subsequently indicted on allegations of knowingly providing and attempting to provide material support to ISIS. He was detained by Syrian Democratic Forces and was transferred to U.S. custody in July 2018.
He has been in federal custody nearly three years. His attorneys say he’s harassed in jail because he’s Muslim. He’s in isolation.
“Musaibli’s continued disdain for America coupled with his repeated demands to be sent to Yemen make him both a flight risk and a danger to the community. Musaibli’s motion for bond should therefore be denied,” the U.S. Attorney’s Office argued in an April 22 filing.
Musaibli was born in Michigan, but spent considerable time in Yemen, his parents’ birthplace, the court document states. He left the U.S. in 2015 and spent a few months in Yemen before sneaking into Syria to join ISIS. He trained with the organization and eventually fought in combat, the government alleges.
In a July 2016 conversation with his cousin, he called America “immoral,” and said: “I swear to God, one must not live in America because there is so much wickedness.” He then said about his parents, who live in Dearborn: “They are mad at me because I always tell them to get out of the country of the infidels as the Prophet had advised.”…
Further more, the government wrote:
Musaibli expresses that he wants to be imprisoned in an Arab country rather than “this infidel country.” Finally, over a discovery issue, Musaibli claimed that “as soon as he is out he will kill [his] attorney.
His attorneys, John Shea and James Gerometta, write in a motion filed last week that Musaibli denies being an ISIS member. He’s not a danger or flight risk, they say
As for the threat about killing his attorney, they write:
Mr. Musaibli has been locked up for almost three years; his frustration is understandable, and defense attorneys routinely deal with clients directing their frustrations at them. Undersigned counsel are confident that, at worst, the call reflects this frustration and they do not take his words literally….
Good luck with that.
Frank Anderson says
WOW! I had a case similar to this. A client mused about blowing up the plant where he worked and killing his parents and wife during our first consultation. Then later he chased his wife around their home with a knife. When his father intervened he held the knife to his own throat. The father came to see me and told me what happened. As required by all manner of rules and law, I went with the father to seek his commitment. I was then added to his list.
Attorney client privilege, the duty in particular of confidentiality, dies forever in the presence of planned or ongoing crime or fraud. My client was warned about this loss at our first meeting. Once privilege has been lost it cannot be reclaimed, United States v. Krasnov, affirmed under Oppenheimer v. United States, 355 U.S. 5 (1957). These attorneys must withdraw and be replaced. They are now witnesses.
Please consult a currently licensed attorney practicing in your jurisdiction for any legal advice.
gravenimage says
Thanks, Frank.
If these attorneys continue working for this thug they are fools–and, as you note, this is likely legally disallowed, in any case.
william says
“and they do not take his words literally” He has expressed his desire to be in a Moose Limb prison so he is clearly a flight risk,
Well that is real big of them. When Moose Limbs make those kind of threats they often carry them out. I hope I never need a defence attorney as they seem to be real dorks, and liars as well.
Frank Anderson says
W., having received several death threats, and several attempts, when one is made, it needs to be taken seriously. That is one of several reasons I am the “charming” person that I am. The lawyers who do not believe his threats are totally ignorant of muslim teaching, which among other things, forbids any gratitude to worthless infidels (kuffar) for any acts of kindness. “There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.” Or as I write about often, Viktor Frankl’s Delusion of Reprieve (Man’s Search for Meaning).
gravenimage says
Scary, Frank. Yes, you have to take threats seriously.
James Lincoln says
His attorneys, John Shea and James Gerometta, do not understand the mindset of a devout muslim.
It could prove to be fatal…
Infidel says
Were his attorneys such devout leftists that they had to represent him, even though he threatened to kill them?
I do support his demand to be released into Yemen. Hopefully on the side opposed to whatever he believes in: if he’s pro-Iran, put him in pro-Saudi controlled south Yemen, and if he’s pro-Saudi, hand him over to the Houthis ?
Frank Anderson says
I, my understanding of the rules is that when a client threatens or attempts to injure or kill the attorney, or anyone connected with the attorney, the attorney must withdraw. The relationship is dead, dead, dead. I was threatened with murder in 1982, and several attempts were made both on me and my ex-wife at least to show us it could be done. When the former client’s non-client manager claimed I was bound by the duty of confidentiality, I won and he lost
Under the Code of Professional Responsibility, a lawyer employed by a corporation or similar entity owes his duty to the entity and not to any agent, officer, director, shareholder, employee or other person, especially when any of those are acting to harm the entity. Here, the much simpler situation where the sole client threatens the attorney, the client has fired the attorney and lost the privilege..
gravenimage says
Frank Anderson wrote:
I, my understanding of the rules is that when a client threatens or attempts to injure or kill the attorney, or anyone connected with the attorney, the attorney must withdraw. The relationship is dead, dead, dead.
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Frank, what happens if a defendant threatens *any* lawyer assigned him? Just curious–this sounds like something Jihadists would do.
Frank Anderson says
GI, IF I were the prosecuting attorney for the state bar, a lawyer who is threatened by a client would be required to withdraw from the case and report the threat.
ALL lawyers are required as their first duty to exercise “independent professional judgment” at all times. They are required at all times under every circumstance to represent their clients “within the bounds of the law and requirements of professional conduct.” Nix v. Whiteside.
They are required to report planned or ongoing criminal or fraudulent conduct, including that of clients. The presence of criminal or fraudulent conduct destroys all duty of confidentiality forever. In re Grand Jury, 640 F.2d 49, Clark v. United States, 289 U.S. 1.
Federal law, 18 United States Code Section 1503 makes “any corrupt endeavor to harass, oppress or intimidate” a federal victim, witness or party in a federal court proceeding, before, during or after the proceeding a federal crime. Section 1503 was merged with 1505 and re-codified into Section 1512 by the Victims and Witnesses Protection Act of 1982, which has been determined multiple times in different circuits to continue previous rulings; not making legal, previously illegal conduct.
The cases are collected, explained and fully cited in the article When to Keep Silent: An Alternative to Whistleblowing, which was published as part of Securities Exchange Commission proceedings approximately 1996 on Lexis. Guess who did a year’s research, reviewed by a number of lawyers including the Executive Director and General Counsel of the state bar, and a former United States Attorney?
Threatening a lawyer in the course of a federal case is a federal crime; and because of Article 6 Clause 2 (The Supremacy Clause) should be treated as a crime in state courts whether state law has similar provisions or not. Now that the threat is public the prosecutor in the case should move to disqualify the threatened attorneys and call them as witnesses. I can imagine no way their representation after being threatened and submitting to illegal conduct would be ruled adequate if there is a conviction which is subsequently appealed. Nix v. Whiteside.
Please consult a currently licensed attorney practicing in your jurisdiction for any legal advice.
gravenimage says
His attorneys were likely court appointed–but surely this is grounds for their withdrawing from the case.
gravenimage says
Michigan: Muslim accused of waging jihad for the Islamic State threatens to murder his attorneys
“I swear to God, one must not live in America because there is so much wickedness.”
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Not waging violent Jihad and murdering your *own* attorneys–this is what pious Muslims consider “wicked”. He is no American–let’s hope he can be deported after he serves his sentence.
Chrissie01 says
silence, I’ll kill you!
Chrissie01 says
sorry, forgot to add: Quote from Achmed, the dead terrorist. It fits everywhere and anytime
gravenimage says
I knew that, Chrissie, but thanks for making it plain.
Here is Achmed the Dead Terrorist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhVpoRaTdj0&ab_channel=JeffDunham
Great stuff!
citoyen says
Must have been reading Shakespeare while in solitary because there was only that and the Koran
“Kill all the lawyers” (in Hamlet I think and maybe also in the Koran).
Michael Copeland says
Memo to the two attorneys:
It really DOES say “Kill them wherever you find them” in their Manual.
Their Manual cannot be changed, and is “true from eternity to eternity”
(Sam Solomon, previously professor of Islamic Law).
SB says
Wickedness? America! Horrible, America where 9 year old girls are not married off to 56 year old pervs who get to legally rape them!
ROBERT CARRILLO says
Anyone surprised?