Considering the low opinion he obviously has of Catholic teaching on abortion, expect him to be accused of “Islamophobia” forthwith.
“Tim Kaine Compares Catholic Teaching on Abortion to ‘Sharia Law,’” by Thomas D. Williams, Breitbart, May 22, 2021:
U.S. Sen. Tim Kaine, who identifies as Catholic, weighed in this week on Holy Communion for pro-abortion politicians, asserting that requiring Catholic legislators to oppose abortion is like imposing sharia law on the nation.
In an essay for the far-left National Catholic Reporter, Kaine suggested abortion is not a matter of the life and death of an unborn child, but merely of norms governing human sexuality.
For bishops to demand “Catholics in public life not only live according to church doctrine but additionally shape the law, even to include the threat of criminal prosecution and punishment, to enshrine church doctrine on sexuality as mandatory for all Americans is contrary to our basic liberty,” he declared.
“Why would government require that Catholic sexuality doctrine, or Sharia law, or Orthodox Jewish rules about Sabbath observance, be followed by all?” he asked.
Following on the same assumption — that abortion has nothing to do with defending human life — Kaine went on to declare that “a decision by U.S. bishops to elevate issues of human sexuality, however important, above all others seems contrary to the Gospel.”
“No reading of the life of Jesus would suggest these issues as his primary, or even secondary, concern,” he states. “His towering message is about love of neighbor as oneself with a special focus on the poor, sick, hungry, marginalized.”…
Johnny B says
If he ever read the Bible, I would advise him to read it again. He clearly doesn’t understand it. As to Sharia – no, good examples of Sharia would be a Muslim man getting a reduced sentence for killing a wife or to be acquitted for killing a Jew. That’s Sharia..
mortimer says
Read the Fifth Commandment … carved in stone by the finger of God.
Kaine disagrees with the Almighty.
william says
Mortimer.
i disagree with the so called ‘almighty’ also, though it is difficult to disagree with a fictional being, created by ignorant men
william says
Mortimer seriously? Carved in stone by the finger of God
You really need to grow up I suppose you still believe in Father Christmas too
mortimer says
It’s not about you, William. It’s about the church’s teaching and authority over its own members. You are free to consider yourself infallible as long as it doesn’t hurt others.
Kaine doesn’t accept the authority of his church and compares it to Sharia.
You obviously cannot look at an issue on its own terms. Everything is about your world view.
Canon law is for RC’s only, unlike Sharia law which applies to everyone. You don’t get it, do you?
Johnny B says
William, nobody here is forcing you to become Christian. If Islam ever becomes the dominant religion in your country it may be a whole other story. True there have been Christians living in so-called Muslim Arab countries for centuries. Actually, the Christians can often trace their roots further back than the Arabs in those countries for instance the Copts in Egypt. Most people don’t know it but Islam colonized most of the Middle East and North Africa shortly after Muhammad died some 1400 years ago. Today there are hardly any Christians left in many of those places.
Christians have always been persecuted and the Soviet Union was no exception. The Communists also thought they had reached the epitome of human evolution or something like that and were particularly hostile towards Christians. I hope they taught you in school what happened to the Soviet Union and what a terrible place it was. Human beings without God are naturally corrupt and incapable of doing anything good really. It always ends up in some uncivilized mess that is not going to be good for anybody. Don’t flatter yourself for your unbelief. Why are you guys so afraid of Christianity, is it because deep down you know it’s the truth but don’t want to commit to it?
Eric Robert Rachut says
You doubt that the universe was created, William? Seriously? Well, then how was the Big Bang initiated? By the flatus of another ignorant man?
Jim says
As I see it, restrictions on abortion are part of the universal right to life. Sharia law is not about universal rights of man, it imposes restrictions implying the unequal rights of human beings. It includes things like the right of men to beat their wives. Marriage of adult men with children, the right to kill non-believers, the right to discriminate against non-Muslims, the right to kill non-believers, FGM, unequal rights of women against men. Etc, etc. These all seem like rules that one would not universalize to all mankind. They do not include a golden rule. So, in short anti-abortion rules are not specifically Catholic, but rather universal rules to protect human life. Sharia laws are specifically part of Islam, are not universalize and do not promote equality or equity.
mortimer says
The right to life is in the US constitution … man’s law … and the Framers of the constitution were not in favor of abortion.
william says
Mortimer of course not neither were they in favour of a population armed with weapons including military grade weapons going around shooting each other
mortimer says
OK, William … I see you are a member of the Red Guard and a revolutionary armed with your own ‘infallible’ ideology. There are lots of uninformed, unread Stalinists like you today
Stalinism and Maoism were tried already and then rejected. I don’t expect you to read about them. Too much effort.
william says
As I have said many times and will say it until my dying breath. The male’s involvement in procreation last a few minutes or often less. If men had to carry the unborn for nine months, enduring all the discomfort that entails, the morning sickness, the flatulence, the pain of labour
the distortion of the figure. There would be no arguments about abortion.
mortimer says
It isn’t about you. Sharia law is about you. Learn something.
E T says
Bullshit
Donovan Nuera says
Why are so many women pro-life then?
gravenimage says
Excellent question, Donovan.
The implication that akl women want to abort all of their babies is not borne out at all.
revereridesagain says
Women are complete HUMANS with the right to determine the course of our lives — not an Imaginary Being in the Sky — and to control our own bodies, whether Believers in the supernatural like it or not. And we will continue to do so, as we did at the threat to those lives in back alleys, no matter what you Believers try to do to us.
So, boys, tell me which of your mothers, sisters, lovers, wives, daughters would you hate and condemn to be cast into hell by the Loving Lord Jesus for that?
gravenimage says
revereridesagain, whatever your views on abortion, this from Tim Kaine is just nuts. Traditional Catholics are not flogging or stoning those who are “pro-choice”–just voicing their opposition to this policy.
CogitoErgoSum says
If it were up to me I would not send anyone to Hell (at least not for eternity) but it’s not up to me to decide. I would not kill anyone for adultery, blasphemy or homosexuality either and lucky for me my religion does not encourage me to do any kind of killing at all. It encourages me to value life as a gift from God and I wholeheartedly agree – because I believe that is what the Loving Lord Jesus would want of me. Believe it or not.
mortimer says
Kaine has chosen to be excommunicated from his church. That is his choice, since the rule is clear. Kaine doesn’t make the rules about eligibility for the sacraments.
The church’s sacraments are a privilege, not a right. Kaine knows better than the bishops and Magisterium of his church or so he thinks.
HEIDI says
No one GAS what you do with your body, abortion isn’t ‘sexuality’, killing an innocent child is a sin, murder is a crime, and it isn’t any of US condemning you to hell for murdering innocent life and being unrepentant about it, you’ll have to take that one up in front of God.
mortimer says
Sharia law is very restrictive about abortion as well.
gravenimage says
Many believe that Islam is anti-abortion, but this is rarely the case.
PRCS says
+1 revereridesagain
U.S. law–which applies to each of us–takes precedence over those religious laws that collide with it.
As a politician, a lawmaker, his obligation is to U.S. law and he needs to make a decision.
RegT says
revere, you display your ignorance here. An unborn baby is not part of your body. It has its own unique DNA, easily distinguishable fro m yours or whatever person inserts his sperm into you.
I am an agnostic, but it is obvious even to me that killing a baby for your own convenience is still murder. Planned murder, since it doesn’t happen in the “heat of the moment”, and certainly not in self-defense – except in the case of an ectopic pregnancy, where the developing baby will die nonetheless, and the mother’s life is _truly_ at risk. It is the only justifiable killing of a baby – until such time as someone comes up with a way to transfer the baby to the uterus of the mother or a surrogate.
So, little girl, does that clear it up for you?
PRCS says
Murder is defined by law.
Not by your opinion.
RegT says
PRCS,
Morality, ethics, are not defined by “law”. Like our individual rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit (not guarantee) of happiness, they exist before and beyond the “law”, which differs depending on where you live.
If you don’t already live there, go to a muslim-dominated country, and see what you think of “law”, as you sister or wife is violated by a group of muslm men in the street, and you are killed trying to defend her. Then come back and tell me their “law” is OK by you.
PRCS says
You were specifically addressing murder,
Remember?
Stay Away From Islam says
Shitstain Kaine is no Catholic. Abortion is a absolute evil. There is no negotiation on its merits. It is a mortal sin. He should be excommunicated if he already isn’t. As with all Democrat Marxist Communists their true religion is their Marxist ideology and not their faith. He is disgusting.
Infidel says
Actually, I wonder whether Pope Francis is yet where Biden and Kaine are when it comes to abortion? That’s the one thing yet left for the Pope to betray
On a different note, does Kaine really believe that shariah law is only applicable to muslims?
mortimer says
Biden has excommunicated himself by standing for unlimited abortion. The church’s rule is clear. The US bishops are reluctant to enforce their own rules, but that is a difficult part of their job. Biden can’t make up his own rules … the RCC has bishops, theologians and the pope to make the rules.
Donovan Nuera says
Too bad defrocked perv McCarrick and his successor Cardinal archbishop George of Washington DC purposely mischaracterized then Cardinal Ratzinger’s official missive from the Vatican… and Pope Benny did not follow up on (although he put McCarrick in the doghouse). But then Pope Facebook let McCarrick out long enough to appoint Hahvahd grad Bishop McElroy to San Diego diocese who also thinks abortion is not a big deal and is only concerned about environmental activism.
gravenimage says
Tim Kaine compares the Catholic Church’s teaching on abortion to Sharia
………………….
Absolute moral insanity.
mortimer says
He’s a smug, hysterical fool. Kaine is not above the church’s authority. The church’s rules are above Kaine.
Kaine thinks he is infallible.
RegT says
gravenimage,
I’m sure you already understand this, but for those who may have missed it, the Left intends to completely do away with morality. It is one of the major goals of Marxism and other purveyors of filth. Destruction of the Judeo-Christian moral code (which code I personally subscribe to even as an agnostic) is instituted so that Marxists can freely enjoy their pedophilia, bestiality, and other perversions. I’m guessing that is why so many of them – take Brennan, for example – convert to (or at least support) islam.
Whoever “mohammed” was in reality (an individual or a group), he was clever enough to base islam on his own desired sexual perversions. Not simply for his own enjoyment, but because he needed to draw large numbers of “men” (desert brigands and other scum, not _real_ men) to his cause. What better way to attract filth than by telling them that their moon god, allah, supported sodomising children, sex with animals, male-on-male sex (as long as it is _only_ sex, with no love involved), and so many other perversions. Here is another quote from Iran’s former supreme religious leader in his book on rules of conduct for muslims:
“If a man sodomises the son, brother, or father of his wife after their
marriage, the marriage remains valid.” Along with this:
“A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and
so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm.
He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but
selling the meat to a neighboring village is reasonable.” [Screw those folks in a different village, right?]
gravenimage says
Good post, Reg.
Albert from Cannuckistan says
I am not the most prolific “Bible Thumper” but do recal Jesus allegedly preaching to some people : “Therefore know, that anyone who does harm to one of these little ones, that it would be better a millstone be tied around his neck, and he is thrown into the sea.”
mortimer says
It takes a high degree of sophistry to oppose the Biblical teachings about the value of life. All religions value life and believe in restricting abortion.
CogitoErgoSum says
Mortimer, I don’t think you you mean to say that ALL religions value the life of EVERYONE. I can think of at least one religion that places the value of some lives at zero (or maybe even less). It also teaches its adherents that some lives have a certain value in gold and if those people don’t pay the set amount in order to live then their lives may be viewed as worthless. It’s only the laws established by men that keep some people from killing other people because of their religion – and even that doesn’t always work.
RegT says
CES,
If you are referring to islam, please be clear that it is NOT a religion. It is a cult. Just because billions of people have been fooled into calling it is a religion is no reason to fall for that lie.
Was the Jim Jones group in Guyana a religion, or was it a cult? And (with just a few exceptions) they only killed themselves. I refuse to recognize a death cult such as islam as a religion, even if there are some muslims in the world who only practice “islam-light” – which is apostasy, blasphemy to any true follower of islam.
I understand it seems to be acceptable to most people to attempt to justify islam as a religion, but I wish folks would stop doing that, even if it is politically correct. muslims have had over 1400 years to grow out of their violent, perverted behavior, but their cult does not permit them to reform, to change a single command of the qur’an, or words from the hadith. So true, orthodox islam cannot change. Any muslim ignoring its commands, its tenets, is an apostate.
CogitoErgoSum says
RegT, yes, I was referring to Islam. Also, yes, I’ve heard the arguments about whether Islam should be called a religion or a cult. I’ve always considered it to be a religion and it’s confusing to me when people say it’s not. I’ve decided that Islam could be described as either and I don’t really understand the opposition to calling it a religion – unless it has something to do with the object of admiration and worship.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, your idea that all religions value life is clearly not the case with Islam.
And yes, Reg, Islam is a religion by every definition. It is just an *evil* religion.
RegT says
So, the group that kiled each other and themselves was a religion? Scientology is a religion? If I were to believe it was my duty to go out and kill all gays, lesbians, and transgenders because my “god” commanded me to do so, it would still qualify as a religion? Is there a minimum number of believers required in order to call it a religion?
Yes, Catholicism was once an evil religion, during the Inquisition and other periods of its existence, and even now when pederasty has been such an epidemic within the church, allowed to exist with little done to stop it. But it exists to uplift human beings, it is intended to spread love, compassion in spite of its failings. Can you really allow yourself to call a cult that intends to kill or enslave anyone who does not submit to it a religion?
Definitions are like laws – they depend upon where you live, your culture, what the editors/publishers of any particular dictionary decide to accept as a definition. You are aware of how the Left has changed so many definitions these days: “diversity” no longer means _diversity_, it means “to exclude whites, white racism, and white privilege”. Does “religion” include a death cult which allows no other religion to exist a true, real religion?
If so, the definitions we each use are apparently incompatible.
PRCS says
Religion:
the belief in and worship of superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
James Lincoln says
Yes, Albert:
Matthew 18:6
Donovan Nuera says
It would be nice for Kreepy Klown Kaine to get a large round heavy package from Amazon on his doorstep one day with the return address “Jesus”….
Kepha says
Tim Kaine should openly say that his working religion is the Democratic Party Line. But at least he is honest enough to disparage both things sacred to Christians on the one hand (the humanity and dignity of the unborn child) and things sacred to Muslims (SHaria). Maybe he’s an equal opportunity scoffer.
PRCS says
A cafeteria Catholic, along with Biden, Pelosi, et al., and like so many of our friends and neighbors: seemingly ignorant about Islam.
As I recall, and if true, idi Amin–a Muslim–had one of his wives murdered and butchered for having an abortion.
gravenimage says
PRCS, I’m not sure I’d cite the vicious actions of *Idi Amin* as any sort of moral point. (Never mind that accounts of her death vary, including her having died from a botched abortion. She was his ex-wife, in any case–which doesn’t mean that he might not have killed her, of course).
PRCS says
“and things sacred to Muslims”
That wasn’t about morality.
Don’t know how you came to that conclusion.
PRCS says
“and things sacred to Muslims”
That wasn’t about morality.
Don’t know how you came to that conclusion.
CogitoErgoSum says
The Catholic bishops are not requiring everyone to follow Church law. They are just telling Catholic lawmakers (such as Tim Kaine) that voting for laws that are not in accordance with Church teachings is wrong. If Tim Kaine wants to follow Church teachings he should listen to the bishops and he should tell his voters he is going to vote in accordance with his religion. Then the voters can decide at election time if they want Tim Kaine to keep representing them. He should let the voters decide. He needs to choose whether he wants to vote as a Catholic or he should just stop pretending he’s a Catholic. However, that’s not a choice Tim Kaine wants to make. Supporting abortion gets him votes and pretending he’s a Catholic also gets him votes. He likes how that works.
mortimer says
Kaine is currently outside the church according to the rule. He’s kidding himself and pretending he doesn’t know.
The bishops don’t want to enforce their own rules, because millions would realize they are automatically excommunicated already.
Donovan Nuera says
He still thinks that he added value to the Hillary ticket by counterbalancing the prevailing views of DNC focus groups that Hillary was satanic.
Just as Senile Sniffer Joe is all okeedokie with Jesus as he thinks he and Hunter are “exactly ” like the Prodigal Son-Father combo…. despite the real prodigal son was still NOT sinning and providing kickbacks to Dad so as to allow them to have 2 or 3 choice fatted calves for dinner!
PRCS says
“If Tim Kaine wants to follow Church teachings he should listen to the bishops and he should tell his voters he is going to vote in accordance with his religion.”
Essentially, that means voting for passage of religious laws which violate U.S. law.
CogitoErgoSum says
PRCS, I don’t understand. What kind of religious laws are you talking about? Can you give me an example?
gravenimage says
PRCS, your idea that being opposed to abortion is violating the law in the United States is actually mistaken.
PRCS says
Opposition to abortion is not the issue.
Crafting laws prohibiting it, law which affect an entire nation, to comply with one’s religious beliefs is.
CogitoErgoSum says
In the United State the laws are crafted by the lawmakers elected by the people. If the people who do the voting don’t like a candidate’s views on certain matters or they don’t like the way their representative in Congress votes once in office the people can vote for someone else come election day. Also, the U.S. Constitution prohibits laws favoring any certain religion over another so there is also that. The will of the people is what is supposed to count in the U.S. – but sometimes it takes a while for the will of the people to be implemented . As for laws regulating abortion, the majority will get what they want if our legal process works as it should and as it was intended.
PRCS says
“the U.S. Constitution prohibits laws favoring any certain religion”
That’s the point.
He can either be a good Catholic or uphold his oath of office.
CogitoErgoSum says
Where in the oath of office for U.S. Senator does it say Senators have to vote FOR laws even if they are against their religion or that they have to introduce bills that contain provisions even if they violate the teachings of their religion? Where does the Constitution tell any member of the U.S. Senate how to vote? I think Senators are supposed to vote the way that the majority of their constituents want them to vote but in practice they can still vote however they see fit. Also, if a bill gets passed into law which is thought to be unconstitutional a case can be brought before the Supreme Court for a decision.
PRCS says
“the U.S. Constitution prohibits laws favoring any certain religion”
Nest.
CogitoErgoSum says
Nest? Well, you certainly got me with that one.
HEIDI says
Very telling and just demonically disgusting that he calls abortion, ‘sexuality’ as if murdering innocent life is an expression of sexuality.
Fred van de Bunt says
The basic proposition that early innocent defenceless human live needs a very high degree of prioritized protection seems right to me. And Catholics do recognize exceptional circumstances, and also develop safety nets of care within their communities for people who seem unable to care for early live.
Certain core values within society one should be very careful about non making them part of a show style demagogue political debate. This style of debating is very popular in Europe nowadays too unfortunately.
And his argument that one should be a lot more relaxed about terminating early live seems to backfire, and actually make the Senator part of the sharia boys, that are quite easy going if it comes to terminating human live.
R Russell says
The pope has told Catholics that since covid is a global emergency then they can take vaccines made form farmed foetal cells. This means they are allowed to take AstraZeneca and J&J (Jannsen) vaccines. Thus there is no dissent about these vaccines from the RC Church.
The main churches seem to be forming part of the end time apostate churches.
mortimer says
Medical ethics are not always as clear cut as you would like. Doctors actually do ‘play god’, but they do so very discretely.
gravenimage says
Actually, the Covid vaccine does not use fetal cells:
“Fact Check-Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine does not contain aborted fetal cells”
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-johnson-aborted/fact-check-johnson-johnsons-covid-19-vaccine-does-not-contain-aborted-fetal-cells-idUSL1N2LU1T9
Elizabeth Lawson says
I regret to say that the United States appears to be producing one hypocrite/ fool a minute, and the case for or against abortion presented by Tim Kaine proves it. As he very well knows – assuming that he ever really was educated as a Catholic, and at this stage there is reason to doubt that he ever was, we Catholics hold firm on the sanctity of ALL life – which includes the unborn. If Mr. Kaine takes issue with the protection of life – ANY life, the genesis of which was God’s doing, then I would suggest that he stop representing himself as a Catholic – and “try on another pair of shoes” ( religion) that he feels more comfortable wearing. Jesus Christ, our Saviour, loved and cared for all. Who could imagine HE advocating/ tolerating the wanton destruction of the unborn? Mr. Kaine, you should hang your head in shame!
OLD GUY says
Tim Kaine is fortunate that his mother didn’t ABORT him just because she didn’t want to be bothered with birthing. It hard for us to hear the aborted Childs side of this issue, but I would bet they wouldn’t agree with his position on abortion. This same clown will probably protect the life of a rapist or murder against the death sentence. Go Figure, a criminal is more protected than an innocent unborn yet CHILD.
Infidel says
Anthony Fauci led NIIAD funded horrific experiments where scalps of aborted babies were stitched to the back of lab rats
I’m now all for launching a criminal proble into him as well as the NIIAD
CogitoErgoSum says
Fauci is beginning to look more and more like a rat to me.
E T says
YES. Karry Mullis, the man who discovered the PCR test and said it should NEVER be used to diagnose a disease in a person also said Fauci is a liar, a man at the top who knows very little about real science. Anything to do with Fauci – follow the money. Too bad Karry Mullis was not still living, the COVID “pandemic” might have just been another bad flu year. In2017 400 and some odd thousand died from the flu, it was a bad flu year.
I read a line today “What the mind conceives, the body achieves”. What or who has beaten the people down -the flu or the fear promoting politicians, men like Tim Kaine, puppet for the new world order, vile man.
James Lincoln says
Just imagine if the Clinton / Kaine ticket had won in 2016…
Del says
Leaving males out of this conversation is racist. A pregnancy requires two sexes, therefore an abortion should involve those responsible. An abortion on one table must have the responsible vasectomy happening on the adjoining table. Abortion numbers would almost disappear.
E T says
The murder rate would definitely go down.
gravenimage says
This entire discussion is morally fraught. I’m not saying that the father’s concerns should not be taken into account, but the idea that not doing so is “racist” is very odd. Men do not actually constitute a different race from women.
GreekEmpress says
If Kaine wants to remain a Catholic in good standing, he needs to follow church teaching.
If he can’t do that, then he shouldn’t receive the sacraments. And the priests/bishops should not be giving them to him either.
He can’t have it both ways.
hammar says
kaine thinking has always been upside down and never level no matter what the subject. Abortion to the democrats is big business and money in the bank. Relating the Catholic Church pro-life stance against abortion to islam’s sharia law is a example of this idiots thinking. Like biden and the rest of the dnc they are incomplete denial about life of the child. They could care less but love to call anyone pro-life a terrorist.
Now you understand there upside down view. God help this country with these morons being in charge.
Vito E says
“Abortion is not about the life & death of the unborn” – what a sick thought process. Tim Kaine is a sick man! All I can say is thank God Hillary Rotten Clinton & Tim Kaine weren’t elected in 2016! Kaine is a sick man!