Nice to see an RS video again: we should have more of these more often. Kay’s still being tolerated on YouTube? Most of RS’ other hosts have fled to Rumble
Excellent question – how has the internet helped and hindered jihad? It’s been a double edged sword. While I tend to go thru books pretty quickly, I too prefer forums and Q&A formats to discuss various issues. As for the internet, it was better when it was the Wild West and what we had were Usenet and Websites: the emergence of woke companies regulating their traffic is what has been absolutely reactionary. On the search engines, I haven’t used Google in a while, but even for DDG, since they aggregate search results from other engines, I’m still exploring search engines to see what to adapt, be it Qwant, Searchpage or Ecosia (my browser is Brave).
About Christianity and its role in inspiring driving the muslims out of France, Spain and the Balkans, it’s worth adding Russia to that. Russia, after the Golden Horde turned islamic, found itself at the receiving end of their depredations, and went on to counter-attack and conquer their territory. They then overran the Sibir Khanate, and then to end the abduction of their citizens on their frontiers into slavery in the slave markets of Buqhara and Xeva, they invaded and overran Central Asia, ending centuries of Turkic depredations into Iran and India. As for the pope, he’s a ludicrous representative of Christianity, particularly in the context of self defense. Maybe he should study what Pope Urban did when he called for the Crusades
One correction to what RS said: secular Turkey was pretty authoritarian, and that’s the only reason that it managed to remain secular as long as it did: the army was dedicatedly secular. Had it been a free society, it would have gone islamic, since the population was and is muslim.
Christians in Iraq and elsewhere thinking about returning to Iraq on the basis of anything the Pope said: Don’t! It’ll be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. If you’re lucky enough to have bailed, stay out, and build your life wherever else you now live. And I don’t know how well read the pope is outside Catholic texts, but I’ll bet he’s quite the ignoramus in that department
I cracked up when she described George Orwell as some sort of prophet. At least he was more genuine a prophet than Mohammed. Not just that, 1984 has become more of a ‘How to’ book than a warning about what is likely to happen ?
Despite both their affinity for authoritarianism, I doubt that Marxism/Communism/Maoism/Stalinism would agree on Mohammed being at the top. And in a completely dystopian world where all religion is hypothetically wiped out, I don’t see islam being the winner either: the Chicoms would take them apart! Already, every muslim country has had to bend over and acquiesce w/ whatever Beijing is doing in Xinjiang
Anyway, good discussion
James Lincolnsays
Infidel,
Back in 1971, the acting club of my high school put on a play version of George Orwell’s “1984”.
That was 50 years ago, and it was wonderfully done.
Mostly students in the audience, they perceived the play as being total fantasy – and actually somewhat humorous in parts.
I know, I was in the audience and thought that it would be quite a stretch to take anything about that play too seriously.
Little did I know…
Infidelsays
James, Orwell just got the year wrong. Had he called it 2020, he’d be at least as celebrated as L. Ron Hubbard ??
mortimersays
The Corporatist-Globalist Fascist Oligarchy poses as Leftist, but that is far from the truth. The Corporatist-Globalist are fascist in the sense that Mussolini intended … namely, big corporations hide behind socialists who promote Big Money’s agenda. This evil, amoral conspiracy uses ISLAM to reduce freedom of expression so the Leftist demagogues can demand to further control speech while Big Tech does the job of censorship of defenders of freedom.
The Red-Green Axis is actually less ‘red’ than it outwardly appears. Muslims are not socialist at all.
mortimersays
Robert Spencer points out that you need to have a value system in order to want to have the freedom of speech so that you may defend your values and culture. Only Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary are defending their national cultures in Europe. The Danes are taking experimental steps in that direction, but we shall see if they follow through.
James Lincolnsays
Mortimer,
I think I would also add Slovakia to round out the Visegrad 4.
James, how are Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia in that regard? It’s hard to believe or see Serbia being soft on islam, given how they were forced to part w/ Kosovo w/o getting Srpska from Bosnia based on the same criteria of who’s the ethnic majority in any particular region
James Lincolnsays
Yes, Infidel.
Serbia, Croatia, and Slovenia are all holding their own against islam.
gravenimagesays
Yes–recognizing and defending our values is of the utmost importance.
Joeynsays
The leftist/ islamic alliance is lethal. It is affecting the whole world. I originate from an Asian Islamic country. My niece attends a well-respected college there and a day before Nov 3 2020 the college was showing all its students a video on how racist President Trump is. Even the infidels in this country believe this nonsense.
There are many nonMuslims who have suffered and died from police brutality while under their custody in this country and there are no bodycam videos and thus most of the time no action is taken against the police. Even when action is taken it will be taken against non-muslim police officers. Justice is just a dog and pony show.
Recently a non Muslim suspect (not even a criminal) died in police custody due to severe brutality and again there is no body cam video to show. The dumb non- Muslims are equating this to the George Floyd case not realiizing that George Floyd was a real rogue who caused his own death. If America falls completely to the Left and the Islamists the whole world is screwed.
Would love to see Robert Spencer doing more videos on the Leftists/Islamists alliance and if possible on Frank Speech.
gravenimagesays
Thanks for that view on the ground, Joeyn.
Muslims have really latched onto this leftist claptrap, and are running with it.
Joeynsays
Thanks Gravenimage.
Sadly, a big part of the world population has fallen for the propaganda of the Left and the Islamists and thus see America and its values in a bad light.
America and its allies should do all they can to exercise their right to free speech and continue speaking and spreading the truth to the world.
gravenimagesays
+1
Andrew Blackaddersays
I have been wondering from the start why those Of The Left and the jihadi nutters were both in bed with each other, and Robert just explained it all to me… Thanks Robert, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
Walter Sieruksays
That despicable Biden /Harris team is the epitome of the personification and embodiment of the Red/Green Alliance, with all its evil and madness.
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Infidel says
Nice to see an RS video again: we should have more of these more often. Kay’s still being tolerated on YouTube? Most of RS’ other hosts have fled to Rumble
Excellent question – how has the internet helped and hindered jihad? It’s been a double edged sword. While I tend to go thru books pretty quickly, I too prefer forums and Q&A formats to discuss various issues. As for the internet, it was better when it was the Wild West and what we had were Usenet and Websites: the emergence of woke companies regulating their traffic is what has been absolutely reactionary. On the search engines, I haven’t used Google in a while, but even for DDG, since they aggregate search results from other engines, I’m still exploring search engines to see what to adapt, be it Qwant, Searchpage or Ecosia (my browser is Brave).
About Christianity and its role in inspiring driving the muslims out of France, Spain and the Balkans, it’s worth adding Russia to that. Russia, after the Golden Horde turned islamic, found itself at the receiving end of their depredations, and went on to counter-attack and conquer their territory. They then overran the Sibir Khanate, and then to end the abduction of their citizens on their frontiers into slavery in the slave markets of Buqhara and Xeva, they invaded and overran Central Asia, ending centuries of Turkic depredations into Iran and India. As for the pope, he’s a ludicrous representative of Christianity, particularly in the context of self defense. Maybe he should study what Pope Urban did when he called for the Crusades
One correction to what RS said: secular Turkey was pretty authoritarian, and that’s the only reason that it managed to remain secular as long as it did: the army was dedicatedly secular. Had it been a free society, it would have gone islamic, since the population was and is muslim.
Christians in Iraq and elsewhere thinking about returning to Iraq on the basis of anything the Pope said: Don’t! It’ll be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. If you’re lucky enough to have bailed, stay out, and build your life wherever else you now live. And I don’t know how well read the pope is outside Catholic texts, but I’ll bet he’s quite the ignoramus in that department
I cracked up when she described George Orwell as some sort of prophet. At least he was more genuine a prophet than Mohammed. Not just that, 1984 has become more of a ‘How to’ book than a warning about what is likely to happen ?
Despite both their affinity for authoritarianism, I doubt that Marxism/Communism/Maoism/Stalinism would agree on Mohammed being at the top. And in a completely dystopian world where all religion is hypothetically wiped out, I don’t see islam being the winner either: the Chicoms would take them apart! Already, every muslim country has had to bend over and acquiesce w/ whatever Beijing is doing in Xinjiang
Anyway, good discussion
James Lincoln says
Infidel,
Back in 1971, the acting club of my high school put on a play version of George Orwell’s “1984”.
That was 50 years ago, and it was wonderfully done.
Mostly students in the audience, they perceived the play as being total fantasy – and actually somewhat humorous in parts.
I know, I was in the audience and thought that it would be quite a stretch to take anything about that play too seriously.
Little did I know…
Infidel says
James, Orwell just got the year wrong. Had he called it 2020, he’d be at least as celebrated as L. Ron Hubbard ??
mortimer says
The Corporatist-Globalist Fascist Oligarchy poses as Leftist, but that is far from the truth. The Corporatist-Globalist are fascist in the sense that Mussolini intended … namely, big corporations hide behind socialists who promote Big Money’s agenda. This evil, amoral conspiracy uses ISLAM to reduce freedom of expression so the Leftist demagogues can demand to further control speech while Big Tech does the job of censorship of defenders of freedom.
The Red-Green Axis is actually less ‘red’ than it outwardly appears. Muslims are not socialist at all.
mortimer says
Robert Spencer points out that you need to have a value system in order to want to have the freedom of speech so that you may defend your values and culture. Only Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary are defending their national cultures in Europe. The Danes are taking experimental steps in that direction, but we shall see if they follow through.
James Lincoln says
Mortimer,
I think I would also add Slovakia to round out the Visegrad 4.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-slovakia-religion-islam-idUSKBN13P20C
Infidel says
James, how are Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia in that regard? It’s hard to believe or see Serbia being soft on islam, given how they were forced to part w/ Kosovo w/o getting Srpska from Bosnia based on the same criteria of who’s the ethnic majority in any particular region
James Lincoln says
Yes, Infidel.
Serbia, Croatia, and Slovenia are all holding their own against islam.
gravenimage says
Yes–recognizing and defending our values is of the utmost importance.
Joeyn says
The leftist/ islamic alliance is lethal. It is affecting the whole world. I originate from an Asian Islamic country. My niece attends a well-respected college there and a day before Nov 3 2020 the college was showing all its students a video on how racist President Trump is. Even the infidels in this country believe this nonsense.
There are many nonMuslims who have suffered and died from police brutality while under their custody in this country and there are no bodycam videos and thus most of the time no action is taken against the police. Even when action is taken it will be taken against non-muslim police officers. Justice is just a dog and pony show.
Recently a non Muslim suspect (not even a criminal) died in police custody due to severe brutality and again there is no body cam video to show. The dumb non- Muslims are equating this to the George Floyd case not realiizing that George Floyd was a real rogue who caused his own death. If America falls completely to the Left and the Islamists the whole world is screwed.
Would love to see Robert Spencer doing more videos on the Leftists/Islamists alliance and if possible on Frank Speech.
gravenimage says
Thanks for that view on the ground, Joeyn.
Muslims have really latched onto this leftist claptrap, and are running with it.
Joeyn says
Thanks Gravenimage.
Sadly, a big part of the world population has fallen for the propaganda of the Left and the Islamists and thus see America and its values in a bad light.
America and its allies should do all they can to exercise their right to free speech and continue speaking and spreading the truth to the world.
gravenimage says
+1
Andrew Blackadder says
I have been wondering from the start why those Of The Left and the jihadi nutters were both in bed with each other, and Robert just explained it all to me… Thanks Robert, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
Walter Sieruk says
That despicable Biden /Harris team is the epitome of the personification and embodiment of the Red/Green Alliance, with all its evil and madness.