The disruptive and sometimes violent pro-Palestinian protests across the EU have led to a French government ban on pro-Palestinian rallies.
The passionate calls for the obliteration of Israel at these demonstrations are appalling and have no place in Western countries. Western countries have tolerated the absurd, from protestors blocking railway tracks and roadways to outright violence, including stone- and bottle-throwing.
Note the propaganda in the article below against this ban. Any policy that does not advance the Islamic supremacist cause, including the jihad against Israel, is labeled “Islamophobic” or “far right.” A Muslim activist, Yasser Louati, head of the Justice and Liberties For All Committee in France, predictably called the “decision to ban pro-Palestine protests in Paris is a ‘continuation of the racist policies of France.'” To think that people still fall for this overused trick, which is intended to aid the spread of the jihad globally, using the Palestinians as a rallying point.
Meanwhile, this much-needed restriction has already failed:
In Paris, police used tear gas and water cannon to disperse a pro-Palestinian rally held despite a ban by authorities, who feared a flare-up of anti-Semitic violence during the worst fighting between Israel and Hamas in years.
“France implements ‘far-right agenda’ to silence its Muslims on Palestine,” by Elis Gjevori, TRT World, May 27, 2021:
As Macron’s right-wing government is outflanked by the far-right, a bidding war is underway on who will crack down on Muslims more, say activists.
Protests in France are rarely, if ever, peaceful affairs. Unruly and chaotic, they are typically on-brand for a country where rulers have been beheaded and bouts of working-class insurrections demanding social change are a regular occurrence.
When pro-Palestinian marchers tried to organise protests against Israel’s bombardment of Gaza civilians and support the people of Sheikh Jarrah, who were being forced off their land to make way for Jewish settlers – the French state quickly moved to ban the marches.
The government of French President Emmanuel Macron cited “a serious disturbance of public order” and that the protests could harm “Israeli interests.” Organisers of the pro-Palestinian demonstrators condemned the attempt to stifle their rights as “politically motivated.”
For French Muslims, however, it also revealed an uncomfortable and increasingly oppressive reality.
“France is the only democracy in the world where protests supporting Palestine are forbidden,” says Elias d’Imzalene, a human rights defender speaking to TRT World.
But such actions follow a pattern in which Macron’s government has attempted to stifle Muslim voices in the country.
Earlier this year, Macron pushed for a “Charter of Imams,” a set of principles that would define an Islam of France, which amongst other things would regulate what Muslims could speak about in mosques.
“Imams and mosques have to sign the Charter of Imams, written by the French government,” says d’Imzalene adding that failure to do so could result in their mosques being shut down and worshippers left without a place of worship.
The Charter stops Muslims in mosques from discussing Islamophobia or international issues which the French government sees as a sign of extremism.
The aim of such measures is to create a “state of exception against Muslims living in France by limiting their civil and political rights, and the right to express their religion,” warns d’Imzalene.
For Muslims in France watching their political leaders back Israel in its bombardment of Gaza, which left more than 250 civilians dead, including 66 children, it was a galling double standard.
France’s right-wing Interior Minister told local authorities and security forces to take all necessary measures to stop pro-Palestinian marches from happening.
At the same time, French politicians were busy supporting Israel, but at home they are demanding Muslims in mosques neither talk about foreign policy issues nor protest about it.
The Charter of Imams, which has been “massively rejected by Muslims”, is one of the critical pillars of a broader attempt at silencing Muslims, says Marwan Muhammad, a high profile anti-racism activist in the country.
Macron’s government has attacked Muhammad for challenging it on its anti-Muslim policies, but he remains outspoken.
“The idea here is to politically silence Muslim leaders in order to control Muslim opinion,” says Muhammad speaking to TRT World.
“Meanwhile, the government itself and other groups do not hesitate to side with the oppressors of these minorities by supporting them politically or selling them weapons. This double stance only applies to Muslims,” added Muhammad.
As millions of people worldwide marched peacefully in solidarity with Palestinians in France, police aimed their water cannons and tear gas at largely peaceful protestors they had banned.
“This is the French paradox,” says Muhammad adding that the restriction is not only for Muslims, but any “person speaking up today to support Palestine is targeted.”
As Macron has seen his poll ratings plummet and military officers threaten the government with “civil war” if it doesn’t deal with Muslims, banning pro-Palestinian protests has also been a signal to the far-right that his government is willing to clamp down on the “hordes” a term used by officers…..
mortimer says
The fiery THREATS against all Jews are a threat against Western democracies that support the state of Israel.
Frank Anderson says
mortimer, what about the individuals who dare to support Israel regardless of whether a state does or not?
mgoldberg says
They don’t burn down neighborhoods, nor beat up people on the street for being arabs or muslims. Or doesn’t that resonate with you?
Frank Anderson says
m.g., do you miss the fact that I support the state of Israel? I don’t care what this current administration does to empower the enemies of Israel; I support Israel. How about you?
mortimer says
We are getting beat up by the Pallies in my city whenever we protest their bigoted slanders and attacks on Jews… both Jews and Gentiles. A few pro-Israel protesters were beaten by Pallies last week.
Frank Anderson says
mortimer, I suggest that posters and demonstrations are not going to change minds or otherwise accomplish results except to get you beat up or arrested. What can WE do to help? I suggest we send what we can afford reasonably to fund Israel’s recovery from this terror attack. The more external money available for relief and reconstruction, the more internal money Israel has to replenish its supply of weapons to stop the next attack, which you and I both know is coming. I have followed that plan once and hope to follow it again soon. Please consider.
Lavéritétriomphera says
I support French government that does not want French Jews to be associated with the israelis. French Jews are French citizens, their is absolutely no doubt about that.
That is the reason why these pro-Palestinian protests have been ban because of antisemitic remarks uttered by some protestors during public demonstrations.
The right to protest doesn’t permit one to break the law of the republic,
Infidel says
The era of peaceful protests against Leftists or jihadists is over, at least for now. If one must protest publicly, as opposed to online forums such as this, one should go armed. Not b’cos one doesn’t believe in MLK or the concept of peaceful protests, but b’cos those who they are protesting and who disagree w/ them are thugs
This is not a call to violence: it’s a call to act sensibly based on the situation. Today, as far as street protests go, major Western cities ain’t much different from Gaza or Ramallah
gravenimage says
Actually, Infidel, I think that *more* people should demonstrate against Jihad. Right now, too many good people are silent.
Frank Anderson says
Friend Kevin, your statement regarding the French government’s desire to separate and isolate French Jews from Israel reflects a really serious lack of exposure and understanding of Judaism. I wish you would spend some time in the Jewish community to see how inappropriate is that governmental goal, bordering on the totally absurd and insulting.
Right now, given the ongoing French governmental surrender of the country to islamic conquest, Jews should be seeing the message, just as they should have seen Hitler’s message: Jews aren’t welcome here and should get out while they can. About half of Germany’s Jews got the message and tried to escape; but the other half did not. Will that lesson be lost today in France? Israel is the one place a Jew is always welcome.
I hope you will consider spending some serious time, not just a short visit for a service or 2, with the Jewish community, Orthodox, Conservative and Reform to learn more about the double loyalty, to home country and Israel, that should be respected.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Friend Frank,
You can’t compare the French Jewish community with the American one, and please don’t compare today’s France to pre-war Germany.
Keep up apparences.
There has long been a Jewish presence in France (which was formally the largest part of Gaul). The Jewish presence in this country probably goes back to the first century, and against all odds the French Jews survived, this commitment will continue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_France.
Some are returning “Yerida” to France after Aaliyah https://www.exexpat-lepodcast.com/episodes/2018/8/13/episode-9-le-retour-en-france-aprs-lalya.
French hate the heinous totalitarian systems. They are suspicious of bigotry and religious leaders “What is this one saying ? …”
We cannot run from the beast forever, it will be defeated.
During WW2, as far as I know many of French, Jews joined the resistance and Free French under General Charles De Gaulle.
Peace upon you and America
Bon courage amis américains
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, please take it from more than 20 years of direct personal observation. Most Jews can be fiercely loyal to their present country and to Israel. Forcing a choice is a foolish step.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Frank
“Forcing a choice is a foolish step.”
(?)
In France everybody is free to emigrate beside those who have been barred from leaving the country.
Amitiés
Frank Anderson says
Kevin, your statement implies most directly that Jews who live in France must abandon Israel or leave France. And so does your most recent response. “France or leave!” I would leave. So much for liberty.
What about muslims? “France or ummah?” “France or leave?” This is exactly the kind of forced unified identity Hitler created in Germany: “If you are not Aryan, you do not belong here.”. If islam is accepted in France in spite of its goals of destruction and conquest, why are not Jews and Judaism? France is too dangerous for free people to risk. Look what happened to the wrong people in Germany. It is happening again.
Infidel says
Frank
While I get your point, I do get Lavéritétriomphera’s point as well. If Jews are allowed to have dual loyalty to both France and Israel, then on what grounds does one say that muslims can’t have a dual loyalty to France and the ummah, or France and Turkey, or France and Morocco, and so on?
Yeah, Jews don’t typically try to subvert their home countries to the benefit of Israel, but once you set the template that they can have dual loyalties, what is the basis for demanding that other people who immigrate to a country can’t have split loyalties as well?
Frank Anderson says
I, if you take the time to understand islam, they have NO loyalty to any country. Their sole loyalty, regardless of their location is the ummah. Their sole duty is the spread islam by any available means including violence. Compare that to Judaism and Christianity which spread their word by example, sharing and persuasion. “MY way or the highway” is no way for liberty to triumph anywhere.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Hy my friend Frank,
Judaism is a religion in France not a race, and the law guarantees freedom of conscience. French citizens are free to take political decisions as long they obey the current laws.
During a demonstration against islamophobia, I was stunned by a veiled woman carrying a placard that said: “French Muslim and veiled, if I disturb you I encourage you to leave my country”. As the name suggested the demonstration was directed to the “islamophobes” of all kinds https://www.valeursactuelles.com/assets/uploads/2019/10/SIPA_00928813_000005.
You understand now the situation in France … and in the West.
We need the support of everyone (never mind their convictions) capable of opposing those who want to destroy freedom of expression and so on …
The danger is worldwide.
Bien à toi
Lavéritétriomphera says
@Infidel, Frank,
Bonsoir,
For 200 years Jews prayed for the republic.
Every Saturday morning, a prayer is said in all the synagogues of France, for the Republic.
As far I am concern and after what my father told me, there is no doubt Jews have their rightful place in their homeland, France. French government is right: there is no place for antisemitism in the country of human rights.
Bien à vous
Frank Anderson says
Kevin I wish what you say to be true. I have a problem believing it. If true, why was it so easy for French collaborators to expose, hand over and deport Jews during the WWII occupation; and why is France now WELCOMING tens, hundreds, even thousands of thousands of muslims who hate all Jews and proclaim their intention to kill them today, not to mention Christians? The words say one thing while the actions speak an entirely different message. Some Jews have no use or commitment to Israel. But to tell all Jews in France either abandon Israel or leave France causes me a problem. And I am not accepted as part of the local Jewish community. Israel is an important part of every Jewish community worldwide.
Infidel says
Frank, Muslims do have loyalties to their own countries if they happen to be muslim countries. Like muslims in Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, et al have no issues being loyal to their countries as well as to the ummah. It’s only when their countries happen to be non-muslim, such as France, Israel, India, et al that their loyalty is solely to the ummah
Frank Anderson says
I., distinction noted. The problem I see is that each individual muslim is a self authorized vigilante to do what is best for the ummah as he sees it. If the muslim country disagrees with his view, his view justifies any action he finds appropriate. The muslim brotherhood hardly agrees with and supports the current Egyptian government. Am I missing something?
gravenimage says
French Jews are good citizens, and have been for centuries–they are not attacking Gentile French people as Muslims are attacking Infidels.
The idea that if any of them support civilized Israel–an *ally* of France’s–that they have “dual loyalties” that are no different than Muslims’ wanting to destroy France and impose brutal Shari’ah law is *really* odd.
Then, I support Israel (although I am Gentile)–I also support France, and Britain, and Canada, and other civlized nations–this in no way indicates that I have dual loyalties that mean I cannot be a patriotic American.
Lavéritétriomphera says
Hy Frank,
“ If true, why was it so easy for French collaborators to expose, hand over and deport Jews during the WWII occupation”.
It is absolutely false.
The Vichy government wasn’t supported by the population. On the eve, many gendarmes in charge of arresting Jews came to warn them so that they could hide themselves or leave.
” and why is France now WELCOMING tens, hundreds, even thousands of thousands of muslims who hate all Jews and proclaim their intention to kill them today, not to mention Christians?”
We had no choice, this Muslim emigration is a consequence of the colonization. It’s backlash.
However we didn’t forced them to convert to Christianity during our presence in North Africa. The Kabyles (Berbers) say that after the Muslim conquest, nothing constructive has been done by the Arabs and the Turcs in Numidia. That seems to be not only in North Africa, India was also affected https://soc.culture.indian.narkive.com/tcIcI8I0/islam-organized-crime-against-humanity .
The only people who advanced civilization in Numidia were the romans and the French (Kabyle said).
All Muslims don’t hate Jews, I know Jewish doctors personally who treat Muslims all day long, but antisemitism is taken very seriously by the government. This needs to be dealt urgently.
Bien à toi
gravenimage says
Sadly, Muslims do hate Jews if they take their faith seriously.
Frank Anderson says
mortimer, what about the individuals who dare to support Israel regardless of whether a state does or not?
mortimer says
We carry posters, have our say, and we are ignored by the media, because we are so peaceful. Then we disperse and go home.
Infidel says
Frank, hats off to them. But how are they relevant, if their countries support Hamas even though they support Israel?
Frank Anderson says
I, I may have heard a myth; BUT, it could be true that one or more of Israel’s wars was paid for by non-governmental gifts from outside the country. While the US is giving hundreds of millions to Hamas, individuals can give to Israel. There are more Jews who live in the US than in Israel, and more that live in other countries who can send a few dollars to add up to the billions Israel needs. And there are a lot more non-Jews who support Israel.
It was said in the 2008 US campaign that BHO refused “public financing” which McCain did not, because BHO knew he could raise far more. According to Hannity, BHO raised approximately 800 million dollars, about 250 million came in untraceable 25 dollar contributions from Rafah, GA, (Pretty sure that is GAZA and NOT Georgia, making those untraceable contributions illegal). It worked then; why not now?
I and a number of others who are not an official part of the Jewish community have helped. Drops of rain can fill rivers. There is no more effective way to poke a tyrant in the eye than to support his enemy. Israel is not the tyrant.
gravenimage says
I think we should make our voices heard as much as possible, whatever the policies of our current governments.
PRCS says
When will ‘they’ ever get it: Islam, a totalitarian theocracy, IS “far right.”
There’s not a ‘leftist’ thought in its texts.
mortimer says
Islam took Lenin as their strategic ally at the start of the Soviet dictatorship. Then Stalin arrested the Muslims, sent them to Siberia and he closed all mosques but one in Moscow to show to naïve foreign journalists.
Keith O says
Mortimer, I have to admire Stalin’s MO. He was brilliant at dealing with a threat and at the same time appearing to be Mr.Nice. all the while being a complete nut job.
eduardo odraude says
Yes. And a murderer of millions of people, a man in that sense on a par with Hitler and Mao.
gravenimage says
Too true, Eduardo. I wouldn’t take Stalin as a general model any more than I would Hitler.
Infidel says
So there was that, and then there was Khomenei, who imprisoned the Tudeh party. That’s the only use that non-muslims are to Communists: if there is a country that has both Communists and jihadists, then the Communist chances of winning are better if a majority of the population is non-muslim. That’s what Stalin demonstrated
Also, repugnant as he was, one thing that he did that I laud him for – deporting the Crimean Tatars to Uzbekistan. Today, they have no legal basis to claim that Crimea is theirs. How I wish Russia would accord Israel the same rights on Judea and Samaria as Moscow has taken on the Crimea
James Lincoln says
Infidel says,
“…So there was that, and then there was Khomenei, who imprisoned the Tudeh party.”
True.
And some were eventually executed as “political prisoners…”
gravenimage says
Not just some, James–almost all of them. The Mullahs savagely liquidated the Tudeh Party–their former allies. I have no love of Communism, as you well know–but the brutality of Iran’s treatement of these people was an atrocity.
James Lincoln says
Yes, you are being more precise than I, gravenimage.
I believe that some members of the Tudeh party were spared if they could prove that they were very devout muslims.
But yes, almost all were killed…
Infidel says
If you take the terms ‘Communism’, ‘Communist Manifesto’, ‘Das Kapital’ and others and replace it w/ ‘islam’, ‘quran’, ‘sunnah’, then you’ll get quite a replacement. If Communism aspires for the supremacy of the communist state, islam aspires for the supremacy of the islamic caliphate. Communism advocates world revolution, islam advocates jihad until ‘all religion is for allah’. In other words, Communism campaigns to make the whole world communist, while islam campaigns to make the whole world islamic. Oh, and both are globalist ideologies, which is why muslims of any country are expected to have trans-national loyalties to the ummah
Neither ideology devolves power to the individual. Only difference b/w them is that Communism is formally atheistic and is happy to make science a part of its doctrine, while islam prefers a whole bunch of cultic practices
No, if any entity is islam, that automatically precludes it from being on the right
gravenimage says
Islam, Communism, and Fascism are all totalitarian creeds.
Infidel says
+10
Infidel says
Describing Macron’s government as right wing is ridiculous: at best, it’s Centrist. If one wants to equate it to foreign parties, it would be like the Tories in the UK, or the Bush/McCain/Romney GOP in the US
Anyway, congratulations to Macron for such a ban. Not that French people should prefer him over Marine Le Pen
eduardo odraude says
The fact that Macron — wasn’t he a socialist? — would do this suggests how dire the situation in France is. I mean, Even Macron is clamping down…
And the situation is pretty dire — just tally up the slaughter that has taken place in France in various venues over the last ten years, the incredibly brutal violence jihadists have inflicted on France — for example that truck that killed many dozens of people — or the slaughter in that night club — or the murder of Jewish children, for example the chasing down of a little girl and shooting her in the head — or the slaughter at Charlie Hebdo.
France, compared to how it was 20 years ago, is a national security state. If the French have sometimes been thought somewhat soft with the refinements of life, the situation developing in recent years is slowly and inexorably going to toughen more and more of them up, by sheer necessity.
One wonders how France, if the Muslim population keeps growing, can avoid either civil war or an authoritarian state.
Infidel says
I had no idea that he was a socialist, since he ran as a part of a Centrist Coalition – En Marche. But either which way, he’s either Left or Center – probably Center-Left. Certainly not Right wing under any stretch of imagination. Yeah, he did do business-friendly reforms when he was economy minister, but the world’s business leaders of today have more in common w/ the Left, since they favor a globalist world order w/ national boundaries removed. That doesn’t have much resonance on the Right, which is why most companies have gone woke
James Lincoln says
Infidel says,
“…the world’s business leaders of today have more in common w/ the Left..”
Not sure of the actual percentage breakdown of, say, companies in the S&P 500, but we sure know about the “woke” ones (Woke Coke, Delta, etc.).
Perhaps a lot of the companies are “internally woke” but hesitate to make public statements…
gravenimage says
Agreed–the idea that Macron is “right wing” is ridiculous–and yes, he was a member of the Socialist Party for several years until 2009. More proof that anyone who is even vaguely Anti-Jihadist is branded “right wing”, no matter their actual political stance.
James Lincoln says
gravenimage,
Prior to the 2020 US Presidential Election, I had a pleasant conversation with my brother, a JFK-type liberal.
He wanted to know if I thought that Pres. Trump was “Far-Right.”
I told him that the Democrat Party has moved so Far Left, that candidates previously seen as “Centrist” now appear to be “Far Right”. I even mentioned that JFK himself, in today’s crazy world, would be running as a Republican.
He did acknowledge this to be true, not sure who he ultimately voted for…
gravenimage says
Thanks for that account, James. By the way, President Trump was actually quite liberal on a number of issues, as I’m sure you’d acknowledge. The idea that he is to the right of Hitler is just ludicrous.
John says
You gotta love TRT Turkish State Media ‘news’. Crybaby Muslims always the victims. Muslims believe forced off land they stole. If France is so mean to Akbars then leave.
Keith O says
France has taken another small step towards dealing with the threat that Islam poses to it’s security and way of life.
What is now required is for other nations to grow a set of balls and implement similar laws. Starting with a burka ban.
eduardo odraude says
Over the last few years France, in order to defend itself, has increasingly been forced into the authoritarian mold that a large population of Muslims tends to make unavoidable. Look at most of the Muslim nations — they are authoritarian, which is no accident, and is based on the core texts of Islam, which contain a largely authoritarian or totalitarian program. Most Muslims may know little about it and many even imagine that Islam is harmless and wonderful — fables they have been told since they were young — but the Islamic teachers and imams who know the core Islamic texts know very well about Islam’s violent, often stealthy, authoritarian program, and inculcate that program and those values via continual reinforcement of the many authoritarian teachings in the core Islamic texts (Qur’an, Hadith, Sira). The more the Muslim population grows in the West, the more the West seems likely to find itself compromising basic civil and political rights for the sake of security, as that security is increasingly undermined. The growing Muslim population brings with it a growing contingent of jihadists and jihadist-sympathizers, the vanguard of the Islamic movement, who foment jihad, the purpose of which is to establish, first, an increasingly Islamic ethos, and eventually, formal Islamic law.
Interestingly, some of the most well known Islam-critics, such as David Wood, think Islam is now rapidly dying from exposure to the light of internet criticism. Wood says he has started to think that Big Tech may be a greater danger to freedom than a waning, dying Islam. He sees countless former Muslims commenting on how they left Islam due to Islam-critical videos and so on that unveil the core Islamic texts, their brutality, perversity, and hatred.
Infidel says
I noticed the Council of Europe reading Austria the riot act for creating an ‘islam in Austria’ map. Will they dare do the same to France for this move?
It’s high time all those European institutions get disbanded
gravenimage says
France bans pro-Palestinian protests for ‘serious disturbance of public order’
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Surprised to see this. Things must have gotten really bad with Muslim rioting in France.
Andrew Blackadder says
muslims in France will start screaming about their free speech but once islam takes over France there will be no such thing as free speech.
These ragheads sure know how to play our game against us, and so many of the Far Left just fall in line by defending a religious people that will throw them off the rooftop, right after the Gays.
Strange days indeed.