My latest in PJ Media:
The Turkish DNA Project, an online endeavor to track Turkish genetics, is enraged at the popular genealogy site Ancestry.com and has called for it to be boycotted for stating an inconvenient truth: many, and possibly most, modern Turks are the descendants of the Greeks who once formed the overwhelming majority of the population of the land that is now Turkey. In this as in so many other instances, the truth hurts, but that doesn’t make it any less the truth.
Greek City Times reported that the Turkish DNA Project tweeted: “AncestryDNA prioritizes to demonize the Turkish people and delegitimaze [sic] their presence in Turkey rather than giving information about the genetic structure of the relevant population.” The Turkish DNA Project called upon “all Turks to boycott this company: Ancestry.”
After Greek City Times called attention to the tweet, the Turkish DNA Project took it down, but it still has up a retweet calling for a boycott of Ancestry.com, as well as a tweet fulminating with incandescent rage against Greek City Times’ Athens Bureau chief Paul Antopoulos, whom it calls a “white supremacist.” Very original line of attack you got there, guys.
Greek City Times explained that the Turkish group was enraged “because Ancestry.com correctly highlighted that many Turkish citizens are indeed mostly unrelated to Turkic peoples from Central Asia and are rather native Anatolian people that have been Turkified….Ancestry.com highlighted that after the Ottoman conquest of Pontos in today’s Turkey’s southeastern Black Sea coast, the “Pontian Greeks adopted Turkish language and culture, and many converted to Islam in order to have greater opportunities in Turkish society. Ancestry.com also highlighted that another round of Turkification of Pontian Greeks occurred after the second Russo-Turkish War (1828-29).”
This is not at all surprising, and nowhere even close to a false claim. Throughout history, when Muslims have conquered an area, they relegate the non-Muslims to second-class status, denying them numerous rights and mandating that they pay a tax, the jizya, for the privilege of practicing their religions without being killed. There is one easy way for the subjugated dhimmis to escape this state of humiliation and degradation: they can convert to Islam.
There is more. Read the rest here.
Diane Harvey says
Standing headlines found anywhere in the world where Muslims are found,
“Turks Enraged . . .”
“Muslims Enraged . . .”
As to why they’re enraged, pick anything and everything.
Keith O says
Diane, We all know that mudslimes will be offended by anything on any day ending in Y.
gravenimage says
Yep.
mortimer says
The Turks are enraged to discover that there is no such thing as the ‘Turkish’ race. They are the descendants of BYZANTINE ROMANS and about a million or two raped slaves brought from every country by the Ottomans.
mortimer says
The Turks are principally descended from ‘Rhomaioi’ (Romans), Armenians, Lazics, Georgians, Syrian Arabs and many other races forcibly brought to Ottoman Turkey. There is no ‘Turkish’ race.
Infidel says
Actually, there is a pure Turkish race, but it’s not native to Turkey! It’s real home is Turkistan – Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. It’s real original centers were cities like Samarqand, Buqhara, Qashqar, Balashagun and not Konya, Bursa or Istanbul
CogitoErgoSum says
Muslims always seem to forget about the Jizya and what it entails. However, it’s in the Koran … and according to the hadiths it will be around until the Muslim version of Jesus returns and abolishes it.
gravenimage says
The Muslim “Jesus” only abolishes the Jizya because at that point Jews and Christians are only offered two choices–convert or be murdered.
Dario says
Muslims will lose Anatolia, too many Christian saints were born in what is now Turkey.
Barbara says
They are denying that when someone is forced to accept Islam, it not change their ancestral heritage.
gravenimage says
Islam *does* try to erase converts’ entire pre-Islamic history, both of the individual and the society. Many converted peoples implausibly claim direct descent from Muhammed. V.S. Naipaul explores this phenomenon in his books “Among the Believers” and “Beyond Belief”.
ploome says
muslims just say Christian saint and Jewish prophets are muslim….
just like the claim holy places, churches and temples are mosks
islam is based on theft and murder
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
Many Albanian Muslims are rediscovering their Christian roots which existed prior to
mass Muslim conversions that traditionally took place at the end of a sword. There apparently is a substantial return to Christianity in Albania as Albanians are beginning to realize more freedoms.
Infidel says
This is good news: Europe doesn’t need islamic enclaves beyond what it already has. If Albanians are converting, hopefully the Kosovars will follow: they have their own identity w/o needing islam for it, unlike the Turks, who are somewhat indistinguishable from the Mongols except for islam. Or the Bosniaks who’d be no different from the Serbs, but for islam
Dave Mcloughlin says
The world does not “need” the obscenity that is islam.
jimjfox says
Never a truer word, Dave
LB says
There’s no such thing as “Kosovars” — there are only muslim Albanians; just like there are no such thing as “Palestinians”. They are a made up people invented to dispute Serbian claim on their ancestral home which is Kosovo & Metohija. Just the other day they tried getting UNESCO to recognize that, what little remains of ancient Serbian Christian Orthodox churches that weren’t demolished by muslim Albanians in the 90’s, are actually built by muslim Albanians and that they should own them without UNESCO’s protection. You can imagine what would happen to those churches if they succeed.
As for the Bosniaks, they have no choice but to be muslims because refusing islam would mean admitting they are of Serbian/Croatian origin, effectively disputing their own claim that they are somehow historically completely different people. Besides, today’s borders of “Bosnia & Herzegovina” were determined by the Dayton Agreement after the 90’s war, which was supposed to be only temporary solution until the passions flared down. Eastern 40% of that country is called “Republic of Serbia” and the people there identify as Serbs, not “Bosniaks”, and are constantly pushing to join their home country of Serbia. Needless to say that losing 40% of your territory would eviscerate any claim to be a unique people in the eyes of the world, so the muslim “Bosniak” politicians do everything in their power to delay that process.
As for the Albanians, their origins are completely questionable, as their language has exactly 0% similarities with any Indo-European language. The Human Genome Project also puts them closer to south of Caucasus than anywhere in Europe. Their claim to be of Illyrian descent first arose after WWII after its communist leader at the time–Enver Hoxha–ordered the history books to be rewritten in that way. Needless to say, it’s just another attempt at historical claim of a land that was never theirs. Nowhere in any of the ancient history texts and retellings is there a single mention of “Albanians”. Most likely the Ottomans imported them there in an attempt to faster “muslimize” the Balkans, but no one knows for certain exactly where they came from.
Infidel says
I know that ‘Kosovars’ are Albanians, and nothing else. Which makes the existence of Kosovo even more ridiculous: if NATO had to rip it away from Serbia, they could have gifted it to Albania
At any rate, the Serbs were screwed, and should have encouraged a Serb rebellion in Srpska, so that NATO would have been forced to recognize the same thing there that they did in Kosovo
LB says
The only reason why NATO hadn’t given Kosovo to Albania is because the Deep State wanted a puppet state for themselves which they could freely control and do with as they wished.
There’s a reason why Kosovo is now considered the hive of crime in Europe: drug, human and organ trafficking are about the only thing keeping “Kosovo’s” economy alive. But that cream is reserved only for the top puppets of the “Kosovo state” to enjoy; the common Albanians there have only rocks to eat, so it’s no surprise that about 40% of “Kosovo” population has immigrated to Western Europe by hopping onto the never-ending muslim migrant train.
Aside from that, Kosovo also hosts “Bondsteel”–the biggest USA military base in Europe (and second biggest in the world if I’m not mistaken). Not to mention Trepca mines which are said to contain numerous rare minerals, all of it going to the USA, of course.
So yeah, it’s not exactly in USA’s, or rather, the Deep State’s interest to just hand that territory over to Albania. I’m sure they will though, but only after all of its resources (both human and natural) are completely exhausted.
Brando says
The Albanians descend from the Illyrians, and so via them,claim
The Emperors :
1. CONSTANTINE (272-337 ) ( his father was Illyrian and his mother was Greek, but the native language of Constantine was LATIN)
He granted toleration for Christianity in the Edict of Milan, made Constantinople the new capital of the Roman empire,
and his son CONSTANTINE II created the GREAT LIBRARY of CONSTANTINOPLE ( 120,000 books )
They were ALL in PARCHMENT ( animal skins) ,not PAPYRUS( which deteriorates fast). Books in parchment can last for hundreds of years in BAD weather. But in 473 a FIRE destroyed most of them.
2.And JUSTINIAN (482-565) ( born of an Illyrian or Illyro-Roman(mixed) family and his native language was also LATIN ).
He built the HAGIA SOPHIA church,
and created the JUSTINIAN LEGAL CODE: it is this definitive version of Roman legal law that has influenced the West.
THEODORA AND THE JUSTINIAN CODE
She was the Greek wife of Justinian. MUSLIMS have this propaganda that Islam gave Equal Rights to Women. The Justinian Code appeared Before Islam and due to Theodora in it:
SOURCE
https://douglasaburton.com/empress-theodora-origins-of-womens-rights/
“Empress Theodora: Origins of Women’s Rights”(2020 article )
The article says:
NEW PROPERTY LAW
“Theodora also saw to it that women could OWN and INHERIT property,
which is quite a breakthrough because it gave daughters and wives real social power.
A family’s wealth could now continue through a daughter, and should a woman’s husband die, the wife could claim the property and fortune. ”
JAIL TIME AND WOMEN
“If a woman required prison time, the NEW LAWS forbade her imprisonment in COMMON JAILS where she had no protection from male guards who could abuse these women without recourse.
She saw to it that criminal women were removed from common prisons and detained in a NUNNERY (that she constructed), under the supervision of other women. ”
MARRIAGE AND CONSENT
“She also knew that prospective brides could sometimes be PRESSURED into a marriage.
A woman might give consent initially when put on the spot, but as the marriage date grew near, she might think differently.
Therefore, a NEW LAW came out that required the prospective bride to give her consent TWICE —once at the original proposal, and then again before the marriage took place. This allowed women to change their minds before entering into a lifelong commitment”
THE NEW DOWRY LAW
“Women of the time were expected to offer a dowry to their grooms.
By Theodora’s time, the custom had expanded to make it fashionable for men to offer something MINOR in return.
This minor offering was called an “antenupital.’ Under the NEW LAWS, the antenupital had to be EQUAL to the bride’s dowry. Equal to the bride. Theodora’s message is consistent and clear.”
NEW DIVORCE LAW
“In Byzantium, there was a law of ‘MUTUAL CONSENT’ in divorce cases. A divorce was granted only if BOTH the husband and the wife agreed to void the marriage. ……………..
Theodora had the law of mutual consent STRUCK DOWN.”
ELIMINATION OF MARRIAGE BAN
“For centuries, there was a ban on intermarriage between the upper and lower classes” (Theodora abolished it )
NEW RAPE LAWS
“Under Empress Theodora, rape was made punishable by DEATH. This law extended to anyone present during the rape, regardless of position or rank, and the RAPIST’s PROPERTY was even transferred to the rape victim”
PROSTITUTION LAWS
“Under the new laws, no woman could be forced into prostitution.
If a woman willingly chose prostitution, but later wished to leave the profession, Theodora’s laws made it illegal for a brothel-keeper to stop her. And Theodora followed up relentlessly to ensure enforcement of the laws.”
ALSO
According to :
“Celebrating the Women of Byzantium”(2017 ) ( regarding THEODORA)
https://douglasaburton.com/empress-theodora-origins-of-womens-rights/
“She passed laws PROHIBITING HUMAN TRAFFICKING
and ABOLISHING a law legalizing the KILLING of ADULTEROUS women.”
Barbara says
Theodora was ahead of her time. To bad the following centuries did not keep her laws. It have change western Europe into a less patriarchal societies. How many forced marriages would not have happened. A man could not force a rich woman to marry him, to bail him out of his debts.
Brando says
Hello,that is true,for example, in the NAPOLEONIC CODE (1804)
by Napoleon,which is still in force in FRANCE, but with changes,
WOMEN were LEGALLY MINORS,no matter what their age.Virtually No Rights for them.
It deprived women of any individual rights, and reduced the rights of illegitimate children.
Infidel says
Yeah, it’s tragic what happened to the entire Byzantine empire. Maybe they should have left the Persians alone, then all the Arab conquests that happened after Mohammed’s death would have been more effectively blocked
Barbara says
The Celts had a society where the woman were equal to men in their rights. Many of those rights are listed in Theodora’s laws.
Wonder which one came first, or did the split from a common heritage?
ploome says
Little is known of Theodora’s early life, but a combination of the official version with that found in the highly coloured Secret History of Procopius of Caesarea probably provides the best explanation. Her father, Acacius, was a bear keeper at the Hippodrome (circus) in Constantinople. Procopius says that she became an actress and prostitute while still young, leading an unconventional life that included giving birth to at least one child out of wedlock. For a time, she made her living as a wool spinner. When Justinian met her, she had been converted to miaphysitism, a nonorthodox doctrine. Attracted by her beauty and intelligence, he made her his mistress and married her in 525. Her disreputable background meant that prior to the marriage, special legislation had to be passed legalizing unions between actresses and men of senatorial rank or higher. When Justinian succeeded to the throne in 527, she was proclaimed augusta.
……..I remember reading she would perform in the circus with bears
SAFI says
@Brando the origins of the modern Albanians are contested and their connection to the ancient Illyrians remains hypothetical (though not wholly implausible) People from Roman Illyricum which included most of the “Balkans” and even Pannonia and Noricum are sometimes erroneously confused with the ancient “Illyrian” tribes. In reality all the “Illyrians” at the time of Justinian (or at least the ones north of the Jireček line) would probably be speaking Latin.
It is true though that the Albanians have been in the Balkans for at least several centuries before the arrival of Islam and most of them remained Christian until about 1700. They’re also generally regarded as quite moderate compared to most Muslims (many belong to the Bektashi order (Sufi), though Albania is quite poor and crime infested… In 2009 they became the second muslim majority nation to join NATO (Turkey being the first)
Brando says
Hello, thanks for the additional info, I assume the strongest pt in thinking there is a connection or possible connection between Illyrians and Albanians
is the LANGUAGE. Albanian is an Indo-European language, and some think it is derived,maybe,from Thracian. Only thing we know for sure is that the existence of the Albanian language appears in a document
in the 13th century.
SKANDERBEG (1405-1468)
He is the National Hero of Albanian. Forced to become a Muslim he pretended to believe and serve in the Ottoman army for many years.
Then when the opportunity presented itself he became a Christian and led a rebellion against the Muslims.
For 25 years, from 1443 to 1468, Skanderbeg’s 10,000-man army marched through Ottoman territory, winning against consistently larger and better-supplied Ottoman forces.
JOHN HUNYADI
At the same time another great fighter against Muslim expansion was JOHN HUNYADI (1406-1456),
a Romanian from Transylvania ( his son,MATIAS CORVINUS , later became king of HUNGARY ( and the Greatest King in Hungarian history).
Hunyadi defeated the Muslims when they tried to conquer BELGRADE
gravenimage says
I hope so. Here’s a related story:
“Muslim Kosovars rediscover their long-forgotten Roman Catholic roots”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/muslim-kosovars-rediscover-their-long-forgotten-roman-catholic-roots/2015/05/06/b0c62832-f41c-11e4-bca5-21b51bbdf93e_story.html
Rarely says
If this upset them imagine the reaction when they find out that those who aren’t of Greek ancestry are the descendants of apes and pigs (my apologies to apes and pigs).
Infidel says
The thing I wonder is how many of those Turks, discovering that their ancestress’ were Greeks, would attach themselves to the Greek Orthodox Church, adapt the Greek language and culture and so on? Would the percentage be in double digits?
SAFI says
My guess is extremely few though largely depending (provided they even know their family history) how long ago and under what circumstances they became muslim. I know a man who gave up on turkishness and took a Christian name after discovering the true story of his grandfather, who was born into a Greek family but ended being raised by Muslims after his parents were murdered when he was still a baby during the Christian ottoman genocide a century ago.
But others would likely react with denial or choose to believe that their conversion to Islam (and subsequent turkification) was all for the better especially considering that over the centuries many Greeks (and lots of others) converted to Islam voluntarily (well sort of) and often made themselves rich through their newfound ability to oppress the Christian by joining the Muslim elite , so why regret anything? … especially if they’ve also been brainwashed into believing that Islam is really the true faith?
… the reverse was prohibited though, stories of muslims who converted to Christianity like that of Saint Christodoulos (AKA Saint Ahmet) typically end with the ex-Muslim convert being martyred by the ottoman authorities… needless to say the guy I mentioned above no longer resides in Turkey else his former coreligionists would give him hell for “betraying” Islam…
gravenimage says
+1
mortimer says
The Turks enslaved and raped women from almost every country. It is a population descended from raped slaves. Nothing to be proud of Turks. The dirty secret of your ancestry is revealed and it smells.
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
A related article that claims half of Albanians are of Greek origin.
https://www.ocnal.com/2016/06/greek-historian-greece-was-albanian.html
SAFI says
Actually it claims the reverse (and is rather misleading)
mortimer says
Both of you are wrong. The entire Balkan peninsula has DNA from the Italian Romans who migrated from Southern Italy. THEY ARE ALL ROMAN DESCENDANTS.
SAFI says
Not sure what you’re getting at Mortimer (or whether you’re being facetious)
Keith O says
I can only imagine the expression on Erdogan’s face when he was told about that little gem.
It would have been priceless.
gravenimage says
Turks Enraged as Ancestry.com Reveals the Truth: Most of Them Are Greeks
………….
This is of course just common sense–but Muslim Turks all want to believe that they are descended from the bloody conquerors.
Andrew Blackadder says
Once again facts hurt feelings and so must boycott facts and embrace feelings.
As AOC once said, “Facts dont matter when you have morality on your side”…
SAFI says
I think everyone has reasons to be mad at the discovery of these “greek” turncoats LARPing as central Asians…
Greeks should probably be more “enraged” than anyone, after all it’s their people who got kidnapped, or worse, in many cases turned coat and joined the death cult voluntarily to escape dhimmi status. At the very least they should be enraged at all the “academic” hacks from Turkey, the US and even Greece who who push that “Convivencia” bullshit narrative of “living side by side” with their muslim kidnappers and oppressors…
Infidel says
In India, the practice of jauhar – where the women and children of a fort sedated themselves w/ narcotics and then self-immolated to avoid a fate similar to Janissaries, where the women, had they survived, would have been forcibly married and raped by the conquering muslim armies. Although Indian revisionist historians from the Nehru-Gandhi era would claim that as being bigoted, the evidence showed that those Turkish muslims (talking now about the original Turks from Turkistan – Samarqand, Ghazni, Ghowr, et al) were even into necrophilia, which is why that step was taken whenever a fort looked like it would fall
SAFI says
I have read similar accounts from the balkans of mass suicide of women under similar circumstances (a fort/stronghold about to fall to the ottoman forces) to avoid enslavement and rape, … though not by self-immolation (usually it’s jumping off a cliff or something like that) and I don’t think the practice had a name like jauhar but the similarities are chilling…
Infidel says
‘Jauhar’ was a Hindi word: I doubt that the same word would have been used for a similar practice by Balkan women
SAFI says
No, obviously, I meant having any particular name besides suicide
SAFI says
I think turkish and muslim conquest in general was driven to a significant degree if not primarily by promises of sexual rewards, ever since Allah declared through his Prophet that the females of the infidels were fair game… and even in case they lost the battle they could still expect to be greeted by 72 virgins anyway so for muslim men jihad had always been the surest way of getting laid
Barbara says
One of the dirty little secrets of Islam is a man wants die in battle. He then comes back alive and does it again. Every time he dies in battle he gets a reward from Allah. They do not fear death, because they come back to life.
Barbara says
Just because some one is forced to change their religion, it does not change their ancestral DNA.
Surprise the Turks and descendants from the Greeks. They also descend from all of the people they kidnapped in the Mediterranean Sea; English, Italian, Spanish, French, etc.
The red hair, blue, green eyes do not come from the Arab ancestors.
IanB says
… or any day containing 24 hours.
Every minute available for muslim whinging and whining.
Ian B says
Reply to Keith O above
Crusades Were Right says
In the USA (and the Western world in general) if someone discovers he has a slave ancestor, it is, generally speaking, a source of pride, and tends to become the defining aspect of his ethnicity, heritage and identity. Any connection to those who were the masters of slaves, or the conquerors of the lands of others, is seen as an embarrassment, a mark of shame.
In “Turkey”, though, it is clearly the other way round.
Elina Vergou says
The turks didn’t want all of the Christians to convert to islam, because they would have no one to prey upon.
When the population of the infidels increased too much though, they would resume their turkification agenda.
gravenimage says
When the Turkish Muslims were pressured by the West to end a lot of their persecution of Christians and other Infidels, they were grudging at best. That the Armenian Genocide–that actually targeted *all* Christians–Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Levantines–was launched just a couple of decades later is, I believe, no coincidence.
If Muslims couldn’t enslave and rape their victims, they wanted them all dead.
BlackSabbath says
Greeks are notorious for creating lot of things. Even the Turks.
Infidel says
Starting w/ a wooden horse, which too was deployed outside Troy ?
OLD GUY says
Dam the truth hurts sometime. Can you imagine the outrage when they find out that Muhammad was a FALSE PROFIT?