Few in the courtroom likely realized the importance of what the murderer’s sister said. Saying that the victim “played with” her brother’s “honor” meant that killing her was justified, as far as the killer’s family was concerned.
In the Qur’an, a mysterious figure, known as Khidr in Islamic tradition, kills a boy in an apparently random and gratuitous attack. He then explains: “And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief. So we intended that their Lord should substitute for them one better than him in purity and nearer to mercy.” (18:80-81)
And according to Islamic law, “retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (Reliance of the Traveller o1.1-2).
Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. The Palestinian Authority gives pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders. Iraqi women have asked for tougher sentences for Islamic honor murderers, who get off lightly now. Syria in 2009 scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences for honor killings, but “the new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour ‘provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.’” And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that “Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.” In Iran, according to the New York Times, the legal system “treats parents who murder their children with relative leniency, as the maximum sentence for the crime is only ten years.”
“His relatives mock the victim!,” translated from “Seine Angehörigen verhöhnen das Opfer!,” by Sebastian Prengel, Bild, July 14, 2021 (thanks to Medforth):
Dortmund – It was a bitter day for the father of the murder victim Juvy-Ann (22). On the second day of the trial, the relatives of the alleged killer Alim K. (24), among others, had their say in front of the Dortmund Regional Court – their statements must have sounded like mockery to Hans Joachim F. (68).
Review: Alim K. (24) is said to have massacred his fourth month pregnant ex-girlfriend in Hamm with 76 stab wounds. Again and again, according to the indictment, he rammed the blade into the body of the defenseless girl in a frenzy of blood, almost severing her head with the knife.
But his relatives did not let anything come of “their” Alim K. So sneered the defendant’s brother-in-law, Engin Ö. (39), about Juvy-Ann: “She was very aggressive, had hair on her teeth. But I know Alim as a loving, helpful and social person. He was always so warm and welcoming. Juvy-Ann got him hooked with her psychological games. ”
Or Ks. Sister Nuray K. (37): “The girl played with the honor of my brother. He had depression because of her, even wanted to kill himself.”
It was Alim K. who threatened, abused, controlled and beat Juvy-Ann for months. According to BILD information, this is proven by chat logs. Hans Joachim F. to BILD: “Here an attempt is made to turn the perpetrator into a victim.”
“I don’t go to bed in the evening and I hate”
By the way: Alim K. doesn’t want to testify himself for now. Defense attorney Dr. Michael von Glahn (64), when asked by BILD: “My client first has to empathize with the process atmosphere.” The convicted Turk already knows the dock from another trial …
The trial continues.
mortimer says
It is VERY DANGEROUS to become romantically involved with a Muslim. Islamic attitudes to the control of women are DANGEROUS to both Muslims and non-Muslims.
Though Muslims live in the West, they still bring the Honor-Shame Paradigm with them. Honor is restored to a Muslim through the shedding of blood. No kafir is ‘innocent’. All kafirs deserve to be killed because they reject Mohammed.
Shame can be eliminated by revenge with bloodshed. This is sanctioned by the Qur’an (sura Xl,173). “Believers, retaliation is decreed for you in bloodshed.” Koran 11.173
“The right to life of women (in Pakistan) … is conditional on their obeying social norms and traditions.” -Hina Jilani, Pakistani lawyer and women’s rights activist
There are two types of honor: sharaf for males and namus for females.
Male ‘honor’ in Islam is maintained and increased or decreased through active participation and competition in the life of the community and is in a constant state of flux. So when a woman loses her ‘honour’ (namus) her brothers, father and uncles have lost their ‘honour’ (sharaf), which can only be regained through a violent display of dominance and the SHEDDING OF BLOOD.
“I would rather die than lose my honour…Our whole life is founded on honour. If we lose it, we have no life, we become swine. If we lose our honour, we are just like swine. We’re no better than animals.” -Sirhan, age 35, interviewed in ABC documentary The Lost Honor of Sirhan after serving a six month sentence in Jordan for killing his sister who had fallen victim to rape, 2003
revereridesagain says
+1
It is vile for an ideology that teaches men will be rewarded with an eternity of renewable virgin whores for committing murder in its name to even speak the word “honor”.
Wellington says
Thanks, mortimer, for mentioning the two types of “honor” in Islam based on gender. I did not know this. I do now thanks to you.
James Lincoln says
+1
Wellington says
What’s extra sick in all of this, James, is that a Muslim woman who is forced to have sex completely against her will, i.e., raped, still loses her honor (namus) and so do her male relatives lose their honor (sharaf) and can only get it back by killing the female relative who was raped.
The fact that in Jordan the brother who killed his sister who was raped then got only a six-month sentence (which I suspect was due to the Jordanian government too afraid to inflict zero punishment on the brother lest it lose US and other Western funding or perhaps it was due to the realization by some Jordanian authorities that yet another heinous aspect of Islam just couldn’t be completely tolerated—or for both reasons) is itself disgusting, injustice of the highest order.
Islam is so very, very sick. What a loathsome creed it is. And I exculpate no adult Muslim, no matter how “moderate” a Muslim that person is, from continuing to willingly adhere to the religious pathology which is Islam.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Mortimer. I was of course aware that Islam has a double standard of “honor” for men and women–but I had not seen the terms that codified it before.
You are always a font of important information.
Wellington says
Proving again that the Muslim sense of honor is a very warped sense of honor. Fitting though since so much about Islam is warped. What a repulsive belief system Islam truly is.
tim gallagher says
Muslims talking about honour. What a sick joke that is. It is about as stupid as talking about Islam being peaceful or Islam being humane. Evil, primitive, knuckle dragging Muslims use words like honour and peace, just as non-Muslims do, but these words are meaningless to Muslims and should not be used at all by these barbaric scumbags. Concepts like honour are simply not part of their twisted and evil mentality.
gravenimage says
Yes–Muslims use words differently than we do.
r koz says
The poor dogs have been victims since the 1st muslim whacked the other for a loaf of bread and the goat. They belomg in the sands of the M.E.
Fred van de Bunt says
“The Dortmund District Court, where the trial is underway, issued an official report stating that Kaymaz also raped the 22-year-old woman at least twice in his apartment in Bergkamen.
The court heard Juvy-Ann ended her relationship with Kaymaz after she learned he was cheating on her with another woman, but he could not accept the breakup.”
https://7news.com.au/news/world/jilted-lover-on-trial-for-allegedly-stabbing-ex-girlfriend-76-times-and-nearly-decapitating-her-in-gruesome-attack-c-3342017
The Muslim family from the killer of the Philippine lady and her baby give witness statements that seem relevant in Islam jurisdictions. Do not forget that the murderer Alim Kaymaz is born Turk and Muslim and the Philippine victim and her baby are transgressors, as Islamic law decides.
So it is understandable that the Muslim family of the dishonoured murderer states to the sheik (the German judge) that his Muslim honour was breached. If Kaymaz would have been a Nazi during Hitler’s times and the victim a Jewish lady, the Nazi’s family would have used the desecration of Nazi honour by the vile Jewish women as an excuse too.
PRCS says
Thanks for that link.
I was wondering about her ethnicity.
Very troubling that she kept going back to him–despite all the abuse.
Ty Ader says
Animals. Barbarians, plain and simple.
AnnChristine says
It is unbelievable these so called religious people are all living near us. I wish these savages were never brought into our midst
They have all sorts of Evil practices as excuses for randomly killing anyone I now have a family of them as neighbours They will all be living not too far from any of us very very soon!!
Walter Sieruk says
This jihadwatch news report starts of with the words “Few in the courtroom likely realized the importance of what the murderer’s sister said. Saying that the victim “played with” her brother’s “honor” meant that killing her was justified, as far as the killer’s family was concerned.”
What the sister of that murderous Muslim said only further uphold the wisdom ofthe saying that “Evil is always looking for an excuse.” All the more so in the world of Islam..
gravenimage says
Germany: Relatives of Muslim who killed woman mock victim’s family, ‘The girl played with my brother’s honor’
Few in the courtroom likely realized the importance of what the murderer’s sister said. Saying that the victim “played with” her brother’s “honor” meant that killing her was justified, as far as the killer’s family was concerned.
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Yes, this is true–and few in the west understand the psychotic Islamic concept of honor.
Any civilized person having serious trouble with their girlfriend would simply have left.
More:
But his relatives did not let anything come of “their” Alim K. So sneered the defendant’s brother-in-law, Engin Ö. (39), about Juvy-Ann: “She was very aggressive, had hair on her teeth. But I know Alim as a loving, helpful and social person.
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Of course–what could be more “loving and helpful” than stabbing your vulnerable girlfriend and your unborn child 76 times, almost severing her head?
God, I hate Islam.
PRCS says
Like immigrants everywhere, Muslims bring their beliefs and customs with them–as this incident and so many others IN THE WEST make clear.
gravenimage says
Yes–and this can be largely beneficial, neutrally just different, or catastrophic, depending on the nature of those beliefs and customs. Certainly the latter with Islam.