Imran Khan’s pro-China stance may be on a collision course with his support for jihad.
“Pakistan bus blast that left 9 Chinese nationals dead was work of suicide bomber, editor says,” by Tom Hussain, South China Morning Post, July 16, 2021:
A suicide bomber driving a vehicle packed with explosives was responsible for Wednesday’s attack in northern Pakistan that caused the deaths of nine Chinese dam workers, according to a top newspaper editor in Islamabad.
The details reported by Fahd Husain – resident editor of Pakistan’s top English-language newspaper, Dawn – came as Chinese Premier Li Keqiang and Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan discussed via phone the incident that left a total of 13 people dead.
In the readout of the call, Khan was quoted as expressing his condolences to Beijing on “the recent terrorist attacks”.
Pakistani officials had earlier described the incident as being caused by a gas leak or a vehicle failure – with at least one Chinese expert expressing the latter view to Beijing-backed tabloid Global Times – although the country’s information minister in a Thursday tweet said “confirmed traces of explosives” had been found.
In Husain’s column, published on Friday, he wrote that two buses carrying Chinese engineers, surveyors and technicians to the construction site at the Dasu hydropower project were intercepted by the suicide bomber as soon as they left their residential camp at the nearby town of Barseen.
“As this convoy came onto the road that was open to traffic, another car manoeuvred itself between the convoy. This vehicle was laden with explosives,” Husain wrote.
“The driver then rammed the car into the first bus and there was an explosion. However, the detonator malfunctioned and the explosives did not go off with full force. The driver of the second bus, on seeing the bus in front of him hit, tried to swerve but lost control and the bus plunged into the ravine, killing most people on board.”…
Frank Anderson says
“Irresistible force meets Immovable object!”
One of many points made clear in concise manner by our host, RS, is that islam never keeps promises, either to non-muslims or to muslims who are not the same. Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades. Any promise or deal is only so good and lasting as it is convenient. No doubt a very important and useful lesson that will be ignored by many.
But not us.
Pavithra says
Neither do the Chinese. Birds of a feather flock together.
gregbeetham says
The wheel had to fall off sooner or later; I was beginning to wonder how naive Beijing actually was playing tiddlywinks with fundamentalist Islamic lunatics.
Infidel says
At one level, given that the victims were Chinese engineers, technicians and surveyors, that’s something tragic about this. Otoh, China only puts PLA members to work on such projects, meaning that these people were, in addition to their technical job titles, PLA troops as well.
That said, I can’t help but be amused at how this camaraderie b/w Pakistan and China is now bound to come apart: Imran Khan can either take Beijing’s side on this, or he can take the side of his own countrymen, who jihad aside, resent China bossing around like they own the place. Had this been a genuine cooperative effort, it would have been Pakistani workers working on such things, rather than Chinese. But it’s not, which is why there is resentment at China for both CPEC as well as the treatment of Uyghurs. And now it’s catching up w/ China
Only thing: if things break up b/w Beijing and Islamabad, the latter will have no one to prop them! Maybe they can get Qatar interested? Or a newly enriched Iran?
gravenimage says
I think this is why Khan was trying to present this as an “accident”.
Infidel says
Wonder how well China will take Pakistan lying to them? At least behind closed doors, I’d expect both to be honest
gravenimage says
Muslims and Communists? Probably not a whole lot of honesty there…
Frank Anderson says
GI, “How do you know when a lawyer is lying? When his lips are moving!”
I once had a case where it was vital to know what was going on with an opponent who was acting “funny”. I asked the judge to allow a video recording of a deposition so it could be viewed by professionals. The judge denied the motion. I brought an MD Psychiatrist and PhD Clinical Psychologist to the deposition, who watched both the opponent and his lawyer. Never trusted a word that lawyer said again.
When islam has openly proclaimed for 1400 years that lying whenever advantage can be obtained is encouraged, and Communists have shown since Karl Marx that truth has no place in their goals or agenda, most of the people reading here can accept we are dealing with liars. Those who think either can be dealt with through negotiation and compromise fail to remember the approach attributed to Soviets when we were much younger, “What’s mine is mine; What’s yours is negotiable.” They live while we die. They are the masters while we are the slaves. That is the goal. Those who imagine there is something to compromise are delusional.
gravenimage says
Agree, Frank.
Kagman says
Quoting you: “be amused at how this camaraderie b/w Pakistan and China is now bound to come apart”
When did the Chinese ever care a whit about the individual? Communist dogma focuses on the collective, not the individual. Their relationship will move forward unabated because China, as a whole, will benefit from the relationship.
This busload of victims? Simply the Honored Dead.
Infidel says
No, China does care about PLA members. They won’t take kindly to those troops being blown up, particularly when they are talented enough to do those belt/road projects that helps China leech on those partner countries
gravenimage says
China may not care about individuals, but they certainly consider this a threat to their hegemony.
Kagman says
I remember a few years back 4 Chinese technical workers were beheaded by Jihadi scum… Possibly in Iraq or Syria… Within days, the CCP announced a ‘Terrorist’ sweep in the Uyghur territory of China.. 40 were killed. You kill one of ours, we’ll kill 10 of yours. The Chinese, if nothing else, understand the Muslim mindset. The ONLY way to deal with these people is with overwhelming force of arms.
That, they understand.
Frank Anderson says
K., the Germans were faced with a choice between the Communists who showed in Russia and the “Soviet Union” their disdain for freedom, liberty and life, and the Nazis who promised an end to Communist chaos. There was then no third choice. IF we are faced now with a choice between muslim slaughter and Chinese tyranny, which one is better? At least, at times, the Chinese appear at times to understand islam. ALL the smiles and promises of the Pakistani and Afghan leadership cannot control the jihadi teachings and impulse. The Chinese for all their mindless doctrine are not as mindless as some of “our” leaders. God Help US, Please!
Kagman says
Your assumption is that I disapprove of China’s actions. On the contrary. It’s distasteful. It’s unfortunate..But it is absolutely the only way to deal with the outrage that is Islam. Overwhelming force. It’s all they understand. And, to be sure, the Chinese never lost another of their citizens since their actions against the Uyghurs… Foundational to Islam is violence. They understand it.
Frank Anderson says
K., I make no assumption about your thoughts. You are just as entitled to express them as I am mine.
I spend a lot of time, starting almost 60 years ago, studying WWII and particularly Germany to try to learn what NOT to do. I ask myself often, if I had lived in Germany, what would be my decision between the choices of standing idle while the Communists and Nazis fought, or to join one or the other in the fight. As I am not Jewish, my options would be substantially different from those who urgently needed to escape; but I think the most favorable option then for any person was to get away rather than remain.
The problem we have today is there is nowhere to escape. If there is a third option today, we need to find it and put it to work. Otherwise, the future will be totalitarian, and people will be worthless. I suggest frequently watching the Michael York movie about what I think is the ultimate dream of those who wish for totalitarian rule, Logan’s Run.
gravenimage says
Actually, Kagman, China also does a lot of appeasement of Islam.
Kagman says
@gravenimage, Yes, China does appease Islam… Outside of it’s borders… Inside China, Islam is extinguished like the trash fire it is.
gravenimage says
Pretty much agree, Kagman.
Kepha says
Yet note that the Chinese take things out on people who are supposedly their own people. This is one reason why, per one of the other questions here, I’ll fight to the death to keep from having to face a choice between Islamic or Chinese Communist tyranny (and my family is part Chinese). Twentieth century totalitarianism, even if it fights Islam, is just about the most brutal and vicious form of government ever created by the sinful mind of man. Further, China’s recent economic advance was achieved only because the CCP sold its soul to what it regarded as the devil, especially when they found it could greatly benefit the families of high cadre.
Perhaps this incident, if it is not isolated, shows that China is now learning what it is to be seen as the “imperialist” or “colonialist”.
wpm says
The Pakistan present government leaders could careless if all the Uygurs are killed by the Chinese. The people who live in Pakistan have nothing but scorn for all non-Moslems trying to get the Pakistan people to work under the supervision of the Chinese will be like herding cats. The Hindus in Indian can sit back and watch their two biggest enemies start a terror verse ethic cleansing war against each other. My money is on the Chinese hopefully the west should sit this one out .With Bribe man in office with Hunter as his bag man who knows with the woke left idiots in America loving ever Moslem “Refugee” will the west be swamp with more Moslem because of this in the near future as China bring down the hammer?
Infidel says
Yeah, for Hindus in India, this would be an Alien vs Predator situation in Pakistan. May both sides win!
Keith O says
Like the analogy infidel. But who’s who in the zoo?
gravenimage says
Alien vs Predator pretty much sums this up…
gravenimage says
Pakistan: Bus blast that killed 13 Chinese men not an accident as originally claimed, but a jihad suicide bombing
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Terrible–but who can be surprised?
Pious Muslims hate *all* Infidels, whatever their ideology.
Walter Sieruk says
Such deadly disasters that occurred because those jihad-minded Muslims who carried out their suicidal /homicidal jihad attacks had been totally brainwashed and therefore deceived by the enticing Islamic doctrine of the story of a sex filled paradise just and only for them if they -dies in what the imams so very inappropriately and falsely call a “martyrdom operation.”
Many murderous calamities have happened in different places around the world because of those beguiled, fool jihadist Muslims with their firm but blind unquestioning belief in the Islamic paradise /sex story. In addition , the Bible does words against giving “heed to fables..” First Timothy 1:4. [K.J.V.]
Savvyone says
Yes, Walter. Such as the murderous calamity in Schoharie,NY, a few years ago, that took the lives of 18 young adults killed in a limousine accident, driven by a Jihadi driver, on their way to a birthday celebration. The Muslim driver thought he was on the way to enjoy his 72 virgins.
Isn’t it odd that although our satellites can travel 150 million miles away from earth, that their cameras have not recorded any of those orgies? Perhaps that thought never enters their deluded minds.
Walter Sieruk says
Such deadly incidents as that bus bomb blast is the tragic results of dedicated by terrible deceived Muslim terrorists when they are beguiled and enticed by the Islamic doctrine of Islam of a sex-filled paradise with many virgins in it for the jihadist who dies for the cause of Islam.
This doctrine of Islam is a complete falsehood of religious story /fable and nothing more .
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In fact the Bible had predicted that false teachers would sometime come in ingrain such a fiction of a religious story of a lust filled place that in reality is only a fable..
For in the Bible it is written .”For the time will come when they will no not endure sound doctrine ; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers , having itching ears; and they shall turn away from the truth , and shall be turned unto fables.” Second Timothy 4 ;3,4. [K.J.V.]
Raja says
Looks like, if these kind of blasts will continue, pakistan will be another afghanistan sooner than later.
Khan, being in power is having the luxury of having kafirs killed, pleasing the terrorists and mollycoddling the Chinese. The circus has must go on and blood letting is the only answer.
gregbeetham says
Khan will do the usual Muslim trick, he’s the victim and powerless to control the Jihadists, i.e. don’t blame me, I didn’t do nufffink. And of course he did do plenty, he has promoted the Islamic aspect at every turn in order to appease the fundamentalists when he should be standing up for truth and honesty instead if he wants to have any credibility at all.
Raja says
Thank you Gregbeetham,
You are right, Khan seems to have a gala time, killing two birds with one stone. This won’t of course go on for ever.
gregbeetham says
BTW Raja I agree with you, Islam should be banned because it is a brainwashing cult and not a true religion, I don’t think banning Islam would cause WW3 but it would cause lots of commotion, we would have to consider diplomatic relations with quite a few Islamic countries, in our case we would also have to think about trade and defence issues (Indonesia-Malaysia) and de-list many as travel destinations or make them off-limits based on ethnicity, which would be howled at by the left as racist. To which normal people could agree with and say…yep…and so what?
In many cases Islamic countries need the West more than the West needs Islamic countries but we have to eventually call it as it is and take the correct course of action based on our moral principles. (if we still have any)
Infidel says
Raja
I thought that Pakistan was already another Afghanistan. Thanks to CPEC, people in both Sind and Balochistan are seething at the Chicoms exploiting their natural resources and giving them nothing in return – not jobs, not money, nothing. CPEC’s management on the Pak side is by their generals, who’re happy to look the other way on Imran Khan’s incompetence in lieu of being able to run that racket
Then there are the Pathans – who dominate the Khyber regions, Waziristan and parts of Balochistan, especially Quetta. Even though Imran Khan too is one, he’s a scion of the clan of Sher Shah Suri, the 16th century Pathan ruler who caused an interruption in Mughal rule in India, not one of those pan-Afghan ones from Peshawar or anywhere nearby. These Pathans are Pakistan’s 2nd largest ethnic group (#1 are the Panjabis) and want to either dominate that country, or secede. One of their main parties is Tehreek-e-Taliban, which is happy to support and be supported by the Taliban next door. Their dream is of a united Pashtunistan comprising Pathan areas of both countries
Then, despite his piety, Imran Khan’s decision to look the other way on the Uyghurs has angered the islam-centric voters, who know how Uyghurs are being persecuted, mosques are being demolished in Xinjiang and are seething w/ rage. That, combined w/ an economy that’s in a tailspin is doing Pakistan no good, and that country is just coming apart at the seams
That country is now another Somalia, and it’s just a matter of time before it unravels even further. What India needs to do is build a wall and prevent any refugees, other than CAA-qualified non-muslims from coming in, and stop trying to influence muslim opinion in either Pakistan (i.e. don’t support separatist movements in Sind or Balochistan) or Afghanistan (stop trying to rebuild that country, especially since the Taliban has been requested by the ISI to destroy all Indian assets and gestures of goodwill). Just focus on implementing the NRC and new population control laws that will prevent a demographic jihad takeover of India
Raja says
Infidel,
Thank you for explaining so many things. Wish, I was better in anthropology, geography, demographics etc. Better late than never!!!!
Kepha says
Let Communist China take care of things when Pakistan becomes another failed state.