The Islamic aspect of the conflict in Afghanistan was ignored in Washington from the beginning to the end. Washington foreign policy experts never understood the conflict from the Afghan perspective and never came close to formulating an effective response to their presentation of the conflict to the Afghan people. The dogma that Islam is a religion of peace that is completely compatible with Western secular society deforms our foreign and domestic policies in numerous unforeseen ways.
“Taliban victory in Afghanistan is victory of entire Muslims: TTP leader,” by Najibullah Lalzoy, Khaama Press, July 27, 2021:
The leader of Tahrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) Noor Wali Mehsud appeared in a TV interview for the first time ever and said that their relations with the Afghan Taliban are based on brotherhood, sympathy, and Islamic principles.
Mehsud was interviewed by CNN through intermediaries somewhere along the Pak-Afghan border.
The TTP leader acknowledged that the victory of the Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan is not limited to the country but it is a victory for the entire Muslim people in the world.
The victory of the Afghan Taliban is voiced at a time when nearly half of the Afghan districts have fallen to the fighters.
Earlier, US CENTCOM Commander General Frank McKenzie had said that the Taliban are pretending their victory is inevitable which he believes is not the case indeed….
mortimer says
If the Taliban returns to power, then all the international soldiers and airmen who died in Afghastlistan died in vain. NATO should sucker-punch the Taliban by luring them out into the open and then catching most of them at the same time, thus delivering a knock-out blow.
Johnny B says
But is the solution to stay there indefinitely. Isn’t it up to the Afghans, Pakistanis, and so on to solve this issue among themselves? The only solution as I see it is if the people in the Muslim world finally get fed up with Islam. All the resources that we (Europe and America) save by not getting involved in all their never-ending wars could instead be used at home; they’re sorely needed. France is a great case in point, it won’t be long before we see something similar to a civil war if the Muslim population is allowed to double as expected within the next couple of decades. It’s the same pattern in much of Western Europe and with the new Biden-administration it will become an issue America as well further down the line.
clive delmonte says
Agreed. Let these countries spend their own resources, not those of Western countries. Countries and civilizations fall. It’s no disgrace historically speaking. Let them collapse and disappear.
Why does everyone think the West has a moral obligation towards these countries?
There are a dozen countries right now which should be allowed to collapse.
We learned in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and in other countries that Western intervention doesn’t work.
Terry Gain says
Mortimer
Good grief. You actually think that NATO is going to do anything about the Taliban? What are you smoking? Or drinking?
Infidel says
I’ve never understood how Mortimer both supports the America First policy of withdrawing from such black holes and simultaneously the Neocon policy of getting more involved and sending even more troops there. But then again, logic has never been Mortimer’s strong point, just like it ain’t w/ muslims
Terry Gain says
Mortimer’s knowledge of Islam is awesome, but when it comes to logic he is lacking. I felt bad insulting him as I did. But I think he needs to be jolted into reality.
gravenimage says
I sadly agree with Terry Gain about Mortimer.
gravenimage says
Alas, they died in vain whether we leave or not–Afghanistan cannot be civilized. If we stay, more good Infidels will die.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, most of the Sunni Pashtuns in Afghanistan support the Taliban. Your idea that this is a tiny group that can be lured out into the open and quickly eradicated is unfortunately mistaken.
Sabri S. says
Yes, thank God the zionist- controlled occupiers were soundly and publicly defeated…Allah U Akbar!! Imagine losing a limb, or coming home injured while occupying someone else’s country. This is such a dishonorable and stupid way to live or die.. America has finally accepted defeat and will feel themselves subdued forever. The liberation of Palestine from the zionist colonial will be the next defeat. Then, the blacks in america, and finally the showdown with Iran. This next revolution will NOT be televised as the saying goes! Racist America, your chickens are coming home to roost….and destroy you!!!
CogitoErgoSum says
If occupying a country that belongs to someone else is dishonorable and stupid I hope you and all your illegal migrant allies will be smart and honorable and leave the U.S. But then that wouldn’t be you, would it?
Jillian says
The Islamic occupiers should leave All the countries they currently occupy, but eventually we’ll have to do it for them- and I can’t wait! The whole world is on to Islamists. Sure made a great name for YOURSELVES!
Raja says
CognitoErgoSum,
It is useless replying to this guy. He lies all the time or does not care for truthful conversation. Pakistanis and “Palestinians” are renowned for telling lies all the time, probably taking cue from their supposed religion.
Alfredo says
Raja is right. Muslims lie even when they don’t have to.
That is the fundamental error too many Westerners make when they assume Islamist have the same principles.
THEY DON’T!
Get it right once and for all. Forget the montruous lie that Islam is “the religion of peace.” It’s NOT.
Therefore the endless mistakes when dealing with Islamists.
Generations past where not as confused as now, because they didn’t have corrupt media shamelessly lying to them.
Therefore they believed their eyes. When they saw ships they could identify as marauding pirates they knew what to do. That is the reason Europe’s Southern border is full of castles and fortresses, because they knew whenever they saw those boats loaded with people wearing turbans on their heads, with hatred in their eye, they knew exactly their intentions.
They knew what they meant, to plunder, to pillage, to murder, to rape, just as their leaders told them, who in their turn got their cue from their Holey Scriptures.
By the way, of all they appropiated from the Jews and the Christians, as well as the Zoroastrians, and the Hindus as well as the Sabíans and all the people they stole and appropiated from, the essence of the Judeo-Christian teachings, the Decalogue is nowhere to be found. It is totally absent.
Instead what do they have? The exact opposite.
Whereas the Decalogue says,
“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife.” Decalogue 10. Instead they have,
“Those your right hand possess, for indeed they will not be blamed.”
Qur’an 23:1-6.
That’s only one instance where the completely different mindset is revealed.
Western elites and the shameless liars of the media, who are either to ignorant or to lazy to do even perfunctory research, or simply too stupid, or worse still, secret haters of the very hand that feeds them,
(those are true enemies and must be treated accordingly) must open their eyes and recognize the clear and present danger this hateful ideology truly is, and take action to stem the inflow of these people into the West with no intention whatsoever to integrate and become law abiding citizens contributing to their new land.
Infidel says
Let’s hypothetically assume your case that the ‘Black in America’, w/ CRT and everything else, ‘win’, America falls and is taken over by the likes of Farrakhan/Ilhan/Rashida/Linda Sarsour and all the rest. In that scenario, why would they have a showdown w/ Iran? Or more precisely, why would Iran have a showdown w/ them? Or are you saying that come what may, an Iran-America showdown is inevitable until every American is killed or converted to islam?
And stop plagiarizing from ‘Reverend’ Jeremiah Wright
Raja says
Infidel,
Iranians might not have the stomach to take on the US. They are the warriors of islam, always lying, propagating for islam threatening the rest and so on. With their pants on fire (Iranian elites) and with Biden in the helm you can expect lots of war of words.
I remember what Trump had said to the mullahs: Don’t threaten us!!!!!!!!!! we will destroy your 52 historical sites if…
gravenimage says
The idea that only “Zionists” have a problem with rape and genocide is of course grotesque.
Dieks62 says
If you would have any sense of dignity, honour and the countries cultural past, you & your ☪️ ratpacks would all leave both Afghanistan & Pakistan alone and houl your lazy invading ‘dc’ asses back to where you came from! Both countries used to have a thriving mix of prosperous cultures & economies before you rabid dogs & leeches moved in, terrorized and butchered most its original inhabitants, destroyed their economies & diverse cultures and as with all other ☪️ countries , turned both these country into the shitholes they are to date!
Derek says
You are expecting too much out of a cult that is dictated by a book that only promoted hate, rape, plunder, enslavement. How can you expect any morality from such a bunch of haters.
tim gallagher says
Very accurate summary of what islam has done to endless countries, Dieks62. So many countries were decent, civilised countries, Egypt being another example, until the primitive, barbaric Muslims invaded and dragged them back into backwardness. islam is nothing but a load of poisonous, evil crap.
DRLJR says
When Islam re-asserted itself in Afghanistan the people of Afghanistan are/were the one who are/am suffering, just like when the USSR invaded and destroyed the existing culture the people suffered. Islam is violent depraved theocracy (government with a religious component) that is dedicated to forcing people to worship the god Hubal. And when one learns Islam depraved history the ones to suffer are children and females. Until Islam is dealt with no one will be safe. Imams are dictatorial rulers not religious leaders. Look at what Islam has been doing just since the 1500s. There is really no difference between Islam, Marxism, and any other dictatorship.
Terry Gain says
I somewhat disagree. Marxism, as evil as it is, does not claim to be approved by God. What makes Islam especially evil is its pretension that it is a religion. Those who do not think strategically do not understand that Islam’s claim to be a religion is its protective shield.
Infidel says
Terry
I agree w/ you that islam is not a religion, or at least should not be recognized as one for the purposes of the First Amendment. However, islam was recognized as a religion long before the US constitution was written, that that was more due to its numbers and the affiliations, rather than its books containing anything good. Medieval empires like the Hapsburgs and the Romanovs recognized islam as a religion in their constitutions, and had specific policies of dealing w/ it under those assumptions
Terry Gain says
Infidel
When I argue that Islam is not a religion, I am referring to a religion as understood in America. Most of us know that iIslam is a political ideology with certain irrational religious aspects I don’t really care what the rest of the world thinks. America will lead.
I am also of the view that the biggest threat to America now is not Islam but China and the left in America.
Infidel says
Terry
I agree w/ you on that: that the Left and China is now more lethal than islam and the OIC
Derek says
Marxism and Islam have a common goal in sight: destruction of the Judia-Christian culture. Marxism would use any toll to achieve chaos and instability. On its own, it stands defeated. It is now using Islam to achieve its objective – with a silly hope that once chaos is achieved, Marxism would take over. This has never worked in the past and would not in the future. Iran is the manifest example where an alliance of the left and Islamists toppled the government – only to have the islamists kill the Marxists.
gravenimage says
I am *no* fan of Communism–but Afghanistan may have been the only place somewhat improved by it.
Infidel says
Actually, Afghanistan under Zahir Shah was somewhat like Iran under the Pahlevis. But one thing is certain: had the Soviets succeeded, Afghanistan would have resembled Tajikistan or Uzbekistan, and that wouldn’t have been a bad thing
gravenimage says
Agreed.
Terry Gain says
I knew that the situation in Afghanistan was hopeless the moment I heard, I believe in 2002, that the new Afghanistan constitution made Islam the state religion
gravenimage says
Yep. The government of Afghanistan–not the Taliban, mind you–has put *stoning* back on the books. Little for us to defend there now.
11B40 says
Greetings:
Taliban be doing this now or very soonish.
1) Rolling over the areas they can.
2) Feudalistic agreements (kowtows) with warlords they can’t for instance.
3) Low population density areas left to tribalistic pre-history.
4) After things begin to settle, Talibunnies begin to turn on each other.
I thinking that that guy up in the Panshir prior to 9/11 had a pretty good going on up there.
None of these tribes or sub-groups like others very much and there are plenty of diversity going on.
As my father taught me, it’s when the pie comes to the table that the knives come out.
gravenimage says
Pakistani Taliban top dog: Taliban victory in Afghanistan is victory for the entire Muslim people in the world
…………..
So much for the idea that the Taliban and other Jihad groups have nothing to do with Islam…
PMK says
How many Afghans will now seek ‘refugee’ status in the US? Aren’t there Christian communities in Afghanistan? We are planning to bring over 2,500 Afghans (about 700 translators and their family members) to the US in the next few weeks or months. Are those who worked with our forces prepared to assimilate or do they want to set up ‘New Afghanistan’ in the US? Will what happened to Minneapolis happen in another American city?
So much for the idea that ‘we have to fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here’.
Infidel says
Christians in Afghanistan have the option of moving to India: they’re one of the communities covered under India’s CAA law. Anybody who wants to come here instead is an economic migrant, and should be processed accordingly. Already, Sikhs in Afghanistan – their other minority community – have moved to India, and Christians too can follow suit
In a sane world, we should have added Afghanistan and Pakistan to the travel ban list. Instead, we are dismantling that list altogether
gravenimage says
PMK, Afghanistan is statistically 100% Muslim. If there are any Christians there they are individuals who have quietly left Islam. There are no Christian communities there.
You are right that Afghan “refugees” flooding into the west is a serious danger now.
Tokenn says
Bombs and guns will not defeat Islam. What _will_ defeat it is an ideological war that proclaims the falsity of the so-called Prophet of Islam, and the stupidity and viciousness of the Islamic religion. But the West seems to find it easier to throw away uncounted Billions of dollars and many, many lives of our troops rather than simply to stand up and proclaim the truth,
Terry Gain says
I agree completely. These Muslim countries are not worth one American life or dollar. A Cold War against this fake religion is the best way to deal with it.
gravenimage says
Agree–Islam used to be pretty much isolated from most of the civilized world, and we were *much* safer as a result.
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
We in the West are playing the “Islam is too big to fail game,” like we did with the world-wide banking debacle. I for one think we can survive, no thrive, just fine without Islam. We, in civilized nations, need to formally divorce ourselves from Islamic “nations.” The only thing that keeps us tethered to them is a false sense of guilt and Marxism.
Derek says
I completely agree that we can survive and will have to win this war against this Jihad cult. There is no other option. The jihadist – Marxist combine has control of the narrative that the west has used Jihad when it suited it. There is enough price that has been paid. Its all history. Its the question of survival of all the cultural values humanity has still in store. Remember the manner civilisations upon civilisations have been annihilated by this sick cult of Jihad. Zoroastarism in Iran, Buddhism in Afganistaan and numerous other peaceful cultures have all but gone. In South Asia, the Left – Islamist combine is in control of all media narrative and the situation is rather grim.
We have to rid of any false or otherwise sense of guilt and expose Marxism.