Who are those Muslims? Tony doesn’t seem to have given any names. “There is a real fight back within the Muslim world,” he says.
Gee, that’s great to hear. Where is it? Where are the Muslims who are making a theological response to the jihadis’ theological case? I’ve examined many that claim to do so over the years, and have never found one that actually does this. A celebrated “fatwa against terrorism” a few years ago doesn’t even mention the Qur’anic verses that jihadis most often cite to justify terrorism. So whom does Blair have in mind? Do tell, Tony.
Also, numerous people have considered it essential that they ally with self-proclaimed moderate Muslims, and believe that their work against jihad violence and Sharia oppression has no legitimacy unless they do so. Now, after twenty years, what has that gotten them? They thought it would shelter them from the Left’s charges of “Islamophobia.” It didn’t. They thought they would help start a movement against “extremism” among Muslims. No such movement materialized. All they got for their pains was a lot of confusion about the motivating ideology of the terrorists, thanks to the moderates who insisted without evidence all these years that Islam, properly understood, was peaceful and tolerant.
“Tony Blair sees hope within the Muslim world in fight against fanaticism,” by David Cohen, Politico, September 12, 2021 (thanks to Darcy):
Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Sunday that 20 years after the 9/11 attacks, Muslims remain the best hope to defeat terrorists who practice a “perversion” of their religion.
Speaking on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS,“ Blair said, “One of the lessons I’ve certainly learned in the last 20 years is this will only be defeated by an alliance with those strong voices now within Islam who want to retrieve their religion from extremism, and our job should be to help them, and to support them,“ adding that the Western world must make it clear it is not attacking Islam but “its perversion.“…
“The ideology is an ideology based on religious conviction. It’s extensive in the sense that it has a global footprint. It’s in many different parts of the world. It’s grown over a long period of time, and in its most radical form, it espouses this violent jihadhism which justifies the killing of people, Muslims who don’t agree with them, those of us who live under different systems.”
But he made it clear that it was not the religion itself that was at fault. And Blair also said he saw hope in challenges to militant Islamists within the Muslim world…. “there is a real fight back within the Muslim world.“
Check Burry says
Fight back, Im looking forward to seeing this on the News. But not any time soon. Unless the 2 factions in the new moderate (lol) taliban government? start shooting each other, that may be the first evidence we see of change.
He would do better as a comedian of sorts.
mortimer says
Response to CB: as a matter of fact, Crown Prince Salman is indeed trying to create a de-fanged version of Islam. Good luck to him. But he is likely to be attacked by the jihadists for creating ‘BIDA’ (innovation).
The idea that you can ‘modernize’ Islam is rejected by Muslim scholars. Crown Prince Salman is attempting to do this because he can … he has billions that say he can, and he controls the whole bundle of loot.
And it’s not amusing to me. It’s bloody scary. All hell can break out inside the Islamic community at any moment over religious arguments. The Taliban may even develop a plan to attack Saudi Arabia. Osama bin Laden attacked Mecca in the past because he hated the Saudi royal family
Ray Jarman says
+1
Mortimer, as usual, you hit the nail on the head.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, MbS has assured everyone that he must “abide by the Saudi constitution, which is the Quran and the Sunnah”. Not going to be a lot of “reform” in that case.
Then, Muslims attack each other all the time. This is often just power jockeying. The implication that it is all over Muslims trying to reform Islam is mistaken.
Egor says
These people are mad and, a real problem, when attempting to deal with Islam. Islam does not respond well to flip flops like Blair. They simply laugh at him. What Islam understands, even though it might noyt like it, is strength. Until politicians on both sides of the aisle realise that the threat will grow.
Kesselman says
Over the years the threat from Islam per se is not downward spiraling quite the opposite. How does Tony explain this? Like his peers all over at best he displays appeasement at worst he displays a collaboration.
mortimer says
TAQIYYA CARRIED TO THE WEST BY A WELL-PAID DHIMMI MINION !
Tony Blair is being paid to mischaracterize Islam as benign … jihad is the core of Islam and thus Islam is not benign, but warlike. No, Tony, JIHADISM IS REAL ISLAM and Mohammed said so. Mohammed is the expert on Islam. BTW, this is the first time I have seen Blair using the word ‘JIHADISM’ … that means he is fully aware of his deception.
I cannot imagine Blair actually believes this propaganda he is shovelling. He is merely the postman bringing a speech from bearded, robed Arabian potentates who want to convince Western people to love them.
His message is taqiyya (sacred prevarication) and completely transparent to anyone who knows Islam’s core teachings. That is why I believe Blair is lying for his pay-masters. Only the oil sheikhs would think they can get away with this taqiyya. But who has the guts to correct them.
I notice the oil sheikhs don’t say it themselves! No they PAY a notable person to carry their water so they may distance themselves from the lies.
Father Henri Boulad (a real expert on Islam and jihad) has said, “The radical Islamism that has been loosed in Syria and Iraq (ISIS) IS NOT a DEVIATION or a PERVERSION of an alleged ‘true Islam’, whose orientation is purely spiritual and religious. In fact, it is the MOST traditional form of Islam.” – Fr. Henri Boulad SJ.
Jihadism is indeed foundational Islam (the most traditional form of Islam) and it will not go away.
The initiative the Arabian oil sellers are making is meant to deceive the West into thinking that Islam is peaceful and that peaceful co-existence is the Muslim goal. In fact, world conquest is the goal of JIHADISM.
Why ‘must’ we not criticize Islam or not ask Muslims to leave Islam, Mr. Blair? We see much wrong with Islam.
Tony, we live in a POST-ENLIGHTENMENT world, and you should know this better than most people. WE CAN CRITICIZE WHATEVER WE LIKE. There are no more sacred cows in the West, Blair.
gravenimage says
Actually, many dhimmis in the west, who are clearly not being paid, are still in denial about Islam. It is not the case that everyone who parrots this whitewash of Islam is bein bribed.
mortimer says
Response to Kesselman: As of 2021, Tony Blair’s net worth is estimated to be roughly $60 million. Tony Blair is well paid for his TAQIYYA spreading.
Blair is a paid collaborator … a dhimmi messenger. Isn’t it too obvious?
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Quote: “Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair got millions from the United Arab Emirates while serving as the Quartet envoy for Middle East Peace, the Sunday Telegraph reported.
A spokesperson for Tony Blair confirmed the charges, telling the Sunday Telegraph that “The UAE contributed to the costs of Mr. Blair and his London-based staff for the work he and they did for the Quartet role.”
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/233893
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Not very noble of Blair: he is deceiving the humble, little people … the Western voters … for hire.
Daily events of jihad and Islamic atrocities show that Blair is wrong … Islam is not changing it’s doctrines … SOME Muslims are becoming more Westernized. In other words, SOME Muslims have no actual belief in Islam anymore, and they are many of the Muslims in positions of power.
john smith says
Mortimer, I didn’t think for one moment Tony was aware of the true nature of islam, I just thought he’d been listening to people like his half-wit sister (a convert to islam) to come to the conclusion that islam is a religion of peace. Not for one moment did I think he was lying.
But having read the evidence you presented to back up your opinion, now I’m beginning to think differently. I think your right, and there is a damn good possibility that he is lying, especially with all that money he has received.
john smith says
Sorry mean to say sister in law.
mike says
Islam claims the western world lies
Islam lies to it core
The Koran says get your enemies close kill them where you can finds them
Islam blames the world for the crimes they do to the people and the world
mortimer says
TAQIYYA IS NORMATIVE ISLAM, rather than an aberration.
– “Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it … We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream … Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era.” – Sami Mukaram, At-Taqiyya fi ‘l-Islam (London: Mu’assisat at-Turath ad-Druzi, 2004)
– the Islamic scholar Imam Ja’far wrote: “al-Taqiyya is my religion, and the religion of my ancestors… He who doesn’t practice al-Taqiyya, doesn’t practice his religion.”
– Sharia law authorizes taqiyya: “And taqiyyah is compulsory. It is not permissible to eliminate it until the ‘Qa’im’(hidden Imam) emerges. Whoever abandons it before his emergence has left the religion of Allah and has opposed Allah, His Messengers and the Imams.” (Risaalah I’tiqadiyyah471 Sarkodah) 2217
– “…a Muslim can pretend to befriend infidels (in violation of the teachings of Islam) and even display false adherence with their unbelief to prevent them from harming Muslims. Under this concept of Taqiyya, if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith.
– Muda’rat is a Sunni doctrine of deception and another name for taqqiya. Not many people know about the muda’rat doctrine outside the circles of the Ulama or the learned scholars of Islam. Muda’rat simply means flattery, adulation, conformity with deceit, trickery, keeping pace with, to cloak, to conceal or to hide. This deceptive behavior can be practiced with anybody when it is ‘necessary’ … Bukhari reports in Hadith no.5780 that the Prophet said, ‘We must deal with our enemies with smiles on our faces and curses in our hearts.’ Muhammad went on to say that ‘War is deception.’ This deception can be practiced at a personal level as well as at a community level through its leaders and institutions… since all Muslims are at war with unconquered disbelievers.
– “taqiyya permeates almost all the activities and dealings of Muslims with non-Muslim societies…”- a retired sheikh Sam Solomon
savvyone says
Mortimer, would be good if you took your knowledge around the World. That would take great courage, but it is what is needed. We need to SHOUT THEM OUT. From where I sit, it may be too late. They are very embolden in their behavior now, which means they feel confident they have the power to overcome and make their Caliphate. Perhaps you could team up with the Green Prince. I am sure you would draw great crowds.
Ever since the Taliban overtook Afghan, the Imam’s have been huddling. Happens whenever their are Islamic skirmishes.
haroldpom says
In every instance of Islamic imperialism, conquest and colonizing, Muslims were the minority for decades but imposed on the majority, the tenets of Islam. As the mind numbing, soul crushing, dehumanizing conditions of Islam prevailed, eventually each area succumbed to the influence of Islam; majority Muslim populations resulted.
Unlimited Muslim immigration to the West will do what Islamic war did in the past. Stop it now of we are doomed.
Wellington says
Blair keeps doubling down on his willful ignorance. Of course, it’s possible he knows he’s lying to others but chances are he just keeps lying to himself.
Thomas E Nwosu Schaefer says
The only difference between a “moderate” and a radical moslem is…
The “moderats” dont want to get their hands dirty and relye on the radicals to do it for them.
Alex Lund says
Erdogan of Turkey said it crystal clear:
There is no difference between Islam and Islamism. There is only Islam!
He said it LOUD.
What is needed for our politicians to understand it?
Do we have to give them more money in their offshore bankaccounts, are they compromised or are they already converted?
Hiam says
Yeah, that is until the Muslims numbers in the UK reach Level 2 of the Jihad.
gravenimage says
Tony Blair: We’re fighting ‘perversion’ of Islam, it’ll be defeated by alliance with Muslims who oppose ‘extremism’
Who are those Muslims? Tony doesn’t seem to have given any names. “There is a real fight back within the Muslim world,” he says.
Gee, that’s great to hear. Where is it?
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All damn good questions from Robert Spencer. But certainly, the Taqiyya-slinging Fareed Zakaria is never going to ask them.
More:
Blair said, “One of the lessons I’ve certainly learned in the last 20 years…
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Sadly, Blair has learned *nothing* in the last 20 years.
Oren says
I dont believe that the american and european people are good, honest and just, they are only ruled by an immoral gang or dictator. I believe that the statements of their leaders, more than any other nations on earth, are reflective of their peoples beliefs, because they are the ones with the economic power, and military might right now. There are foreign influences, that all the nations and peoples of the world must deal with, to various degrees, but that is inevitable, and like I said, the white gentiles are the most independent, and they had complete dominance over the worlds narrative just a few decades ago.
They still do, consider, almost all of the nations of the world oppose open borders, we are talking like 170 countries, they dont believe in gender equality or fluidity, they certainly dont believe in homosexual marriage, most oppose abortion, most of the people of the world have A much harsher set of beliefs about what should happen to criminals, they have radically different beliefs about drug addicts, sexually permissive women, women with children out of wedlock, capitalism, affirmative action for people less successful than the majorities in their nation and so much more.
Meanwhile you flip on the tv, be it international or western, and you get the idea that everyone agrees with the western lifestyle, multiculturalism, anti racism and leftism. Anyone who disagrees is A total radical, and evil incarnate, for A set of beliefs that over 90% of human kind shares.
Tony Blair is pushing for A radical fix of the same ignorance. He is trying to push the west to the left, and the rest of the world, who cares, in the traditional white ‘imperialist’ position. It is striking when you hear such obvious stupidity and lies, that what we are fighting against is pure propaganda, its the censorship that is in our face, nobody asks A question, nobody says tony Blair is A liar.
But returning to laying the blame on white gentile people. There is the additional factor of them accepting Jewish inequality, that also makes it more difficult to accept rational conversations and policies over race relations and racial inequality, but that to is inevitable, that is the world we live in.
I would argue to you that A big portion of the radical censorship we live under, is justified by the vast mass of white gentile women in america and europe who do not agree to talk about racial inequality or race relations unless it is supportive and submissive to any feelings of anger, and even violence. The truth of the terrible injustice of censoring conversation about race relations, and having A one sided approach to justice is withheld from white gentile women.
If white gentile women were exposed to the true injustice being perpetrated by black, mullato and other immoral non whites actions and national policies, then they would not be able to continue believing what they do, they would crumble under the example, and they would remove their support from the anti unequal. They would not support covering up violence against the more than equal, and the foundation of all the politicians allied with evil would crumble.
There are some caveats. This grand mass of white gentile women, and leftist allies, and non whites desiring to extract as much Jewish and white money as they are able, would easily support censorship. A handful of upsetting examples, and their support would be assured. This put them in the hands of G-d. There level of belligerence, during the revelation, is not clear. Their dissatisfaction with the world of truth, is also not so clear. They might spread poison of negativity everywhere, they may promote non white violence during the transition, and what they and their society needs through it all as far as how drastic of A police state, and how much poverty, is not clear, and probably bad.
The Jews will not work in America. There will be that radical change, along with the loss of the standard of living they contribute. Then there will be the collapse of race relations, with movements for segregation, and white groups that hate America, and don’t want to support millions of non whites on welfare. There could be leadership out of Israel, it will end.
Identifying this unwillingness to think, about upsetting thoughts, and how it is reflected in the leadership of the west, will hopefully promote stability and understanding, leading to A more peaceful and less painless transition into the world of the revealed. In G-d I trust.
Oren says
So which is it, are white gentile leftists and women evil, ignorant, or are they oppressed into only receiving information that perverts them into supporting evil. As in they would be good if they knew the truth? I think people are oblivious to how little lies can have giant effects, especially women, how important free speech is, how property rights are important, how sweet sounding politicians can actually be votes for A 100 years of oppression, gulag’s, and millions of dead. How much of the system can we transcend, versus how much must be bared and fought in the old fashioned way is not clear to me. What we should do about it seems easy, fight for both, truth that is not approved by the rulers and all the baby steps of explaining why leftists should care about justice for white people, and Jewish rights, and opposing muslims. Sounds depressingly hard? Your right, white gentiles and or Jews will probably end up getting A fair share of what they deserve.
gravenimage says
A truly bizarre screed.
Giacomo Latta says
To which perversion is he referring? Is it the Shiite perversion? Is it the Sunni perversion? The Ahmadi perhaps? He should tell us which one, then I would gladly follow him in his fight, albeit awfully gentle for a fight, to support the real Islam.
OLD GUY says
Somebody probably said the same thing about an alliance that would moderate islam a couple thousand years ago they died and so did the Alliance. Sorry Tony don’t see it happening now either. Islam is in it’s being the religious ideology of death and violence against your fellow man and women. Thats not going to change anytime soon.
janwoG says
Does Tony Blair recieve cònsultant fee from one of the Golf state or Soudi Arabia?
RANDALL ANDERSON says
Like the rest of the delusional Leftists, too stupid and/or lazy to do the research, Blair fails to understand that these terrorists are FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIMS….doing as Mohammad commanded of ‘ALL GOOD MUSLIMS’ “FIGHT THE JIHAD WITH ALL RESOURCES, UNTIL THE WORLD BOWS DOWN TO ALLAH”…there are no ‘civilians’ in this Jihad, only INFIDELS who must be CONVERTED or KILLED, following the examples of their false ‘prophet’. Every Muslim is a SLEEPER CELL in this war, waiting for the orders to War by Imam/clerics worldwide. Blair is a SUICIDAL IGNORAMUS…a USEFUL IDIOT.