The family of the murdered MP David Amess has issued a statement which I wish they hadn’t. It expresses a belief commonly shared, part of the zeitgeist in the advanced Western world, the spirit of a forced “tolerance” that tries to suppress all natural feeling or human understanding. Here is a Reuters report about it:
The family of British lawmaker David Amess, who was stabbed to death as he met constituency voters, on Sunday urged people to be tolerant regardless of race, religious or political beliefs.
“Whatever one’s race, religious or political beliefs, be tolerant and try to understand,” they said in a statement released via London police.
David Amess, the “kindest, gentlest man in politics,” as Prime Minister Boris Johnson said, was stabbed 17 times while he was meeting with his constituents in a Methodist church in Leigh-on-Sea. His murderer was a Somali who did not know him. This Somali, Ali Harbi Ali, lacked for little, thanks to his father, Harbi Ali Kullane. Ali Kullane had been an adviser to the Somali prime minister, and was likely given ample government funds which would come in handy when he later moved to England and acquired an expensive property in old Londinium. Harbi Ali Kullane bought a property on a street where the houses sell for at least two million pounds.
When contacted by the police, Harbi Ali Kullane told British media that he was shocked and “traumatized” by his son’s arrest. “I’m feeling very traumatized. It’s not something that I expected or even dreamed of.” Yes, he was “traumatized” by his son’s arrest. But not by the murder, apparently, of David Amess. About his son’s victim, he had nothing to say.
We still do not know what David Amess had done to deserve, in the eyes – the dead eyes, the same eyes as Mohammed Atta had — of Ali Harbi Ali, being killed, but it surely had to do with Amess’ work as an M.P. He was well known as a supporter of Israel. He served from 1998 on as the Honorary Chairman of the Conservative Friends of Israel. He was the driving force, in Parliament, behind the statue that was finally put up in 1997 of Raoul Wallenberg, the Swede who saved the lives of tens of thousands of Hungarian Jews during the Nazi period.
Amess was “regarded as a longtime friend of the UK Jewish community.”
“Although I myself am not a Jew but a Catholic, there is Jewish blood in each and every one of us. I would certainly have been proud to have been born a Jew, and I stand shoulder to shoulder with our local Jewish community,” he said in a speech this past January.
“He always stood with the Jewish community and was a true friend of Israel. May his memory be for a blessing,” Israeli Foreign Minister Yair Lapid said.
Or perhaps Ali Harbi Ali, whose name suggests he may be Shi’a, knew about David Amess’ decades of support for the Iranian dissidents in Europe. It was only a month ago that Amess addressed a meeting of the National Council of Iran:
“One of the proudest things I have ever done in my political career is to support the National Council of Resistance of Iran which calls for the Iranian regime to be replaced with a safer and more democratic government,” he declared on September 6, 2021.
Mrs. Maryam Rajavi, the president-elect of the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), described Sir David as “an enemy of dictators, especially the mullahs’ dictatorship in Iran.”
“For forty years, he stood relentlessly with the Iranian people for freedom and against religious fascism,” Mrs. Rajavi said. “After four decades of full and humble [sic] support of Sir David Amess for the Iranian Resistance and people, he will be remembered among the martyrs of freedom.”
But let’s return to that statement released by the family of the murder victim on October 17:
“Whatever one’s race, religious or political beliefs, be tolerant and try to understand.”
What if one’s religious beliefs make it impossible to be “tolerant” of others? What then? Are we to tolerate those who will always be intolerant, sometimes murderously so, toward us? Muslims are taught that they are the “best of peoples”(3:110), while non-Muslims are “the most vile of created beings.” (98:6). Why would one wish to be “tolerant” of those who see us as “the most vile of created beings”? Muslims are further instructed not to take “Jews or Christians as friends, for they are friends only with each other”(5:51). Don’t “tolerate” them; shun them. The Qur’an is full of such commands to Believers, that they should “fight” and “kill” and “smite at the necks of” and “strike terror in the hearts of” Unbelievers. Can a good Muslim ignore all those verses (as, e.g., 2:191-193; 4:89, 5:51, 8:12, 8:60, 9:5, 9:29, 47:4, 98:6)? And if he cannot, must we really be “tolerant” of those who are taught to attack us, to kill us, to terrify us (Muhammad in a famous hadith boasts that “I have been made victorious with terror”), and in far too many cases, as that of Ali Harb Ali, they not only read the Qur’anic commands but try, as faithful Muslims, to dutifully follow them?
If we really “try to understand” the religious beliefs of Muslims, instead of being satisfied with the assumption that all religions “at bottom teach the same thing” (they don’t) and the comforting pollyannish nostrums about how “people are the same the whole world over” (they aren’t), we will come to some melancholy conclusions. We can’t afford to “tolerate” those who take Islam to heart; they are commanded to think very badly of us, the “most vile” Infidels, and instructed in the immutable Qur’an to do us harm. Some ignore those instructions but, around the world, too many Muslims take them to heart. A good example of this is Ali Harbi Ali, with the 17 knife wounds he thrust into the chest of “kind, gentle” David Amess.
We can feel sympathy for the family of David Amess, but must not let that sympathy lead us astray, cause us to accept their request, well-meaning and wrong, that “whatever one’s race, religious or political beliefs, be tolerant and try to understand.” “Try to understand” – why certainly, no one can argue with that — but once you have understood the hair-raising essence of Islam, you have a duty to yourself and to others not to be tolerant, but to resist, resist, resist.
Derak says
Well to be tolerant is very different from being mutually respectful. Be tolerant can mean to tolerate an evil till you are completely prepared. I would be happy if our societies prepare a decisive action and tolerates this evil till we execute the action.
roberta says
Yes, always be tolerant, and diplomatic. But most importantly, form a committee made up of different religious and ethnic members.
This has always functioned well in the past, and will have continued success.
Second most important: redefine the words ”function” and ”success”.
Prayers to the Amess family. Seems they lost a good one.
Cicero says
The families of victims of Islamic terrorism always rush out the same platitudes “ tolerate , understand, love forgive “. As though they have been brainwashed by the elite and mainstream media to see this “ barbaric political ideology ..” as just another ideology of peace.. They disregard the facts before them in terms of the actions of believers and its murderous well springs.
In the meantime the Ordinary Britons can see on their streets how an intolerant and arrogant section of society is being given access to power over them as The auK hurdles toward Caliph dom
11B40 says
Greetings:
Well, my understanding is that Muslims, based on their Islamic beliefs, prefer the kuffars to be subdued, so non-tolerant probably won’t fly with those folks.
Progressives, based on their beliefs prefer other folks to be drunk on compassion and stupid about “human rights”.
Dhimmi says
Is there a single tolerant muslim majority country?
gravenimage says
Nope.
Infidel says
I’ve heard that Sierra Leone is, but haven’t been able to verify that
Infidel says
An unending tolerance of intolerance won’t end well for tolerance. Which is why tolerance of intolerant ideologies, be it communism or islam or woke racism will see an end to tolerance everywhere it is upheld
To be truly tolerant, we need to exclude intolerant ideologies such as islam, communism and woke racism from the things we tolerate
Raja says
Infidel,
But who will bell the cat? The state should not be in the business of defining what is good or bad (religion or a cult) , by the same breath what is tolerant or intolerant. Then only fascist regimes would survive or might call the shots !
On the contrary, state can identify what is a rogue cult, what is rebellious cult, what cult advocates violence and lawlessness and what cult systematically kills people of other religions, what cult wants all Jews dead so on and so forth?
Infidel says
Problem is that this state – the US – already grants a special status to religions – especially when it comes to waiving laws that apply elsewhere. Latest example being the vaccine mandates, but also including things like waiving dress codes and uniforms for people on religious grounds. So once islam is recognized as a religion, it automatically gains all the protections that any religion has. It’s why you don’t see criticism of islam in political circles, no matter how ‘right wing’ any politician is
I do think that islam is a cult: in fact, I have always described islam as an ideological cult. It’s a cross b/w something like Communism or Nazism on one hand, as far as political ideologies go, and something like the Branch Davidians at Waco in 1993, as far as cults go. It’s an opinion many people share, even while there are some on this site who refuse to remove the tag of religion from islam, simply calling it an evil religion. I’d normally be fine w/ that, except that most of the people who think that religions can be evil are already atheists or leftists, so not much is gained by granting that
James Lincoln says
Infidel,
Merriam-Webster defines (religious) cult as:
“a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult
Islam is certainly not small, however the rest of the definition would fit.
I’ve always personally struggled with the categorization of islam as being a protected religion.
I currently (and, yes, subject to change) believe that islam is a very evil religion – and that all muslims / imams / mosques should be in strict compliance with ALL US laws. Of course, that would make it very difficult for muslims to practice their putrid religion.
How I wish that US entities like the IRS did not categorize islam as a religion. The tax advantages amount to “aiding and abetting” by the US government.
Infidel says
James
That’s precisely my point. For many, the question of whether islam is a religion or cult may be merely semantic, but as we know here, it has very real legal implications. Calling it a religion gives them an undeserved level of reverence, and civilization crushing powers that go w/ it
As for the numbers issue, I agree w/ Ali Sina that this is a logical fallacy. Just b’cos billions of people follow it doesn’t make it a religion. Had Mohammed been around today and tried creating islam in a non-islamic world, he’d probably have met the same fate as David Koresh (this not factoring in RS’ recent thesis that Mohammed probably never existed in reality).
Given the status we grant religion in our constitution – and I’m in no mood for that to change, given that it would created a vacuum that would be filled in by neo-communism, I much prefer that for the purposes of our constitution, islam be re-classified as an international ideological cult, and treated the same way as Communism and Nazism once were. But that can only be done if we stop thinking that it’s only a matter of semantics
gregbeetham says
The problem with defining Islam is that it comes in two instalments, one in Mecca which is the more religious section and the other in Medina which is the aggressive Jihad section but even that isn’t sufficient to classify Islam because there is the Sira which is kept out of the limelight but that is the biography of Muhammad who is the perfect example of a man that all Muslims are supposed to follow if you have a strong stomach.
And then there is the Hadith as well which also is part of the package but overall 31% of the entire doctrine consists of Jihad and almost all of the Medina section of the Koran also concerns Jihad and us the Kaffir; in fact almost everything about the Medina Koran concerns war on the Kaffirs.
I would say overall it should be classed as a 7-8th century expansionist death cult designed for desert bandits disguised and partially sanitized by religious overtones.
Rarely says
HF.
Could you be more specific in what you mean by “resist, resist, resist”?
Michael Copeland says
Pat Condell said it:
“I am opposed to Islam because Islam is opposed to me.”
Jim J Fox says
“Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society”
I just read a webpage linking this statement to politics (extreme right), racism (???) and other unsavoury subjects.. WTF?
rubiconcrest says
Thank you Jim J for reminding us of what Aristotle 384-322 BC said. What have we learned in 2000+ years?
Oskar says
This website should better change its name to Zionist Watch. My comments that oppose Israeli occupation are always deleted but those who call for the killing of Muslims are always appreciated by the commentators. Mortimer, Infidel, Gravenimage, John Smith… you are all hateful and support the evil Israeli zionist entity occupation. Even Iran is better than you. I do oppose Iran about some issues but they still don’t leave Palestinians to death. This website has no right to represent humanity, or oppose Islam and racism. We all know eho is the real agressor on the Palestinian lands.
roberta says
Dont stop there. I would appreciate reading more of your comments.
I am always in need of education on many subjects. Thanks
rubiconcest says
‘….evil Israeli Zionist entity occupation.’.. You have an extremist position which you have justified by slandering people. No one here supports or calls for the ‘killing of Muslims’.
Raja says
Oskar,
I presume you are Muslim because you don’t seem to respect truth with your unfounded accusations. In fact I believe Muslims lie all the time as in India it is said that Pakis lie so much that you can’t believe them even when they are telling the truth.
Do you want me to believe you that Mortimer, Gravenimage, Infidel are calling for killing of Muslims? Really? I am visiting this site since beginning of 2014 and I know how decent they are. In fact your mullahs and other nutcases blurt out nonsense all the time (including nonsense on Chinese virus), proving that they belong to Satan, the father of lies. allah, a bloody god is the author of confusion and you are just a pawn in his game.
Oskar says
“The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim” recently said Infidel.
“Pious Muslims are Jihadists” everytime stresses Gravenimage.
And the contradicting comments of Mortimer about it.
I do not subscribe to any mullah, you can know the truth by searching for yourself, not by blindly adhering to a church, as Christians and Muslims do.
This website names itself as “Jihad Watch.” What about my comments about Jewish Jihad on the Armenian Christians? Where are they? Can’t this website face the truth about Jewish Jihad against Christians?
Infidel says
And the same people you hate have been critical about Israel’s alliance w/ Azerbaijan, albeit w/o connecting it to Jews – either religion or ethnicity, and w/o calling it a jihad, which is exclusively a muslim concept
People have also been freely critical of Leftist Jewish groups like the ADL and others in this country, that have been virulently anti-Christian and secular-progressive
john smith says
Yes Infidel may of said something like that in a post , which is entirely different to calling out for the killing of muslims, No one calls out for the killing of muslims on this site no one, but that wouldn’t suit your lying narrative would it.
gravenimage says
Oskar wrote:
“The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim” recently said Infidel.
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A comment like this would not be allowed to stand here. Citations, please.
The only thing I have found is this:
David says
May 23, 2021 at 8:10 am
The muslims have a saying: The only good muslim is a dead muslim (martyr)
No they don’t. I just made it up. It is true, actually.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/05/palestinian-authority-mufti-expelled-from-prayers-at-al-aqsa-for-not-supporting-hamas#comment-2346596
This poster is noting the loive of “martyrdom” in Islam, not calling for the killking of Muslims.
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“Pious Muslims are Jihadists” everytime (sic) stresses Gravenimage.
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Actually, I have never said this, let alone said this “everytime” (sic). I have indeed noted that JIhad is a core Islamic concept–can “Oskar” show that it is not? Of course not.
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And the contradicting comments of Mortimer about it.
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What?
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I do not subscribe to any mullah, you can know the truth by searching for yourself, not by blindly adhering to a church, as Christians and Muslims do.
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Muslims do not belong to a church–what utter tripe. Then, many Christians regularly question their faith–there is no bar on asking questions in Christianity as there is in orthodox Islam.
Then, note, that he doesn’t say what Christians here have supposedly gotten wrong in the first place.
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This website names itself as “Jihad Watch.” What about my comments about Jewish Jihad on the Armenian Christians? Where are they? Can’t this website face the truth about Jewish Jihad against Christians?
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Jihad is an Islamic concept. The claim that Jews are waging Jihad is simply bizarre. And no–Jews are not waging Jihad against Armenian Christians, or any other Christians. Citations, please.
Oskar says
Doesn’t this Gravenimage knows that Quran was invented by the Jews in order to put the world under Jewish rule. Islam and Judaism have very similarities. Islam is often called universal Judaism. All of the Young Turks members were Jewish-Muslims. This of course makes the Jews Jihadists and criminals.
And continue to delete Infidel’s anti-Muslim comments as you are deleting my comments that oppose Zionist occupation!
gregbeetham says
Oskar said: “Doesn’t this Gravenimage knows that Quran was invented by the Jews in order to put the world under Jewish rule. Islam and Judaism have very similarities. Islam is often called universal Judaism. All of the Young Turks members were Jewish-Muslims. This of course makes the Jews Jihadists and criminals.
And continue to delete Infidel’s anti-Muslim comments as you are deleting my comments that oppose Zionist occupation!”
You are very weird and your deranged comments should be deleted, there is no such thing as a Jewish-Muslim.
The Koran commands Muslims to kill the Jews, what part of that do you not understand?
gravenimage says
More from “Oskar”:
Doesn’t this Gravenimage knows that Quran was invented by the Jews in order to put the world under Jewish rule.
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As gregbeetham notes, the Qur’an is full of hatred of Jews. Why would Jews do this? Of course it actually makes no sense.
Then, Muhammed was not Jewish–he was pagan Arab before coming up with Islam.
Even though “Oskar” claims to be ex-Muslim, clearly he retains the Muslim attitude of blaming everything on Jews, not matter how little sense it makes.
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Islam and Judaism have very similarities. Islam is often called universal Judaism. All of the Young Turks members were Jewish-Muslims. This of course makes the Jews Jihadists and criminals.
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Who calls Islam “universal Judaism”? Just more unhinged antisemitism.
As is the bizarre claim that the “Young Turks” were “Jewish-Muslims”. What does this even mean? That they are ethnic Jews who converted to Islam? That there is some idenity called “Jewish-Muslims”? Who knows?
There were a handfull of non-Muslims in the Young Turks movement early on in its opposition to the Caliphate, but all the main movers and shakers were Muslim. Moreover, once the “Young Turks” were in power they continued the Ottoman Empire’s policy of genocide against Armenians and other Christians and non-Muslims, including Jews.
So “Oskar” has twice claimed that texts and tenets and policies of murdering Jews were actually the fault of Jews (after all, it’s not as though Muslims have anything to do with it…sarc/off).
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And continue to delete Infidel’s anti-Muslim comments as you are deleting my comments that oppose Zionist occupation!
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I’ve already noted that no comments that appear to call for violence against Muslims are allowed to stand here. But just yesterday “Oskar” falsely claimed that such comments were welcomed by Jihad Watch. Truly bizarre.
Besides, “Oskar” has been ranting against Jews here–but now he for some reason seems to be bothered by his being allowed to do so. Again, no rational consistency here…
gravenimage says
I just found something hilarious from “Oskar” on another thread:
“The great verses of our wise book, the Qur’an Al-Karim, about Jews are an example to us humans. Although I do not fully understand the value of the great verses, I know what dirty plans the Jews have come up with. I owe my life to the great verses that taught me what Jews are…”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/10/saudi-arabia-animated-video-for-children-depicts-quranic-story-about-allah-turning-jews-into-apes#comment-2382116
So which is it? Is the Qur’an written by the nefarious Joooooos, or is it a wise book warning about “apes and pigs”?
Really, it looks as though “Oskar” just can’t make up his mind. Really sad…this is why pious Muslims can’t debate…
john smith says
Oskar your mask is slipping, you are reveling your true colours. To start with, you are the most OBNOXIOUS LIAR I have ever come across. To call myself and others hateful, because we don’t share the same opinion as yourself is a lie, and a disgusting slur.
I can only speak for myself on this one, but I have never felt hate in my life towards anyone or anything, and I hope I never will.
I was brought up as a Christian, and Jesus taught his followers to love, I was nurtured with love and I know nothing else.
muhammad taught his followers to hate, and because there is so much hatred in the hearts of many muslim, they will never feel love, never, ever, ever.
Infidel says
Oskar
You might wanna look up the definition of ‘-watch’. Namely, when you have any entity described w/ the suffix ‘-watch’, it’s opposed to the entity in question. A ‘Zionist-watch’ would be a Judeophobic organization, not a pro-Israel site like you accuse this one (accurately) of being
Since you mentioned me (and I’m flattered, thank you!), it’s not just Israel that I support. I support anti islamic forces all over the world: pro-Hindu forces in India, pro-Buddhist forces in Burma and Sri Lanka, pro-Serb forces in Srpska and Kosovo (whatever is remaining), pro-England forces in Britain (even though I think England, Scotland and Wales should be resurrected), and so on. As for the accusations of a genocidal goal, I actually prefer expelling muslims to dar-ul-Islam, rather than killing or even enslaving them. That’s why I oppose what Beijing does to the Uyghurs, since they prevent them from taking refuge in a muslim country thereby forcing them to seek refuge in Western countries. Burma, otoh, which I support, doesn’t care where they go once they leave the country
Speaking of which, since you’re so hung-up on Israel, tell us what you think of China and its occupation of Xinjiang, and what you think about the Uyghurs? Should they have their independent East Turkistan, or should they be allowed to peacefully migrate to muslim countries like Kazakhstan, or should they work as slave labor in Chinese factories? Also explain to us how Chinese treatment of Uyghurs is better than Israeli ‘treatment’ of Palis
Oskar says
China has more rights on Xinjiang, than Israel having rights on Palestine. In the history, Turks always attacked the Chinese, and that’s why the Great Wall of China was built.
China is not murdering the Uyghurs, as Israel does to Palestinians. In fact, Uyghurs are the most fastly growing nationality in China. So how can there be a “genocide” against them?
gravenimage says
More tripe from “Oskar”:
China has more rights on Xinjiang, than Israel having rights on Palestine. In the history, Turks always attacked the Chinese, and that’s why the Great Wall of China was built.
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Muslims have full equal rights in Israel, and have won seats in the Knesset.
There is nothing similar in China.
Then, China is sending Muslims to reeducation camps. Israel is not doing this.
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China is not murdering the Uyghurs, as Israel does to Palestinians. In fact, Uyghurs are the most fastly growing nationality in China. So how can there be a “genocide” against them?
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Actually, China has indeed killed Jihadists, as Israel has.
But there is no genocide against “Palestinian” Muslims, whose population has mushroomed.
It does not surprise that “Oskar” seems fine with the abuse of Uyghur Muslims in China–most Muslims seem fine with this. I suppose it is because they are not Jews, as most Israelis are. *Ugh*.
Infidel says
In Xinjiang, the Uyghur population has been steadily decreasing, in sharp contrast to the situation in ‘Palestine’, where the muslim population has been increasing. So much for your ‘genocide’
Oskar says
China, defending their own ancestral lands against the jihadists is wrong but Israel murdering the Palestinians is okay???
You all hate China to death, because you are Americans, whatever China does good or bad you will always oppose and demonize China with your stupid, Zionist anti-Chinese media.
Infidel says
Tibet is not Chinese ‘ancestial land’, you Maoist! Neither is Xinjiang: it’s actually split b/w Mongol and Turkic heritage. It’s native religions were Shaman, Buddhist, and once they arrived, islam
Muslims won’t demand Qashqar, which was the capital of the Karakhanids and a part of the Chagtai Khanate and later Mughalistan (not to be confused w/ the Mughal empire), but they think they have the rights to Jerusalem! If only Israelis were as numerous and as powerful as the Chicoms
Oskar says
The America in 1915 that tried to help Armenians and other Christians, that told the Young Turks that its ambassador represented 97 million Christians, that America no longer exists. Only China is trying to help Christians in the region; America help Muslims rebuild Mosques. Go to hell, America.
gravenimage says
China is very anti-Christian, and persecutes Christians on a regular basis.
Yes–Americans tried to help the victims of the Armenian Genocide–and not just in 1915 as he pretends, but from the late 19th century through WWI and up until the destruction of Smyrna in 1922. The fact is that the genocide began under the Ottomn Empire, continued under the “Young Turks” and continued further under Ataturk. In fact, most survivors of the destruction of Smyrna owe their survival to American aid worker Asa Jennings.
Note that “Oskar”–who has said he is Turkish Muslim–has not a word of criticism for this murderous coreligionists.
But of course “Oskar” is screaming “Go to hell America”. Grimly common…
gravenimage says
Oskar wrote:
This website should better change its name to Zionist Watch.
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Why? Jews living in freedom is not a threat–Jihad terror certainly is, though.
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My comments that oppose Israeli occupation are always deleted but those who call for the killing of Muslims are always appreciated by the commentators.
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This from “Oskar” is an absolute lie. No call for violence against Muslims is allowed to stand here, and Jihad Watch never preaches violence against Muslims. Citations, please.
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Mortimer, Infidel, Gravenimage, John Smith… you are all hateful and support the evil Israeli zionist entity occupation.
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That “Oskar” considers Jews living free of Muslim persecution “hateful” is very telling–but scarcely surprising.
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Even Iran is better than you.
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Ah…right. That Iran persecutes Jews, threatens to wipe Israel off the map, and stones women to death is apparently better than Jews living in freedom as “Oskar” sees it. *Ugh*.
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I do oppose Iran about some issues but they still don’t leave Palestinians to death. This website has no right to represent humanity, or oppose Islam and racism. We all know eho (sic) is the real agressor on the Palestinian lands.
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Israelis just want “Palestinian” Muslims to stop murdering Jews. The idea that this is “agression” is just grotesque.
“Oskar” claims to be an ex-Muslim–but perhaps he is exaggerating…
gregbeetham says
Israel was the home of Judaism 2000 years before it was invaded by Muslims so there is no excuse for demon worshipping Muslims to be in the Holy Land at all, it belongs to the Jews not Muslims.
Tom says
“Tolerance and Apathy are the last virtues of a dying society.” Aristotle.
Tolerance of Islam is expected from host nations and other religions but never expected from those who follow Islam.
Apathy is the silent killer of democracy and freedom.
Both are prominent in our current society.
That is why we are easily able to be controlled by those who promote a one world order and reset of our culture and economy.
Covid is a trial balloon that has been very successfully implementing ultimate control of populations by fear and division.
Raja says
As a tolerant state UK is an awful example. Her citizens might required to be tolerant but the UK govt must mete out justice to its people, which sadly is lacking for about 2 decades. Where is the rule of the law in UK?
Michael Copeland says
Is Islam tolerant?
“If anyone desire a religion other than Islam never will it be accepted of him…..”
Koran 3:85, part of Islamic law.
James Lincoln says
Consider “The Paradox of Tolerance”.
This was a concept advanced by the philosopher Karl Popper which claims that “unlimited tolerance necessarily results in the destruction of the tolerant by the intolerant, resulting in a society in which tolerance is no longer possible.”
tim gallagher says
Bloody oath, James. That quote from Popper sums it up perfectly. If we are weak and endlessly tolerant when dealing with islam, or say Communist China, they will wipe the floor with us.
gravenimage says
Spot on, James. I was going to quote Popper, but you beat me to it.
gravenimage says
Must We All Be Always Tolerant?
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“Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.”
― Thomas Mann
tim gallagher says
gravenimage, those words from Thomas Mann are as good and as wise as those of Popper, as mentioned just up above by James. I tried to send a comment a couple of hours ago before I went out, but, for some reason, it didn’t go through. I will write down both Popper’s and Mann’s words, which I vaguely remember having heard before, because they are both spot on about this ridiculous level of tolerance that many people seem to display these days.
gravenimage says
Agree, Tim.