This is one of an endless stream of articles designed to make English people accept the idea that Islam is part and parcel of their cultural heritage, and thus concerns about jihad violence and Sharia oppression are just “racism” and “Islamophobia.”
No one will take any notice of this, but just imagine the outcry if MyLondon published an article claiming that a revered Islamic figure, say, Khalid ibn al-Walid, was really an Islamic copy of a Christian figure.
“Little known story of St George viewed as a mystical character called ‘The Green Man,'” by Ertan Karpazli, MyLondon, October 13, 2021:
We all know the legendary tale of St George and how he slayed the dragon, even if many of us find the story far-fetched and very detached from what we really know about England’s patron saint, especially considering that the dragon didn’t enter the narrative till centuries after his reported martyrdom in the year 303 C.E.
Even if the details of how St George, who was born in modern-day Turkey and raised in his mother’s homeland of Palestine, came to be associated with the British isles are sketchy, St George’s Day on 23rd April always provides a good excuse to go out drinking with our mates.
Then again, when did anyone ever need an excuse?
However, there is another version of the story of St George that the vast majority of us chugging down our pints in honour of a godly man who most likely preached against drinking aren’t aware of.
That being the narrative upheld by an order of Muslim spiritualists and mystics, known as Sufis….
Nonetheless, St George is an important figure for Sufis, who associate him with another mystical character mentioned in the Qur’an known as Al-Khidr, which literally translates from Arabic to “The Green Man”.
The story of Al-Khidr is found in the 18th chapter of the Qur’an, which is titled as Surat al-Kahf, or in English, Chapter of the Cave. In the Qur’an, Al-Khidr is mentioned as a contemporary of the Prophet Moses, who is believed to have been alive over 1,000 years before St George was born.
In the Qur’an, Al-Khidr is introduced as someone who God sends to Moses to educate him about the hidden world of divine knowledge. Owing to his speaking to God and all, Moses comes to believe that he is the most knowledgeable among men. So, God tells Moses to head in a particular direction. The true purpose of his mission remains a secret till he gets to wherever he is going.
Eventually, Moses finds himself at the junction of two seas. Where that is exactly is not known. That’s when he meets Al-Khidr, who takes Moses on an adventure, only on the condition that Moses won’t speak unless he’s spoken to. Moses agrees, and follows Al-Khidr on his journey, where the latter is seen to behave in some shocking and peculiar ways. Every time Moses opens his mouth to question Al-Khidr’s actions, Al-Khidr reminds him of his promise to stay quiet. After witnessing everything he does, Moses receives a debrief from Al-Khidr in which the wisdom behind his deeds is explained. Moses is left humbled, and ultimately concedes to not being as knowledgeable as he thought he was. Al-Khidr is not mentioned in the Qur’an again.
There are different interpretations among Muslim scholars about who this mysterious “Green Man” really is. Some say he was another prophet, while others say he was a saint. A wide range of theories exist regarding his background, but in Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine, he is linked to St George.
Palestinian Christians still regularly travel from Bethlehem and Nazarath to visit a church that was erected in St George’s honour. Right next door to the church stands a mosque, named after Al-Khidr. On St George’s Day, which in Eastern Christianity is marked on May 6, Muslims in the area join Christians in their venerations of the saint….
Who knows, maybe St George was just one of the manifestations of this divine hero who has been with us since the beginning of time. Who is to say that Al-Khidr, or St George, isn’t still walking among us today? So the next time you go out with your mates to celebrate St George’s Day, keep this story in mind. St George might just be sitting by the bar ordering himself an orange juice.
Wellington says
There is almost no achievement, legend or even downright fact that Islam will not try to appropriate.
And here’s how I read this “characteristic” of Islam, to wit, it is the ultimate parasite over the longest period of time, just as it is the longest-lived and best disguised malevolent ideology over the longest period of time. (N.B. parasitism and malevolency often go hand-in-hand).
How disgusting but how so very Islamic all this is. Yes, the Islamic world achieved most everything and we should all bow, i.e., submit, before this “fact.”
I hate Islam. How can I not? I “submit” that no sensible and truly informed person (sorry, this would exclude suck-ups like Esposito and Armstrong) can do otherwise.
Put another way and in summary, if you extoll Islam, something is wrong with you. The wrongs are variable and some are worse than others but they are still all consumed in “wrongness” because Islam has sundry wrongs written all over it—and with no ultimate truths documented in its distorted texts, pronouncements and traditions. Yes, this is how awful Islam is and perhaps its very awfulness has been a key to its success all along since Islam appeals to the worst in human nature and not its best.
somehistory says
+100
mortimer says
Agree. Islam is the home of cultural appropriation, including the plagiarism of many previous texts found in the Levant and Mesopotamia that compose most of the Koran.
Islam plagiarized and assimilated everything it found and then preposterously claimed that Arabs invented it all, even Hindu numbers were called ‘Arabic’.
The only thing that may be original in Islam is the JIHAD DOCTRINE of religiously motivated warfare against disbelievers. Jihad is one of the VILEST and certainly one of the most BIGOTED doctrines that exist.
Ray Jarman says
Wellington & Mortimer,
I could not agree with both of you more and it also reminds me of how CAIR and so-called scholars invented the fantasy that Islam has been part of the American experience since its beginning.
gravenimage says
So true, Wellington.
Infidel says
If St George was that, how come he didn’t inspire the English equivalent of ‘honor killings’?
mortimer says
St. George slew a dragon (thought today to have been a man-eating crocodile). May St. George return to SLAY THE DRAGON OF ISLAMISM.
Robert Spencer fights Islam (an ideology) in the spirit of St. George. Islam is an ABSURD and fallacious ideology so it must be fought IDEOLOGICALLY and LOGICALLY.
Whenever Islam meets FACTS and SOUND LOGIC, Islam flounders, sinks and fails.
Islam is an ideological dragon, but we have the ideological tools to slay this slippery monster.
Infidel says
The question was rhetorical, Mortimer. I now get why somehistory got so riled at you
somehistory says
Infidel, thank you.
“mortimer” reminds me so much of another know-it-all, whom I will not name, but it begins with ‘o.’ I recall his “teaching moments,” and his wrong use of so many words, and we who are not mozlum, must not “slander the (fake) prophet,” or we won’t have a future.
He also wanted…still does…to take away much freedom of speech…I’m not to say all those truthful things about the mass-murdering raper of children, nor imply that mozlums are like him.
Heck, maybe “mortimer” and ‘o’ are closer than even I have realized.
Now, he can call me “unhinged” once more. I have to smile when I think of that. After all, I’m not a gate or a door. I think I’m more like the young woman in the Song of Solomon. No hinges.
mortimer says
Anyone who suggests fighting Islamofascism with fascism is unhinged and lacking a moral compass.
Infidel says
And yet, only 2 countries have successfully done it so far – Burma and China
somehistory says
You like to use big words and lack the knowledge of the meanings.
Don’t you realize that you show your true colors when you do that “fascism” accusation thingy?
Throwing insults is what happens when the brain runs out of common sense and real, true facts, with which to argue the point.
Your insults fail to make me quake.
somehistory says
For some time in my life, I had a lot of contact with a psychopath (I didn’t know that is what he was at the time, found out later when I learned just what is a psychopath and thought back.)
If someone told this guy anything he had never heard before, he would argue, dispute it, call it stupid, etc. even to the point of anger.
Later, he would tell the person with whom he had disputed the facts that he had “something interesting,” and proceed to tell exactly what had been told to him by the person with whom he had argued, and if the person told him, “You heard that from me,” the psychopath would deny it, and when that didn’t work so well, he would laugh and act as though it didn’t matter. But, he would also tell others about whatever it was as though he was the originator of the thought or fact or accomplishment.
mozlums are psychopaths.
And that is where all of this appropriation originates….they have to be the be-all-and-end-all in everything.
‘o’ used his time in the Oval Office, when he put his big dirty feet on the furniture, to think up ways to make his mozlum buddies feel special…like with NASA being told to make sure mozlums felt that they were part of the accomplishments, even if they were not …which they were not….wanted them to be perceived as if they were all a part of the space travel, and the many times he said things about mozlums being in the country at the beginning, and that the U.S. is a “mozlum country,” when he knew it was not, and had never been…it was just his goal to make it one.
So because Moses is so very important to the Jews….leading them out and reading to them the Law, and taking them to the border of the Promised Land…and to Christians, as he was a prophet, man of God, who was a “mediator” and to whom God gave the Law that Jesus used to teach the people…so very important in the history of the Bible…
mozlums must take that fact and ***ruin*** it by changing it to fit what they see as making moxlums so much better and special than anyone…even Moses.
And the man St. George, (of whom I must admit, I know basically nothing), must also be taken over. There are so many…Joan of Arc….Constantine…”sign of the cross,” etc.
mozlums should focus more on these things and less on their terror…at least no one gets killed that way.
Being called out would do not good. They would just deny and get angry.
It’s sickening. Allow me to repeat that:
It’s sickening.
mortimer says
somehistory overgeneralizes : “mozlums are psychopaths”. Most Muslims see themselves as nice members of society who try to be kind to others, work hard and pay their taxes. To slander them like this is unacceptable. This is mere bigotry. The counterjihad is harmed by preposterous, venting overgeneralizations like that.
somehistory says
To whoever you are, mortimer, so you choose to call yourself, Looks like you’ve been at the dictionary again…several comments “overgeneralizes” is sprinkled within…must be your new fav word.
But, as usual, you misuse words….like “slander.” Slander is not written and if true, is not slander. Now, see you learned something….unless you choose to disagree; with my correct definition.
mozlums are psychopaths and if you were an honest person, you would either admit it is true, or that you don’t really know what a psychopath is.
Many are doctors…who work and pay taxes….lawyers, who also pay taxes…writers, pay taxes….
Paying taxes and pretense of “nice” does not rule out the psychopath. In fact, being “nice” is what the psychopath is an expert in doing.
I don’t give one hoot how mozlums “see themselves.” How they see themselves is the same way you see yourself.
mozlums don’t try to be “kind to others.” They are, what I would have called them in my teen years, “snobbish” and “rude” and “pushy,” and uncaring about whom they might hurt or offend by their “obnoxious” behavior.
I don’t give a hoot what you think either. It matters not to me what you may believe that I am doing. What is more, you don’t know the meaning of bigotry….because you are one.
But, hey, bigotry is not a crime. Just as being a ‘racist’ is not a crime.
One can feel any old way one wants to feel and you, “mortimer” can’t do one thing about that.
So, go breathe your hot air someplace where it might be appreciated…in the “mozum’ community of which you are so concerned.
James Lincoln says
mortimer says,
“Most Muslims see themselves as nice members of society who try to be kind to others, work hard and pay their taxes.”
Citations please.
gravenimage says
Check out Jamie Glazov’s fine book, “Jihadist Psychopath: How He Is Charming, Seducing, and Devouring Us”:
https://www.amazon.com/Jihadist-Psychopath-Charming-Seducing-Devouring/dp/1642930075
And Mortimer, as you well know, over half of Muslims in the US want to see the imposition brutal of Shari’ah law. And there is no general idea in Islam of being kind to others–most especially Infidels. Muslims who are kind to others are so *despite* their vicious creed, not because of it.
Yohannes says
Muslims who are kind to others are so *despite* their vicious creed, not because of it.
Either that, or mainly because defending and hiding(This is what Taqiyah is) Pisslam from scrutiny…
gravenimage says
Yohannes, those using Taqiyya may claim that Islam is kind to others–but it is rare for them to practice this themselves.
Jack Cade says
St Ge0rge predates the lying looting raping murdering kiddy-diddler by at least 250 years.
mccode says
For those that recall one of the greatest Hollywood epics ever made, El Cid, the slimiest character was the Moor al-Khidr.
El Cid could never be made today, and would never be made today. Too realistic and unapologetic.
Dhimmi says
Much of the quaran is a counterfeit and cruel version of Christianity, no surprise
Walter Sieruk says
The earliest origin of the story of St. George slaying the dragon had nothing ,at all , to do with Islam but it started further back with a blending of the myth from ancient Egypt of god Horus slaying the crocodile and the other myth further east in Mesopotamia of the Gilgamesh killing the horrible monster that was named Humbabai or also translated Huwawa.
The propagandists for Islam really know how lie and terribly distort the truth
mortimer says
Robert Spencer has a good point in bringing up the example of Khalid ibn al-Walid, whom we might compare to St. George in the esteem of Muslims. I know of a Salafite mosque in a large city named after Khalid ibn al-Walid.
Dhimmi says
preparing England for the Dhimmi status
P.Copson says
Apart from the author’s belief that St George “slayed” rather than “slew” the dragon – note the slimy “we’re better than you are” suggestion that his version of St George would be a teetotaller drinking orange juice in the pub.
(In fact, I’m only surprised he doesn’t claim that oranges are an islamic fruit, given that so many are grown and exported from a certain part of the Middle East…No, wait – that’s Israel….)
somehistory says
Now that you have given mozlums the idea….OJ will mean something totally different, and I don’t mean the killer, simpson.
mozlums just never thought about how they could claim oranges, as they lay claim to the Land of Israel.
Crystal says
They tried to claim that Big Ben was Islamic. Now they’re coming for British icons. When will they claim St. David and St. Patrick? Or have they already?
gravenimage says
MyLondon news site claims St. George is really Islamic mystical character al-Khidr
……………
Actually, most Muslims *hate* St. George as a symbol of England.
“Rural council votes to stop flying flag of St George claiming it is offensive to town’s 16 Muslims because of links to CRUSADES”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324999/Rural-council-stops-flying-flag-St-George-claiming-offensive-Muslims-links-Crusades.html
“Race fears spark St. George ban”
https://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/10/04/britain.redcross/index.html
Note that here “race” actually means “Muslim”.
Ecosse1314 says
Before St George became the patron saint of England the patron saint was Edward the Confessor. The crusaders heard stories of St George whilst crusading and brought back a great fondness for him. Of course St George was 800 years before the crusades.
gravenimage says
I realize all this, Ecosse. Thanks.
gravenimage says
Yohannes, those using Taqiyya may claim that Islam is kind to others–but it is rare for them to practice this themselves.