The mass migration of Muslims into the West must continue at all costs. What the Evangelical Church in Germany really thinks it will be getting out of it, however, is unclear. What it will get out of it is more vandalism of churches, and worse.
An update on this story. “Submission in Thuringian,” translated from “Unterwerfung auf Thüringisch,” by Marc Felix Serrao, Neue Zürcher Zeitung, November 3, 2021 (thanks to Medforth):
If you want to know what the Evangelical Church in Germany, EKD for short, is doing these days, you can get a good overview on its website. In addition to the synod, i.e. the church’s self-government, these are mainly earthly issues: migration, climate change, sea rescue and the flood of the century in July.
Under the heading of migration, for example, one finds a text by the outgoing EKD Council President Heinrich Bedford-Strohm, in which he explains what an “open and diverse society” must do to “enable the participation of migrants.” The church representative, who sometimes hides his own cross out of religious consideration, writes that it is “about mutual respect and appreciation between the arrivals and the host society.”
And thus to the Thuringian town of Nordhausen, where an Afghan who immigrated to Germany in 2015 expressed his appreciation for the host society by desecrating a church, destroying a medieval crucifix and explaining to the pastor that Jesus was not God’s son.
The church headquarters are silent
It was now almost a week ago, but apart from a thin report on the website of the southern Harz church district, the Evangelical Church in Germany ignored it. There is also no known reaction from the council chairman Bedford-Strohm, who is otherwise very present in the media. Why?
A preliminary answer can be found in the statement of the responsible superintendent and the pastor concerned. With just one sentence, they condemn the Afghan’s “wrongdoing.” Something like that, they write, is simply not done. The rest is a mixture of transfiguration and distraction.
The fact that the Muslim had carried furniture out of the house of worship reminds the Protestant churchmen of a “late spring cleaning.” The riot, which was mentioned in the police report, was not his concern. “Attentively and patiently, but also pointing out limits,” they want to continue to work on “ways of togetherness.”
Anyone who, like the author of this commentary, not only grew up in the Lutheran faith from an early age, but also within walking distance of the EKD headquarters in Hanover, Lower Saxony, knows this sound well enough. As it says in the song still feared among confirmands today: “Thank you for all good friends, Thank you, O Lord, for everyone, Thank you, if even the greatest enemy I can forgive.”
But the Protestant Church has evidently forgotten that an enemy must first be recognized as an enemy and that repentance comes before forgiveness. It still sees its enemy as a weak person in need of help, even if he has single-handedly emptied and demolished one of its churches. It claims that his motivation remains unknown, even though he himself has declared that Christianity has no place in his world.
The belittling reaction would be comical if it did not so tragically confirm the cliché of a church that stands up for everything and everyone except itself and its faith. Jesus may have preached nonviolence, but when it came to the house of God, he showed a different side. In the Gospel of John, he drives the merchants and money changers out of the temple not with warm words, but with a whip.
Even Luther (“When I am angry, I can write, pray and preach better”) would certainly have found different words for an attack on a Christian church from those of the pastor and the superintendent from the southern Harz. Their reaction, loosely based on Michel Houellebecq, can only be described as Thuringian submission. Such churchmen do not protect the weakest, they make the weakest impression themselves. Those who compare the desecration of their house of worship to a spring cleaning should best give the perpetrator a hand and also carry out the furniture.
The same applies to the church leadership in Hanover. Once again: Why is the EKD silent? Presumably because what happened in Nordhausen does not fit its migration policy message. In it, the foreigner is without exception a weak person worthy of protection. If a native German had robbed and damaged a mosque, then it is almost certain that Council President Bedford-Strohm would have long since spoken out in a worried and admonishing manner. He has just declared that he has no problem with Muslim calls to prayer in Cologne.
The latter would be well worth discussing, as would the Church’s earthly commitment to a migration policy that upholds human rights or measures against climate change. But it is empty talk if the core – the commitment to one’s own faith – is missing. And commitment in this case means defense: not against weak people in need of help, but against self-confident young men who despise this society in general and their once culture-shaping Christian faith in particular.
Wellington says
Much of Christianity has gone into full stupid and destructive mode. Vatican II killed off the old Catholic Church with Pope Francis, fool that he is, being one of many end results of the debacle which Vatican II has proven to be.
And numerous Protestant denominations have “kept pace” with the silly and insipid modern Catholic Church as evidenced by this article by Robert Spencer. Ditto for much of the Orthodox world (e.g., the Russian Orthodox Patriarch, Krill, making excuse after excuse for Islam).
Christianity, an infinitely more decent religion than Islam, is not a suicide pact. But it seems that way presently. Yes, I know there are many Christians with their head on straight and with full knowledge of how malevolent Islam is, but are they enough? Such Christians certainly don’t seem to be in charge right now. The fools are.
John says
You need to join the Capistranos.
spiro says
Their liberalism going to destroy them if it hasn’t
Already
They can’t even protect their own church or culture
Their done
somehistory says
Zechariah 13:6
“And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.”
“And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth. 4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive: 5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth. 6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.”
This ancient prophesy is undergoing fulfillment right in front of us.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Zechariah-13-6/
mortimer says
Muslims are so blinded by Mohammed’s mad, ferocious dreams that they cannot see the great kindness of Western countries in taking them in.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, Muslims see it–they just consider it weakness.
somehistory says
Absolutely. morit should read Mr. Raymond Ibrahim’s book where he explains that point in clear detail.
gregbeetham says
Muslims are full of unwarranted conceit so they actually think they are entitled to anything they want and that we should accommodate these worthless superior beings at every turn because it is our duty to do so.
Ramakrishna K says
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Muslims follow their psychopath prophet & tend to acquire psychopathic characteristics. Pominent characteristics of a psychopath are Lack of Empathy for other Humans & absence of gratitude. They simply don’t feel any debt of gratitude towards their benefactors.
Islam & Muslim mind needs to be deconstructed , if Humanity has to survive the Global Jihad being waged by Muslim Clergy
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Ecosse1314 says
My understanding is that Christ told us to turn the other cheek…but only once and not ad nauseam.
mortimer says
And also to forgive seven times seventy. A challenging program even for the strong.
gravenimage says
The implication that this whitewash of Muslim savagery is indicative of “strength” is very odd.
somehistory says
You may know verses of Scripture, but you fail to understand it.
mozlums, as the psychopaths they are, never feel regret…and we are only required to forgive…an unlimited number, not a literal 490 times…if the person doing us injury ***regrets*** his action and makes an attempt not to repeat.
God and His Son do not ask us to do things even **They** don’t do, and They don’t forgive unless the sinner repents and turns away from the wrong.
We are under no obligation nor command to “forgive” these slime for the wrongs they are doing.
gregbeetham says
In light of the non responded too invasions, aggression, rape, plunder, piracy, slave taking, hostage and ransom and straight up murder conducted incessantly by Muslims against classical European civilization for more than a thousand years the church has always been in retreat and given ground and abandoned their congregations to evil at every step so nincompoops like this guy deserve what is coming in the future as Islam continues to take possession of Europe.
My grandfather was in the trenches in WW1 and often surrounded by the dead, dying and injured (he was a member of the contemptibles) and when there was a lull the priests would come to say some stuff over the corpses but would disappear pretty fast if it looked like it might get dangerous again. He said (on rare occasions when you could get him to say anything about the war) the troops hated them, they called them sanctimonious hypocrites, they also had another saying which was ‘praise the lord and pass the ammunition’ and that’s the kind of unity of purpose we need today, not more waffle and surrender.
somehistory says
Actually Matthew records that it went this way,
“21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not just seven times, but seventy-seven times! ”
That is **not** 7 x 70, but it’s addition. But, by this, Jesus was saying it is in unlimited number…a “perfect” number as long as the person who does the injury is repentant and not laughing it off or doing it again on purpose.
mozlums do evil things over and over on purpose; therefore no forgiveness is necessary.
https://biblehub.com/matthew/18-22.htm
mortimer says
Claim: “EKD Council President Heinrich Bedford-Strohm, in which he explains what an “open and diverse society” must do to “enable the participation of migrants.”
Why must Germany be ‘open’ or ‘diverse’. Germany is just fine as it is and was. The Hitler aberration is not representative of the real German identity.
Kagman says
Right up there with the ‘summer of love’ comment…. Liberals will lie about anything and everything
gravenimage says
Germany: Church dismisses vandalism by anti-Christian Muslim migrant as ‘late spring cleaning’
The fact that the Muslim had carried furniture out of the house of worship reminds the Protestant churchmen of a “late spring cleaning.”
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No, desecrating a church, destroying a medieval crucifix and explaining to the pastor that Jesus was not God’s son is not reminiscent of spring cleaning–it is savagery, especially done to those granting this thug asylum. It is also orthodox Islam.
Bizarre whitewash–destruction is not reminiscent of spring cleaning, anymore than stealing someone’s clothes is reminiscent of doing laundry, or stealing someone’s money is reminiscent of banking.
More:
Under the heading of migration, for example, one finds a text by the outgoing EKD Council President Heinrich Bedford-Strohm, in which he explains what an “open and diverse society” must do to “enable the participation of migrants.” The church representative, who sometimes hides his own cross out of religious consideration, writes that it is “about mutual respect and appreciation between the arrivals and the host society.”
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How is destroying your host’s sacred goods “participation”? And how is it indicative of “mutual respect”? Of course, it is the exact opposite–it is indicative of violent contempt.
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But the Protestant Church has evidently forgotten that an enemy must first be recognized as an enemy and that repentance comes before forgiveness.
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There is no repentence on the part of the Jihadist here. And what about that vaguely referenced riot? It sounds as though other Muslims happily joined in the destruction.
PMK says
The church representative, who sometimes hides his own cross out of religious consideration, writes that it is “about mutual respect and appreciation between the arrivals and the host society.”
When and where have Muslims, throughout history, offered ‘mutual respect and appreciation’ to other cultures and religions?
If the Christian hides his cross, how about the Muslim woman taking off the hijab?
Dhimmi says
But part of the Christian worship is also the Old Testament where God commands the Jewish Kings to make war by all means possible against Cananites in order to fight for a jewish homeland in Jerusalem. The Old Testament was never ruled invalid by Luther, on contraru. I do not see the Lutheran church following the Bible or they have dome away with the Old Testament without making this public ?
b.a. freeman says
yes, God told the israelites to make war on the caananites to take their lands, but it was His punishment for centuries of sin by the latter. God did not tell the israelites to spend eternity hunting down anybody who might have a whiff of caananite in his ancestry to kill the as well. the old testament is a historical record, not a prescription for eternal mass murder. more importantly, the old testament is the old covenant between God and humans; the new covenant of the new testament replaces the old covenant when there is conflict between the two.
the quran, the ahadith, and the sira, OTOH, *are* marching orders for muslims to kill anybody who refuses to convert to islam (and to kill any muslims who aren’t pious enough, or are foolish enough to consider leaving islam, etc.). there is nothing as horrific as as mainstream islam about christianity.
Dhimmi says
In this case, it would be an act of sel defence against someone whi desecrated a church and against a group who already started to wage an undeclared but very real war against Christianity and as you mentioned, it is conditioned by his religion to do so until one side is eliminated. Long before german luthieran church existed , or even before germans were Christians, the oriental orthodox church, the copts, nestorians, asirians, existed, now they are small persecuted minorities in their countries after centuries of persecution st the hans of muslims. We cannot even see a muslim defending their rights. The same fate is the future of German Lutheran church as statistics predict and as Muslims murder them in a more determined way. As the events of that war seems to be repeated today, in Palestine, you are wrong to claim the same imperatives do not apply in similar circumstances
Ramakrishna K says
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Freeman — Islam is nothing but a Club whose members are given open incentives for Murdering innocents for gaining Sex Slaves, Slaves & Vast Plunder from innocent Kafirs.
But what about Christianity. It too was a psychological tool , designed &;perfected by Roman Ruling Classes to enslave Pagan Societies. Romans borrowed Jewish God because, among the ancient cultures, only Jewish God Rewarded Crime with Heaven. By constantly glorifying a Criminal Entity as God, Romans Could destroy the Logical Minds of European Cultures & Imposed endless violence first on Europe & later on the Rest of Humanity.
There is not much difference between Christian Inquisitions & Islamic Jihads.
Dhimmi says
Christianity rose in the empire bottom up, first in the outer parts of the empire and then only in the ruling classes which accepted it only after 4-5 centuries. Christianity was not imposed top down and in nearly every country the peoples converted without conquest. You must see also that a fact is that Europe was by far the center of science and technology and still is, while India is much behind . Islam has been imposed nearly everywhere with the sword, Christianity had spread through persuasion mostly in particular everywhere in the old world. The entire middle east was already christian before the roman emperors accepted the religion
gravenimage says
only Jewish God Rewarded Crime with Heaven.
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What a load of vicious tosh from Ramakrishna K.
tim gallagher says
Many Christians do seem to feel that being Christian merely means being a doormat and simply putting up with whatever nasty stuff is done to them. It is like some kind of contest with some of these Christians, and some churches, to see who can be the most endlessly tolerant and to show how wonderfully virtuous they are by always forgiving the behaviour of these Muslim enemies of Christianity. When it comes to islam, I prefer some of those tough church leaders mentioned in Robert Spencer’s “The History of Jihad” who called out islam as the evil thing that it is. I doubt whether some of these modern church clergy believe in the basics of Christianity at all. They seem very wishy washy.
somehistory says
I agree. They don’t stand up for Truth and the Commands of Christ. I wouldn’t label them as True Christians at all. The Christians in the Bible had backbone and zeal for the Truth and spoke out even in the face of certain death.
tim gallagher says
I’m pretty sure that some priests, ministers of religion and nuns don’t actually believe in the basics of Christianity, somehistory. No doubt, most of them do, but maybe some have lost their faith along the way, which is fair enough. But, to my mind, as someone who definitely doesn’t like hypocrisy, once they realise that they don’t believe in the fundamentals of Christianity anymore, then they should leave their position as a minister of religion and do some other type of work. I used to read some books about the Christian religion several years ago and I do remember reading part of a book by a Catholic priest, I think his surname was Nolan, and he wrote that he didn’t believe in Christ’s actual, physical Resurrection from the dead. To me, that’s about the most basic of beliefs for a Christian. He should have left his position of being a priest. I think the book was titled ” Christ before Christianity” or some such title, but I can’t be sure that is the correct title. I don’t understand the support that Christian church leaders give to islam and Muslims when Muslims are continually murdering Christians all around the world.
somehistory says
It’s a cushy life…paid for “work” that isn’t really work in the sense of getting up and being someplace at the command of another, getting off when that person says, and getting small amounts of money.
Many clergy get a salary, a house and car furnished to them and they show up a couple of times a week.
One I knew…and this was many years ago…got $35,000 a year, a house and a car and his *sermon* consisted of telling personal stories…no Bible verses were read and no application of things Christ did and commanded.
I agree. If they don’t believe what they are supposed to teach, they should stop pretending to the “flock” that belongs to Christ and get some honest work…as the Apostle Paul said, “Let him do with his hands what is good work; if a man doesn’t want to work, neither let him eat.”
tim gallagher says
Maybe that is the reason some of these clergy stick around in the job even after they have lost their faith, somehistory. It is a cushy job. It is pathetic for such people to stay on, hypocritically, doing the job of being a Christian clergyman or woman. I can’t respect such people. Even if you fail at the work you set out to do, or are not much good at it, it is important to be doing work that you genuinely believe in, or honest work as you describe it. Of course, no doubt, some people could lose their faith and then get it back again as they journey through life. Some clergy seem to be social workers or social justice warriors (the current Pope seems to be mainly a left wing social justice warrior to me) these days rather than strongly believing Christians.
Johnny B says
Even though Jesus is our “chief Shepherd” (1 Peter 5:4), priests are supposed to think of themselves as “country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night” (Luke 2:8) and “the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep” (John 10:11). There are plenty of scripture that warns about the worthless shepherds; Zechariah 11:17 comes to mind..
tgusa says
More than 8 decades later people still wonder, how was Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party able to take control of Germany? This sort of stuff doesn’t help to answer that question.
Dhimmi says
It is more or less the entire western Europea , obsesing about hitler is a leftist psichosys. France, uk, Sweden, Netherlands are on the same way
tgusa says
I just see the similarities. Similarities I would rather not be similarities. I agree, there has been no push back.
Dhimmi says
Recently a politician was murdered in a church in uk without any serious conclusions
Mike says
They have fashioned a god in the likeness of man. Bergoglio and many Protestants with the gracious approval of Ahmed al Tajeb have fashioned a syncretic deity for the benefit of useful idiots. As Christians we must say – God is the Word, they believe in other words. Our God Jesus – Logos and their allah are two different gods. Christianity is not pacifism, we have the right to defend ourselves.
Jim says
tolerating violence against Christianity and Judaism by Muslims is a form of condescension. Just the way misbehavior by children or mentally disturbed people is tolerated. Immigrants even if they are supposedly refugees should be treated as equally responsible for their behavior. Otherwise a permanent attack by the Muslim religion will become accepted in society.
Yogi says
This priests wimps including this Islamic pope, should be hang outside the churches for all Christians betrayal, it’s just outrageous what is happening , I wonder if Merkel&CO paying for all. This madness, to cover everything, same like with this Covid propaganda machine …
Proud Islamophobe says
It was a catholic ‘church,’ not a Christian one, that said something so stupid, and that’s no surprise. As for Germany, it’s getting exactly what it deserves.
gravenimage says
Actually, it is not just the Catholic Church that is appeasing Islam these days–you find this from other Christian denominations as well.
Spiro says
As to self defense
Try Luke 22 36:38