Will one of the lauded and luxuriously funded moderate Muslim spokesmen in the U.S. and/or Canada kindly explain how ISIS-K and/or the Taliban are misunderstanding Sharia, and how Sharia is entirely benign and compatible with Western secular pluralism? No? Why not?
“ISIS-K aims to go global to impose Sharia law, says report,” ANI, October 30, 2021:
Afghanistan’s ISIS Khorasan (ISIS-K) also known as Daesh, has said that its hardline goal remains the implementation of Sharia law and warned that whoever in the world went against Islam and the Quran will have to face the terror group’s wrath.
“Our first target is to destroy Pakistan because the main reason for everything in Afghanistan is Pakistan. When the Taliban were here (even as the previous government still reigned), they were saying that we control 80 per cent of the country, but they were not implementing Islamic rulings. That’s why we stood up in we started (ISIS-K) over here in this area,” knewz quoted Nazifullah, a member of ISIS-K as saying….
“We want to implement Shariah Law. We want to implement the way our Prophet was living, the way he was clothed, the dressing hijab was there. Currently, we don’t have much to fight. But if you give me anything, I am going to fight Pakistan now,” knewz quoted Nazifullah as saying….
Most of the recruits of the ISIS-K “are believed to have defected from the Taliban branches in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan, seeking an even more extreme interpretation of Islam with more international rather than domestic-centered goals of ‘caliphate’ control.”
Like others who have joined ISIS-K, Nazifullah said he too joined as he was tired of the lack of truthfulness of the Taliban.
“We kept asking the Taliban to show us a video of Mullah Omar, but we couldn’t get any. That is why Daesh here was created. They seemed truthful and said they were going to implement Shariah Law, so that is why I joined them,” knewz quoted Nazifullah as saying….
Nazifullah, 24, further said that ISIS-K has the ability to wreak havoc on the state of Afghanistan despite being outnumbered by the Taliban, according to knewz. The number of Taliban operatives on Afghan soil is estimated to be nearly around seventy thousand whereas the ISIS terrorists are believed by the US intelligence to be around two thousand mark….
Upon becoming a Daesh, members are sent for training to eastern Nangahar province and Nazifullah revealed that the group has been joined by international cadre of jihadists coming from China, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Iran and Russia….
rooare says
And many non-Muslim useful idiots continue to bleat the “Islam is a religion of peace” mantra. If 1400 years of violent jihad doesn’t convince the Kaffir of Islam’s terrorist nature they truly are imbecilic.
mortimer says
Islam is not ‘benign’ towards non-Muslim kafirs or women. Sharia is very discriminatory.
mccode says
All the world needs is a nuclear powered ISIS-K…..
What could possibly go wrong ?
gravenimage says
Yes–as though it is not bad enough having Imran Khan with a nuclear arsenal…
mortimer says
I have been predicting this call for the ENTIRE SHARIAFICATION of Pakistan for years since recent Pak governments began to up the ante, especially with Pakistan’s ‘Council of Islamic Ideology’ … (a truly chilling name … if you aren’t afraid of it, you should be).
No … once again: 1) Sharia law is DISCRIMINATORY towards non-Muslims and MISOGYNISTIC and 2) Islam is NOT ‘benign’.
Pakistan is going to have an internal civil war over FULL SHARIAFICATION.
gravenimage says
Yes–because no amount of Shari’ah is *ever* enough.
mortimer says
Robert Spencer poses a key question to Muslim apologists and propagandists:
“Will one of the lauded and luxuriously funded moderate Muslim spokesmen in the U.S. and/or Canada kindly explain how ISIS-K and/or the Taliban are misunderstanding Sharia, and how Sharia is entirely benign and compatible with Western secular pluralism? No? Why not?”
Reply: Why not? Because they can’t. Sharia is not compatible with equality, pluralism or modern human rights such as the UDHR.
Only jihad-apologist Anjem Choudary seems to be honest and forthright about the ways that Sharia contradicts Western values.
The other Muslims apologists lie through their teeth, knowing that Western elites will not research the matter and thus discover their hot, steaming, farm-fresh TAQIYYA.
gravenimage says
ISIS-K: ‘Our first target is to destroy Pakistan…We want to implement Shariah Law’
Most of the recruits of the ISIS-K “are believed to have defected from the Taliban branches in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan, seeking an even more extreme interpretation of Islam…
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So not only is Pakistan, with its oppression of women and blasphemy laws and persecution of Infidels not enough for ISIS-K, but the *bloody Taliban* with its slow genocide even of other sect Muslims and going door to door “marrying” 12-year-olds and stoning of women in stadiums is not enough.
Only the Islamic State with its fast genocide of non-Muslims and its using tiny girls as sex slaves, crucifying of children caught snacking during Ramadan, and baskets of heads is enough for them.
Good God, I have no words for how much I hate Islam.
Infidel says
I never thought that IS-K could earn my support, but w/ their threat of dragging Pakistan down in a civil war, they’ll get there
Alien vs Predator
My only hope: that all Christians, Hindus and Sikhs manage to hightail it out of there
gravenimage says
Ah, be careful what you wish for, Infidel. Just as ISIS in Libya is probably even worse than Gaddafi, ISIS-K in Pakistan could be even worse than Khan. But if a civil war just ties up Pakistan for many years and distracts them from waging Jihad terror in neighboring India, it could be a good thing.
Like you, I just hope the few surviving Infidels in Pakistan get out–of course, I hope for this in any case.
tim gallagher says
gravenimage, it would be good to see this loathsome country, Pakistan, get bogged down in conflict between different groups of Muslims, but I agree that the outcome could be an even more barbaric and appalling place. When it comes to Muslim countries, that saying “Hell sucks” seems to apply. I think that Arab Spring a few years back seems to have thrown up some even worse Muslim hellholes. Things tend to go from bad to even worse. I agree with you and Infidel. I hope all non-Muslims can escape that disgusting country, Pakistan. Talk about a hell on earth for non-Muslims.
gravenimage says
Yep.
Infidel says
Graven
I’ll say that comparing Gadaffi to Imran is a tad unfair to the former. Unlike the Gadaffi of 1986, who was well involved in jihad terrorism against both the West and Israel and backed entities like Abu Nidal and Carlos the Jackal, the Gadaffi post the bombing of Libya by President Reagan was a changed man. Unlike other Arab rulers who blew their cash either on palatial resorts in Europe or financing dawa and jihad activites around the world, the post bombing Gadaffi spent his on an artificial river in central Libya.
And after the fall of Saddam, he turned over his WMD capabilities and restored ties w/ the West, owning up and paying full compensation for Libya’s earlier jihad terror attacks like Lockerbie. Supporting the ‘Arab Spring’ uprising against him was completely unjustified, as he had done everything that Western leaders asked for
I don’t think Imran Khan – who’s praised both AQ Khan (who died recently) and Osama (as a martyr) – is anything even close to him
somehistory says
Yes, Infidel, Gaddafi was a changed man due to his realization that someone could and would take him out if he didn’t..
He was a really weird guy, and had supported terror, but after he changed, he had earned a measure of respect for that, not what h cackling clinton did and then bragged about.
I believe she has *hers* coming.
gravenimage says
Infidel and Somehistory, with the greatest respect–I’m not sure how much Gadaffi ever really reformed. Even at his worst–Lockerbie era–probably not quite as bad as the Islamic State, though…
Tania says
Pakistan deserves it, it brought this mess upon itself by aligning with all the Islamist groups in Afghanistan. Afghanistan used to be a lovely secular state, now ruined.
Ironically, this hotbed of extremism has atheists supporting it and claiming Pakistanis are victims. There is an assehole called CJ Werleman who is always creating a victim narrative for Pakistan, ignoring its persecution of Sikhs, Ahmadis and Christians, and its virtual expulsion of Jews and Hindus.
CJ werleman used to be the boss of LoonWatch where he used the name “Danios” and he also wrote at Medium as “J Spooner” and also “J Stubbs” he actually says he combats “Islamophobia” but he does not blame the Islamic texts for that, OH NO, he blames western militarism.
https://cjwerlemanisdaniosofloonwatch.wordpress.com/2021/10/10/cj-werleman-is-danios-of-loonwatch-and-also-j-stubbs-and-j-spooner/
He is one of the biggest supporters of Islamist terror here
Fitna says
Sadly Tania there are non-Muslim and ex-Muslim imbeciles who support this evil death cult, even though they know it’s dangerous to them (or at least they should).
Most likely they suffer from some mental illness as they’re unable to see the larger picture and only see Muslims as victims or feel some allegiance to Islam. Lenin called people like this “useful idiots” as they acted against their own self-interest.
I recall a so-called journalist on Youtube would only talk about Palestinians as victims for example and if anyone presented the Israeli side of the argument she’d delete their posts and block them (including me).
There are a lot of people like this on the Left. Some of them deliberate choose surrender or ‘compromise’ because they’re cowards and have never learned appeasement never works. In the end if war ever breaks out, they’ll find themselves on the wrong side of the wire. We all live with our decisions right or wrong.
Michael Copeland says
But but but….ISIS-K has got it all wrong. Allow well-known Islamic scholar Imam Tony Blair to put them right:
““The doctrine and teachings of Islam are those of peace and harmony…
It is a whole teaching dedicated to building peace in the world…”
— Tony Blair, quoted by Douglas Murray, “The Strange Death of Europe”.
tim gallagher says
Michael, of all the imbecilic statements I have ever heard, Blair’s words there take the cake. Peace and harmony and islam just don’t go together at all. islam has been murderously violent for 1400 years. How someone like Blair could have such extraordinary level of ignorance is beyond belief. I wonder if some rich Muslim was paying Blair to speak bullshit like that. Of course, whenever I hear about how Islam is peaceful, I always think that, for Muslims, it means that, eventually, one day, when everyone has submitted and become a Muslim, then, finally, there will be peace. Such utter bullshit. The idea of islam and “harmony” is ludicrous.
Michael Copeland says
Hear hear. British politicians, as well as American and Australian, have been successfully, perhaps even willingly, deceived.
The Monty Python sketch goes on.
https://gatesofvienna.net/2021/03/islam-western-leaders-are-well-deceived/
tim gallagher says
Thanks for the comment, Michael. I think most people know that Islam has always been a violent religion. I can’t remember who the historian was, but I recall that in a book I read years ago, an historian described Islam as a “martial religion”. Islam has always been warlike and always has been invading countries. I cannot believe that Tony Blair could be so dumb that he would actually believe what he said there. Islam’s “whole teaching is dedicated to building peace in the world”. As I said up above, it has to be just about the greatest load of bullshit I have ever heard. The world is awash with plenty of bullshit but Blair may be the all time world record holder with that statement. I guess that, on many other subjects, he was not as ignorant. He made it to the position of Prime Minister, so, on subjects other than islam, he must have been a lot smarter.
gravenimage says
Michael and Tim, here’s the kind of advice Tony Blair was getting on Islam:
“Tony Blair’s Faith Foundation charity advisors ‘linked to Muslim Brotherhood’ – a group he himself condemned as pursuing ‘values that contradict everything we stand for’”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tony-blair-s-faith-foundation-charity-advisors-linked-muslim-brotherhood-group-he-himself-condemned-pursuing-values-contradict-everything-we-stand-9259397.html
Walter Sieruk says
Those ISIS jihadist/Muslims with their Sharia. It should be made known that the actual origin of Sharia law is revealed in a Time –Life book with the title MESOPOTAMIA: THE MIGHTY KINGS copyright 1995. The point is this history book about the ancient pagan world of Mesopotamia informs the reader that “many Islamic laws resemble the Babylon and Assyrian forebears.” .page 150.
There is the above and other references imply that such pagan teachings were incorporated into the religion that Muhammad manufactured and then started.
Thus this further reveals that a lot of ancient paganism is part of the whole religion of Islam.
In other words, ancient paganism makes up much of Islam. Therefore Islam with its Sharia are a hoax .
Walter Sieruk says
The jihadist of ISIS want more than just to rule Pakistan they want the entire Middle East and then the Western nations. Some people might wonder where they get all their Islamic zeal ?
The answer to that question was provided in a speech by the ISIS spokesman, Abu Muhammad al Adnani, now dead, in this speech he had declared “True defeat is a loss of willpower and desire to fight…” he further explained “We would be defeated and you victorious only if you are able to remove the Qu ‘ran from Muslim hearts.” All this leads to a very important question: “Is the Qu ‘ran the Word of God or is it a fabrication of a man. Thus, is the Quran the truth or a fiction and a hoax ?” The jihadists, as those of ISIS use many verses from the Qu ‘ran as the main source of justification for their violence, mayhem and murders.
As found in For example, 2:191.. 4:47 5:33. 9:5,111,123. 47:4 The answer is clearly given on pages 145 through 157 in THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey in which he wrote a section on the Qu ‘ran with its self-contradictions. Just two of the many he cited are the following “The Quran differs on whether a day is a thousand years or fifty thousand years in God’s sight’ and “Who was first to believe? Abraham or Moses [Sura 6:14 versus 7:143]? The above is inconsistent and illogical. Further, Morey wrote about “The fact that Judaism and Christianity broke up into different sects was used in the Qu‘ran to prove that they are not of God [Suras 30:20-32. 42:13, 14]. Yet Islam has broken up into many warring sects and therefore cannot be true if the Qu ‘ran is right.” Moreover, Morey in his book shows many more contradictions and absurdities in the Quran, there are and how Muhammad incorporated extra Biblical and Jewish folklore along with pre-Islamic Arabian myth and parts of Zoroastrian and Hindu stories into the Qu ‘ran.
Furthermore, the Muslims claim that “the Qu ‘ran is the direct, literal word of God unmodified in any way by the Prophet who uttered them at the bidding of God.” Nevertheless, in the book UNVEILING ISLAM by Ergun Mehmet and Eethi Caner has shown that the Qu’ran was modified in the following account on pages 45. “Muhammad felt the need to improve on the words of Allah, since he changed Allah’s wisdom for his own on several occasions. A hadith tells of the nonchalant emendations of Muhammad:’ On a number of occasions he [a scribe] had, with the Prophet’s consent changed the closing words of verses. For example, when the prophet had said ‘God is mighty and wise ‘ Adbollah b. Abi Sarh suggested writing down ‘Knowing and wise’ and the Prophet answered that there was no objection. Having observed a succession of changes of this type, Adbollah renounced Islam on the grounds that revelations, if from God could not be changed at the prompting of a scribe such as himself. After his apostasy he went to Mecca and joined the Qorayshites.’ Other writers reveal that later Muhammad and his people did go war with the Qorayshites and he personally killed Abdollah. Obviously Abdollah knew too much and Muhammad wanted Abdollah’s knowledge to die with him.”
In conclusion, the Qu ‘ran, which is the foundation for ISIS, is not only a fiction, it’s also a hoax.
It also should be added that since the Qu,ran has been proven to be a hoax ,as seen above ,this exposes the entire foundation of and for ISIS ,which is the Qu’ ran , then this means that the jihadists of ISIS have taken up a stand for a bad cause. To be more clear and specific a very bad cause.
The Bible instructs “Do not stand up for a bad cause.” Ecclesiastes 8:3. [N.I.V.]
Wellington says
Muslims going after other Muslims when they’re not going after the non-believer. Uh-huh. All of which helps to prove (N.B., there are many other “helps” proving the malignancy which is Mo’s creed) the utter sickness of Islam and why the only proper stance towards it is to utterly despise it and seek its effective eradication from the Earth.
I have become convinced that an intrinsic part of any getting rid of the menace to mankind which is the pathologically sick ideology which is Islam is mass defection from this foul creed by hundreds upon hundreds of millions of Muslims. Such people need to wake the eff up. Minus this “development,” I don’t see how mankind can ultimately prevail over this nuclear ideological Armageddon which is the longest-lived malevolent ideology, secular or religious, in man’s history.
Raja says
I have all along been wishing and saying that all these Islamic hellholes will naturally and eventually suffer like the Ottoman empire. Even nature cannot stand the Islamic atrocities on humans, unless some foolish Western leader lends a helping hand and drags the inevitable.
Pakistan, which means the land of pure, is known for its gory Islamic designs, deserves to collapse as most wise in JW have wished. Vast majority of Islamic population have the habit of discussing who is a better Muslim. e.g. when former Indian president Abdul Kalam died Muslims communities were discussing how he was not enough Muslim. Like Gravenimage has said, no amount of Sharia is enough for Sharia states/Muslims, which means that the best Sharia states will go into oblivion at some point because they must collapse from within. That seems to be the law of nature, even the supernatural won’t come to its rescue but foolish might.
Namer says
ISIS-K just wants Pakistans Nukes. If that happens maybe the world will finally get sick of terrorism.
Lenny Leaps In says
Guys. Can we see now why the American taxpayer has over the years donated billions of dollars to prop up Pakistan? Never mind that this hard-won money is desperately needed to help the millions of the US poor. The first use of the money is to provide cash to fund the Pakistan military to protect the Government (thus the country). The world cannot afford to have Pakistan to fall to extremist Sharia law. I recall the Iranian Revolution of 1978 when Iran fell to Shiite nutters; Shiite Islam only accounts for under 10% of the world’s Muslims. About 90% of the world’s Muslims are Sunni (Pakistan’s strain).