“I can’t think of a single example of somebody who already had British citizenship converting here with us from Islam to Christianity.”
That tells you all you need to know right there.
“Concerns migrants are faking religious conversions at Liverpool Cathedral to help asylum claims,” by Martin Evans, Telegraph, November 16, 2021 (thanks to SW):
Concerns have been raised over the role Liverpool Cathedral has played in helping asylum seekers convert to Christianity in order to help their applications.
Hundreds of Muslims – including suicide bomber Emad Al Swealmeen – have been welcomed into the Church of England in recent years after completing a short five-week course at the city’s Anglican cathedral.
But critics have questioned how many of those converting have done so in order to help their asylum applications with the Home Office.
If an applicant can show they are a committed Christian it could help their claim to stay in the UK because their faith might mean they are more at risk if forced to return to their home country.
Converting to Christianity is also evidence of the applicant’s success in integrating into Western society.
Counter terror police are continuing to examine the background of Swealmeen who blew himself up outside Liverpool Women’s Hospital on Remembrance Sunday.
It has now emerged that the 32-year-old from Iraq converted to Christianity at Liverpool Cathedral three years after arriving in the UK in 2014.
Detectives have said they are yet to establish a motive for the attack which took place a short distance from the cathedral as a Poppy Day service was taking place.
But questions have been raised over the ease with which asylum seekers are able to exploit the cathedral’s services in order to assist with their application.
Officials from the cathedral, which hosts regular services for Muslim worshippers considering changing faith, has also supported asylum applications for a number of people seeking to remain in the UK.
But even those involved with the process have acknowledged that not all those seeking to convert are genuine.
Mohammad Eghtedarian, himself a Muslim convert who was later ordained and served as a curate at Liverpool Cathedral warned in 2016 that some people were pretending to convert in order to exploit the system.
‘There are many people abusing the system’
He said: “I do understand there are a lot of mixed motives. There are many people abusing the system – I’m not ashamed of saying that.“But is it the person’s fault or the system’s fault? And who are they deceiving? The Home Office, me as a pastor, or God?”
The Rev Pete Wilcox, a former Dean of Liverpool, also said at the time: “I can’t think of a single example of somebody who already had British citizenship converting here with us from Islam to Christianity.”
Converts at Liverpool Cathedral have to attend a five-week baptism course and are expected to attend church services before it starts.
Sam Ashworth-Hayes, director of studies at the Henry Jackson Society, said the Home Office must look into the issue as a matter of urgency.
He said: “We know that people are willing to lie to win asylum up to and including faking religious conversions. This is incentivised by the asylum system, which does not do enough to root out fakes….
Check Burry says
These religious guys running this cathedral are gullible.
Eva says
No, they’re stupid and sloppy, criminally so, in this case.
And don’t overlook the role of their egos either.
fadeye@yahoo.com says
Gullible, stupid and complicit, I would say!
b.a. freeman says
Check, U have to remember that some of the leaders of this “church” don’t think that Jesus was divine (if that were true, then why are these idiots in the church at all?!!?). they also get money from the government to run the “church,” so if the local congregation is seen as growing, it – and its leaders – will get more money. thus, i figure that they’re not gullible, they’re just greedy and short-sighted. if mr. eghtedarian is truly a christian, not just anglican (the latter does *NOT* guarantee the former!), i hope he changes his denomination!
BTeboe says
War is deceit. Islam is full of lies and encourages lying at all levels to all people.
b.a. freeman says
+1
Infidel says
The Anglican Church should make evangelizing their Church in Afghanistan and Pakistan one of the first missions of these applicants, and a pre-requisite for the conversion. That should take care of the bulk of these cases ?
b.a. freeman says
*excellent* suggestion!
Jesus said, “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” (john 15:13). he also said, when asked what the greatest commandment from God was, that U should love God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind (matthew 22:37), and added that the second most important commandment was to love your neighbor as U love yourself (matthew 22:39).
that alone should make any christian who truly understood how evil islam is – as any convert from islam should – want to do all that he could to help his former neighbors and friends, who are trapped in the evil web of the psychopath muhammed. and bring them to Jesus. If he is killed for his efforts, he will have stored up great treasure in heaven, and may even cause some of his former friends to re-evaluate islam and leave it.
i’m not holding my breath!
somehistory says
From the “pastor”: ““But is it the person’s fault or the system’s fault? And who are they deceiving? The Home Office, me as a pastor, or God?”
He needs to do some further “study” of Christianity and get to know God and Christ even better.
“God” is never “deceived.” God and Jesus Christ can read the heart of a person, God “sees what the heart is,” knows them so well, the Bible says They “examine the kidneys,” and can “read the intentions of the heart.”
No “system” set up by man is going to be perfect because man is imperfect. So each “system” set up by man is flawed in some way, many like this one, very flawed.
And, each individual will be “judged” by God for what he/she does, not what the “system” allowed them to get away with. The fault for the deceit is fully on the one lying.
The fact that mozlums are using the “system” to get in a position to murder and rape and cause mayhem, is no surprise. Not only did isis instruct mozlums to do this, the infamous ‘bo’ did the same in order to be “elected” as president.
“bo” is not a Christian, but pretended to be one as he was told he would never be elected president because of being mozlum….so he went to “church”….not a Christian congregation by any stretch of anyone’s imagination…and made a pretense of knowing the Bible, which he mocked and disobeyed…liars are warned and condemned…by lying so many times it became somewhat of a joke, an unfunny joke.
Now, the mozlums going to that church in the U.K. are finding it easy to pretend to “convert” and pretending is not the same as converting. It’s kind of like lip syncing which isn’t really singing…only pretending conversion is so much worse than what millie vanilla did, and was condemned for doing.
b.a. freeman says
somehistory, my understanding was that the pastor (eghtedarian) was pointing out that the fakes know that they are fooling the home office, and perhaps, on occasion, him as a pastor, but that God is never deceived. the rest of your post is spot on!
+1
somehistory says
b.a,
You might be right, and thanks.
somehistory says
As a side note; There is a “charity” in a certain city. The “leader” is a “pastor”…and has many paid helpers who make a big production of collecting…furniture (used or new), clothing, and other necessary things, from the community for the poor, and at Christmas, urges givers to include toys in their donations.
They get a whole lot of stuff. But, before it is given out to those in “need,” the “workers”…all supposed to be Christian and caring…go through the stuff and take what they want; which means they get the new, and the best of the old things, and the “poor” get the leftovers.
The “pretense” of being Christian goes all the way back to Bible times. The Apostle Peter had to confront a certain married couple for their lying pretense (Book of Acts of the Apostles, chapter 5). It didn’t turn out well for these two liars. And it never will turn out well for persons of this sort.
b.a. freeman says
+1
Mischief Maker in the Land says
Perhaps every convert should be required to be videoed burning a Qur’an.
somehistory says
And condemning the fake ‘prophet’ for all of his evil deeds he is said to have done.
Infidel says
That may be allowed under taquiyya carveouts. No, the best solution is what I put above: tell them to go forth and spread the word of Mr Christ to the heathens in Lahore, Abbotabad, Peshawar, Jalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalabad (as Rush Limbaugh used to call it during Operation Enduring Freedom), Kabul, Ghazni, Kandahar, Khowst, Ghowr, Herat, Kunduz and so on
That way, if they are pretenders, they’d have to report back to headquarters that this is their assignment, and so now their IS-K or al Qaeda handlers are in a pickle. If they are for real, they have to get their citizenship first before they’re allowed to convert, if it’s too dangerous for them
somehistory says
The only sure-fire way is to let God settle it, but there are verbal tests that they would have to know before I personally would accept that they were being truthful. Things that the *real* Christian makes an effort to lean and understand, and which pretenders don’t.
mozlums say they want death, but they’ll try to stay alive as they kill others…that’s one reason they have their kids go out and set off vest bombs.
so, they could be sent into Nigeria with a cross around their necks…at least, they would be told that that’s going to happen because mozlums there are killing off all the Christians and someone needs to go in and do some preaching to build up the congregations of Christians who are under threat. And they would be reminded that True Christians are willing to go where they are sure to be killed in order to “preach the good news about Christ.”
Their reactions to these orders would say a whole lot about whether or not they were for real “converting.”
Pretense only goes so far….as we can see in the case of “bo.” He pretends and some have believed him, or said that they do, but some of us know enough to recognize a fraud when we hear it and he’s a fraud.
There were probably signs with this phony before he set off his bomb…the people just wanted to believe him, so they did.
Green Infidel says
I remember, around 2015-16, reading about lots of “refugees” in Germany “converting to Christianity”…. Now it all makes sense?!
gravenimage says
This may be the story, Green Infidel:
“Muslim refugees are converting to Christianity in Germany”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/muslim-refugees-converting-to-christianity-in-germany-crisis-asylum-seekers-migrants-iran-afghanistan-syria-eritrea-a7466611.html
I wonder how many of them were sincere?
tim gallagher says
I have always thought that, if our non-Muslim countries do say to Muslims, nope, we have woken up to islam and we’re not having any more Muslims, then you would get these phony conversions by Muslims to Christianity. Muslims lie effortlessly, they are so well practised at the lying caper. You just can’t ever trust most of them and I would probably not believe 99% of Muslims who claim that they have converted to Christianity. I bet the Hungarians and the other Visegrad bloc countries won’t be buying any of this bullshit from Muslims about how they are now Christians and should be let into those countries. In most western countries, our authorities are so unbelievably gullible. They fall for almost any lies. THe supposed Muslim converts to Christianity would be laughing at the gullible people who have believed what they have told them.
OLD GUY says
Who would have thought that muslim/islamic followers would LIE. They are the same snake in the tree that Eve fell for. This muslim-islamic migration is the invasion of evil throughout the world with the help of our gullible political and religious leaders. All you have to do is look at the Muslim-Islamic countries right now to see that they don’t allow migration of non-islamic people or even the importing of Christian or other religious books or items. Many of these islamic countries have killed or driven out the non-islamic people from their countries. You will also see that most of these Muslims won’t even allow refugees from other Muslim or Islamic countries. So why in the hell do we allow this invasion to take place in non-islamic countries?
Alfredo says
The proof is in the pudding my dears.
Have you heard of Taqiyya? Whatever furthers jihad against the abominable Kafirs is permitted for the Mumineen.
“Allah has already ordered for you the dissolution of your oaths.”
Qur’an 66:2
Crystal clear. Only those who are willfully blind can claim they are “looking for the motive.”
It is well known to those who are not hoodwinked by Taqiyya that too many Abdallahs are using deception to gain refugee status in loathed Dar al-Harb.
“Allah has purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden of (Paradise): they fight in His cause, slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law. the Gospel, and the Qur’an: and who is more faithful than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” Qur’an 9:111
Hank says
“But is it the person’s fault or the system’s fault? And who are they deceiving? The Home Office, me as a pastor, or God?”
The obvious answer is they are deceiving anyone who is Islam-illiterate.
Taqiya is a must in Muslim – Infidel relations. It is dictated in the Quran. Can’t argue about that. Infidels need to read RS books to get a grip on what they are dealing with.
David Foot says
The guys running the Church, the Crown, the Cabinet, the RNLI, the Border Farce etc. are all Marxists and are doing the job of our enemies “fixing it” for our enemies. These people who are supposed to be managing our State have brought in hordes of invaders, many of whom want to kill us and force us to obey THEIR law (hence invaders NOT immigrants)
Boris even protects the colonizer of London Sadiq Khan who with his BLM Marxists attacked our DEAD HEROES on their grave the Cenotaph
Boris DOESN’T protect the teacher of Batley who can’t do is job, he hasn’t got freedom to teach, he hasn’t got freedom of speech, only the Moslem terrorist invaders who threaten him have those things and in this way Boris has imposed Sharia Law in Batley!
So should we be suprised that the Church of Marx which cancels Churchill should help the Moslem terrorist invader?
gravenimage says
UK: Concerns Muslim migrants faking conversions at Liverpool Cathedral to help asylum claims
“I can’t think of a single example of somebody who already had British citizenship converting here with us from Islam to Christianity.”
That tells you all you need to know right there.
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*Deeply* disturbing. This is where this leads:
“UK: Liverpool ‘Christian’ jihad suicide bomber was at mosque ‘all day every day’ in weeks leading up to attack”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/11/uk-liverpool-christian-jihad-suicide-bomber-was-at-mosque-all-day-every-day-in-weeks-leading-up-to-attack
ceres says
Stop being suckers. Don’t let muslims in in the first place. Letting them in risks our children’s freedom, equality and safety.