This is in line with the concept of “Islamophobia” as an irrational “fear” of Islam. This “Islamophobia,” you see, leads the poor jihadis to lash out violently. Poor lambs! If only we had been more understanding!
“Strasbourg: opposition denounces ‘shocking victimization of terrorists’ by EELV town hall,” translated from “Strasbourg : l’opposition dénonce une “victimisation des terroristes choquante” par la mairie EELV,” Valeurs Actuelles, November 30, 2021 (thanks to Medforth):
Are the judiciary and the state creating Islamist terrorists? A polemic flared up in Strasbourg after the municipal opposition denounced the organization of a conference for city employees, as reported by L’Opinion. The reason was a webinar entitled “The victories of Daesh: when our fears produce terrorism.” The fact that this training was led by Parisian lawyer Marie Dosé raises questions. In her latest book, Les Victoires de Daech (Plon), the lawyer denounces “the counter-productive nature of legal and political responses which, far from weakening terrorism, could rather help to revive it”, the presentation email for the conference details.
“The victories of Daesh are first and foremost the failures of our republic,” the document said. The opposition condemned a “shocking victimization of terrorists” and a “political and ideological postulate” that has no place in the training of municipal officials. It “makes the terrorists victims of the state. It gives the impression that you have to distrust state politics and the judiciary more than the radicals,” Pierre Jakubowicz (Agir) said to the newspaper “L’Opinion”. “This is the opposite of what the republican spirit of public policy should be,” agreed Rebecca Breitman (Modem).
Green mayor Jeanne Barseghian did not respond to the public debate until Tuesday November 30. It is not the first controversy the mayor has faced, as reported by L’Opinion. She had already been denounced once for granting a subsidy to a mosque close to a Turkish cultural association, which the government considered “against the values of the Republic”.
Wellington says
There is something even larger going on here, which as long ago as the 16th century Michel de Montaigne addressed and which the great present author, Victor Davis Hanson, has addressed as well (and arguably this “matter” goes as far back to Western antiquity itself), to wit, there is a self-criticism, even a self-hate, that is a major feature of the Western tradition.
This is quite arguably wrapped up with Western Civilization not only producing the most productive civilization of all time—invention of philosophy via the Milesian School, the invention of democracy via such luminaries as Solon and Cleisthenes, the development of the scientific method (N.B., no other civilization achieved this), the creation of the greatest technological advancements by any measure which far outdistance any other civilization, the exploration of women’s rights as no other civilization has, the capacity to apologize for past wrongdoings as no other civilization or society has, et al.
It’s almost as though the very greatness of Western Civilization has a downside to it, i.e., there must be something wrong with the West to have achieved so much while no other civilization has. Hence, the self-criticism, even the self-hate. It’s almost as though it represents an “embarrassment of riches.”
Not sure of the cause. But I am certain that Western Civilization is easily, and I mean EASILY, the greatest civilization of all time. Guess it comes at a price though I would argue the guilt trip shouldn’t.
Know this much: the authoritarians of the world, the Islamic sphere of mankind and Western Leftism don’t give a damn about this “matter” except to the extent they can superficially and erroneously dismiss it all the while taking advantage of it. Parasites all. You bet.
Eleanor says
TPS (Tall Poppy Syndrome) at work here Wellington. Oh, and also WCE (Western Civilisation Envy). It’s ironic that they are trying to destroy the very structure which educated them.
gravenimage says
Self criticism can and often has been productive–both personally and societally.
Self hatred? Not so much. This is perverse and ultimately very destructive.
The line between the two can sometimes be difficult to discern, but ultimately they are quite different, both in intent and results.
James Lincoln says
Very true, gravenimage.
The appropriate amount of self-criticism, within limits, can be very beneficial.
Post-World War II, Japan has embraced continuous process improvement.
It is now commonly referred to as “The 4 Principles of Kaizen”
“The following principles provide the “How to” for Kaizen.
Every process can be improved. Kaizen thinking is based on the idea that even a process that produces acceptable outputs can be improved. Waste reduction is an excellent example. A process may have amazing results, but if it uses more resources than are needed to provide value to the customer, it should be a target for improvement.
Defects and process failures are usually the results of imperfect processes, not people. It is easy to blame people for problems, but closer inspection often reveals that problems were inevitable because the design of the process was flawed.
Every person in the organization must have a role in improvement. Kaizen is all about employee inclusion in improvement and problem-solving. The people closest to your customers, processes, and products are in the best position to identify opportunities for improvement.
Small changes can have a significant impact. It is not necessary to implement revolutionary change to improve. Instead, the Kaizen mentality is about noticing and resolving minor impediments on the path to perfection.”
https://blog.kainexus.com/improvement-discipline/kaizen/kaizen-the-japanese-approach-to-continuous-improvement
gravenimage says
Agreed, James. And I had heard of Kaizen, but had not looked closely into it. This sounds like the sort of approach I was talking about, though. Thanks for the link.
somehistory says
In the U.S., g. soros is funding this sort of *thinking*….by getting “progressive” DA’s elected…guys and *dolls* who want criminal gangs roaming the streets instead of being in the prisons and jails where they belong due to having broken numerous laws. Fair laws, such as don’t murder, rape, steal, attack and abuse, are broken and soros funded people who would fight on the side of the criminals committing illegal actions, lowering bail or even failing to bring charges against the criminals.
If only a criminal could steal up to 1000$ of merchandise at one time, and not be arrested or charged with theft, that would be fair because they *need* stuff.
This is the kind of evil that allowed the *alleged* murderer of at least 6 people, by use of an SUV, to plow, swerving and zig-zagging, into the parade in WI.
Now, this idiot…was she also *funded* by soros or someone with a like intent?
This is so very similar to the old laws on rape…the ones that blamed the victims for how they dressed, or walked, or where they were, or they made the rapist upset, or they had dated a bunch of different guys, or had been married and divorced….and gave the rapist the benefit of the doubt…that he wouldn’t have raped if “she hadn’t asked for it.”
Now, we won’t be terrorized if we don’t fear being killed, raped, murdered, blown up, If we just act like we enjoy the idea of being raped, tortured, murdered, then all will be hunky-dory. And when the mozlums are doing these things, the least we can do is **smile** and say how much we appreciate it.
gravenimage says
We see how well that has worked here in California, after BLM riots and “Defund the Police”. After going down for decades, violent crimes have *skyrocketed* in San Francisco and Oakland. Mass raids on upscale stores, often violent, is a new phenomenon–this is *not* shoplifting as some have tried to characterize it. And murders are through the roof, a 40% jump since 2019. Mayors who recently touted slashing police budgets or even dissolving police departments altogether are now calling for higher staffing.
gravenimage says
France: Conference for Strasbourg city employees portrays jihad murderers as victims, ‘our fears produce terrorism’
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Insanity–but we’ve heard this before–that any defense against Jihad terror is actually the cause of Jihad terror.
Never any indication of how Jihad terror started in the first place.
The fact is that if you have enough pious Muslims you *will* have Jihad terror.
The idea that prosecuting Jihad terror victimizes terrorists is simply grotesque. This is *illegal* in France, and if any Infidels engaged in such horrors they would be prosecuted as well. Does the brainless Marie Dosé think that such Jihadists should be allowed to murder French people with no consequences?
She has also sued France for not letting in Jihadists and their children.
tim gallagher says
Yes, it is insanity, gravenimage. This nonsense is absolutely ridiculous. It falls into the category of things that are so ludicrous that you couldn’t make such garbage up. But there it is. Muslim terrorists keep attacking non-Muslims, whether those non-Muslims are fearful or completely fearless, because that’s the sort of evil behaviour their religious ideology tells them to do. It’s straight out of the Koran. I cannot understand the bizarre, twisted thinking that some of these people come up with. The idea that fearing a terrorist attack by some devout Muslim will lead to such an attack is beyond normal level insanity. As you say, it does seem as though this clown is saying that we non-Muslims should let Muslim scum kill us in terrorist attacks and there should be no consequences for the Muslim terrorists. I honestly can’t follow the way these fools think. Their thought processes are twisted beyond belief.
VICTOR COWEN says
No education ….just one gene away from swinging from the trees.
tim gallagher says
Yes, that seems to be the effect that islam has on many of its followers, VICTOR. It creates evil monsters who have the mentality of knuckle draggers, that’s for sure.
gravenimage says
Tim, I think a big part of the problem is self-hating Westerners who blame *everything* on the West–if anything bad happens, it has to (somehow) be our fault.
That Jihadists behave the same way in non-Western nations, and that they did this for centuries before the West in the modern sense even existed, is something these tools are either ignorant of or don’t want to know about.
tim gallagher says
It is definitely part of the that self- hating attitude that some people in the western world have, gravenimage. But this particular nonsense in this report, about how the fearfulness of non-Muslim people leads to the Muslim terrorist attacks is beyond idiotic. I truly cannot comprehend the weird thought processes some people have, such as the twisted, bizarre nonsense mentioned in this report. Muslims slaughter non-believers in terrorist attacks and they always have done because it is basic to islam, just as Christians and Buddhists don’t act that way because it is not part of those religions.. As you say, before the western world had become anything like it is now, for 1400 years Muslims have been carrying out the same evil behaviours they display now. Basic, evil, murderous islam will never change.
Melc says
Do what the UK police are now startng to do and shoot the Jihadis on sight and ask questions later. If some maniac is running toward you shouting Allah o Akbar he is only intent on your decapitation so be warned.
tim gallagher says
Yes, Melc, I’ve noticed how they tend to shoot these Muslim terrorist scum dead in the UK lately. No mucking around with them. Of course, when they do arrest the scum, I think that the only reason they do that is to interrogate them and try to find out if they are part of a whole gang of Muslim terrorists. But it is satisfying to see them shot dead on the spot.
gravenimage says
Glad to see it–take no chances.
eduardo odraude says
A brilliant David Wood video just came out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZh9r-Ikb1s
gravenimage says
Brilliant indeed–thanks for that link. David Wood is always worth watching.
And good to see you posting again, Eduardo.
Judy R Zavitz says
Agree completely a Patriot who ares to help save our Republic a d build 208 more!
Judy R Zavitz says
A Patriot who cares and wants to build 208 more Republica free across the world. Signed An American Patriot! Jrkz
Alfredo says
Very interesting logic indeed! If we were to persue that impecable logic, then it follows that dogs can sense fear and that’s why they attack.
It follows that Jihadis can sense fear and therefore they go on a rampage.
The only difference is that dogs only growl and foam at their snouts before they attack those who fear them.
Whereas Jihadis before they go on a murderous rampage they let out the blood curdling cry “Allah Hu Akbar”
VICTOR COWEN says
In the meantime whilst we read this rubbish from France, their Jews are leaving in droves as fast as they can have been for years now. This means in effect the educated professional classes are being decimated They are mainly moving to Israel who benefit from their class and education. The French Jews are being replaced by mainly N. African Muslims. Work it out for yourself…invest in France “you have to be joking” the country is finished along with the whole EUSSR.
JCA Reid says
Orwellian Newspeak is really happening & taking over! It is! What encourages it all is the appeasing & patronising platitudes from these dipsticks. They simply can’t or, don’t want to see the consequences of their measly excuses. for their new found Fascistic Desert ideologues.
Donovan Nuera says
Fine…let the mayor let it be known that there will be no police presence at all at the upcoming famed Christmas Market in her town…where there was already 1 jihadist massacre a few years ago. She will wonder why there will be nobody willing to go.
OLD GUY says
What is wrong with these city officials, are they nuts or what.
Jedothek says
Leftists tend to lack both contact with reality and also a sense of humor. The phrase “shocking victimization of terrorists” is hilarious.