Forcing Muslim groups to sign a document will not reform Islam in France. The beheading of Samuel Paty was a wakeup call, only France still hasn’t woken up.
The reaction from tens of thousands of mainstream Muslims in defense of the the murderer of Samuel Paty was telling. Murder for insulting Islam or Muhammad is often carried out by individuals, mobs, and groups. Punishment for insulting Islam is deeply entrenched in the religion. Whether, two, three etc Muslim groups agree to sign on the dotted line to uphold French laws of assimilation really makes no difference. Mainstream Muslim groups operating in Western countries have largely been found to be linked to the Muslim Brotherhood and/or foreign hostile states who defend mainstream Islam, and they abhor democratic freedoms which allow for the offense of any religion. ”
The document is intended to compel Muslim groups in France to renounce political Islam. Yet the Sharia governs all aspects of a practicing Muslim’s life, including the political. Politics is inseparable from mainstream Islam. The Sharia, which embodies mainstream Islam, is regarded as divine, immutable and above all laws on the face of the earth. The Sharia is intertwined with politics. That means that the French document amounts to a rejection of the Sharia by the Muslim groups who signed it. It is highly unlikely that they will genuinely reject the Sharia. Yet French leaders will believe that a mere signing of a document by these groups is significant. This demonstrates how clueless French authorities are in their approach to Islam.
Muhammad stated that “War is deceit” (Bukhari 52: 269). The concept of deceit and feigning compliance is based on the Quran:
Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah , except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination. (3:28)
Scholar and Jurist Al-Tabari (838-923) wrote in his Tafsir al-Tabari:
If you (Muslims) are under their (infidels) authority, fearing for yourselves, behave loyally to them, with your tongue, while harbouring inner animosity for them… Allah has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels in place of believers – except when infidels are above them in authority. In such a scenario, let them act friendly towards them.
Islamic scholar and Jurist Ibn Kathir (1301-1373) also wrote similarly:
Whoever at any time or place fears their [infidels’] evil, may protect himself through outward show.
Rejecting the concept of “Islamophobia” and replacing it with “anti-Muslim bigotry,” which would make it clear that criticizing Islam is not condemned, would be a mere beginning for France. Offending Islamic sensibilities is allowed in free societies (or should be), except that appeasement has become the rule across the board, as politicians are intimidated by Islamic supremacists.
“Charter of Islam of France: After Hesitation, Three Federations Decide to Sign the Text,” translated from “Charte de L’Islam de France: Après des Réticences, Trois Fédérations Décident de Signer le Texte,” BFM TV, December 25, 2021:
While Gérald Darmanin announced the death of the French Council of Muslim Worship (CFCM), in mid-December, three federations finally decided to sign a charter desired by the government.
This Saturday, three federations announced their decision to sign the “Charter of the principles of Islam in France,” a text desired by the government and which they qualify as a “perfectible compromise.” In recent weeks, the charter already caused a rupture within the CFCM (French Council of Muslim Worship).
“By this solemn act, we invite in all fraternity all the member federations of the CFCM to come together within this unique body which is and will remain our common home, we are convinced of it,” the Turkish federations of the Coordination Committee of Turkish Muslims in France (CCMTF) and Millî Görüs as well as the Faith and Practice movement, close to the rigorist preachers of the Tabligh, indicate in a joint press release.
Disagreements with the Minister of the Interior
These three federations say they respond to comments made on December 13 by the Minister of the Interior Gerald Darmanin on the “death” of the CFCM.
They had initially refused to sign the “Charter of principles for Islam in France” demanded by the executive, which proscribes “interference” by foreign states and notably reaffirms the “compatibility” of Islam with the French Republic. or gender equality.
In January 2021, when the leaders of the CFCM announced that they had reached an agreement on this charter, the CCMTF, CIMG France and Faith and Practice for their part criticized a lack of consultation upstream of the text and its content, and considered that it risked “weakening” confidence in Muslims.
“A harmful climate of division”
The three federations had, however, remained within the CFCM, historical interlocutor of the public authorities on the Muslim religion, while four others, including the Mosque of Paris, had decided to leave the office of the CFCM and to create a “Coordination.”
The CFCM, created in 2003 and which brings together several federations of mosques, has since been plunged into turmoil.
The “divergence” expressed by the three federations was “dangerously instrumentalized to give rise to a climate of division harmful to Muslims in France,” they write to explain their initiative intended to “free themselves from a responsibility which is unfairly attributed to us.”
“Our major concern is to work for the unity of Muslims in France and for national cohesion while respecting the principles and values of the Republic, battered in breach in these difficult times,” they assure the public.
Michael Copeland says
Remember the example of would-be Times Square bomber, Faisal Shahzad. He, an immigrant from Pakistan, had become an American citizen. The lady judge reminded him that he had sworn the Oath of Allegiance.
“I sweared, but I did not mean it”, he replied.
Remember also the Muslim Brotherhood’s instruction in their secret Explanatory Memorandum:
“Using deception to mask intended goals”.
Remember the advice to his muslim audience of fluent French-speaker serial liar Tariq Ramadan:
“Tell the infidels in public we respect your laws and your constitutions, which we Muslims believe that these are as worthless as the paper they are written on.”
“We are not here to adopt Western values, we are here to colonize the U.S. (and Canada) and spread Islamic sharia law.”
“The only law we must respect and apply is the Shari’a.”
Gerald Darmanin and the French people should be highly sceptical.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Michael.
Fred Alan Medforth says
For the former head of the Collective against Islamophobia in France (CCIF), the fight against jihadism is Islamophobic because it does not target churches and synagogues
https://medforth.biz/for-the-former-head-of-the-collective-against-islamophobia-in-france-ccif-the-fight-against-jihadism-is-islamophobic-because-it-does-not-target-churches-and-synagogues/
gravenimage says
Thanks for that link, Fred. Absurd. This is like saying that the police are “crimophobic”: for paying more attention to violent gang members than to nuns and kindergarten children.
Clive Delmonte says
The situation as it stands now is as clear as mud to me.
Let’s just wait to see if “Islamic” inspired murders stop or not.
Infidel says
And I have a bridge for sale on the Seine…
Kagman says
You stole my line!!! I was thinking the exact same thing but would have stuck with the Brooklyn location,,, god knows there are enough of them there…
Alexander Reagan says
I read that Islam can not be reformed. What is in their holy writings is in their holy writings including vigilantism by average Muslims.
Doomer says
Ah,what to say, it is taqiya, deception by those 3 Islamic Federations. ”Do Not believe what someone SAYS but what someone DOES” is the redpill advice.
A 20 page SECRET document in the home of a Muslim Brotherhood member (founded in 1928 to Restore the Caliphate, which had disappeared in 1924 ), was discovered in Switzerland, in the early 20th century. The TITLE was ”The PROJECT”,
and was a detailed plan of PEACEFUL conquest of Europe via INFILTRATION . One thing to do was ally themselves with the LEFT.
1. They are very intelligent, they know the Left is Sincerely and FANATICALLY anti-capitalism. Something the Muslim Brotherhood is not. And that with the Left in power, the COLLAPSE of the West’s PROSPERITY.
2. That is WHY the Left is so fanatical about bringing More and More and More Muslim ”refugees”, the Brotherhood has guaranteed them the Muslim Vote, so they can take over the government.
In exchange the Brotherhood uses taqiya: it OPENLY supports the LGBT movement.
3. Concerning CHINA ( governed by LEFTISTS ( Chinese Communist government ) ) , again Muslims are very intelligent, they know:
a) China’s BIRTHRATE is 1.3. In JAPAN and SOUTH KOREA and TAIWAN it is similar.
Even POOR Asian nations like THAILAND and VIETMAN have it bad: 1.7 ( replacement would be minimim of 2.1 )
They know China’s 1 child policy from 1980-2015
( carried out with FORCED abortions, Forced Sterlization of women who had already given birth to one child , and if the SECOND child was born, then INFANTICIDE )
means in LESS than 30 YEARS ( 2050) , will come the ECONOMIC collapse of China.
b) That in China there are 50 MILLION MORE men than women.
c) That China’s YOUNG WOMEN, due to the teaching of ATHEISM in the Chinese educational system, are 100% MATERIALISTIC: they do Not wnt to Marry and have children, just buy and buy, believe in Nothing, have Fun.
d) That is why the 57 nation OIC ( Organization of Islamic Organization ) (33% of nations )does NOT attack China for its persecution of its Muslim UYGHURS in SINKIANG ( 1 million in concentration camps).
They know China will collapse.
e) Also ,another factor Muslims know about ( they have watched redpill videos ) is ASIAN (Chinese, japanese, Korean ) WOMEN ( due to the Golden Ratio Factor ( Proportion of Features of the Face) and to the fact that BEAUTY has scientifically been proven to be Objective, not Subjective )
do Not Want to become the girlfriends of Asian Men. Look at Japan and South Korea: about 70% of men there are involuntary celibates, and will be for life. Here is a short 7 minvideo by a brown blackpiller from SOCAL ( south Californai, region from Los Angeles to San Diego ):
”Blackpill – Asian women H@TE ethnic men, would kill for HAPA babies Doomer TFL”
https://youtu.be/ZeET6J_v-Jg
gravenimage says
Doomer has made this claim before–that Asian women hate and will not marry Asian men–despite centuries of obvious cases from both Asia and all over the world that this is hardly the norm.
And over 55% of South Koreans are married–so the claim that 70% of Korean men are not just unmarried but unable to so much as get a date seems implausible at best.
Then, given the title, it seems that this video recomended by Doomer is by Doomer himself.
john smith says
As if signing a document is going to prevent any potential jihadi from carrying out terrorism. Then pigs might fly.
tim gallagher says
“Political” Islam isn’t the problem, all of stinking islam is the problem. Islam is the most intolerant, backward, primitive and barbaric religious ideology that still pollutes the human race. The endless violence, the rape
gangs, the honour killings, the pedophilia with islam’s child brides, all this crap is intrinsic to islam and none of this garbage will ever end while Islam is still around. All of Islam needs to be renounced for any progress to be made. Islam does not belong in the modern world for endless different reasons.
Walter Sieruk says
One misconception that many Westerns have is that of the term used in the West which is “political Islam.” That term is nonsensical and redundant as well as unknown in the Islamic world
Therefore it needs to be made clear as to why that Western term is nonsensical and redundant. As explained by two statements.
First, as for that term being nonsensical one devout Muslim who, truly, proclaimed “Islam is Islam.”
Second. as for that term being redundant, has been well explained by none other Ayatollah Khomeini who declared” All Islam is politics.” [1]
[1] THE ISLAM IN ISLAMIC TERRORISM by Ibn Warraq page 332
James Lincoln says
Walter Sieruk says,
“…the term (“political Islam”) is nonsensical and redundant as well as unknown in the Islamic world”
Yes, technically true.
That being said, I think that people like Bill Warner use that particular verbiage in order to emphasize the fact that islam has a large political component that many may not be aware of.
gravenimage says
Agree, James.
Walter Sieruk says
Those two words of the term “political Islam” is a rather odd term to use. This is because Islam ,in it’s very essence is very political. So a person saying or written the words “political Islam” is only just repeating himself or herself.
Therefore its enough just to say are write the one word “Islam” For with Islam there is no real separation of religion and State.
Rufolino says
Sounds as if Muslims in France might be getting cold feet at the possibility of a Zemmour government, however slight that might be.
Fitna says
Great article by Christine DW. France might as well sign an agreement with rapists not to rape, with thieves not to rob, with pigeons not to poop on their cars.
I think the French are getting a little closer to the right answer. They realize “political Islam” is definitely a problem and needs to be stopped. This is the side of Islam that wants to rule, be the supreme law of the land, wants to replace democracy with Sharia. What they don’t realize is that the political side is inseparable from the “religious” side of Islam, they’re entwined and Muslims are not about to let infidels lead them astray from the words of their God.
These naive Frenchmen are hoping they can get their barbarian enemies to give up their most sacred goal of Islamifying France. This is like a hostage trying to negotiate a release with their captor. Or asking the schoolyard bully to stop picking on you.
You’d think grown adults would be much smarter than this. It’s as if our elites devolve into children on the most serious issues affecting their country. Have they never learned about two-faced, double-crossing humans? Those who lie to your face and stab you in the back?
Do they really think a cult of savages deeply committed to their religion and their God, which commands them to kill, rape, enslave non-Muslims and take their land for themselves are suddenly going to start being reasonable and cut deals with us?
If Muslims were reasonable, they wouldn’t be out there gang-raping children, driving cars into crowds, blowing up kids concerts and so on.
What’s needed is grown adults connecting the dots and realizing that Muslims are our mortal enemies and making deals with them is impossible because they think we’re the crap on their shoes, and they are superior to us. They’re just biding their time until they build their numbers and are strong enough to conquer us either through votes or by Jihad.
It’s like someone coming to their home and seeing two bedrooms on the 2nd floor billowing black smoke. They’re in denial, they think they can save their house and all their belongings. They throw buckets of water but don’t to accept they situation is way out of control for them and it’s best to stay out of the house and leave it to the firefighters.
These fools don’t want to accept that Islam is really that evil and they need more extreme measures than trying to extract agreements from Muslims which grown adults can easily realize will never be honored.
Once the Muslim population reaches a tipping point, then it’s game over-they will take over and raise their Islamic flags over your country. There is no going back. The fire is here and more radical measures need to be taken to put it out.
Thankfully at least there are some smart politicians like Zemmour and Le Pen who do understand that Islam is a death sentence of their nation and are treating it with the seriousness it deserves. It boils down to their non-Muslim population waking up in time and voting them into power or the future will be Islam or a civil war, it goes for all free nations.
David Foot says
This is what they call “Islamism” or Political Islam
What they take out what is it?
Do they modify the Quran?
No such thing! The Quran which aims to build a state within a state remains, agravated in our case by this exercise being carried out in what Sharia considers “enemy territory” where Islam demands other behaviours from the acolytes of the cult.
This statement has no meaning, nothing changes. All Moslems will continue to go to mosques.
There is no extreme Islam. There is no moderate Islam.” Islam is Islam.”
(to Obama) -Recep Tayyip Erdogan
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