Last week, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban slammed the EU funding of George Soros organizations and EU globalists punishing members who exercise their sovereign rights by rejecting open-door immigration and refusing to admit huge numbers of unvetted Muslim migrants. Orban has been consistent in fighting for his country’s sovereignty and safety.
Orban says: ““I don’t like experimenting on people. Human experimentation is dangerous.” Yes. It is proven that Muslims who fully adhere to Sharia norms cannot fully assimilate into free societies. That is because Sharia is regarded as divine law in Islam, above every other law, so the cornerstone of free societies, the freedom of expression, is not respected. Some mainstream, observant Muslims are fighting tooth and nail to force free societies into compliance with Islamic law. Sharia is incompatible with any free society.
“Orban: Western Europe ‘Experimenting on People’ by ‘Mixing Huge Masses of Muslims with Christians’”, by Jack Montgomery, Breitbart, December 12, 2021:
Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has accused Western European governments of having embarked on a grand exercise in “human experimentation” by “mixing huge masses of Muslims with indigenous Christians” in the hope that “something good would come of it”.
In an interview with Hungary’s Kossuth Radio, a transcript of which has been seen by Breitbart London, Prime Minister Orbán was asked about a then-upcoming Constitutional Court ruling on “whether the EU rules on immigration take precedence over Hungarian law” — which may herald a legal clash with Brussels if the Hungarian jurists fail to affirm EU supremacy, similar to the EU’s ongoing sovereignty dispute with Poland.
“In the whole European context Hungary is a special country, because we’re the only one in which the people have decided what to do: we had a referendum on immigration,” Orbán told his interlocutor, contrasting this with the situation in Western Europe where “the governments, the elites… think that immigration is a good thing, and so they let in huge numbers of immigrants [in 2015-16] thinking that something good would come of it.”
“Since it cannot be scientifically – or rather empirically – proven in advance whether or not it will be good, I think that this is a supposition, or an experiment. So the Western Europeans have embarked on a great experiment to see if something good will come from mixing huge masses of Muslims with indigenous Christians,” the Hungarian alleged.
He said that these pro-mass migration leaders, perhaps to their credit, were doing the migrants themselves “a good turn”, but noted that “they think that they’re also doing themselves a good turn, because they see this as resulting in a better France, a better Germany, a better Netherlands, or a better Belgium.”
“I’ve never believed in this experiment,” he admitted frankly. “I don’t like experimenting on people. Human experimentation is dangerous.”
Prime Minister Orbán, who will be attempting to secure a fourth consecutive term of office against a largely unified opposition next year, said the key issue with the mass migration “experiment” is that there is no way back if it ends up producing negative results.
“Let’s say that terrorist attacks happen in your country and public safety deteriorates. Or maybe the people coming in don’t want to work, and you have to commit to huge social spending programmes,” he said, outlining some issues that could arise as a result of reshaping a relatively homogenous society into a more multicultural one — issues which would be difficult if not impossible to reverse once the newcomers and their descendants were entrenched in the national population.
“I’m glad that this issue has been decided in Hungary,” Orbán continued, adding that, if the Constitutional Court ruled that EU immigration diktaks were incompatible with the Hungarian constitution, he would stand by the constitution.
“Hungarians sense that in Brussels an obstacle has been placed in front of what they want; and when discussion on what to do about it is tabled, Hungarians don’t lower their voices, but instead raise them and seek to clear the air. The Poles are similar, and it’s no coincidence that we’re brothers with the Poles,” the conservative leader observed.
“The reality of immigration isn’t in Brussels: it’s at the Hungarian border, at the Polish border, and in Italian ports. The reality is that we have to deal with the problems that have arisen, and we have to change the rules,” he declared….
Infidel says
Okay, so why is his country an ally w/ Turkey, or an associate member of the Turkic Council, or a part of China’s Belt/Road Initiative?
PMK says
Infidel,
I’m not sure Turkey is necessarily an ally, but the two countries’ histories are linked. Hungary was once part of the Ottoman Empire. Turks migrated from Anatolia to Hungary from 1541 to 1699, when Hungary was ruled by the Ottomans. They had another wave of migration in the 19th century during a period when Ottoman and Austro-Hungarian relations were improving.
Hungary has observer status on the Turkic Council, due to its ethnic Turkic population.
Infidel says
Countries like Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia too were a part of the Ottoman Empire, but you don’t see them celebrating their Turkish ‘heritage’ or applying for observer status at the Turkic council. Heck, even muslim countries like Bosnia and Kosovo ain’t observer members there
Sure, Hungary may have ethnic Turks (who, from what I understand, are not muslim (who are 0.1% of Hungary’s population). That doesn’t mean that they have to align w/ a group of 6 muslim countries
GreekEmpress says
+1
And I think that Turks did not migrate to Hungary.
More like they were intent on a war of conquest.
PMK says
The fact remains that ethnic Turks are in Hungary and they cannot be ignored. Many of them were forced to convert to Christianity (protestant), but Muslim populations also exist. We can’t pretend they don’t exist. The first influx was indeed a war of conquest, but the latter period was one of ‘peaceful’ migration between two empires. The Austro-Hungarian empire, like the Ottoman, and even the ancient Roman empire, was multi-ethnic.
gravenimage says
Sadly, many who are anti-Jihad are still often confused about the role of Islam–including Orban.
PMK says
Hungary is part of the BRI because of its geographical location. It has connections to both sides – the EU and Asia. Orban’s policies indicate that his stance on immigration doesn’t mean Hungary can’t have economic and trade relations with countries in both Europe and Asia. Hungary’s location gives China access to the single market in Europe. BRI, in this case, isn’t necessarily making Hungary a vassal state, since it retains its position in the EU.
gravenimage says
Infidel, one can agree with Orban on the above matter and still consider him foolish (or worse) for playing footsie with Turkey.
As for the “links” Hungary has with Turkey, PMK, this means that much of Hungary was *under the brutal heel* of the vicious Islamic Ottoman Empire. This history means that Hungary should be extremely wary of Turkey, not to ally with them.
Agree with GreekEmpress here.
PMK says
Being ‘wary’ of Turkey doesn’t mean Hungary cannot have relations with them. The US and USSR cooperated with one another when it behooved them. I think Hungary’s resistance to the EU policy of Muslim mass immigration and its stance on protecting its own borders indicates that Orban is holding Turkey and other Muslim countries at arm’s length. That doesn’t make them ‘allies’ or adversaries. They’re sovereign nations, each protecting its own interests.
Infidel says
Hungary is not remotely ‘wary’ of Turkey. On the contrary, they have good relations w/ them, and in the recent Artkash war, they cleanly picked the side of Azerbaijan over Armenia. They only object to muslims from other places coming into their country, which is commendable, but otoh, they somehow seem to think that muslim countries are preferable to Christian or Western ones. Even worse: they don’t mind enabling the greatest enemy of freedom everywhere: China!
gravenimage says
I’m afraid I have to agree with Infidel here. Mostly a blind spot for Hungary.
Jim says
It is an experiment that has already been tried and failed. No one expects anything except increased crime rates and social conflict. The leftists want to bask in their self-satisfying fantasy that they are doing something extremely good. But of course the biggest leftists life the farthest away from the conflicts they are bringing about. And they have a powerful wall of denials between themselves and the real world they are creating.
Fitna says
Well said Jim.
Terry Gain says
And Europe has done so without the slightest knowledge of Islam’s doctrine and history or a naive belief that somehow today’s Muslims do not know or obey the commands of Allah.
Michael Copeland says
Further, the people were never asked.
This mighty change has simply been imposed.
gravenimage says
Too true, Terry and Michael.
john smith says
Victor Orban is a rare breed amongst today’s political elites, he posses something that most of them don’t, and that is basic commonsense.
Eleanor says
Agreed. However he is incorrect when he says Western Governments by “mixing huge masses of Muslims with indigenous Christians”are hoping that “something good would come of it”. Their purpose is not “for something good to come from it” — their purpose is purely evil and that is to have Islam eventually take over Europe, and the hope is the native European people will move out in their millions. It is happening now. I can only think that Orbán was being diplomatic.
gravenimage says
Actually, a lot of people in the West do believe that Islam is not a threat to us. Not all of these people seek the destruction of the West–although this is what it will lead to if we continue on this path.
Fitna says
Eleanor, as the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. There might be some Lefties who understand Islam is evil and they’re using it to break down the social order so they can rebuild a new one, like we saw with Communism.
But I think the vast majority of them are completely uninformed and they think Islam and Muslims are benign, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Leftists exist in a fantasy world of their own making. In their naive and twisted reality, they think they can mix all the cultures of the world and create a utopian paradise. They give no thought to the histories that shaped these people or their belief systems. It’s much like how a child might think, who might dream of a united world.
We’re all going to learn the hard way, how dangerous and foolish their deluded ideas are. Sadly it won’t be the people who made this experiment happen, the scum running the EU or the UN, or Merkel, Biden, and their ilk, it’ll be the weakest members of society, women and children who’ll suffer the rapes and terrorist attacks firsthand, not to mention, gays, Jews and others that Muslims hate the most.
I wish every western nation had a leader like Orban, but we don’t so we’re all going to suffer a lot until we have good strong leaders get in power and undo the giant mess the Left has created.
There are signs of hope that at least a few nations are starting to recognize the danger they’re in and they have leaders who are willing to change course, like France.
Should the people fail to elect them into power (and assuming the elections are fair), then they deserve what they get. Some have suggested for France this could be their last chance to get the center-right in power.
I’m eager to see what Zemmour or Marine Le Pen will do if they actually win. Would they live up to their promises and stop Islam and deport Muslims or would they renege and find a way to ‘compromise’ or just surrender? I believe Zemmour is the stronger candidate so hopefully he’ll win.
gravenimage says
Agreed, Fitna–this is true with most people here in my bluer-than-blue state.
Rufolino says
If Zemmour wins, Europe will have one more Urban as a leader. No bad thing. But it appears the vote is likely to be split.
Phil Copson says
“…I’m eager to see what Zemmour or Marine Le Pen will do if they actually win….”
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Now that Zenmour has split the anti-Macron vote, I think we can all be confident that neither will win.
john smith says
I think you could be right Phil when you say, “now that Zemmour has split the anti-Macron vote,I think we can all be confident that neither will win.” But I do hope your wrong.
James Lincoln says
Fitna says
Regarding Leftists:
“But I think the vast majority of them are completely uninformed and they think Islam and Muslims are benign, despite all the evidence to the contrary.”
Certainly true regarding the Leftists that I know personally. Lots of virtue signaling and pathological altruism.
Johnny B says
“something good would come of it”. Let me put it this way, if you have been unable to conquer Europe for over 1000 years until you finally realized it had become too advanced and strong economically and militarily and then all of a sudden the gates are wide open with an open invitation, then I’m pretty sure you’d think something “good” will eventually come out of it.
gravenimage says
Orban: ‘Western Europeans have embarked on an experiment…mixing huge masses of Muslims with indigenous Christians’
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Orban is right–and we have seen how this is working out with the huge skyrocketing of rape and Jihad terror attacks in the West.
Rufolino says
True. Something politicians and the media don’t want to talk about Zemmour is talking about it.
Violet C says
Prime Minister Viktor Orban is the one leader that has been doing the job he was elected to do. The first responsibility of any government is to the security of their own citizens. Islam does not come in peace..they plan to take over and are part way there. Anyone with a drop of common sense can see this.
I won’t be surprised if/when we see western Christian people flock to Hungary seeking refuge and a home. Other than PM Orban, western leaders have been an abysmal failure.
James Lincoln says
Violet C says,
“I won’t be surprised if/when we see western Christian people flock to Hungary seeking refuge and a home.”
BINGO. It’s already happening.
https://jihadwatch.org/2018/10/french-and-german-citizens-fleeing-to-hungary-to-escape-mass-migrant-crime
OLD GUY says
Mixing Christians and Muslims is not an experiment it’s suicide by migration invasion of islam.
Patriotliz says
Not exactly an “experiment”…it’s a purposeful ethnic cleansing of European nationalities by the Globalists to destroy Western Civilization. FIRST, make them feel guilt for being white and if they resist the mass invasion, call then Racist.