Days ago, Russian leader Putin stated that insults to Muhammad were a “violation of religious freedom and of the sacred feelings of people who profess Islam.” He went even further to cite “as an example the attack on the editorial office of Charlie Hebdo magazine in Paris after its publication of cartoons of the prophet.”
Now Jamaat-e-Islami is hailing Putin over his comments, calling Putin’s stand a “great effort to mitigate rising Islamophobia in West.” Note that jihadist countries do not focus any significant attention to China’s “Islamophobia.”
Pakistan is a state funder of jihad terror and is at the forefront of efforts to criminalize insults to Islam internationally. Domestically, Pakistan is infamous for its blasphemy laws, which have led to the hunting down of innocent Christians on trumped-up charges. Putin’s comments boost Pakistan’s efforts, but his ulterior motive is nothing more than an attempt to gain more political and economic power.
Putin is in a race to establish political and economic alliances in a fast-changing world in which America is virtually MIA, with a decrepit President unable to lead domestically, let alone internationally. As Jamaat-e-Islami noted:
As a leading figure on the global stage, your voice will find resonance in East and West. You can play a leading role in mitigating Islamophobia, as well as hostility towards other minority communities around the world.
Putin’s recently strengthened alliances with Pakistan, the Taliban and China are yet another wake up call to how quickly America is losing global influence.
For example, Russia’s foreign minister Sergei Lavrov stated last Wednesday that “Moscow and Islamabad will boost ties in the fight against terrorism, with Russia providing unspecified military equipment to Pakistan and the two holding joint exercises at sea and in the mountains.” One can immediately spot the absurdity in the idea of Pakistan helping to fight terrorism. It is a key player in the sponsorship and promotion of jihad terror globally. See HERE.
Most significantly, Lavrov emphasized: “We stand ready to strengthen the anti-terrorist potential of Pakistan, including by supplying Pakistan with special military equipment.”
Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping hailed relations between Russia and China two weeks ago, with Putin declaring China “a proper example of interstate cooperation in the 21st century.” In Putin’s words:
A new model of cooperation has been formed between our countries, based among other things on such principles as not interfering in internal affairs [of each other], respect for each other’s interests, determination to turn the shared border into a belt of eternal peace and good neighborliness.
His defense of Pakistan’s blasphemy laws and praise for China are merely part of his business handshake, serving his larger ambitions of political clout and economic growth.
Russia now views itself as the great American replacement. Its “officials routinely assert that Moscow is rightfully the region’s chief security provider.” Russia is quite prepared to scapegoat America strategically. According to a Carnegie Endowment report, should “security threats to Central Asia or Russia arise out of the Taliban takeover, they will be the fault of the United States. By preassigning blame, the Kremlin is trying to give itself an excuse should it have to resort to cross-border strikes inside Afghanistan itself.”
“Jamaat-e-Islami hails Putin’s anti-blasphemy stance,” Anadolu Agency, December 27, 2021:
Jamaat-e-Islami Amir Sirajul Haq on Monday hailed Russian President Vladimir Putin’s stance against blasphemy.
In an open letter to Putin, he thanked him for drawing the world’s attention to Muslims’ feelings against offensive language or publication of blasphemous caricatures of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Last week, the Russian president said that insulting the Prophet (PBUH) is a violation of freedom of religion and a violation of the holy feelings of people who profess Islam.
“This freedom must be founded on respect for everyone whose feelings may be affected,” Putin said at his annual news conference last Thursday.
“On behalf of the people of Pakistan, and members of my party, I would like to reiterate our commitment to upholding values of respect, harmony, dialogue, and peaceful coexistence,” Siraj said, adding, “We believe in cooperation among various civilisations to promote the well-being of all the humanity.”
“We believe it will be a great service to humanity if world leaders like yourself take it upon themselves to promote understanding among different civilisations,” he said, asking the Russian president to play a “leading role” in mitigating a rising phenomenon of Islamophobia, particularly in the West.
“As a leading figure on the global stage, your voice will find resonance in East and West. You can play a leading role in mitigating Islamophobia, as well as hostility towards other minority communities around the world……
Doomer says
There are several possibilities:
1.Putin is losing his mental sharpness
2. He is being Machiavellical, saying one thing, doing another. Remember SUN TZU:” All war is based on deception”.
Sun Tzu also said:
“1. When we are able to attack, we must seem unable
2. When using our forces, we must appear inactive
3. When we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away
4. When far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
And: ” Know YOUSRSELF and know your ENEMY”.
3. Putin knows about Sun Tzu,and the Left: he was working in the KGB as an officer for years. An ex-KGB officer said that 85% of KGB money went into LEFTIST INFILTRATION activities ( the technique created by GRAMSCI, known as ENTRYISM )
, infiltrating the West’s universities, media, politicians, cultural institutions.
That explains why Putin is so authoritarian, he knows that Leftists via Soros, Ford Foundation, NGOs, Rockefeller Foundation, China, even the Bill Gates Foundation,etc,
want to take over Russia using the SAME Techniques the Soviet Russians had used.
In fact, the ELITE of EASTERN Europe ( an elite which in general is nationalistic and patriotic )also knows this. They know 90% of JOURNALISTS in the West are Leftists,
that 90-95% of University Professors in the West are Leftists. What is a Leftist? A SOCIALIST or believer in State Control of the Economy, a fanatical hater of capitalism and the Free Market.
Doomer says
To any Leftist who says capitalism does NOT work. There is the Comparative Analysis Method:
1. Take the two KOREAS and the 2 GERMANYS.
2. Both Koreas had the SAME culture and language: Confucian and Buddhist culture.
3. Both Germanys had the SAME culture and language: Greco-Roman and Judeo-Christian, and a Germanic heritage.
4. One Korea and one Germany became Socialist-Communist, the other Korea and Germany became Capitalistic: yet the areas under communism became poor,
the ones under capitalism prosperous.
mortimer says
To Doomer: Superb comparison or rather a CONTRAST. Same start, but a very different end result.
Doomer says
Yes, but the Leftists have got to power in Germany this year,the new chancellor is OLAF SCHLOF, of the Social Democratic Party of Germany.
That party is a member of the Party of European Socialists
and sits with the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats group in the European Parliament. More Socialist a party, impossible.
Why even in Germany? Putin will tell you, the result of decades and decades and decades of Leftist infiltration
in the universities, media, cultural institutions, so that 70% of those 20-30 are Leftists.
gravenimage says
Putin has been appeasing Islam for some time now.
And Doomer, spot on comparison of free vs communist societies.
mortimer says
To Doomer: good analysis of the CHARACTER of Putin … but let us go further. Let us compare the character of Putin with the character of MOHAMMED. Both men are VICIOUS and exceedingly OPPORTUNISTIC.
We see why Putin doesn’t want freedom of expression. He has in his own character and career much to criticize as well.
mortimer says
Muslims know that Islam stands or falls on the character of Mohammed, so they want to have complete control of his image … But Mohammed’s amorality, viciousness and opportunism cannot legitimately be defended by a reasonable person.
The brilliant editor and translator of Arabic works, Dr. David Samuel Margoliouth, wrote the following description of Mohammed’s character:
“The character attributed to Muhammad in the biography of Ibn Ishaq is exceedingly unfavorable. In order to gain his ends he recoils from no expedient, and he approves of similar unscrupulousness on the part of his adherents, when exercised in his interest. He profits to the utmost from the chivalry of the Meccans, but rarely requites it with the like. He organizes assassinations and whole-sale massacres. His career as tyrant of Medina is that of a robber chief, whose political economy consists in securing and dividing plunder, the distribution of the latter being at times carried out on principles which fail to satisfy his followers’ ideas of justice. He is himself an unbridled libertine and encourages the same passion in his followers. For whatever he does he is prepared to plead the express authorization of the deity. It is, however, impossible to find any doctrine which he is not prepared to abandon in order to secure a political end. At different points in his career he abandons the unity of God and his claim to the title of Prophet. This is a disagreeable picture for the founder of a religion, and it cannot be pleaded that it is a picture drawn by an enemy; and though Ibn Ishaq’s name was for some reason held in low esteem by the classical traditionalists of the third Islamic century, they make no attempt to discredit those portions of the biography which bear hardest on the character of their Prophet.”
(Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, volume 8, p. 878.Dr. Margiolouth)
mortimer says
Putin’s defense of Islam is not based upon principles or concern for the feelings of Muslims, but ENTIRELY BASED upon Putin’s OPPORTUNISM.
Putin pragmatically seeks the support of some 14 million Russian Muslims.
Beneath the Veil of Consciousness says
Sounds like he’s traveling on the coattails of our illegitimate congresswoman and illegal alien, Ihan Omar, who recently convinced our naive and self-serving congress to pass into law the Sharia mandate known as the Islamophobia Law, thus shutting down our first amendment right of free speech. If passed by the Senate, any realistic appraisal of her proto-nazi ideology will henceforth be forboden.
Heil Ihan!
GreekEmpress says
I contacted my senators to vote no.
If this bill passes it could mean the end of Jihad Watch.
gravenimage says
Yes–terribly dangerous to continued freedom of speech.
mortimer says
Putin is an opportunist who will change his mind on criticizing Mohammed whenever it is more advantageous. His stance on criticizing Islam is not based on principle. Not a bit.
Putin and every thinking person knows that Mohammed’s biography contains much to criticize. Mohammed was a toxic narcissist who committed all manner of crimes and blasphemously used religion as a means to justify them.
Without Muhammad, Allah, the Qur’an, and Islam would be unknown to us today. Muhammad was Allah’s sole conduit. He is the religion’s lone prophet, Islam’s sole example. Yet the picture of him that the Islamic scriptures paint is very unflattering. According to the Qur’an and hadiths, Muhammad was a thief, rapist, and terrorist. The Sira (Mohammed’s official biography) compiled by Ibn Ishaq, provides the earliest written account of Muhammad’s life, his words and deeds, his locale and his social milieu that exists in the two centuries following his death. There is no other valid source from which Muhammad can be seen or Islam can be interpreted. The Koran itself is inexplicable and lacks a timeline without the Sira and hadiths. The depiction of the prophet by the most revered and earliest Muslim sources reveals behavior that is immoral, criminal, sadistic and violent. The five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources don’t portray Muhammad as a kind and thoughtful man. They all confirm that he was an opportunist, a thief, liar, assassin, mass murderer, terrorist, warmonger, and an unrestrained libertine and sexual pervert engaged in pedophilia, incest, and rape. He authorized deception, assassinations, torture, slavery, and genocide. This was a pirate, not a prophet. Muhammad’s god was placed in the service of Muhammad’s criminality. According to the hadiths and the Qur’an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity. By putting the Qur’an in chronological order and correlating it with the context of Muhammad’s life, we find that Allah is a mirro image of Muhammad’s character. Muhammad’s god also condoned immoral and criminal behavior. Allah boasts about his own acts of terrorism. He boasts that he has deceived men, stolen their property, enslaved women and children, and committed acts of murder, genocide, and sadistic tortures. If you are a Muslim who has read the words of the Sira, you should be horrified, appalled and ashamed of Muhammad and the clerics after him who have purposely deceived you. The evidence of Muhammad’s criminal, amoral character is overwhelming and undeniable in Islam’s oldest documents. Muhammad’s character proves he was not a valid or true prophet, but a fraudulent, false one and a deceptive ring-leader of a sadistic and opportunistic death cult.
john smith says
Mortimer the manner in which express yourself can’t be faulted, you really do have an incredible talent. An excellent post.
gravenimage says
Yes, Mortimer–good post.
Hoi Polloi says
Thank you.
Infidel says
I can bet that this Russian tilt towards Pakistan will take its toll on relations w/ India – even if India has just bought a bunch of S-400s. India needs to recognize the Sino-Russian alliance and start distancing itself from Moscow
gravenimage says
Pro-Sharia group hails Putin for saying that insulting Muhammad is a ‘violation of religious freedom’
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*Of course* Shari’ah supremeacists approve of this appeasement of Islam. Foolish and evil.
Jim says
Criticizing Christianity and Judaism is an expression of religious freedom defended in the West. But criticizing Islam is the opposite, an assault on religious freedom. The difference in the two claims? The left benefits from attacks on Christianity and Judaism and also benefits from suppressing any criticism of Islam. They need these two views to support mass Muslim immigration and silence critics. Everyone can see this, but few want to admit it.
Frances Weingarten says
I was more than a little shocked reading about Muhammad! I knew very little about him before reading this article and had, until now, believed that he was someone special, a religious man and a holy person that looked after people! It seems that he was none of those things at all and in fact, was an ugly, hateful and uncaring person who was destructive and unappealing! So much for Muhammad! His followers might do will to remove him permanently!
Hoi Polloi says
So much for all those he-man Vladurday photo-ops or his pretense of being a Christian. Slight pressure and Vlad gets on his knees to lick Mo’s feet. Vlad’s fears for his own safety rule. He’s just as cowardly as the rest of the self-anointed “elite.” Surprise, Surprise.
David Foot says
To all those talking of “pro-Sharia” Putin I won’t waste my time, just one word: “Chechnya”
Moslem Chechnya has been fighting foreign rule for centuries and the Russians sent in the bulldozers so comrade Putin, please, the truth!
gravenimage says
“Sent in the bulldozers”–the fact is that Putin has allowed Chechnya to impose Shari’ah law on Russian soil. No nation in the West has taken appeasement of Islam *that far*.
OLD GUY says
I’ll bet it really hurts Putin to have to bow to islam a new dictator in the making. Islam is going to push the modern world backwards for most people. Some of the elite will enjoy their lifestyle for a short period, but they too will fall to the destruction of islam.
Strannik says
President VV Putin is being prudent and cautious, what with the fresh memories of the two Chechen wars still imprinted on the Russian public memory. The rest of his consideration for Islam is It being a geopolitical force balancing the power of the godless and degenerative West.
gravenimage says
The idea that kowtowing to violent Islam is “prudent and cautious” is insane–this only emboldens Jihadists.
Then, the idea that the West is “godless and degenerate” but that Islam attacking Churches and murdering Christians is not is just sickening–but we’ve heard similar tripe before.
“Gunmen Attack Church in Russia’s Chechnya Region, Killing 3”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/world/europe/chechnya-church-attack-grozny.html
“Chechnya: Seven killed in Orthodox church attack”
https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/coe/chechnya-seven-killed-in-orthodox-church-attack/
It isn’t the West waging such attacks, but the very Muslims you want to see appeased. *Ugh*.
Strannik says
I stated Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin’s view, not my own necessarily. He has had a measure of peace, law and order, in the Russian Federation. And abroad, has stymied dreams of Western elites for universal hegemony, with such ideas during his tenure. Muslims have been subjects and citizens of Russia for quite some time, and the view is that ultimately much of muslim troubles have roots down through the decades and centuries in Western efforts to destabilize Russia herself.
gravenimage says
Actually, allowing Shari’ah law to erode Russian law is *anything* but peace as you claim.
The mere fact that this Shariah group is lauding Putin’s kowtowing to Islam is *very* telling.
It is true that Muslims are making increaing inroads in Russia–this isn’t such a good thing either.
And yes–Putin has certainly stymied democracy and freedom of speech–not sure that is something I would want to brag about, but knock yourself out.
The implication that Muslims are persecuting Christians and targeting Churches–which they do all over the world–has nothing to do with Islam and is instead caused by the West is absurd.
Westerners are not attacking Churches–Muslims are. Try again…
Hoi Polloi says
“godless and degenerative West”….. I guess you don’t want to hear about the industry of rape, trafficking, and torture of untold numbers of little girls over many decades in the UK by your islamic friends.
gravenimage says
Certainy, Hoi Polloi, Strannik doesn’t say that he has any problem with the savagery of Islam, including rape of children and Infidels.
Hoi Polloi says
Exactly. I’m still waiting for S to condemn the evils of islam. I see only condemnation of the west. I think there may be a reason for that.
gravenimage says
I think we’ll have a long wait, Hoi Polloi…
Strannik says
To ” gravenimage”:
1. Law is not one of my finer points of study, but I’ll not be overly concerned if the Mohammadans want to be governed under the dictates of their false religion. Wheat versus Tares.
2. Muslim inroads into Russia is a problem to be sure, but the historical solution while unfortunate is always at hand.
3.The idea that Putin is a dictator is a sad joke. A joke perpetrated by people who have no understanding of Russia whatsoever. But such ignorance has been common for centuries. Putin in fact is closest to a Western style liberal as Russia can produce, which is to say close but not really. He straddles two worlds. But I am no fan of Western “Democracy “: it’s just a screen for Oligarchs and has been since Rome and Athens.
4. I did not say it had nothing to do with Islam. What I’m saying is that it doesn’t take much for intelligence services to stir them up. They don’t mind being stirred up either, as they usually ultimately profit by it against the Non Muslim in any case.
gravenimage says
Strannik wrote:
To ” gravenimage”:
1. Law is not one of my finer points of study, but I’ll not be overly concerned if the Mohammadans want to be governed under the dictates of their false religion. Wheat versus Tares.
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Chechnya is a part of Russia–to allow Muslims to impose brutal Sharia’ah law *on Russian territory* is madness. The whole point of violent Jihad is to force Infidels to allow the imposition of Islamic law.
Then, do you really believe that no non-Muslims live in Chechnya? Despite efforts to drive them out, forcibly convert them, and murder them outright, there are still Russians who live there. What is life like for them? Pretty grim:
“Left behind? Russian life in Chechnya”
After years of violence, displacement and an authoritarian peace, what is life like for ethnic Russians in the most mono-ethnic and mono-faith area of Russia?
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/left-behind-russian-life-chechnya/
Putin is doing nothing to protect these Russian citizens. I can only hope you are ignorant of this oppression, and not actually in favor of it.
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2. Muslim inroads into Russia is a problem to be sure, but the historical solution while unfortunate is always at hand.
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What–cringing appeasement? Because that’s most of what we are seeing from Putin.
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3.The idea that Putin is a dictator is a sad joke. A joke perpetrated by people who have no understanding of Russia whatsoever. But such ignorance has been common for centuries. Putin in fact is closest to a Western style liberal as Russia can produce, which is to say close but not really. He straddles two worlds. But I am no fan of Western “Democracy “: it’s just a screen for Oligarchs and has been since Rome and Athens.
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In other words, Putin may not have free elections and have been in power since the last century, but hey–he isn’t Stalin. This is true as far as it goes.
As for freedom, it comes as no surprise that you have no understaning of it–and are not apt to experience it in Russia.
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4. I did not say it had nothing to do with Islam. What I’m saying is that it doesn’t take much for intelligence services to stir them up. They don’t mind being stirred up either, as they usually ultimately profit by it against the Non Muslim in any case.
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“Inteligence services”–is this the idea that–what? the CIA or MI6 or Mossad or someone is really behind Jihad terror? You *do* realize that Islam has been waging Jihad for 1400 years now–far longer than the Infidels of the United States or the rest of the West ever existed. And the implicataion that Muslims *really* listen to the ‘filthy Infidels’ is just laughable.
Strannik says
” gravenimage ” , you perhaps are not aware of the history, of how the Ottoman Turks got their foothold in the Balkans in the first place? It was during the civil war between Paleologus and Cantacuzene, when Cantacuzene invited them in as allies. Then as now, they get paid to help one side or another, but always serve their own interests. Then and now. Consider Syria, or Afghanistan. I’m all for intelligent opposition to Islam, but not stupidity and other false madness in its place.
gravenimage says
The idea that inviting Jihadists in as “allies” is a good idea is utterly foolish. You should read Robert Spencer’s book “The History of Jihad” to see how that has usually worked out historically.
(Never mind that Muslims invaded central Asia as early as the seventh century–the idea that they were only in Russia post-the conquest of Byzantium is quite mistaken. They made inroads into the Balkans, too. Things only got worse after the 14th century).
In fact, the “Prophet Muhammed” is supposed to have threartened the Byzantine Empire during his lifetime. The idea that Muslims had no presence–and no plans–for Russia or the Balkans until they were invited by some Infidel is way off base.
The fact is that Islam is not an ally of Russia or of any other Infidels.
Then, the idea that considering Jihad and persecution of Russians under brutal Shari’ah law is a bad thing is “stupidity and other false madness” is completely unhinged.
Jihadists in Syria and Afghanistan are not the allies of any Infidels, either–are you a fan of ISIS and the Taliban?
Hoi Polloi says
“intelligent opposition to Islam”… The goal of islam is to remove any opposition while the west pretends that it is searching out an intelligent means of opposition. The west’s leaders submit, obfuscate, and align with islam. Graven is right.
Strannik says
” gravenimage ” you are so far off the mark with strawman argumentation that it seems a bit ridiculous, and contrived. Especially as one could only think that I endorse inviting in jihadists, when in fact my point is precisely the opposite, that it is the use of Muslims as pawns in Non Muslim political conflicts that is so dangerous and always backfires. And, that Western powers have a history of doing that in the recent past. Islam advances because Non Muslim powers always seem to hate and fear each other more than the Muslims.
gravenimage says
Strannik wrote:
” gravenimage ” you are so far off the mark with strawman argumentation that it seems a bit ridiculous, and contrived. Especially as one could only think that I endorse inviting in jihadists, when in fact my point is precisely the opposite, that it is the use of Muslims as pawns in Non Muslim political conflicts that is so dangerous and always backfires.
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How does this make any sense at all, since Strannick opened his comments here by lauding Putin as “being prudent and cautious” for appeasing Islam, and for using it as a “geopolitical force balancing the power of the godless and degenerative West”? He was in fact *advocating* strengthening Islam to use against other Infidels.
And Putin has certainly taking this to heart, working with Belarus to import and send violent Muslims at the Polish border. I have noted that this is not only evil but also deeply foolish, because if this succeeds then an Islamized Poland would actually also be a threat to Russia itself.
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And, that Western powers have a history of doing that in the recent past. Islam advances because Non Muslim powers always seem to hate and fear each other more than the Muslims.
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I have long criticized *anyone* thinking they can use Jihadists, including the West. They at least had the possible excuse of believing that Afghan Jihadists were “freedom fighters”–but Putin kniows what Islam is and doesn’t care.
As foolish as this is, though, the idea that Islam *only* advances when aided by foolish Infidels is hardly the case–Islam first spread by violent conquest, and this has remained a pattern wherever Muslims can manage it.
We just don’t want to give them any help.
Bikinis not Burkas says
“insulting Muhammad is a ‘violation of religious freedom’”
That is what is called reverse psychology!
Insulting Muhammad the fat white dwarf IS religious freedom!
The perfect man, NOT, defective DNA.
Muhammad was WHITE!
http://quranx.com/Hadith/Muslim/Reference/Hadith-2340/
Muhammad was a dwarf and fat!
http://sunnah.com/abudawud/42/154
Strannik says
“Hoi Polloi”, how can ” gravenimage ” possibly be right, when they have been arguing that Western powers have NOT been responsible for trying to use Islamist forces in geopolitical contests against other powers? The West has indeed been engaged in policies to ” submit, obfuscate, and align with Islam “, but it also has as a part of that been engaged in policies of inciting Russias native Muslim tribes against central authority, like the Chechens. This renders Putin’s policy of placating Islamic Russian citizens understandable however, and we couldn’t have that, now could we? Again, one must have an intelligent opposition to Islam, not one that destroys itself…
Hoi Polloi says
Because Graven, as I understand the argument, is stating that islam is itself incitement and responsible for itself. I can hold both western “elites” and violent muslims responsible for themselves and their own behaviors.
Strannik says
One is clearly aiding the other, thinking wrongly every time that it won’t effect them negatively. I am thinking that this isn’t going too well. At least Putin has excuse of not wanting disturbances among a native Muslim population, weaponized by irresponsible Western governments, as he had during the Chechen conflict.
Hoi Polloi says
That excuse is behind the policy of calling parents who oppose school boards white supremacist terrorists and refusing to prosecute rape of little girls on an industrial scale. It safeguards only the self-proclaimed “elite” who live behind walls and venture out surrounded by armed guards.
gravenimage says
Strannik wrote:
“Hoi Polloi”, how can ” gravenimage ” possibly be right, when they have been arguing that Western powers have NOT been responsible for trying to use Islamist forces in geopolitical contests against other powers?
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When have I *ever* argued such a thing? Now Strannik is reduced to lying about me–just sad. I have long said that I don’t believe that *any* Infidels should try and use Jihadists–wrong to begin with, and it often backfires, since Jihadists hate *all* Infidels, whatever their politics may be.
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The West has indeed been engaged in policies to ” submit, obfuscate, and align with Islam “, but it also has as a part of that been engaged in policies of inciting Russias native Muslim tribes against central authority, like the Chechens.
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Again the claim that Muslims are attacking Russia because the Americans have told them to. Not only do Muslims need no such urging from Infidels to attack Russia, but Strannick has provided no proof that the US is doing this to begin with.
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This renders Putin’s policy of placating Islamic Russian citizens understandable however, and we couldn’t have that, now could we? Again, one must have an intelligent opposition to Islam, not one that destroys itself…
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No it doesn’t. Whatever the policies of the United States, appeasing Muslims makes no sense and only emboldens them. The idea that allowing Mulims to impose Shari’ah law on Russian territory is “intelligent opposition to Islam” makes no sense at all–this is not opposition, it is actively enabling the incursions of Islam into Russia.
Then, there is the sneering “we couldn’t have that, now could we?”–the idea that placating Muslim surpremacists to the harm of Russian people is somehow a good thing if it twits the Americans? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face…
Yes, in the long run I fear an Islamized Russia, in the same way that I fear the specter of an Islamized France or UK.
But in the short run I fear for the Russian people–having them suffer under Shari’ah seems to be something that Strannick is not only fine with, but oddly proud of. Note that he says *nothing* about the horror of Christian and Atheist Russians having to live under Islamic law, despite my linking to an article on this very subject.
I agree wth Hoi Polloi that this pandering to Islam is suicidally foolish from *any* Infidel.
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One is clearly aiding the other, thinking wrongly every time that it won’t effect them negatively. I am thinking that this isn’t going too well. At least Putin has excuse of not wanting disturbances among a native Muslim population, weaponized by irresponsible Western governments, as he had during the Chechen conflict.
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This is absurd–the US has never had a presense in Chechnya, nor in any adjacent nation. Chechnya is a danger to Russia because all pious Muslims hate all Infidel powers–Russia, the Soviet Union, the US, Europe, Communist China–everyone.
Islam weaponizes itself–all one has to do is to read the Islamic texts and look at the history of Islam. Chechnya converted to Islam between the 16th and 19th centuries–this had nothing to do with the United States.
And the idea that the imposition of brutal Shari’ah law is not a disturbance is absurd.
Some of us actually care about the Russia people.
Strannik here sounds like poster “Vladimir”–a long time advocate of Russia appeasing Islam. Among other things, he has lauded Islam’s attacks on the “Latin Church”–claiming that the Western Church’s schism with the Orthodox Church in the 11th century means it is “destined” to fall to Islam. Sick stuff. Also similar to “Christianblood”.
Strannik says
So, ” Hoi Polloi “, you still do not understand. Putin offers a carrot now, after an obvious use of the stick early in his career as President, again going back to the Chechen conflict. What would you have him do that he is not doing, aside from his trolling about ” religious liberty “? He knows that there is not only Islam to contend with, but also a very spiritually sick West, whose cancer is spreading. Or rather, one can compare it to a sickness that will render its victims too weak to fight against the Muslims in any case. But Russia is not the West, thank God.
Hoi Polloi says
I would have Putin not establish sharia by vocally supporting its restrictions on any speech that offends muslins; obeisance none of these “elites” offers to the rest.
Strannik says
Well there you go. Political Correctness doesn’t exist in Russia, so there is no issue
Hoi Polloi says
??? Commanding citizens of the world to avoid blasphemy against mo is sharia. Your arguments are shifting and inconsistent, at best.
gravenimage says
Strannik seems fine with Shari’ah law, and just considers the West “sick”. So raping children is just peachy, but allowing homosexuals to live unmolested is “degenerate”.
And now Putin is imposing blasphemy laws for Islam–if one cannot even legally say that there is a problem with Islam, how can one possibly fight it?
This pandering to Islam is terribly harmful, in Russia of the West or anywhere else.
Hoi Polloi says
Unfortunately Graven, I’ve seen more than one person selling the idea that islam should be used to “cure the sickness.”
gravenimage says
Sadly true, Hoi Polloi. Whatever problems the West or any other Infidel nations may have, Islam is not going to improve things.
Strannik says
Gentlemen, it’s clearly quite silly to equate an intelligent fight against Islam, which I suggest, with “supporting Sharia “. Its equally clear that you have an animus against Russia, the Russian people, and probably Orthodox Church to boot as well. President Putin is trolling westerners so concerned about ” free speech ” and you respond like liberals triggered by President Trump. Why? Because here you are United only in your animus towards Islam. Putin is not a woman that I should love or hate him, but I assure you that the Russian people will deal with the Muslim problem in any case, with or without him. These words mean less than nothing.
gravenimage says
More claptrap from Strannik:
Gentlemen, it’s clearly quite silly to equate an intelligent fight against Islam, which I suggest, with “supporting Sharia “.
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Strannik putting “supporting Sharia” in sneer quotes is absurd–is he now pretending that Shari’ah *isn’t* allowed in Chechnya? Kadyrov has had all eateries shut down during Ramadan. He has lauded Muslim thugs assaulting women who don’t wear headscarves. He has targeted homosexuals for murder.
He has told Reuters that anything allowed by Shari’ah and the Qur’an should take priority over Russia’s constitution.
Why would Strannik support this? If course he does not say.
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Its equally clear that you have an animus against Russia, the Russian people, and probably Orthodox Church to boot as well.
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How does not wanting Russians to suffer under Jihad terror attacks and Shari’ah law indicate an animus against Russia and her people–unless you believe that Russia should be Islamized? How is condemning attacks on Russion Orthodox Churches and worshippers indicative of animus against the Orthodox Church?
This makes no rational sense at all.
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President Putin is trolling westerners so concerned about ” free speech ” and you respond like liberals triggered by President Trump.
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Telling Muslims that insulting Muhammad is a violation of Muslim’s rights is not trolling the West–if this is enforced, it will directly affect Russians, not the West.
That Strannik is sneering at concern over Islamic blasphemy laws is deeply chilling–Christians and other Infidels are regularly prosecuted, imprisoned, and murdered in places like Pakistan. Is this *really* what he wants to see for Russia? *Good God*.
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Why? Because here you are United only in your animus towards Islam. Putin is not a woman that I should love or hate him, but I assure you that the Russian people will deal with the Muslim problem in any case, with or without him. These words mean less than nothing.
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This is just weird. Is Strannik incapable of deciding whether someone’s actions are wise or foolish unless done by a woman? And if he is incapable of judging Putin’s actions because he is not female, then why is he spending so much time here vociferously defending his pandering to Islam?
As for the idea that the Russian people will deal with the Muslim problem, the implication that this willk somehow be easier once Putin has allowed the imposition of Shari’ah law in parts of Russia, as well as instituting Islamic “blasphemy laws” througout the nation makes no sense at all.
And the claim that Putin’s words mean nothing is truly bizarre. Is Strannik saying that Putin doesn’t mean what he says? Does he consider this to be the case for everything that Putin says?
If this is the case, then we can judge by actions–including, as I have noted, his allowing Shari’ah law in Chechnya. And this is not a good sign…
Hoi Polloi says
As already discussed, “an intelligent fight against Islam” would require acknowledging its flaws, not demanding the world bow down and accept sharia, which Putin has now done. Putin wants to be seen as his own man, not the west’s puppet, so he chooses to bow to an enemy of freedom and everything that is right, one that has been brutalizing for 1400 years?
And no one here has ever, to my knowledge, demonstrated animus towards Russia. The fact that a few US government players attempted to hoax the world using Russia is their own failure. They’re being investigated. I think citizens always understood that China is a bigger problem. What’s questionable is what the world understands about islam. This site is intended to expose islam, so that’s what you get here; no surprise there. As long as we continue to cherish our freedom of speech, that is.
Strannik says
I do not see Putin as having ” bowed down ” to Islam and Sharia, merely trolling Western people more liberal in their sense than himself, and exercising a prudence around some 40 million Russian citizens and their sensibilities. He is not Tsar Ivan Grozny: when God in His mercy grants Russia such a strong ruler again, or like Vlad Tepes in Wallacia,it will no doubt be when Russia is on the very brink of an Abyss. Putin just held off that day.
Hoi Polloi says
Why is VP merely trolling instead of leading and refusing to bow to sharia? Oh, because the west is corrupt and too stupid to see or think clearly, islam’s sins and the message they receive from him are of no consequence, the west pedestals VP as more powerful than he actually is (note that they chose Russia as the target in their hoax, not Xi, whom they actually fear), usw. A dozen or more variations on that theme. Final post here, so post away.
Strannik says
Again, you’re assuming a great deal, grist for the mill of typical irrelevant strawman argumentation and ” whataboutism”. The reality of the situation is that while Islam is the primary threat to all of humanity, Modernity and the West are incapable of any true alliance that could put them in check. Knowing this, Putin is acting rationally and in Russias national interests, as he sees those interests anyway.
Hoi Polloi says
Thanks Graven. You’ve made your point well many times. But when that “But I can’t be wrong because I’ll charge whataboutism and stick my fingers in my ears.” biz comes, it’s all clear.
gravenimage says
Yet more from Strannik, in reply to Hoi Polloi:
I do not see Putin as having ” bowed down ” to Islam and Sharia, merely trolling Western people more liberal in their sense than himself, and exercising a prudence around some 40 million Russian citizens and their sensibilities.
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This article is about Putin being lauded by a pro-Shari’ah group from Pakistan over comments he made regarding Muslims in Russia. This has nothing directly to do with the West at all, so the claim that he was “trolling Western people” in his vow to crush freedom of speech on behalf of Muslims makes no sense whatsoever.
Then, how would this make sense in any case? If I proposed to impose blasphemy laws banning the criticism of Islam here, this would not be a case of my ‘trolling Russians’, since it would have nothing directly to do with Russia, and would only directly harm Americans who don’t want to see Islam take over here.
Then, the idea that Russia has to bow to the “sensibilities” of ravening Muslims is just grotesque–Strannik here *does* understand that they are “offended” by Russians who are merely Christian and Atheist, does he not? Why should this be pandered to?
And, again, he does not say how eliciting lauding from Shari’ah Muslims in hell holes like Pakistan is “prudent”–it is anything but.
Hoi Polloi is right.
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He is not Tsar Ivan Grozny: when God in His mercy grants Russia such a strong ruler again, or like Vlad Tepes in Wallacia,it will no doubt be when Russia is on the very brink of an Abyss. Putin just held off that day.
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Actually, Ivan the Terrible often appeased Islam in Russia as well, especialy as he was cowed by the Ottoman Empire. Not actually a good thing…
We will see whether the West is able to take a stand against Islam–things do not look good right now–which is a bad thing for the whole world, whatever Strannik might think.
He again claims that Putin’s appeasement of Islam is a good thing for Russia–but this is only the case if you want to see an Islamized Russia. God knows I don’t–not so sure about Strannik himself.
Strannik says
More bad faith and strawman arguments. Just one point to show this: Tsar Ivan Grozny conquered the Islamic Khanates of Kazan, Astrakhan, and Sibir, helping to eventually end centuries of Muslim raids and ravaging. This is not nothing. The rest is just drivel. Not to defend Putin, so much as to show that there’s no heart in Westerners for real and serious alliances with others. Never has been, and never will, sadly.
gravenimage says
Yes, Grozny did conquer these Islamic khanates–and I’m sure this did put a crimp in raiding, definitely a good thing. Unforturnately, it also brought huge numbers of Muslims into Russia itself–the very Muslim population Strannik lauds being pandered to.
Then, is Strannik suggesting that the West ally with Russia in appeasing Muslims? Firstly, Putin has never suggested this, nor would it improve things for either Russia or the West.
If Russia were actually serious about defending against Islam, instead of adopting Islamic blashemy laws, I’d be more than happy to consider it. In fact, I have said here many times before that Infidels should ally in defense against Islam.