Here’s a mandate I agree with…..mandatory that all government officials and any person who makes policy must to view this as well part of the curriculum in high schools & Universities. Also mandatory- our laws must be practiced.
Free speech, the flow of information and a world that bases decisions on facts rather than decisions & policy made on a notion consisting of a fantastical Utopia, or worse, policy made by pandering, power hungry political types.
Check Burrysays
No
Domersays
If by Islam you mean traditional,mainstream Islam ( of the past 1,400 years), of the 4 Sunni legal schools, and the Shia tradition,
then NO. Why?
a) Because traditional,mainstream Islam ( of the past 1,400 years) REJECTS what is called NATURAL law, it only accepts what is called DIVINE law( rules in the Quran,and hadiths).
b) Democracy is a human invention,not of divine origin. Natural law means rules,ethics,values obtained only via reason. The invention of democracy falls into its domain.
In a democracy they call Legalize Blasphemy, forbid polygamy,etc.
gregbeethamsays
Like you say Robert, we need to uphold the law regardless of what Sharia law says, if they don’t like it there’s some nice Islamic country somewhere they can head off too, goodbye, be sure and write now, ya hear.
Infidelsays
Ah! Finally you posted this: I watched it live on Jan 16th itself
8:00 That seems to explain why Saudis are going along w/ MbS even though a lot of what he’s doing makes no sense from an islamic POV. Funnily enough, this is one tool islam has given him. I agree w/ RS at the end that he has a tough road ahead, but I do think that he may well be genuine, but the real challenge is his countrymen
17:00 This is the strongest reason for banning muslim immigration to all non-muslim countries: the quranic edict that all immigration should be for the sake of allah. Too bad nobody in Congress can cite quran 4:100 (Incidentally, there are not 56 muslim countries: countries like Guyana, Suriname, Mozambique and 4 more countries in West Africa. Since they are OIC members, muslims don’t flock to those countries b’cos they assume that they’re already muslim countries)
20:00 Ilhan’s bill will probably get the filibuster proof in the senate: they’ll easily find 20 republicans to go along w/ it
28:00 Answer to muslim vote bank politics is people of other faiths doing the same thing for the party opposing them. Unfortunately, the bulk of Hindus, Jews and other non-Christians vote heavily Democrat, despite that party having totally sold out to the muslims
29:00 If the Dems have emulated the Indian Congress party’s policies of appeasement, so have the GOP emulated the BJP’s policies of appeasement to muslims. In this department, it’s hard to see a distinction, except on the topic of Israel. As RS notes later, the GOP is the stupid party and the Dems the evil one. Same is true in India: the BJP is the stupid party and their opponents are evil
32:00 For someone associated w/ the Jaipur Dialogues, Vibhuti Jha is singularly unimpressive. He knows everything that RS has told him, since he’s heard it discussed on other JD shows, and yet he’s acting like peace is something achievable w/ this cult?
49:00 Good for him for bringing up halal economics as well as the spitting issue. This thing needs to be made clearer so that businesses don’t just offer a one-size-fits-all halal solution to everybody – muslim and non-muslim alike. And while the spitting discussion was about the food, the most recent spitting event happened at a salon in India. There are 2 views about the spitting – one that it symbolizes their contempt for non-muslims, but the other one is that muslims think that their spit is sacred, and that they’re doing everyone – non-muslim or muslim – a favor by spitting on food, on people or anything else
55:00 In India, not only have muslims prospered, but recently, they’ve been making inroads and settling down in 2 of the 7 major most sacred Hindu cities – Haridwar and Dwarka, and this too both in BJP ruled states. Yet pro-muslim supporters in India denounce the BJP as fascist. At this rate, only a real neo-Nazi party can save India
56:00 His sports analogies are just horrible: he can’t figure out which sport he wants to use
58:00 It would be nice to see more discussion about islam/jihad on platforms like Gettr and Gab. I did try Koo, but it requires one’s phone#. Rumble is growing b’cos aside from YouTube, it seems to be the only game in town (even though there is Bitchute and some other platforms). Whereas opposite Facebook/Twitter are Gettr, Gab and Parler
One thing these platforms need to realize is that anonymity is something that’s needed – particularly in this cancel culture era, as well as due to the possibility of threats to people who dare confront islam or jihadis. So please don’t demand our real identity, and brand us cowards if and when we decline to provide it
59:00 Reason nobody speaks about women’s rights in the context of islam is that when one has so many special interests, there has to be a pecking order, and islam is right on top of it. It trumps women’s rights, gay rights, rights of religious minorities like Jews, Hindus, Buddhists,…, animal rights, and what have you. No point trying to get Leftists to take our side against islam even on all (let alone any) of these issues
1:00:00 I’m glad Jha brought up the issue of Dubai and MbS. On MbS, I do think that he is genuine about wanting to reform KSA, and I agree w/ RS that he has a tough, uphill task. Although given how obedient the Saudis are, there is some chance of success that he might have once he becomes king. One thing, though – he is trying to get Saudi Arabia off its oil dependence, and has done some things pretty hostile to islam, like the ban on the tabhlighi jamaat, ending funding of foreign dawa activity and so on
I also agree w/ RS that Dubai is cosmetic, and that the people of that country are still pretty barbaric. There are things that Dubai has, such as a pork shop that can cater only to non-muslims, and recently, they did open up a Hindu temple where one of the emirs was a major guest. But I’ll believe that the Emirates is reforming when they start granting citizenship to non-muslim residents of their country who have no inclination to leave. Also, Jha is wrong when he claims that the Emirates does not have oil: they are one of the 3 GCC members of OPEC – the other 2 being Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, and produces 3 million barrels a day
All in all, a good discussion. Waiting for the next interviews RS has w/ both Vibhuti Jha as well as David Wood
Vibhuti Jhasays
Thank you for your detailed feedback! Appreciate it.
Infidelsays
I had no idea that you read this website! I watch Jaipur Dialogues as well!
gravenimagesays
Good analysis.
petersays
My simple answer is No . It is not even remotely compatible with democracy in any form or shape . Islam is antithetical to democracy , human values or anything that is civilized.
sidney pennysays
At 42.45 ” I say one law for everyone”
Not in India-( in relation to civil matters)
“India finds itself torn in the debate around the Uniform Civil Code (UCC). The UCC is a proposal to formulate and implement secular personal laws which would apply equally to all citizens, regardless of their religion. You have already guessed which community largely opposes it.
“Many Muslims in India claim to be citizens with equal rights, but when the time for the institutionalization of equality presents itself, they take steps against equality and rush to protect their privilege.”
Of course, that mentality is not limited to India.
OLD GUYsays
Islam is basically a dictatorship hideing behind a religious mask. Not any difference from nazi’s.
Infidelsays
If only it were
Infidelsays
Sorry, I originally read it as ‘India is basically a dictatorship…’ Just ignore or delete this comment
Walter Sieruksays
During this video interview the term “political Islam” was used, twice. Therefore it needs to be made clear as to why that Western term is nonsensical and redundant. As explained by two statements.
First, as for that term being nonsensical one devout Muslim who, truly, proclaimed “Islam is Islam.”
Second. as for that term being redundant, has been well explained by none other Ayatollah Khomeini who declared” All Islam is politics.” [1]
[1] THE ISLAM IN ISLAMIC TERRORISM by Ibn Warraq page 332
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Violet C says
Here’s a mandate I agree with…..mandatory that all government officials and any person who makes policy must to view this as well part of the curriculum in high schools & Universities. Also mandatory- our laws must be practiced.
Free speech, the flow of information and a world that bases decisions on facts rather than decisions & policy made on a notion consisting of a fantastical Utopia, or worse, policy made by pandering, power hungry political types.
Check Burry says
No
Domer says
If by Islam you mean traditional,mainstream Islam ( of the past 1,400 years), of the 4 Sunni legal schools, and the Shia tradition,
then NO. Why?
a) Because traditional,mainstream Islam ( of the past 1,400 years) REJECTS what is called NATURAL law, it only accepts what is called DIVINE law( rules in the Quran,and hadiths).
b) Democracy is a human invention,not of divine origin. Natural law means rules,ethics,values obtained only via reason. The invention of democracy falls into its domain.
In a democracy they call Legalize Blasphemy, forbid polygamy,etc.
gregbeetham says
Like you say Robert, we need to uphold the law regardless of what Sharia law says, if they don’t like it there’s some nice Islamic country somewhere they can head off too, goodbye, be sure and write now, ya hear.
Infidel says
Ah! Finally you posted this: I watched it live on Jan 16th itself
8:00 That seems to explain why Saudis are going along w/ MbS even though a lot of what he’s doing makes no sense from an islamic POV. Funnily enough, this is one tool islam has given him. I agree w/ RS at the end that he has a tough road ahead, but I do think that he may well be genuine, but the real challenge is his countrymen
17:00 This is the strongest reason for banning muslim immigration to all non-muslim countries: the quranic edict that all immigration should be for the sake of allah. Too bad nobody in Congress can cite quran 4:100 (Incidentally, there are not 56 muslim countries: countries like Guyana, Suriname, Mozambique and 4 more countries in West Africa. Since they are OIC members, muslims don’t flock to those countries b’cos they assume that they’re already muslim countries)
20:00 Ilhan’s bill will probably get the filibuster proof in the senate: they’ll easily find 20 republicans to go along w/ it
28:00 Answer to muslim vote bank politics is people of other faiths doing the same thing for the party opposing them. Unfortunately, the bulk of Hindus, Jews and other non-Christians vote heavily Democrat, despite that party having totally sold out to the muslims
29:00 If the Dems have emulated the Indian Congress party’s policies of appeasement, so have the GOP emulated the BJP’s policies of appeasement to muslims. In this department, it’s hard to see a distinction, except on the topic of Israel. As RS notes later, the GOP is the stupid party and the Dems the evil one. Same is true in India: the BJP is the stupid party and their opponents are evil
32:00 For someone associated w/ the Jaipur Dialogues, Vibhuti Jha is singularly unimpressive. He knows everything that RS has told him, since he’s heard it discussed on other JD shows, and yet he’s acting like peace is something achievable w/ this cult?
49:00 Good for him for bringing up halal economics as well as the spitting issue. This thing needs to be made clearer so that businesses don’t just offer a one-size-fits-all halal solution to everybody – muslim and non-muslim alike. And while the spitting discussion was about the food, the most recent spitting event happened at a salon in India. There are 2 views about the spitting – one that it symbolizes their contempt for non-muslims, but the other one is that muslims think that their spit is sacred, and that they’re doing everyone – non-muslim or muslim – a favor by spitting on food, on people or anything else
55:00 In India, not only have muslims prospered, but recently, they’ve been making inroads and settling down in 2 of the 7 major most sacred Hindu cities – Haridwar and Dwarka, and this too both in BJP ruled states. Yet pro-muslim supporters in India denounce the BJP as fascist. At this rate, only a real neo-Nazi party can save India
56:00 His sports analogies are just horrible: he can’t figure out which sport he wants to use
58:00 It would be nice to see more discussion about islam/jihad on platforms like Gettr and Gab. I did try Koo, but it requires one’s phone#. Rumble is growing b’cos aside from YouTube, it seems to be the only game in town (even though there is Bitchute and some other platforms). Whereas opposite Facebook/Twitter are Gettr, Gab and Parler
One thing these platforms need to realize is that anonymity is something that’s needed – particularly in this cancel culture era, as well as due to the possibility of threats to people who dare confront islam or jihadis. So please don’t demand our real identity, and brand us cowards if and when we decline to provide it
59:00 Reason nobody speaks about women’s rights in the context of islam is that when one has so many special interests, there has to be a pecking order, and islam is right on top of it. It trumps women’s rights, gay rights, rights of religious minorities like Jews, Hindus, Buddhists,…, animal rights, and what have you. No point trying to get Leftists to take our side against islam even on all (let alone any) of these issues
1:00:00 I’m glad Jha brought up the issue of Dubai and MbS. On MbS, I do think that he is genuine about wanting to reform KSA, and I agree w/ RS that he has a tough, uphill task. Although given how obedient the Saudis are, there is some chance of success that he might have once he becomes king. One thing, though – he is trying to get Saudi Arabia off its oil dependence, and has done some things pretty hostile to islam, like the ban on the tabhlighi jamaat, ending funding of foreign dawa activity and so on
I also agree w/ RS that Dubai is cosmetic, and that the people of that country are still pretty barbaric. There are things that Dubai has, such as a pork shop that can cater only to non-muslims, and recently, they did open up a Hindu temple where one of the emirs was a major guest. But I’ll believe that the Emirates is reforming when they start granting citizenship to non-muslim residents of their country who have no inclination to leave. Also, Jha is wrong when he claims that the Emirates does not have oil: they are one of the 3 GCC members of OPEC – the other 2 being Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, and produces 3 million barrels a day
All in all, a good discussion. Waiting for the next interviews RS has w/ both Vibhuti Jha as well as David Wood
Vibhuti Jha says
Thank you for your detailed feedback! Appreciate it.
Infidel says
I had no idea that you read this website! I watch Jaipur Dialogues as well!
gravenimage says
Good analysis.
peter says
My simple answer is No . It is not even remotely compatible with democracy in any form or shape . Islam is antithetical to democracy , human values or anything that is civilized.
sidney penny says
At 42.45 ” I say one law for everyone”
Not in India-( in relation to civil matters)
“India finds itself torn in the debate around the Uniform Civil Code (UCC). The UCC is a proposal to formulate and implement secular personal laws which would apply equally to all citizens, regardless of their religion. You have already guessed which community largely opposes it.
https://www.weeklyblitz.net/oped/muslims-in-india-play-double-standard/?fbclid=IwAR1MkhlfP_FFCHqRwlI4fz6NlKi7a2eTxMnkG-vBsCDAerddRGUkpP8Cx9o
PRCS says
Thanks for the link.
“Many Muslims in India claim to be citizens with equal rights, but when the time for the institutionalization of equality presents itself, they take steps against equality and rush to protect their privilege.”
Of course, that mentality is not limited to India.
OLD GUY says
Islam is basically a dictatorship hideing behind a religious mask. Not any difference from nazi’s.
Infidel says
If only it were
Infidel says
Sorry, I originally read it as ‘India is basically a dictatorship…’ Just ignore or delete this comment
Walter Sieruk says
During this video interview the term “political Islam” was used, twice. Therefore it needs to be made clear as to why that Western term is nonsensical and redundant. As explained by two statements.
First, as for that term being nonsensical one devout Muslim who, truly, proclaimed “Islam is Islam.”
Second. as for that term being redundant, has been well explained by none other Ayatollah Khomeini who declared” All Islam is politics.” [1]
[1] THE ISLAM IN ISLAMIC TERRORISM by Ibn Warraq page 332