More fruitless and self-defeating dialogue. Remarks from me below.
“Priests Convene Ramadan Prayer In Churches,” by Jules Gomes, ChurchMilitant.com, May 11, 2022:
MUMBAI, India (ChurchMilitant.com) – Faithful Catholics are slamming the archbishop of Bombay after churches hosted Ramadan meals and prayers and rang church bells to usher in the breaking of the Islamic fast.
Hindus ridiculed Catholics on social media as Muslims prayed with their backsides offensively thrust up towards the crucifix and the Blessed Sacrament in a church led by the Jesuits of the Bombay province.
One-Way Street
“Will the Muslim community reciprocate the gesture and allow Catholics to offer Holy Mass in their mosques?” Blaise Gomes, with the Association of Concerned Catholics, asked Bombay’s archbishop, Cdl. Oswald Gracias, in a strongly worded letter on Saturday….
Gracias responded to Gomes, categorically stating that Gracias had “not given permission for the use of church premises for religious ceremonies of other religions” and there may have been “some misunderstanding.”
However, en route to Rome, Cdl. Gracias responded to Church Militant’s request for comment, defending the decision to host iftar meals in churches, since “the iftar meal is a fellowship meal.” The cardinal, who is a member of Pope Francis’ inner circle of nine consultors, elaborated:
Inter-religious dialogue is one of the priorities of the Catholic Church, and you are aware that there have been many contacts between the Catholic Church and people of other religions. Pope Francis, on his visit to Abu Dhabi, gave us a good example of how God’s kingdom can be spread. All religions should work unitedly for peace.
World-renowned historian Robert Spencer, whose research focuses on Islam, explained to Church Militant that the iftar dinner is a ritual meal loaded with religious significance and that reducing it to a mere fellowship dinner is considered demeaning to Islam.
By participating in iftars, Christians are helping celebrate an imperative to conquer and subjugate them.
Spencer, author of 23 books on the Muslim faith and the Middle East, emphasized:
Iftar is not just a meal. It is the breaking of the Ramadan fast every evening. Ramadan is a month devoted to intensifying one’s observance of Islam and growing more righteous. In Islam, the most righteous deed of all is jihad, which most prominently involves warfare against — and the subjugation of — non-Muslims.
The scholar, who published his bestseller The Critical Qur’an: Explained from Key Islamic Commentaries and Contemporary Historical Research this month, warned:
Cardinal Gracias, like all those who pursue this chimerical “dialogue,” is naive. They’re falling for what many Muslims have noted is an instrument of Islamic proselytizing and an attempt to limit criticism of jihad violence and Sharia oppression, rather than a genuine give and take. By participating in iftars, Christians are helping celebrate an imperative to conquer and subjugate them.
For all their iftar meals, Catholic hierarchs and other proponents of “dialogue” have never saved a single Christian from being persecuted or a single church from being destroyed by Islamic jihadis. Cardinal Gracias should ponder that and study why it might be so. But he won’t.
While the Mumbai-based parishes of Our Lady of Lourdes, Orlem and St. Peter’s Church, Bandra (a Jesuit parish), hosted iftar meals and prayers on church and school property, Holy Cross Church in Nashik invited Muslims into the church to pray and break the Islamic fast.
Why is a Catholic priest offering namaz?
Jesuit parish priest Fr. Vincy D’Mello joined the Islamic prayers and told the worshippers “they could perform the namaz (Islamic prayer) in the church itself in the direction where there was no deity,” Ajmal Khan, secretary of Aims Charitable Trust, said.
Fitna says
One religion says be nice to others.
The other religion says to kill and conquer.
Which religion is going to survive?
You’re absolute morons if you think you can “kill them with kindness.”
This is why Christians and other non-Muslims are being murdered every day by Muslims because people refuse to accept reality…that Islam is worse than Nazism and needs to be dealt with accordingly.
Also when you think your God will magically take care of everything and there’s a “plan” then why fight back? You get martyred, go to heaven.
Or some of them think God will save them but he doesn’t then it’s too late to fight back. Same end result, Islam keeps winning by eradicating non-Muslims.
mortimer says
Do these church leaders have a single CLUE about the true meaning of RAMADAN as declared by Islam’s TOP AUTHORITIES?
Islam’s TOP AUTHORITIES explain the DEADLY MEANING of Ramadan … out of fasting there flows the violence of jihad …
-“The month of Ramadan is a month of HOLY WAR and DEATH for Allah. It is a month for FIGHTING the enemies of Allah and God’s messenger, the Jews and their American facilitators.” – Qaedat Al-Jihad terror organization
– Ramadan “is and has been throughout Muslim history, the month in which Allah helps the Muslims to prevail over their enemies and grants them mighty victories.” (-former Mufti of Egypt ‘Ali Gum’a )
-“The commandment of jihad, which is of SUPREME importance at all times, assumes even GREATER importance during this holy month and gains precedence over all other commandments.” (-former Mufti of Egypt ‘Ali Gum’a)
-“There is a close CONNECTION between fasting and JIHAD, for the former (fasting) is jihad of the soul, aimed at restraining it from sinning, while the second is JIHAD AGAINST THE ENEMIES, aimed at preventing them from spreading “corruption” in the world. Moreover, fasting is a powerful means to PREPARE the soul FOR JIHAD, i.e., to school oneself in obedience, devotion, resilience and endurance, which are the virtues of the jihad fighter that allow him to vanquish his enemies. On Ramadan Allah grants fighters special strength, despite – or rather by virtue of – their fasting. (-former Mufti of Egypt ‘Ali Gum’a)
-“Those who gain MARTYRDOM during the month of Ramadan are DOUBLY REWARDED in Paradise.” (former Mufti of Egypt ‘Ali Gum’a)
-“During Ramadan, the Muslims are especially beholden to protect the sanctity of the Muslim holy places and keep the infidels from “desecrating” or threatening them.” (- former Mufti of Egypt ‘Ali Gum’a)
-“Jihad fighters everywhere! This month of jihad has come with all its blessings and with the double reward [granted to jihad fighters] in its course. Come closer to Allah through the BLOOD OF INFIDELS, do not relent in spilling [their blood], and through [this blood] wipe out humiliation and disgrace from among your Muslim nation! Make this month like the month of the Battle of Badr, the conquest of Mecca, [the conquest] of Shaqhab, and other Islamic victories.” (-Sa’ud Bin Hamoud Al-Utaybi of Al Qaeda)
-““Ramadan is the pious month of ‘Jihad-o-Qital’ (Jihad and killing). Those who attain martyrdom while waging Jihad, doors of heaven remain open.” — Maulana Bashir Ahmad Khaki
–“Men of jihad, this is your festive season, since jihad in a state of fasting has a particularly delectable taste for the believers, especially [when together] with the dignity of the month of Ramadan. How wonderful it is to delight in the breaking of the fast and to TASTE THE KILLING of infidels, to DELIGHT in the sound of the WAILING of tyrants and lowly degenerates, and [in the sound of] the voices of the condemnations on the part of EVIL PEOPLE and their collaborators broadcast on the TV stations… condemning the DEATH of their INFIDEL masters and their servants. [Ramadan] is a MONTH of FIGHTING, of self-sacrifice, of military VICTORIES, of the victory of religion and the HUMILIATION of the kafirs (infidels). The most courageous and finest forays took place in Ramadan: in the battle of salvation – the Battle of Badr – the HEADS of the bravest infidels from the tribe of Quraysh were SENT FLYING, and Allah gave His Prophet and the believers VICTORY [aiding them with] an army of His Hosts…” (Sheikh Aamer Bin Abdallah Al-Aamer)
-Ramadan “… is a month in which the marketplace of JIHAD opens. So seize this blessed month, oh servants of Allah, to perform acts of obedience to Allah, for your REWARD (for killing and martyrdom) is doubled in this month…” (- Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of ISIS)
Fitna says
Well said Mortimer, most non-Muslims are completely clueless about the true teachings of Islam and the goal of Muslims to wage war against us.
The problem is that every human is walking around thinking they know the truth and the right answers to solve the world’s problems.
Muslims think the answer is to spread Islam everywhere and convert the non-Muslims. Christians think they need to preach to others about Jesus/God to ‘save’ them.
Leftists think they can turn Muslims into liberals like them if they throw money and free stuff at them, they believe Muslims can be bribed away from their death cult.
What all these people fail to understand is that brainwashing is very deep and powerful. Even if you wanted to attempt to de-program Muslims, with most of them it would take years if it was even possible….but the failure of deradicalization programs shows that it’s a futile exercise.
We need to teach people (esp. our fellow non-Muslims) to treat reality as it is, not how we’d like it to be.
Observe Muslims behavior, accept that you and I can never change them. Then examine their teachings and if they incite hate/violence against us and if Muslims are shown to act on these teachings then that’s all one needs to know about them.
It’s at that point any rational person would realize that living in peace with Muslims (unless they’re a tiny group) is impossible and that they have to go, and leave all options on the table.
It’s pretty common sense, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out and I’m sure it’s obvious to most people on this board.
The so called ‘moderate Muslims’ will never save us, building inter-faith bridges will not work, nor will bribery. People need to wake up and realize this is a foreign enemy on our soil, and to deal with accordingly.
Savvy Kafir says
I agree, Fitna. It’s up to us to save ourselves and Western Civilization. And that can only be done by ridding the West of Muslims.
A slow-burning World War 3 has been raging for decades now, but so far, only one side is treating it as such. We all need to see this for the existential struggle it is.
Fitna says
Thanks Savvy and concurred….this has been a one-sided war and the key problem is that we fail to realize or accept that Islam is at war against us and we are losing, because we don’t want to believe they are our enemy.
What’s more scary and dangerous is that a segment of our population, mostly Leftists have chosen to side with the enemy and have allowed Muslims to infiltrate the highest levels of govt which would’ve never been possible if not for traitors and fools opening the doors for them.
Even worse are the politicians who allowed Muslims to flood the West by the millions, pretty much guaranteeing a future conflict or civil war, if these people are not expelled. They’re all making exactly the wrong moves and not learning from their mistakes.
What’s needed is a mass anti-Islam movement and for people to start running for gov’t positions, get power and then use that power to remove Islam and Muslims or vote for politicians who are enlightened.
somehistory says
“What **fellowship** do righteousness and lawlessness have?”
“You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons.”
Isaiah 65:11
But you who forsake the LORD, who forget My holy mountain, who set a table for Fortune and fill bowls of mixed wine for Destiny,
Jeremiah 44:8
Why are you provoking Me to anger by the work of your hands by burning incense to other gods in the land of Egypt, where you have gone to reside? As a result, you will be cut off and will become an object of cursing and reproach among all the nations of the earth.
2 Corinthians 6:15
What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/10-21.htm
Wellington says
Guess mosques won’t be hosting Easter meals and prayers. Count on it.
It’s always a one-way street with Islam, which is dispositive of its ungraciousness, its selfishness, its intolerance, its thinly-veiled threats if Islamic “standards” are not met, and its many overall control-freak aspects.
Same old same old from Islam, it will never change, but the chief shame here rests upon dhimmis from other religions (or no religion) who keep sucking up to this monstrous excuse for a religion.
It’s all madness of course, but then mankind as a whole is mad. Islam’s very survival to this day helps prove this. So do a Hell of a lot of obedient dhimmis.
Fitna says
Agreed Wellington, certainly it should be obvious by know at least to those of us who are informed that there is no solution to Islam except expulsion, isolation and elimination.
I feel as if we should be wearing full body armor whenever dealing with Muslims, esp. in a mob. That’s the only way to ensure your safety.
Ofc in the West, they’re still a small minority 5-10%, but once they grow much larger as a group, then what we see happening to non-Muslims in 3rd world countries will happen to us.
Only a large mass anti-Islam movement or smart politicians can stop this disease from killing us.
Black Sabbath says
It is never wise to invite devil into your house. Catholics should be going to mosques and performing exorcism. Make it live, so people around the globe can see.
gravenimage says
India: Catholic churches host Ramadan meals and prayers, ring bells to herald breaking of the fast
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Utterly foolish dhimmitude–and in a country that is not even part of Dar-al-Islam. Robert Spencer notes why this is so unwise.
And any place of worship where Islamic prayers are offered is *deemed a Mosque*. Muslims may not impose this–yet–but the time may come.
And this is what happened to a Hindu leader in neighboring Bangladesh who tried just this kind of appeasement:
“Bangladesh: Muslims tie Hindu leader to a tree and beat him”
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2022/05/bangladesh-muslims-tie-hindu-leader-to-a-tree-and-beat-him
Infidel says
That’s one reason why Hindus in India are increasingly hostile to Christians: they identify w/ muslims and even ally w/ them. Most of the conversion activities have targeted Hindus, but none targeting muslims. It feeds into the narrative that both are ‘Abrahamics’ who wanna destroy Dharmaic religions, and have already succeeded to a considerable extent in Andhra and Punjab
I’d love that to change, given that muslims are hostile to Christians as well. But dhimmi Christians and non-dhimmi Hindus can’t be allies
somehistory says
It’s really a horrible thing, because True Christians do not mix with mozlums; True Christians, those people who actually know Christ and do as closely as they can what He did, recognize that is s not pleasing to Him.
but those claiming to be Christian make such glaring errors in judgment and the outside world does not realize that this is not Christianity. Those who take “leader” roles, priests, pastors, pope, are leading people astray from Christ, not to Him.
Black Sabbath says
These Indian Catholics are appeasing moslems so they will murder Hindus first, and tleave them for last. If moslems are coming to Catholic church, they should participate in the Catholic mass. It is an act of cowardice by Indian Catholics who don’t have balls to stand up against islam. They should learn from Polish Catholics or Angolan Catholics how to fend off moslems.
Barbara says
When Hitler first started his purges, he started with physically and mentally challenged. When no one said anything, he moved to the next and the next etc..
This pattern is starting and will end badly.
gravenimage says
This is absurd, dhimmitude is terribly unwise, but the claim that this is intended to urge Jihadists to murder others is quite false.
Devasur says
Correct, along with Christian organizations who ally with Muslim orgs to demonize hindus.
They are just helping Muslims to create another Pakistan. With the support of western Christians this has been going on for years. To hindus/buddhists Christians and Muslims are the same.
gravenimage says
This is absurd. Hindus as well as Christians often foolishly engage in appeasing Muslims. This doesn’t work no matter who is trying it.
JCA Reid ( says
Total & complete Hypocrites, the lot of them! This ‘Ramadan’ business, the Christian equivalent would be: for the entire month of December, Christians having a FULL Christmas dinner before sunrise & then, immediately after sundown, have another WITH even more extra trimmings!
As Churchill said, “An Appeaser is the one who hopes the crocodile will eat him last.”
This is Jihad by Stealth, Pure & Simple.
notnolib says
Allahu’s Snackbar has the most amazing fast breaking pulled pork sammies! During Ramadamadingdong, they offer buy one get one half price for your fast breaking needs. They’ve been maintaining their pricing despite massive inflation. Their sandwiches are fit for a prophet, and to die for!!
When I think of Ramadamadingdong, I think of Allahu’s Snackbar.